Infatuation with mediocre foreign players in Karachi Kings

[arif_2021]

Anybody know the actual reason why KK are picking mediocre foreign unknown players to bat in the top order?

Two years ago, Imad Wasim publicly humiliated Mohammad Rizwan because he favored foreign West Indian player (not that it was Chadwick's fault - ultimately it's the leadership thats to blame). Whats with the infatuation of foreign mediocre talent?

Its an insult to those who spend their lives in domestic circuit and when the opportunities come, unknown players who have no vested interest in Pakistan cricket are given them.

I saw the match yesterday, and spots 2-6 look like they are completely undone and do not belong even in league cricket. Who is Lammonby?

Babar put himself in a very tough spot. Now he gave a reason to the public and medica to be scrutinized as a captain. If you remember, Kohli's downturn as a captain really started when he was blamed for not even winning as single IPL title.

Besides that, KK need to realize that they really needed to put up a good show as they are representing home city. No one is going to come and watch the matches if they keep performing like this.
Its not about the losses, its HOW they lost.

Batting order should have an experienced player in 3/4 spot to guide the youngsters. Babar is great, but what happens when he gets out?

Is there no one in Pakistan that can help them? I would rather see Saud Shakeel (even though strike rate is low - but he's a proper batsman) and give players with a track into pakistan's international team more chances.

I do not know whats going on.

Very very disappointing for one of the biggest teams in PSL.

 

[PakEngFan]

There are so many rubbish foreigners in PSL. To make things worse due to the Ghulam mentality which Pakistanis have ensure they get to bat in their ideal batting slots and are given as many matches as possible. I stopped watching this rubbish where it seems the whole idea is to please foreigners.

 

[Barragan]

Sahibzada Farhan is a far superior batman than all of the current foreign players in that Karachi team.

Such a pathetic team.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It's a recurring theme with every PSL team. Because of the Draft which forces you to select substandard foreign players from lower categories.

I honestly wouldn't mind an IPL-style auction at this point.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

It's a recurring theme with every PSL team. Because of the Draft which forces you to select substandard foreign players from lower categories.

I honestly wouldn't mind an IPL-style auction at this point.

Auction will not solve anything as well as it depends on the franchises having a big purse to select players and with the power that the franchises have and the rights deal in place for the next two years, there's no way that pool is going to increase. They simply have to reduce the number of foreign players from 4 down to 2/3 per team.

The emerging player category also needs to be eliminated. Those who play domestic cricket shouldn't be sitting on the sidelines seeing mediocre/bad untested Pakistani young players playing ahead of them.

 

[Savak]

PSL Window for now should shift to June to September to avoid competing with the IPL so that you can improve your chances of getting better foreign players in the existing salary cap

 

[omairsiddiqui]

The mediocre foreign talent is one thing. Just the amount of good local players that Karachi have let go is astounding. Danish Aziz, Usama Mir, Umer Khan, Rizwan, Iftikhar, Arshad Iqbal. They also have no development program. A franchise that doesn't invest in local talent will suffer. And KK deserve to suffer.

 

[krazystrong]

Started with Chadwick Walton over Rizwan, has continued now to Lammonby over Farhan

 

[Savak]

The mediocre foreign talent is one thing. Just the amount of good local players that Karachi have let go is astounding. Danish Aziz, Usama Mir, Umer Khan, Rizwan, Iftikhar, Arshad Iqbal. They also have no development program. A franchise that doesn't invest in local talent will suffer. And KK deserve to suffer.

Which is why I am against the PCB giving away these Franchises in perpetuity. Some of these owners are just not serious about developing their franchise from a cricketing point of view. Find new owners who are serious about investing in local talent.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Auction will not solve anything as well as it depends on the franchises having a big purse to select players and with the power that the franchises have and the rights deal in place for the next two years, there's no way that pool is going to increase. They simply have to reduce the number of foreign players from 4 down to 2/3 per team.

The emerging player category also needs to be eliminated. Those who play domestic cricket shouldn't be sitting on the sidelines seeing mediocre/bad untested Pakistani young players playing ahead of them.

This has to be one of the worst takes I have ever read on PakPassion.

The emerging player category is there to unearth future stars. It is one of the reasons why you have a domestic T20 league to begin with. So that young players with little to no experience can rub shoulders with local and world-class professionals. It is the same category that has brought Hasan Ali, Shaheen Afridi, Shadab Khan, Haider Ali, Mohammad Hasnain to the limelight and played a massive role in their ascent to the national side.

