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7 tests per year is still more than most teams play currently lol what a post.
this Indian team will be remembered for home dominance from the performances and result so far - of-course it can change because they are still number 1 and may stay there for well a-tleast until Australia become strong again.
England are a good team but doesn't have a big home advantage like India. I wont talk about any other team in this as Test cricket has now become Big 3 sport.
England are a good team but doesn't have a big home advantage like India. I wont talk about any other team in this as Test cricket has now become Big 3 sport.
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I also watched him in 90's he was great but in 2000's he was more like technical player.
From 1990's Till 2002 he was an attacking player.
Most of the people watched him after 2000 that's the reason they rate dravid,laxman over him.
lol, not enough when you compare it with other test playing nations,
1) Eng: 10.8 tests per year,
2) Aus: 10.7 tests per year,
3) SA: 9.3 tests per year,
4) WI: 8.1 tests per year,
5) NZ: 8.1 tests per year,
6) Pak: 7.6 tests per year.
Unlike in Bradman's case when no test playing nation played any tests during WW-II, at least 6 teams played more tests per year than India which clearly hampered Tendulkar's test tons' making....
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lol, who told you technical players aren't that good? If thats the case, how could you rate Dravid?
Who are those most people who rate Dravid/VVS over him?
lol, you don't know much about test cricket then....Nowadays teams play lesser no. of tests because of advent of T20s and shorter attention span of millennials which wasn't the case in '90s where tests & ODIs were still the primary formats...
Cricket was all about tests & ODIs during that decade. Now it is more about T20s & then tests/ODIs.
lol, nice way to hide your own deficiencies and blame it all on big-3! Not that I expected anything better from you.
England doesn't have a big home advantage, lol where do you get these gems from? Ever thought may be they aren't good enough to take advantage of their home conditions, no?
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What iam saying is he didn't dominate the series dravid did it in 2000's in England, Australia, Pakistan even though at that time bowling attacks were not that good as compared to 90's .
And how you can say that people watched him after 2000's Tendulkar was better than Dravid,yes they will say as based on his overall carrer but not in 2000's.
I understand your point about T20s not affecting test cricket back in 90s but still 7 tests a year sounds like a lot in current situation.
Which deficiencies you are talking about? Test cricket now is just a luxury of the rich boards I dont have any problems in that. Same as Golf which a sport for the rich also.
T20 cricket is the way to go where cricket is less popular and boards are poor. Its all business if you cant get paid playing something you are not going to play it only 3 countries are able to pay good money to their test cricketers and going forward don't be surprised if those 3 teams have the best side.
We should stop sugar coating things and say test cricket is still relevant cricket was never a big world sport and was played in single digit countries and with poor policies of some boards etc and most of all advent of T20 cricket Test cricket is becoming even more of an exclusive club.
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England are a good side in my opinion and they are reliant on overhead condition rather than the pitch for home advantage something not in their control so they cant doctor the pitches as much.
Dravid dominated those series in '00s because there were no Warne, McGrath, Donald, Pollock etc to torment him. Dravid didn't have much of a game against ATG bowlers except on some occasions while he made hay against lesser bowlers, something which you could not accuse Tendulkar of...
Also Tendulkar was beset with a lot of career threatening injuries to his body in '00s after 11+ years of cricket, something which you can't say about Dravid who was virtually injury free during '00s.
lol, you are quite naive if you think Eng is just reliant on overhead conditions for its share of home advantage.
Doctoring the pitches? So you imply India doctors its pitches?
India may or may not Doctor the pitch.. Their record is mix on some occasions they do and on some occasion they don't. If the pitch is turning from day one than its definitely doctored so that's my definition of doctoring a pitch. But that for another day.
In England bowl doesn't do match unless the condition overheads are favorable not matter what you do with the pitch. This is a FACT!
Test cricket seems luxury to you because 'lesser' boards are not able to sell test cricket to the spectators and are greedy for moolah which way it comes. In India for example, lot of people still see test cricket in our regular test centres at least because they still love this format of the game. Nothing to do with BCCI's net worth, lol....
lol, that proves my point that Eng isn't good enough then. There are a lot of Indian pitches which are normal in a sense that they didn't aid spin that much but India still came out victorious, cue last SA series. All 3 pitches were normal test pitches, and still SA got thrashed in all 3 tests.
The crickets have to be paid good money - When they are paid more or have better chances of getting paid more by playing T20 then that's what they will choose to do! WI are a big example the poorest board and others outside the BIG 3 are not far behind.
Normal fans are not in discussion at the moment - unless you are arguing they should pay more to watch test cricket so board can pay test players and develop them? India is the most craziest cricket nation and its only through their failure in my eyes they are not undisputed number 1 cricket team in the world in all formats so its not fluke they still have some fans interested in watching test cricket.
Even in India ODIs and T20s are full but not test cricket.
