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India's young fast bowling factory - 38 better bowlers than Naseem Shah?

Speed is overrated in T20, particularly in subcontinent.

Naseem Shah : 5 matches - 7 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Haris Rauf : 6 matches - 8 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Bhuvneshwar Kumar : 5 matches - 11 wickets- Economy 6.
 
Speed is overrated in T20, particularly in subcontinent.

Naseem Shah : 5 matches - 7 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Haris Rauf : 6 matches - 8 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Bhuvneshwar Kumar : 5 matches - 11 wickets- Economy 6.

Need a right balance of the two.

Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf is our way to go and for you, it is Bhuvi, Bumrah and maybe Arshdeep(not sure about him fully but can't think of anyone else).
 
Speed is overrated in T20, particularly in subcontinent.

Naseem Shah : 5 matches - 7 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Haris Rauf : 6 matches - 8 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Bhuvneshwar Kumar : 5 matches - 11 wickets- Economy 6.

Bhuvi's stats were propped up by 1 useless match vs Afg :warner

The Indian team would take Naseem and Rauf happily over him any day. Our captain would use them better though, and definitely not assign the role of death-over specialist to Naseem.
 
Bhuvi's stats were propped up by 1 useless match vs Afg :warner

The Indian team would take Naseem and Rauf happily over him any day. Our captain would use them better though, and definitely not assign the role of death-over specialist to Naseem.

Who are the pacers you will most likely select?
 
Speed is overrated in T20, particularly in subcontinent.

Naseem Shah : 5 matches - 7 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Haris Rauf : 6 matches - 8 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Bhuvneshwar Kumar : 5 matches - 11 wickets- Economy 6.

These is why overall stats don't mean anything. Rauf was the best out of them.
Bhuvi is automatically disqualified with the the match loosing 19th over he has bowled. He single handedly lost the match.

It's like taking the overall stats of SKY in this asia cup, it reads like avg of 34 and SR of 162 when he was a total flop in the trophy.
 
Who are the pacers you will most likely select?

India?

I'd have picked Shami and Arshdeep/Siraj to partner Bumrah. Hardik is the 4th seamer. Since Jadeja is missing, would go with Bishnoi as specialist spinner and if this Hooda guy is as good as they claim, he'll be 6th bowling option to cover someone having an off-day. But the squad just announced doesn't have Siraj and Shami-Bishnoi are backups :sree

Pakistan - Naseem to partner Shaheen as opening bowler. The latter seems more versatile regarding when he bowls, but Naseem should open with a burst of 2 and bowl his remaining two between the 10th and 16 overs. No later than that. Rauf is first change. Something about Hasnain seems worth giving him a long run.
 
speed is not overrated, the white ball swings for 3 or 4 overs in t20is, if u can swing it at close to 90 mph, you will get at least 3, if not 4 very productive bowling overs, best case 10/3, worst case 25/0.

regardless of the specifics, high speed with swing at the start of a match if definitely a net positive. the real issue is in the death overs where edges and miscues fly for six.

this is where you need some intelligence and bravery to maybe recreate your strategy to front load with pace, and trust spinner with latter middle overs and have one specific death over specialist.

pak seem to bowl by numbers, with a fear to get rid of the spinners overs as soon as the field goes back, i honestly think rather than bowling overs 6 to 14 with spin, you could do 6 to 17, leaving one death specialist to bowl 2 overs, and one pacer to bowl one.
 
Naseem with the ball swinging is an absolute nightmare to face.

Thank you Shaun Tait for making him finally swing the ball unlike all the pretenders who tried before him.
 
Never been one of those hyping him up but I’d say a Test hat trick + 5fer at that age (even if you add the 2 years age fudging I don’t believe in) always meant Shah was someone above average.
 
Well, we know for a fact that 5 of those bowlers failed to pick a single wicket against England.

Baki 30 ko pesh keya jaye
 
Bhuvneshwar Kumar sure turned up today with his swing bowling. Unfortunately he got mostly swung away over the fences by Buttler and Hales.
 
Speed is overrated in T20, particularly in subcontinent.

