India's forfeit vs England or NZ's forfeit/cancellation of tour vs Pak, which was worse?

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We have had two incidents in past 10 days where two different teams had to cancel/forfeit their matches. NZ actually cancelled their whole tour and ran away.

Which one out of these two in your opinion made sense and which one was worse for the host country? Keep in mind the financial losses and impact on future tours as well.

 

[Slim]

Has England cancelled Pakistan’s tour?

 

[Abu_Hamza]

There are reports that all England players are now available till the end of IPL.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Has England cancelled Pakistan’s tour?

India's forfeit vs England
NZ's cancellation of tour vs Pakistan

 

[Saurav]

both aren't forfeits as of now

 

[Nikhil_cric]

New Zealand's was much worse. They left PCB high ad dry and may have set a precedent for the likes of England and Australia. The broadcast rights for cricket in Pakistan were valued at $200 million assuming that these international tours would go ahead. This is looking less likely now and the rights look extremely over-valued now. Not to mention the effect it could have on PSL.

All of that based on a last minute "threat" that appeared out of nowhere and this was done unilaterally.

India had legit. issues with bubble fatigue, Covid scares and BCCI were in touch with ECB and tried to negotiate a postponement etc.

Not even comparable. NZC were completely unprofessional and did not communicate anything to the just board and their decision making was ad hoc.

 

[Ab Fan]

This is a tough question for our brothers across the border.

OP has just dropped a bomb here and put our Padosis in a very uncomfortable circumstance here as they can't pick either of the two options.

I appreciate that, my little brother. You are learning a lot from me.

 

[Itachi]

OP is playing very dirty. Putting someone through such dilemma is inhumane.

 

[IMMY69]

Great thread...

I was all ready for that fifth and final test match.
Day off work - check
Morning coffee ready - check
Breakfast ready on a plate and on my tray in front of the telly - check

The cancellation of that match was a shock to the system but dare I say it
New Zealand's last minute refusal to play feels a lot worse. For one thing the tour hadn't even kicked off and the historical importance of the series etc etc...

 

[iniqbal223]

these NZ players will be seen in IPL

 

[Devadwal]

these NZ players will be seen in IPL

Only one so this can't be any excuse.

 

[Third Man]

While I'd have liked neither to have happened, the NZ cancellation is the worst by far. The damage to ECB was minor compared to the blow NZ has dealt Pakistan. There are already some threads talking about a new neutral venue and some people are announcing the death of Pak cricket. While some of the rhetoric is highly emotion-driven and hyperbolic, it is a huge blow nonetheless.

If the ECB cancel as well, which is almost a certainty, we've regressed by at least three years in our goal towards normalizing international cricket in Pakistan. So, there you go.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Silly question

 

[Titan24]

Both were pretty poor however, if I have to pick one NZ’s is worse as India atleast had few positive cases in the coaching staff to somewhat support their narrative.

NZ on the other hand didn’t have anything to base it upon other then some secret/super natural intel which told them you have a risk if you go out to play however, no risk at all if similar state level security takes you to the airport which is possibly even further away.

 

[Technics 1210]

India’s forfeit was far worse simply because BCCI and the Indian players were caught lying through the skin of their teeth for the sake of the IPL. Worried about a virus when fully vaccinated and caught shopping in Manchester, while their head coach was trying to promote his book.

In NZ case, a security threat holds greater merit (assuming the threat was real).

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Great thread...

I was all ready for that fifth and final test match.
Day off work - check
Morning coffee ready - check
Breakfast ready on a plate and on my tray in front of the telly - check

The cancellation of that match was a shock to the system but dare I say it
New Zealand's last minute refusal to play feels a lot worse. For one thing the tour hadn't even kicked off and the historical importance of the series etc etc...

Agree. India's forfeit against England can be compared to a divorce which is still pending in the court and there are very good chances of it resolving within a year. I am calling it a divorce because they did play 4 tests before forfeiting the 5th one.

On the other hand NZ's forfeit/cancellation can be compared to a bridegroom running away on his wedding day because someone said something bad about his soon to be bride. Problem with this is that the girl will now find it difficult to move ahead in her life because her image was tarnished by that guy who ran away without giving any reason.

 

[JattMaula]

Agree. India's forfeit against England can be compared to a divorce which is still pending in the court and there are very good chances of it resolving within a year. I am calling it a divorce because they did play 4 tests before forfeiting the 5th one.

On the other hand NZ's forfeit/cancellation can be compared to a bridegroom running away on his wedding day because someone said something bad about his soon to be bride. Problem with this is that the girl will now find it difficult to move ahead in her life because her image was tarnished by that guy who ran away without giving any reason.

Society me log kya kahenge!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Society me log kya kahenge!

You can look at it anyway you want. That was just my imagination of this whole situation. NZ running away without giving any reason has set a bad precedent. Any team who doesn't want to tour other strong team can run away by giving this security excuse because not even NZ is safe from terrorists.

 

[saintgrace]

Society me log kya kahenge!

4 played vs none played.
which one would be bad?

 

[BaankeJi]

None of them was forfeit. So subject of the thread is factually wrong.

NZ cancellation was worse since it was due to security considerations and nobody knows specifics.