This is simple science if the pitch is turning from Day 1 its under-prepared no excuses for international pitch in India where there are enough resources for it to be under prepared.
Normal pitches for you maybe not the visiting sides - Plus this was a week SA side anyway last time SA came with better side we all know what India did. Also India dont have any fixed centers for test cricket like other teams a clear advantage for them which Kholi acknowledged himself.
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nope. test cricket is always number 1. Always. then odi and t20. Cricketers play far more cricket than they ever did in the past.
test cricket isn't dying. A couple of teams are just far too good for the rest of them. England are still strong at home.
New zeland are strong at home.
lol, anything under the sun to demean Indian victories, carry on with this victim mentality, we'll keep our no.1 rank....
So a spinner could spin it only on pitches which are under prepared.....Well, list of your excuses for India's success just got bigger....
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so south africa doesn't do the same when india tours???
australua doesn't doctor their pitches for their fast bowlers. funnily enough they tried that and still got wrecked cause the current ndian bowling attack is world class and far superior.
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lol ask an Pakistani fan in Pakistan. They will always say test cricket is the most coveted format. PCB agrees too. Hence the changes to the domestic setup. West Indies are just mediocre in every format. They don't have the calibre of players to win vs strong sides in tests. test cricket players get paid more on average than odi and t20 based on annual income/wages per game. However t20 franchise leagues like ipl pays alot of money for short tournaments hence many west Indians prefer to play t20. Australia pays the highest wages to test cricket players not t20. Same applies to new zeland and south africa.
I think you two have come here to glorify Indian victories so no point arguing! I am going to stop. Let me tell you if the spinners are Indian they can spin it on ICE even though their records away are among the poorest for spinners historically.
And yes Pakistan care about test cricket so much they never play more than 3 test match series against anyone not even India when they used to play them.
NZ care about test cricket so much they never play more than 2 test matches against anyone.
Oh yes but this will not glorify Indian being NO.1 oh wow sorry all teams care about so much about test cricket that they refuse to play T20 cricket now stop trying so hard nobody can change reality.
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uh india plays 3 tests against most teams especially crap teams. Only teams india plays more than 3 tests are against Aussies and England. Pakistan lack talent to compete in tests hence why they focus more on t20. Not india problem they are struggling. Not India's fault they lack the domestic setup to compete with the top nations.
I for one still rate pakistan however in tests. They are still reasonably strong at home but most of players from pakistan lack the temperament, skills, physical attributes/fitness to compete against top teams in test cricket. That's the reality.
In saying that I still.back pakistam to destroy England in England. Reverse swing kings. Unpredictable team but never will be consistent.
From my memory, Dravid used to be quite good against those bowlers that you have named. But I haven't looked into specific piece of statistics.
He was as good overseas as at home at least as per his batting average.
Pakistan until they cared was good in tests, cricket is not just India yet (Although soon it will be) but dont forget Pakistan lead head to head against India in tests! But things have changed T20 has come in and since then they have stopped caring not the Board but players have shifted their focus and thats just natural they want money.
We don't need to glorify our no.1 rank, the ones who matter already know what a great achievement it is to stay no.1 for 3+ yrs. What some nobodies think about it, doesn't matter an iota. So keep your excuses with you.
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just like in 80s when india dint care much about tests. their domestic system wasn't as strong. even in 90s it wasn't strong. since 2000 things have changed and that's why they are number 1. As soon as india started taking fitness seriously, india became a world class side. It works both ways.
Like I said before, test cricket actually pays the most in terms of wages. So if anything players should be vying for a spot in the test side. Pakistan at the moment lack the players to compete in tests. Fitness is poor. Once they develop their domestic system further then we will see a strong pakistan again. Talents coming through at the moment aren't good enough.
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Dravid failed in Australia during 1999 tour. But he got out to warnie more often than others. He has a pretty game to do well in Australia. When it comes to playing swing bowling he is one of the ATG batsman. Two of the most testing series for Sachin/Dravid were 1997 tour of SA and 2003 tour of NZ. On both times conditions were actually genuinely challenging. Pitches were overly friendly to bowlers.
Ball was flyign around, zipping around, bouncing too. When it comes to challenging, tough conditions Dravid is clearly better. On true wickets against good bowling Sachin is better.
1996/2002 series stats for India
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actually pakistani fans are reasonable. Better than many so called india fans here who actually love to be a masochist for some ungodly reason. Perhaps to cater to the Pakistani community and ofcourse to be pernenially submissive towards the English people. They love to belittle Virat's incredible achievements because they have their personal favourites who are like gods to them. Only in india though. It's really hard for them to accept the truth because truth is bitter. They live in a delusional nostalgic world where past always seem to be better.
That's why I respect Pakistani fans. They actually stick by their team. They are united. Far better than many of the pathetic indians here on PP.
