India's safe score mentality | Those 40 extra runs they can hit but don't

[Bhaijaan]

.. is what i noticed in this tournament so far. Didn't hurt them against Pakistan who are awful with the bat but were found regretting against Lankans. India is operating at 80% of its batting potential. They are capable of outbatting any team in the world if they readjust their safe score mentality.

Just looking at two great counter attacking batting displays in last two days from Bangladesh first and now Stokes/Morgan, it's a clear message to India they too need to go for it much earlier!

 

[Inswing]

The problem is with your openers both of them were out of form before CT , both of them were struggling and since now both of them have scored runs i think they will give a good start and that too at an impressive RR

 

[JaDed]

First 10 overs is ok,Its the 30-45 where they are very slow but tbh our middle order doesn't have the potential anymore.

 

[Syed1]

First 10 overs is ok,Its the 30-45 where they are very slow but tbh our middle order doesn't have the potential anymore.

India has the lowest run rate in the first 10 since the CWC 2015. Even below our tuk tuk bats.

 

[Executioner]

India is poor between 35-45 for no reason at all.

 

[JaDed]

India has the lowest run rate in the first 10 since the CWC 2015. Even below our tuk tuk bats.

True, but if you have noticed the last 3 matches including today,its tough in the first 10,new ball does a lot,becomes mindbogglingly flat after that and India doesn't take advantage.

 

[aniket1911]

My main worry is openers not acceleraeing even after getting set. You don't play at 90-95 SR after getting set. If we crash out of CT against proteas tomorrow, then blame should mainly go to our batting.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I will address what people don't want to hear but are some of the Indian batters playing for the milestones more than for the team cause? The anchor role is also being taken too seriously. Teams like India who bat deep and are star studded do not really need anchors hogging strike scoring nothing. Sharma in first match needed to break loose post his 50 and Dhawan needed to do the same against Lankans.

Kohli also played safe till he reached 50 in first game.

Look at Stokes and Morgan today. All runs blazing bet they don't even know what score they're playing at.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Need to send Jadhav n Pandya before uv n dhoni.

Openers used to play at a good strike rate till 2015, they have become pretty slow now.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Can't believe that from days of Tendulkar and Sehwag, we've fallen to tuk tuks like rohit and dhawan. We have the worst opening pair the world, the innings rohit played against pakistan would have been a match losing innings against any decent batting team. The fact that kohli actually praised rohit shows the mindset of the team. If we don't see a change in approach at the top in the next match then only a saffer choke will save us from a defeat

 

[Bhaijaan]

Can't believe that from days of Tendulkar and Sehwag, we've fallen to tuk tuks like rohit and dhawan. We have the worst opening pair the world, the innings rohit played against pakistan would have been a match losing innings against any decent batting team. The fact that kohli actually praised rohit shows the mindset of the team. If we don't see a change in approach at the top in the next match then only a saffer choke will save us from a defeat

They aren't at all bad but year Tendulkar and Sehwag generally blazed away post 10 overs till 25-30 and would then re-evaluate for a bigger knock. These guys aren't doing that. I don't care for first 10 overs really as long as wickets aren't lost. It's the dull batting between 11 to 40th over that i feel is keeping India back. They are capable of outbatting teams.

 

[czar]

Still some people are justifying the loserish attitude in the first ten overs. Target Atleast 60 at any cost, anything below that will result in a below pat score at the end.

 

[JaDed]

Can't believe that from days of Tendulkar and Sehwag, we've fallen to tuk tuks like rohit and dhawan. We have the worst opening pair the world, the innings rohit played against pakistan would have been a match losing innings against any decent batting team. The fact that kohli actually praised rohit shows the mindset of the team. If we don't see a change in approach at the top in the next match then only a saffer choke will save us from a defeat

40-45 in first 10 with no wickets is no issue,but Rohit not charging anymore is absolutely terrible.

 

[Messiah]

Rohit and dhawan sensing their spot in danger and playing selfish knocks

 

[TahirFan]

South African have already chased down massive totals including the famous 438.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Indian openers are poor. Dont care how many runs they are scoring as they are not fast and good enough in these conditions.

If we notice there is a pattern in last few matches. First 6 overs are tough and sometimes teams lose wickets like Eng today and BD yesterday but in general conditions are extremely batting friendly and even after losing 3 wickets 300 isnt a problem for teams. Indian openers should at max play first 6 overs cautiously.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Rohit and dhawan sensing their spot in danger and playing selfish knocks

This.

I hope Pant, Rahul open the innings for 1 series in full.

 

[captain crook]

I feel India's batsmen deliberately play slowly to maintain their averages. Pathetic attitudes. They won't play fast even if they can.

 

[SandyB]

This.

I hope Pant, Rahul open the innings for 1 series in full.

True. If we crash out here, the next series should see a lot of fresh faces.