There are hundreds of players who play domestic cricket in Pakistan. Only a few of them are very good, even less are great. Just because they play domestic cricket doesn't mean they are great players and it certainly DOES NOT mean that they have more potential to play for Pakistan in their late 20s or early 30s than a talented but unknown 20 year old youngster.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The mediocre foreign talent is one thing. Just the amount of good local players that Karachi have let go is astounding. Danish Aziz, Usama Mir, Umer Khan, Rizwan, Iftikhar, Arshad Iqbal. They also have no development program. A franchise that doesn't invest in local talent will suffer. And KK deserve to suffer.

Karachi has always had one of the most unbalanced sides in the league. The quality of their middle-order is almost entirely dependent on the quality of their overseas talent that season, and they are far too reliant on the likes of Babar, Imad, Sharjeel & Amir. They also have zero long-term thinking or attention to creating their own stars like Islamabad and Lahore. And because of that they shouldn't expect to find consistency.

And while Islamabad letting Babar go after PSL 1 may have been the biggest blunder any team ever made in this league, Karachi letting Rizwan go has to be the second biggest one.

 

[Maher96]

Looking at KK there doesn’t seem to be much thought behind getting the best XI out.

Team combination looks the worse of the lot. All other 5 teams seem to have bases covered where as KK have had 3 defeats on the trot.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

This has to be one of the worst takes I have ever read on PakPassion.

The emerging player category is there to unearth future stars. It is one of the reasons why you have a domestic T20 league to begin with. So that young players with little to no experience can rub shoulders with local and world-class professionals. It is the same category that has brought Hasan Ali, Shaheen Afridi, Shadab Khan, Haider Ali, Mohammad Hasnain to the limelight and played a massive role in their ascent to the national side.

There are hundreds of players who play domestic cricket in Pakistan. Only a few of them are very good, even less are great. Just because they play domestic cricket doesn't mean they are great players and it certainly DOES NOT mean that they have more potential to play for Pakistan in their late 20s or early 30s than a talented but unknown 20 year old youngster.

Emerging players in the playing eleven are lowering the quality of the premium domestic tournament in the country. Tag them in the squad so they see how the established stars play, no need to force them in the eleven on a quota.

Most of them don't even bat or ball and just end up fielding or do very little and get dropped. Case in point, Taha for Karachi Kings today, didn't bat and didn't bowl either. Lahore has Maaz Khan who did nothing the entire tournament last year. There are a few cases where boys played a season/match and have been dropped and lost to oblivion - case in point Ibtesam. let's see if people can remember who he was and what he did. A few others have also been forgotten, you'll be hard-pressed to remember the emerging player for Quetta from last season.

If we wish to get our emerging players to become stars, we should play them in the National T20 where they get proper chances. That's the domestic league where they get a chance to play in the eleven and have a role.

This has to be one of the worst takes I have ever read on PakPassion.

This is purely subjective to what you read or comprehend. Someone who recommends an auction despite knowing that the rights for next year are already sold and the franchises are clamoring to lower the salary bracket because they are making losses shouldn't be telling people about bad takes.

 

[Mirpur express]

KK are domed with a non existent middle order & as mentioned above they deserve it for the treatment given to the likes of Rizwan , Arshad & the rest

 

[Savak]

Wasim Akram sure does get off easy, I am surprised no one is taking him to task for the selections in the squad. He is getting paid $300,000 per season, the ROI has been very poor for that salary as far as khi Kings is concerned

 

[YousafTheBeast]

A list of foreign players KK could’ve opted for:

Sandeep Lamichhane
Mohammad Shahzad (wk)
Kyle Abbott
Hashmatullah Shahidi

Local players:

Usman Shinwari
Raza Hasan
Kashif Bhatti

It just looks as though KK picked names out of a hat, lol.

 

[arif_2021]

Really seems like a multi factorial problem

Should really use local talent familiar with NSK

What about Khurram Manzoor? He isn’t the worst

 

[DeadlyVenom]

A list of foreign players KK could’ve opted for:

Sandeep Lamichhane
Mohammad Shahzad (wk)
Kyle Abbott
Hashmatullah Shahidi

Local players:

Usman Shinwari
Raza Hasan
Kashif Bhatti

It just looks as though KK picked names out of a hat, lol.

Lol bloody hell they made a mess of this big time.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Peter Moores is pretty much Wasim Akram's choice. He offered him the role of Pak coach as well a few years back which he thankfully refused. Wasim also likes foreign pace bowlers for some reason. He rated Viljoen as well and brought him to MS when he worked there.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Babar will have to bat at 3 if he wants to control the slide in batting. Give license to both Sharjeel and Sahibzada to go big, Hold the innings in the middle himself, and make Joe Clark play the last 5 overs.
He needs a leggie in the middle as well to give him breakthroughs or otherwise KK pacers are more than capable of conceding 13 an over in the last 5-6 overs without early wickets.