As I said, a few innings here and there and nothing else.
148 and 84 against Donald at Jo'burg in '97,
180 against McWarne at Eden Gardens in '01.
He was a complete dud in '96 SA series against Donald, averaged 29.
He was complete dud against Aus in Aus in '99 where Tendulkar waged a lone battle on our behalf, Dravid averaged 15 in that series.
Even in that '01 series against Australia, he was completely dud against McWarne & Dizzy, save that 180 in that VVS test.
He was almost a failure in that series against Pakistan in '99, averaged 31.
He averaged 23 against Donald & co in that '00 series.
He averaged 25 in our return series against SA in SA in '01.
He averaged 27 in our series against McWarne & Dizzy in '04.
He averaged 20 in our series in SA in '06.
He averaged 25 in England in '07.
He averaged 17 in '08 against Aus.
He averaged 20 in SA in '10.
In his last series in Aus in '12, he averaged 24.
Besides these stats, I think I have seen enough of Dravid's entire career to form this opinion about him. I have nothing against Dravid', he is easily a test great, a great humble man, but would always pick Tendulkar over him, in all conditions.
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Wrong - only time Pakistan test side will become strong now is if their economic situation improves and they have money to throw into test cricket. T20 is where the money is now a days Pakistan domestic players just want to do enough to get contract in England club side who play 40 over cricket to make money lol.
Then stop glorifying simple. Now you are angry because you have been exposed.
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well I have faith in misbah. let's see. Don't forget pakistan were briefly number 1 under misbah. It's a transition phase. You don't create a misbah, younis khan, yohana overnight. it takes time. babar haris and imam plus shan masood are no joke.
Team is still quality and I still believe all of them care about red ball cricket. babar just said recently that test cricket is the toughest format and he wants to excel there as it creates legends.
Why you keep mixing things up? I never argued test cricket is the best form of cricket specially if you are judging players ability - but its the least watched and attended form of cricket and there fore not self sustaining with the advent of T20 cricket. So the poorer players have decided to concentrate on LOI cricket to make the most out of their careers and I am fine with that all of us have to make a living.
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Lol at these excuses. 
If your team is awful in any format , just say "no one cares about that format" and make yourselves sleep better at night.
Even South Africans should adopt this mentality. Just say " No-one cares about the world cup as it's played only once every four years, which is far lesser than bilaterals. So that means teams care more about bilaterals than world cups."
Brilliant logic.
If your team is awful in any format , just say "no one cares about that format" and make yourselves sleep better at night.
Even South Africans should adopt this mentality. Just say " No-one cares about the world cup as it's played only once every four years, which is far lesser than bilaterals. So that means teams care more about bilaterals than world cups."
Brilliant logic.
We didn't care about our cricket except for '83 and from '00 onwards. And results are there for everyone to see.
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As expected from Tendulkar fans giving that injury excuse even after he was injury free he didn't dominated the series that's the reason he never reached 900 points.
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it's always been the least watched form of cricket yet only the very best are good at it.
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that's true. india never cared about test or bilaterals in 90s. when they started caring post 2000 everything changed. They became a powerhouse due to strong domestic structure.
if anything the advent of lpl improved players chances of getting into first class cricket.
Guys, India was ranked #1 in Tests from April 1973 to June 1974.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship#Historical_rankings
The 1983 WC got a lot of publicity, but Indian Test team had been competitive (thanks to greats like Gavaskar, Mankad, Chandrasekhar, Bedi etc.) much before that.
Being ranked #1 in Tests and away series victories in the WI and England are very big deals.
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We all know India has been always been a decent test side. But people in India don't really care much abotu tests, that's why they don't mention the ranking in 1970s. It's not a big deal to most people.
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When exactly did Dravid reach 900 points?
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Dravid was in peak only from 2002-2006 after that he struggled except 2011 England series.
He has atleast dominated the series during that time.
What? Career threatening injuries are excuses for you? Ok, carry on.
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So why couldn’t he reach 900 points during that period?
So why Tendulkar couldn't reach 900 points during 1990's?
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Injures are part of the game,so even after injures why didn't he dominate the series?
This means you don't have much knowledge of Tendulkar of '00s.
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The summary of teams that have held the highest rating since 1952 in tests:-
Country Total months Highest rating
Australia- 326 months 143
West Indies- 235 months 135
England- 106 months 125
India- 83 months 130
South Africa- 61 months 135
Pakistan- 4 months 111
Country Total months Highest rating
Australia- 326 months 143
West Indies- 235 months 135
England- 106 months 125
India- 83 months 130
South Africa- 61 months 135
Pakistan- 4 months 111
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yes i have.
Tendulkar of 1990 was better to watch and was better than Tendulkar of 2000.
Unfortunately he didn't get to many matches during that time.