Naseem Shah : 5 matches - 7 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Haris Rauf : 6 matches - 8 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Bhuvneshwar Kumar : 5 matches - 11 wickets- Economy 6.

Sorry but Pak bowling is miles ahead of Ind bowling
 
This thread perfectly summarizes the delusion of Indian fans. No other fanbase overrates their team as much as the Indians do.
 
India would take Naseem in a heartbeat over their best bowler of the trounament - Arshdeep, let alone 38 bowlers LOL.
 
Speed is overrated in T20, particularly in subcontinent.

Naseem Shah : 5 matches - 7 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Haris Rauf : 6 matches - 8 wickets- Economy 7.6.
Bhuvneshwar Kumar : 5 matches - 11 wickets- Economy 6.

Speed is never overrated. It comes into its own when it really matters.
 
HOW HAVE I NOT SEEN THIS THREAD!! LOL!
Love Naseem- there are some people out there saying Naseem has been average this tournament, when he has been anything but!
I hope he gets his rewards in the final!
 
Indian Iniesta I mean Bhuvi had a rare off day and that costed the game, they dearly missed their Fabregas ala Bumrah :aqib
 
nowhere in this thread have i been able to find the list of the 38 better bowlers, would appreciate it if someone has seen it to reproduce it
 
Hilarious moment of the day:
Indian wk standing up to an Indian pacer bowling in Australia 🤣
 
Going by the OP was it Mamoon who said this?!?!!
Champ Troll!

Correct.

But no response now.

I thought IT was an absurd thing to say then but after todays absolute mess against English batting.

I would say India has one of the worst pace bowling squads in the world.

Out of 1.3 billion people , cricket the only real sport why cant India find fast bowlers? An eternal mystery.
 
Opening spell. Bhuvi was bowling, Pant stepped up to the crease, trying to play mind games on Butler.

Haha, need to watch this.

You cannot be considered a fast bowler or pacer if the keeper is standing up in Aus to an opener.

Reminds of Saeed Ajmal saying Indians pace are spinning the ball well. :))
 
Hilarious moment of the day:
Indian wk standing up to an Indian pacer bowling in Australia ��

Gem :)))

Indian phasst bowlers couldn't even pick up a single wicket while defending a good-ish target. Same bowlers go for millions in IPL LOL
 
Haha, need to watch this.

You cannot be considered a fast bowler or pacer if the keeper is standing up in Aus to an opener.

Reminds of Saeed Ajmal saying Indians pace are spinning the ball well. :))

Bbc coms were trying to hold back their shock lol
 
Pretty sure whoever made this comment was talking about the bowling you do on a bowling alley.
 
Haha, need to watch this.

You cannot be considered a fast bowler or pacer if the keeper is standing up in Aus to an opener.

Reminds of Saeed Ajmal saying Indians pace are spinning the ball well. :))

I think Shahid Afridi is as fast as bhuvi
 
This thread perfectly summarizes the delusion of Indian fans. No other fanbase overrates their team as much as the Indians do.

Think you are mistaken - some so called Indian fans are like that.

A colleague from India came to me yesterday and said that he can't believe the sort of fast-bowlers we have at our disposal.

Problem with us is what we call in Urdu "Ghar kee murghee daal barabar" - we simply don't appreciate the fast-bowling talent we have at our disposal.
 
A poster here listed 30+ names. Looking at Naseem’s humiliation in New Zealand, there is no doubt that all of them are better than these talentless bowler with a big mouth and zero ability.

And some people really think that these 38 indians bowlers are alive and they will find them and post them on PP.

More delusional than you, don't think it is in exiestence.
But you are so lost in your head that even all these phainties will not awoke you.
 
Would have been a travesty of trundlers xi won in Australia!. Mark Wood alone deserves this tournament
 
Reality is these 38 bowlers are not born yet....
Our bowling is weaker than Associate teams...
We will consider ourselves lucky if we have a single bowler like Naseem Shah and Shaheen Afridi
 
Think you are mistaken - some so called Indian fans are like that.

A colleague from India came to me yesterday and said that he can't believe the sort of fast-bowlers we have at our disposal.