 

[omairsiddiqui]

Really seems like a multi factorial problem

Should really use local talent familiar with NSK

What about Khurram Manzoor? He isn’t the worst

Another player they discarded without giving a proper run.

Babar will have to bat at 3 if he wants to control the slide in batting. Give license to both Sharjeel and Sahibzada to go big, Hold the innings in the middle himself, and make Joe Clark play the last 5 overs.
He needs a leggie in the middle as well to give him breakthroughs or otherwise KK pacers are more than capable of conceding 13 an over in the last 5-6 overs without early wickets.

Babar dropping to 3 will raise questions about his position in the national side. It will open the door for Fakhar or Sharjeel to potentially open with Rizwan.

 

[Ahmad1996]

A list of foreign players KK could’ve opted for:

Sandeep Lamichhane
Mohammad Shahzad (wk)
Kyle Abbott
Hashmatullah Shahidi

Local players:

Usman Shinwari
Raza Hasan
Kashif Bhatti

It just looks as though KK picked names out of a hat, lol.

I don't agree with Hashmat there. I wouldn't even select him for our t20 team because he eats up many balls before he starts ticking. They could have gone for Najibullah Zadran if he was available or Azmatullah Omarzai.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Emerging players in the playing eleven are lowering the quality of the premium domestic tournament in the country. Tag them in the squad so they see how the established stars play, no need to force them in the eleven on a quota.

Most of them don't even bat or ball and just end up fielding or do very little and get dropped. Case in point, Taha for Karachi Kings today, didn't bat and didn't bowl either. Lahore has Maaz Khan who did nothing the entire tournament last year. There are a few cases where boys played a season/match and have been dropped and lost to oblivion - case in point Ibtesam. let's see if people can remember who he was and what he did. A few others have also been forgotten, you'll be hard-pressed to remember the emerging player for Quetta from last season.

If we wish to get our emerging players to become stars, we should play them in the National T20 where they get proper chances. That's the domestic league where they get a chance to play in the eleven and have a role.



This is purely subjective to what you read or comprehend. Someone who recommends an auction despite knowing that the rights for next year are already sold and the franchises are clamoring to lower the salary bracket because they are making losses shouldn't be telling people about bad takes.

My take is still has a realistic chance of happening down the line if PSL becomes a successful brand, is able to pay more and therefore attract higher quality foreign talent. Your take is so deluded that you've pretty much forgotten about one of the two biggest reasons this league is there to begin with. One of the two biggest reasons the IPL was created for 14 years ago: to make money and unearth potential future stars. And the fact that you've conveniently ignored past emerging category successes shows me that you're completely over the hill and that nothing you say can be taken seriously.

Oh and any opinion is purely subjective, Einstein. Doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't have any merit.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

A list of foreign players KK could’ve opted for:

Sandeep Lamichhane
Mohammad Shahzad (wk)
Kyle Abbott
Hashmatullah Shahidi

Local players:

Usman Shinwari
Raza Hasan
Kashif Bhatti

It just looks as though KK picked names out of a hat, lol.

Have you actually ever seen Hashmatullah Shahidi bat? The guy bats like its the 1980s. He is a limited and mediocre batsman at the ODI and Test level who isn't even good enough to play in the BPL. He's not even in Afghanistan's T20 team. And Shahzad is no longer the player he was a few years ago. Which was mediocre but passable. Zazai is a much better version of Shahzad than Shahzad.

Any two bit English county player with one good Vitality Blast season is better than either of these players.

 

[Kroll]

The has-beens and journeymen are important, perhaps more important than we realise.

After all, they are laying the groundwork for all the superstars to sign up in future editions.

 

[arif_2021]

I would rather see said shakeel, Khurram Manzoor along with Babar and sharjeel

Proper technical aggressive batsmen familiar with nsk

If kk wants to play foreign players, they should get a leg spinner, one or two fast bowling all rounders (like odean smith or Powell or even holder- so many choices) to compliment Aamer Yamin and a foreign wk/bat

I don’t really see that much class in that batting besides Babar

 

[cricketerB94]

A list of foreign players KK could’ve opted for:

Sandeep Lamichhane
Mohammad Shahzad (wk)
Kyle Abbott
Hashmatullah Shahidi

Local players:

Usman Shinwari
Raza Hasan
Kashif Bhatti

It just looks as though KK picked names out of a hat, lol.

Our very own Ahmed Shehzad would have been better than any of these players and atleast better than Nabi at 3.

That's why Babar was crying to have Malik and Hafeez in the WC squad. He cannot do captaincy on his own.