 

[idrizzy]

True, but if you have noticed the last 3 matches including today,its tough in the first 10,new ball does a lot,becomes mindbogglingly flat after that and India doesn't take advantage.

I slightly disagree with you. Pakistantry to do what you do (survive first 10 overs) but we survive the first 5, get to about 18-0, then attack and by 10 overs we're 45-0. Of course that was the Azhar-Shehzad combo, and most times our approach failed.

Whereas India literally play slow for the first 10 overs, seriously preserving their wickets. Obviously in most cases both openers stay where you're 35-0 after 10, but you gotta accelerate a bit quicker - get the RR close to 6 as you build that partnership.

With the SL game, I agree with OP. Dhoni should've been more expansive but wanted to stay at the crease. At 138-1 after 25, should've got to 330+ easily. Only guy who takes advantage is Kohli.

 

[idrizzy]

True. If we crash out here, the next series should see a lot of fresh faces.

But they get off to great starts - maybe my mindset is backwards since Pakistan hardly get century opening stands but they still scored at SRs of 95+ vs SL

 

[sehwag fan]

Rohit and dhawan are fine, they are giving good enough starts. We have a very fragile middle order. Jadhav should definitely bat above dhoni...it's very sad to see dhoni playing selfish knocks for his place in the team.. and yuvi is mostly hit or miss, I still don't have confidence on yuvi. KL Rahul is a big miss. He should have easily kept yuvi out of the team. Hardik, KL, jadhav is a very decent middle order. Our biggest problem is yuvi and dhoni

 

[Crafty_Indian]

I would like to point out that we don't do England's approach and that is perfectly alright.

Having said that we are a FAR better team when asked to chase down targets which is really what the other top sides who have looked good have done. In no prior instance within this comp has a team really touched those dizzying Heights of 350 and 400(barring English who haven't batted first) . It is fairly reasonable also coz there is every possibility to crash onto a below par score in trying to overreach.

Our batting this tournament has been fairly stable but it is our bowling combination that hashas given us a few headaches.

So in an ideal situation India will be hoping to win the toss and insert the opposition so that we can chase down any score and also get first Crack at any early morning conditions.

 

[JaDed]

I slightly disagree with you. Pakistantry to do what you do (survive first 10 overs) but we survive the first 5, get to about 18-0, then attack and by 10 overs we're 45-0. Of course that was the Azhar-Shehzad combo, and most times our approach failed.

Whereas India literally play slow for the first 10 overs, seriously preserving their wickets. Obviously in most cases both openers stay where you're 35-0 after 10, but you gotta accelerate a bit quicker - get the RR close to 6 as you build that partnership.

With the SL game, I agree with OP. Dhoni should've been more expansive but wanted to stay at the crease. At 138-1 after 25, should've got to 330+ easily. Only guy who takes advantage is Kohli.

True,Rohit not accelerating is one of the reasons we are in issues he used to take much more advantage before compared to even Kohli.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Rohit and dhawan sensing their spot in danger and playing selfish knocks

Rohit's spot is in 0 danger.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I would like to point out that we don't do England's approach and that is perfectly alright.

Having said that we are a FAR better team when asked to chase down targets which is really what the other top sides who have looked good have done. In no prior instance within this comp has a team really touched those dizzying Heights of 350 and 400(barring English who haven't batted first) . It is fairly reasonable also coz there is every possibility to crash onto a below par score in trying to overreach.

Our batting this tournament has been fairly stable but it is our bowling combination that hashas given us a few headaches.

So in an ideal situation India will be hoping to win the toss and insert the opposition so that we can chase down any score and also get first Crack at any early morning conditions.

Yes, we can do England's approach.

If India batted like that we would be basically unbeatable because our batsmen are a lot better than theirs. India's stupid strategy does a very good job of negating our skill advantage.

 

[Haripotter]

You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what I felt . I can understand if the opening batsman is watchful for his first 50 balls where he gets his eye in and gets used to the pace and bounce of the pitch. Once that phase is over, he has to go at SR 120 , no point doing the 6RPO till 40th over. It's a flat pitch so u need to take this calculative risk. But our Batman like Sharma and dhawan are too selfish nowadays and want big score for themselves to stay in contention even after CT2017.

Some of my friends blamed the bowlers but what can the bowlers do when there is nothing on the pitch for them after couple of overs at he start. Ok blame on Indian bowlers bcos they were trundlers in the past but after seeing how NZ and Australia bowlers getting thrashed as well in the 2nd innings ,it's a clear case of our batsman being the culprits

 

[Pollack]

40-45 in first 10 with no wickets is no issue,but Rohit not charging anymore is absolutely terrible.

You are discounting the encouragement bowlers get when batsman do tuk tuk. Score should be 56 in first 10 overs atleast. More is good to have. If that is difficult for batsman without losing wickets then maybe we should get better batsman in the team.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I would like to point out that we don't do England's approach and that is perfectly alright.