Problem with us is what we call in Urdu "Ghar kee murghee daal barabar" - we simply don't appreciate the fast-bowling talent we have at our disposal.

Well you can blame some of our much rated posters on here for some of that. You know which ones we are talking about, the ones who like to keep reminding us how Pakistan DESERVES every humiliation. Maybe that guy will get an award for it one day.
 
Average of 101 against England at an economy rate of 4.

Average of 73 against New Zealand at an economy rate of 4.6

Average of 34 against Australia.

Overall average is touching 40 at an economy rate of 3.6.

He is well on his way of becoming the worst fast bowler in Test history. His deluded fans will cry about the pitch, but you cannot blame the pitch when you are going at 6.40 an over.

It is time for his fans to accept that he is nowhere near as good as they think he is. His figures are beyond embarrassing.
 
Naseem Shah has the honor of having the highest economy rate for a fast bowler in a Test innings (min. 25 overs).

He achieved this honor in New Zealand in 2021 when he conceded 141 runs in 26 overs at an economy rate of 5.42.

His figures in the ongoing innings are 15 overs, 96 runs at an economy rate of 6.40

I think he has a tremendous chance of breaking his own world record.
 
Average of 101 against England at an economy rate of 4.

Average of 73 against New Zealand at an economy rate of 4.6

Average of 34 against Australia.

Overall average is touching 40 at an economy rate of 3.6.

He is well on his way of becoming the worst fast bowler in Test history. His deluded fans will cry about the pitch, but you cannot blame the pitch when you are going at 6.40 an over.

It is time for his fans to accept that he is nowhere near as good as they think he is. His figures are beyond embarrassing.


One thing I've realised about recent Pakistani bowlers is they don't have the patience or discipline required for test cricket. They're brilliant for short burst spells in white ball cricket particularly the t20 game.
 
One thing I've realised about recent Pakistani bowlers is they don't have the patience or discipline required for test cricket. They're brilliant for short burst spells in white ball cricket particularly the t20 game.

Naseem is a product of hype. He is a nothing bowler and struggles for wickets even in T20Is. Rauf is another Wahab Riaz.

Shaheen fits your general assessment because he has criminally underperformed in Tests, but there is no doubt he is a special talent & he will eventually come good in Test cricket too.

He is the only world class or potential world class fast bowler in Pakistan. The rest are average bowlers hyped to the moon by delusional fans.
 
Average of 101 against England at an economy rate of 4.

Average of 73 against New Zealand at an economy rate of 4.6

Average of 34 against Australia.

Overall average is touching 40 at an economy rate of 3.6.

He is well on his way of becoming the worst fast bowler in Test history. His deluded fans will cry about the pitch, but you cannot blame the pitch when you are going at 6.40 an over.

It is time for his fans to accept that he is nowhere near as good as they think he is. His figures are beyond embarrassing.

Your ridiculous double standards continue. Before this test:

Archer: 13 matches, 42 wickets at 31
Naseem: 13 matches, 33 wickets at 36

You repeatedly love to say that Archer is the best in the world while Naseem is the worst fast bowler in history.

Say whatever you want about the opposition and breaking down stats but Archer has played in a lot more bowling friendly conditions while Naseem has some matches against Bangladesh.

You love quoting Naseem's figures against England, but in that series where they both played, Naseem got more top order wickets than Archer - who across the series got 1 non-tail end wicket (and 3 tail enders)... against an awful Pakistan batting line up compared to the very decent England batting team Naseem bowled to. Not to mention this was England's home so they had an advantage on the conditions too. Yet you will continue to quote the stats to suit your agenda.


Add to the fact that Naseem is around 5 years younger and your bias begins to show even more.
 
Average of 101 against England at an economy rate of 4.

Average of 73 against New Zealand at an economy rate of 4.6

Average of 34 against Australia.

Overall average is touching 40 at an economy rate of 3.6.

He is well on his way of becoming the worst fast bowler in Test history. His deluded fans will cry about the pitch, but you cannot blame the pitch when you are going at 6.40 an over.

It is time for his fans to accept that he is nowhere near as good as they think he is. His figures are beyond embarrassing.

The best bowler in the world averages 105 against New Zealand.