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anything before the 80s shouldn't even count in my opinion as there were only 3 competitive teams at the time. weaker era etc.
Post 80s we can get a better idea about the calibre of teams as it was more competitive due to more teams being involved.
india are about to break graeme Smith's record soon. he held the record in 2 separate phases anyway so technically virat already eclipsed his reign as number 1 test team. Phenomenal virat.
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I never brought the 900 points criteria, you did.
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When was England no.1 for such a long time?
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India is not number one in tests and has not been number one since 2016.
You can’t claim to be a true number one of you refuse to play a top 6 team, home and away.
That’s pretty obvious.
So by all means should out loud this achievement but don’t compare it to previous eras..
You can’t claim to be a true number one of you refuse to play a top 6 team, home and away.
That’s pretty obvious.
So by all means should out loud this achievement but don’t compare it to previous eras..
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Pakistan is not a top 6 team, so your post is invalid.
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lol. I want to see this happen actually. Will be competitive than what people think.
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Don’t think so. Pakistan batsman can not play spin for a start which would make the series one sided.
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Barring Pujara, Indians are not great either.
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Pakistan are at 7 and may fall to 8 by December. So India have played the top 6 teams.
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Back in dinosaurs era. Since '80s, they would hardly be having even 20 months.
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Top 5 test teams since 80s:-
80s decade:- WI, Pak, NZ, Aus, Eng
90s:- Aus, SA, Pak, WI, Ind
00s:- Aus, SA, Ind, Eng, SL
10s:- Ind, SA, Eng, Aus, NZ
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Don’t be stupid
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Missing the point though aren’t we?
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This thread should be closed down to retain credibility
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Arrh i’m So sorry I didn’t read the thread title correctly...
What an idiot I am thinking we were number one in 2016 and having a no loss record in the UAE under Misbah..
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yes for a grand total of 1 week.
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Doesn’t matter if it was for one hour.
Disproved most of you here and shown you up for either being liars or completely ignorant.
This thread is stupid and you should have the intelligence to know why....
Mostly before 1971 (75 months).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship#Historical_rankings
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india ahead of SA in 2000 because india were ranked no 1 from 2008-2011.
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what a joke rofl.
Ranking teams by the number of months they held on the #1 spot we have:
1) Aus was #1 for 95 months starting 2001
2) WI #1 for 89 months starting 1981
3) Aus 60 months starting 1963
4) WI 60 months starting 1968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship
India is currently at 37 months. Two more years of #1, and we can claim to be the 3rd best ever. 2 more years is quite doable given that we have many home series coming up.
Normally teams lose their #1 ranking when they play away series but this Indian team did well enough (even though losing most tosses) abroad to retain the #1 ranking.
Would be terrific if we could hold on to the #1 spot for 5 more years as that would make the current Indian team the all-time greatest.
1) Aus was #1 for 95 months starting 2001
2) WI #1 for 89 months starting 1981
3) Aus 60 months starting 1963
4) WI 60 months starting 1968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Test_Championship
India is currently at 37 months. Two more years of #1, and we can claim to be the 3rd best ever. 2 more years is quite doable given that we have many home series coming up.
Normally teams lose their #1 ranking when they play away series but this Indian team did well enough (even though losing most tosses) abroad to retain the #1 ranking.
Would be terrific if we could hold on to the #1 spot for 5 more years as that would make the current Indian team the all-time greatest.
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Let's see. I think 2 is doable. Longer than that would mean guys like rahane, pujara need to be replaced. India have a replacement for openers but is there any that can replace rahane in 2 years? vihari maybe. puji would be a difficult one to replace. Wonder who the backup is.
gill will be in. dube is looking great. I guess we shall see.
Shaw could turn out to be spectacular. Guy seems to have the mentality of a successful batsman, let's see if he shows enough character to recover from recent setbacks. I believe he will.
There is also Agarwal, who is good for at least 7 more years and has an average of 65 in Australia.
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1950s I assume? That's when they had Barrington, Laker, Bedser, Hutton and Trueman.
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Misbah retired 2.5 years ago. And since reaching no.1, Pakistan have been beaten continuously in tests. India don't need to prove themselves against a team that can't beat SL and NZ at home. That's like saying we don't deserve no.1 because we didn't beat Ireland home and away.
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Look you can look st this from a biased point of view or take a step back and see it for what it is.
India has screwed themselves up in terms rankings and that is a fact.
To give an example, Pakistan beating the Aussies in the UAE and destroying England in the UAE and not being beaten in England has an impact on the others nations results and hence position in the table.
India refusing to play Pakistan home and away is crucial and so the current position starting as back as 2016 is rubbish.
Doesn’t matter where Pakistan are in the standings, they have lost just two home series in the last 10 years, beaten Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka and have only lost to the Aussies and Safies away.
So drop this thread in the rubbish bin and get over it
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