Having said that we are a FAR better team when asked to chase down targets which is really what the other top sides who have looked good have done. In no prior instance within this comp has a team really touched those dizzying Heights of 350 and 400(barring English who haven't batted first) . It is fairly reasonable also coz there is every possibility to crash onto a below par score in trying to overreach.

Our batting this tournament has been fairly stable but it is our bowling combination that hashas given us a few headaches.

So in an ideal situation India will be hoping to win the toss and insert the opposition so that we can chase down any score and also get first Crack at any early morning conditions.

Can't blame the trundlindians when even the likes of Starc and Hazzlewood are being torn apart. These pitches are batting paradises post early over nerves and swing and you will see a 350+ total from a team like England if they get to bat first. India is capable of matching and outbatting them if they stop playing for the averages and their self imposed safe score bar. Yesterday Morgan and Stokes played fearlessly nor once did they make it seem they had centuries on their mind. They played deliveries on merit while keeping attacking shots as their first preference. India needs to do the same. 125 ball 125 runs on these pitches are pathetic. Set batsman should have 150+ from 120.

 

[Haripotter]

This.

I hope Pant, Rahul open the innings for 1 series in full.

Ain't gonna happen anytime soon
BCCI for some reason call out players expecially batsman after 21 years of age so pant may have to wait for long unlike Pakistan :Kohli

Rahul is our answer for the moment and with these flat pitches, Rahul would have been crazy good with his current form . Our bad luck he is injured

 

[Bhaijaan]

I LOL hard at people suggesting Rahul as replacement for Yuvraj citing inconsistency as reason. Seriously educate yourselves do yourself even watch cricket or news. Rahul is the epitome of inconsistency himself at least Yuvraj has a respectable record back in his place. He absolutely deserves to be there. What thankless idiots the guy just won MOTM against pakistan and initiated India's acceleration when everyone around him was playing for the averages.

 

[Hawkeye]

Hmm.

That's what I noticed about your team as well. They're not scoring as fast as they should, or as fast as they're capable of scoring.

Not sure why going the "safe" route. Probably relying too much on their bowling and getting overconfident.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Make no mistake about it, you cannot go into a match with a score in your mind. Projected score is always evaluated midway seeing the situation and in that sense there should be absolutely zero issues with India being 40/0 in first 10 over. It's completely fine unless of course the conditions and opponents aren't that threatening. But if by God India again finds itself at 80/1 in 15 overs and still aiming at 320 against a team like Sourhern Afrikaan they would be screwing themselves like they did against Lankans who should have been smothered for 370 in last match.

 

[Specialisttailender]

.. is what i noticed in this tournament so far. Didn't hurt them against Pakistan who are awful with the bat but were found regretting against Lankans. India is operating at 80% of its batting potential. They are capable of outbatting any team in the world if they readjust their safe score mentality.

Just looking at two great counter attacking batting displays in last two days from Bangladesh first and now Stokes/Morgan, it's a clear message to India they too need to go for it much earlier!

We'd like to have openers that can accelerate from the start but we don't and im fine with it. Would you rather have quick start and lose early wickets ?

 

[Pollack]

Make no mistake about it, you cannot go into a match with a score in your mind. Projected score is always evaluated midway seeing the situation and in that sense there should be absolutely zero issues with India being 40/0 in first 10 over. It's completely fine unless of course the conditions and opponents aren't that threatening. But if by God India again finds itself at 80/1 in 15 overs and still aiming at 320 against a team like Sourhern Afrikaan they would be screwing themselves like they did against Lankans who should have been smothered for 370 in last match.

Make no mistake about it India always play the same no matter pitch, conditions or opposition. Even if it is Nepal bowling you will see similar batting approach.Indian batting is robotic.

 

[Syed1]

Hmm.

That's what I noticed about your team as well. They're not scoring as fast as they should, or as fast as they're capable of scoring.

Not sure why going the "safe" route. Probably relying too much on their bowling and getting overconfident.

I was shocked when it was revealed that India has the slowest rpo amongst all test playing nation's in the first 10 since 2015 WC, even below us. I think our record is skewed because of Sharjeel, if we leave it to Azhar and Shehzad we would be scoring 20-30 in the first 10.

 

[Noobosauras]

Funny that questions are being raised on a line up that comfortably crossed 300 in two consecutive matches. Tells you more about the appalling patta pitches dished out more than anything.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Need to send Jadhav n Pandya before uv n dhoni.

Openers used to play at a good strike rate till 2015, they have become pretty slow now.

Pandya is not a proper batsman, pandya should always be sent in the last 5-10 overs when big hitting is required, pandya can't build an innings

 

[Hawkeye]

I was shocked when it was revealed that India has the slowest rpo amongst all test playing nation's in the first 10 since 2015 WC, even below us. I think our record is skewed because of Sharjeel, if we leave it to Azhar and Shehzad we would be scoring 20-30 in the first 10.

Not too worried about this particular stat, and our stats are inflated by Sharjeel indeed.