Average of 50 vs West Indies.

Average of 40 vs Pakistan - the talentless team.

He also averages 42 away from home. And yet Naseem is the worst bowler in test cricket.
 
This is one of those childish arguments where when Naseem does bad, the hate brigade will come with the 'I told you so's' and same for support brigade for when he does good. Despite his figures this game, I believe he's a good bowler. If he bowls well, he rightfully deserves the praise and if not then he rightfully deserves the criticism.
 
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He is a good bowler..Needs to be persisted and backed regularly. Even give break when required to prolong his career.
 
Economy rate of 7.

His Test career continues to be an embarrassing disaster.
 
Has taken 5 wickets in 34 overs on this patta.

Listen if you are going to bash him for going 6 runs per overs then also credit him for taking 5 wickets on this patta.

The bottim line is bashing or giving credit to a bowler is pointless on this tack. He has bowled well in his last 2 test series so wait for a more regular pitch before bashing or praising him.
 
Hes bowled well considering how england are batting and how flat the wkt is
 
This is typical for Pakistani fans. Overhype average players then make excuses & get defensive over their failures.

The denial is strong. Naseem is not the bowler they think he is. He is bang average.
 
Bumrah averages 22 in Tests. Naseem is averaging 36.

Bumrah might have struggled here, but Naseem’s entire Test career is a struggle.

Keep ignoring your hero Archers performance in Tests. It’s not a comparison but highlights your bias and ridiculousness.
 
Bumrah averages 22 in Tests. Naseem is averaging 36.

Bumrah might have struggled here, but Naseem’s entire Test career is a struggle.
Bumrah would have never leaked runs at 7 rpo, the key to fast bowling on these type of pitches is to keep the batters quite which is exactly what James Anderson did.

On the other hand Pakistani bowlers are trying to be ultra aggressive and getting destroyed.
 
This is typical for Pakistani fans. Overhype average players then make excuses & get defensive over their failures.

The denial is strong. Naseem is not the bowler they think he is. He is bang average.
Its not over hype. Its pointless to praise or bash him for this game. His haters will point out he went for 6 rpo while his supporters will say 5 wickets in 34 overs is a decent return. This is not a pitch to judge any batsman or bowler regardless or result. If next game has a standard test match pitch and he goes the distance then yes you are justified to attack him this game no bowler was given a chance to prove what they can do.
 
Its not over hype. Its pointless to praise or bash him for this game. His haters will point out he went for 6 rpo while his supporters will say 5 wickets in 34 overs is a decent return. This is not a pitch to judge any batsman or bowler regardless or result. If next game has a standard test match pitch and he goes the distance then yes you are justified to attack him this game no bowler was given a chance to prove what they can do.

This Test has been a reflection of his career so far: mediocre. He has played in Australia, England, New Zealand & now Pakistan.

He averages high 30s. His fans keep making excuses & he keeps failing. He is failing on Pakistan’s dead tracks & he also failed in more bowling-friendly conditions overseas.

The list of excuses are never ending:

- he is young
- he was unlucky
- pitch is flat
- he will do better in the future etc.

He might do better in the future or he might not, but the reality that so far his Test career has been a disaster. It shouldn’t be hard to accept it without putting asterisks next to his record or coming up with justifications.
 
This Test has been a reflection of his career so far: mediocre. He has played in Australia, England, New Zealand & now Pakistan.

He averages high 30s. His fans keep making excuses & he keeps failing. He is failing on Pakistan’s dead tracks & he also failed in more bowling-friendly conditions overseas.

The list of excuses are never ending:

- he is young
- he was unlucky
- pitch is flat
- he will do better in the future etc.

He might do better in the future or he might not, but the reality that so far his Test career has been a disaster. It shouldn’t be hard to accept it without putting asterisks next to his record or coming up with justifications.

His standing as a test bowler remains the same after this test as it was before this test its not enhanced nor its not gone down. I know you dont rate him but that was same as before this so using this game performance as a bait to rile up his fans is silly and there is no need to bump this thread as performance on this pitch does not indicate a proper standing of any cricketer.