 

[Rajdeep]

Indian forefeit was worse bcoz they left for IPL. They were afraid that if they get covid, it will jeapordize the IPL. In reality, they could have stayed back and at max the test match could have been postponed by couple of days. I truely sympathise with ECB on this and blame the Indian team.

NZ on the other hand has genuine reason to leave since they were not safe in Pakistan. Life is more important than cricket. Jaan hai to jaahan hai as they say

 

[NishanKonar]

New Zealand cancellation is much worse. Bcoz it will probably lead to return of 2009 & back to UAE for Pakistan cricket

India vs England is more storm in the tea cup. Most likely will be settled amiably with rescheduled tour next summer

 

[Ab Fan]

Indian forefeit was worse bcoz they left for IPL. They were afraid that if they get covid, it will jeapordize the IPL. In reality, they could have stayed back and at max the test match could have been postponed by couple of days. I truely sympathise with ECB on this and blame the Indian team.

NZ on the other hand has genuine reason to leave since they were not safe in Pakistan. Life is more important than cricket. Jaan hai to jaahan hai as they say

Hmmm.. Money matters. If IPL jeopardizes, there is no second way of rescheduling it again and the stakes are obviously pretty huge.

But there were some reports stating that Kohli and co were the ones who initially suggested ECB to postpone the fifth test for two days more and then play. What about that?

 

[rockyboy2018]

At least share the reason with PCB and Pakistan government. The unilateral decision is totally uncalled for. Even in a street match, we do not abandon tournaments like this. It is so childish and unprofessional. Pakistan should not tour NZ in many years to come. Does not matter even if cricket is dead in Pakistan. Show some respect to your host country Pakistan is not some Afghanistan or Iraq. It is not about cricket at all. It is like a guest coming to your house and calling you that you are a bad host. Completely insulting.

 

[Slim]

New Zealand's was much worse. They left PCB high ad dry and may have set a precedent for the likes of England and Australia. The broadcast rights for cricket in Pakistan were valued at $200 million assuming that these international tours would go ahead. This is looking less likely now and the rights look extremely over-valued now. Not to mention the effect it could have on PSL.

All of that based on a last minute "threat" that appeared out of nowhere and this was done unilaterally.

India had legit. issues with bubble fatigue, Covid scares and BCCI were in touch with ECB and tried to negotiate a postponement etc.

Not even comparable. NZC were completely unprofessional and did not communicate anything to the just board and their decision making was ad hoc.

This, i agree with it mostly. Although i dont agree with what BCCI did either as it seemed more of a ploy to play IPL than a genuine covid concern.

 

[Hasan123]

these NZ players will be seen in IPL

You should do your research before making yourself look stupid. All the NZ players involved in the IPL are already in the UAE.

 

[Aman]

Only one so this can't be any excuse.

Is Finn Allen even going to get a game for RCB lol?

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

India hasn’t forfeited. Comparisons are premature, obviously contrived and easily seen through.

 

[Walawalkar]

India and New Zealand both ran away from the field with tail between their legs

Full support to England and Pakistan to beat them black n blue in T20 WC

 

[gani999]

We have had two incidents in past 10 days where two different teams had to cancel/forfeit their matches. NZ actually cancelled their whole tour and ran away.

Which one out of these two in your opinion made sense and which one was worse for the host country? Keep in mind the financial losses and impact on future tours as well.

What NZ did is a lot worse. There's no comparsion at all with what India did.

NZ has ensured that none of the major cricketing powers will ever tour Pakistan in the near future or at all. The ECB has already cancelled its tour, and one can forget about India or Australia ever touring Pakistan.
And this when the entire security setup in Pakistan was reviewed several times by NZ officials and everything was agreed upon. The NZ team had also spent about a week practising in Pakistan. Suddenly there is a 'heightened threat' that came in out of nowhere, and NZ decides to cancel the tournament without giving any reasons. It all looks very bizarre, to say the least.
I think this action of theirs will make other countries wary about hosting NZ in the future and this will affect NZ's cricket too.

 

[Romali_rotti]

We have had two incidents in past 10 days where two different teams had to cancel/forfeit their matches. NZ actually cancelled their whole tour and ran away.

Which one out of these two in your opinion made sense and which one was worse for the host country? Keep in mind the financial losses and impact on future tours as well.

India because it was purely based on IPL money and greed... IT was SO PATHETIC, I have not seen anything this PATHETIC in DECADES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..

NZ has every right to feel scared in Pakistan, the Sri Lankan players being shot at will always be in the back of any touring side and if they feel not secure they have every right to abandon the tour.

 

[JaDed]

As per Atherton What England did is worse ..

 

[OMB]

India and New Zealand both ran away from the field with tail between their legs

Full support to England and Pakistan to beat them black n blue in T20 WC

What New Zealand did has severely damaged Pakistan cricket.
Initally we all blamed their governement but then look at the messages from New Zealand players texting and tweeting about the "relief" as if this is equivalent to escaping from a war zone.

Indian didn't run away with their tail in between the legs. In fact it wagged so well with the 2-1 lead. Probably our tail was wagging because our tail batsmen were.

 

[shamaan]

England did worse they didn't cite threats they stated well being.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Another thread ends in tears.

India and Eng will play the decider next year in july.

 

[Ab Fan]

Humiliation for OP as the suggestion that India fortfieted has proved to be null and void.

Looking forward to another masterclass by the great Rishabh Pant in the series decider.