I dont rate Zahid but i will not have a go at him for this game as the pitch is unforgiving to a wrist spinner bowling to ultra-aggressive bats. The only one who needs a bashing is Azhar Ali who is getting late to ball and getting injured on this pitch vs 80 mph trunder showing how far he is gone.
 
This Test has been a reflection of his career so far: mediocre. He has played in Australia, England, New Zealand & now Pakistan.

He averages high 30s. His fans keep making excuses & he keeps failing. He is failing on Pakistan’s dead tracks & he also failed in more bowling-friendly conditions overseas.

The list of excuses are never ending:

- he is young
- he was unlucky
- pitch is flat
- he will do better in the future etc.

He might do better in the future or he might not, but the reality that so far his Test career has been a disaster. It shouldn’t be hard to accept it without putting asterisks next to his record or coming up with justifications.

Like all bowlers he will have to take wickets in all conditions but you have egg on your face.
 
His standing as a test bowler remains the same after this test as it was before this test its not enhanced nor its not gone down. I know you dont rate him but that was same as before this so using this game performance as a bait to rile up his fans is silly and there is no need to bump this thread as performance on this pitch does not indicate a proper standing of any cricketer.

I dont rate Zahid but i will not have a go at him for this game as the pitch is unforgiving to a wrist spinner bowling to ultra-aggressive bats. The only one who needs a bashing is Azhar Ali who is getting late to ball and getting injured on this pitch vs 80 mph trunder showing how far he is gone.

It is not that difficult, please repeat after me:

Naseem has been very poor in Test cricket so far.
 
Please repeat me after me. It is not difficult. His numbers against the top sides are embarrassing.

It's nice to see you reply so quickly because you have disappeared from the economics threads but you have egg on your face. According to you every PK player is terrible and every Ind player is a Don Bradman but we performed better than them in both T 20 WCs. As far as Naseem is concerned, he will have to take wickets on a consistent basis. You are no genius for pointing out the obvious, stop pretending that is unique knowledge only you have.
 
It is not that difficult, please repeat after me:

Naseem has been very poor in Test cricket so far.

Yez he has been poor at test cricket i agree fully but what's the point of using this game as a way to bash him.

You can call him rubbish for going at 6 RPO i can call him awesome for having a SR of 40 balls per wicket lower then career SR of Steyn, Marshal and Waqar.

This Naseem fella must be special that's he striking at a lower SR on this patta then ATG's when another ATG Jimmy is only striking at 150 balls per wicket.

See there are ways to twist around stats to your advantage however we both are worng as these stats are just a combination of England aggressive apprach and a very unforgiving pitch.

As i said you don't rate him dont but don't rile up his fans for performance on this useless pitch.
 
Naseem may or may not become a premier Test bowler, but he is definitely a good improving cricketer

His Test experience is helping him in other formats
 
5 wickets in this Test

Not the worst effort
They were cheap wickets mainly due to England approach his efforts in this game dows not indicate he's on upward trajectory In test cricket.

Against a normal test batting side his effort would have been 1-2 for 120 runs in 40-45 overs
 
Lol. Naseem is the best young bowler in asia.
He will end up with better test stats than shaheen who will be an atg in white ball. Bookmark this.
 
Lol. Naseem is the best young bowler in asia.
He will end up with better test stats than shaheen who will be an atg in white ball. Bookmark this.
No he is not as per now. He bowls a lot of leg side rubbish to indicate that he will have a great test career. You cannot be a great test match pacer if you tend to be so leg sidish.
 
Please repeat me after me. It is not difficult. His numbers against the top sides are embarrassing.

His numbers against top sides against top sides are embarassing.

Please repeat after me. It is not difficult.
He is better than any bowler that just lost to Bangladesh.
 
No he is not as per now. He bowls a lot of leg side rubbish to indicate that he will have a great test career. You cannot be a great test match pacer if you tend to be so leg sidish.

Besides muhammad sami i have never seen a bowler who hasnt improved his lines and control with time.
Naseem has everything else. Movement both ways at good test match pace. His lines are better than before we ve seen enough evidence of that in the last one year. Be patient and watch him bowl on better wickets.
 
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