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Injury fest and bad performances, was Kakul camp the bad omen for team Pakistan or are our players just too brittle?

Is the Kakul training camp responsible for the injuries to our players?

  • Yes, the tough training ruined it

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • No, our players are solely responsible for it

    Votes: 10 76.9%
  • Total voters
    13
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Azam Khan and Mohammad Rizwan were fully fit for the New Zealand series before then came the Kakul training camp and now both of them are virtually out of the series for an indefinite period. Naseem Shah also looks injury proned. So Kakul camp instead of ensuring the players fitness has created an injury fest for Pakistan players.

Also bad performances also appear to be the side effect of that camp. Naseem Shah was bowling decently in PSL before but last night he played like Haris Rauf and also dropped a sitter.

Another anomaly after Kakul Camp has been the dip in Usman Khan's form. A player who never got dismissed in a single figure in entire PSL this season failed twice to get past the single digit score in the series already.

So was it fair to provide soldier level training regiment to player or it just backfired for the worse for team Pakistan?
 
Naseem be like: Kamal ka camp Tha yaar bus form chale gye
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The Bald Eagle said:
Poll added guys.

@mominsaigol, @Rana your take guys.
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Option B, Kakul camp wasn't the almighty impossible challenge. It was standard training that isn't remotely close to what even early frat boys in miltiary go through with them being forced to wake up at 3am, crawl through the mud and do the most excessive exercises.

Can't blame kakul camp if rizwan the person who people call the fittest is always walking with niggles innthe field and if azam Khan can't even fit in my garage.
 
Azam Khan's right calf muscle isn't injured, its simply on strike having to haul all this mass all the time. No one to blame but Azam here.
 
First of, azam khans issue is with his knees. Fat people have this issue because there is only a certain weight that you knees can handle. This is why they say being fat is unhealthy and effects your body.
Him being fat has nothing to do with Kakul.

Rizwan has a cramp issue, this is a normal issue and has nothing to do with Kakul. Army did not install injections in him to cramp.

What relation does Kakul have with batting performance? How does doing a fitness camp effect your batting.
 
Rizwan probably did all the training exercises in Kakul camp without limping or falling to the ground, but as soon as he plays cricket, it’s like he’s been tackled by Gattuso.
 
Major said:
Rizwan has a cramp issue, this is a normal issue and has nothing to do with Kakul. Army did not install injections in him to cramp.
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Can you explain through your medical expertise why he has cramp issues? Does his body not tolerate the amount of nonsense he feeds himself when approaching white ball cricket from a modern pov? This results in cramping all the time?
 
Rana said:
Can you explain through your medical expertise why he has cramp issues? Does his body not tolerate the amount of nonsense he feeds himself when approaching white ball cricket from a modern pov? This results in cramping all the time?
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cramp issues are due to heat and water levels in the body.

lol Kakul did not cause cramp and also how do you know what he eats? You just have a personal vendetta against him nothing else and now making up stories about him eating something that which you dont know but caused fitness issues.
 
Azhar Mehmood's explanation on Kakal and players injury connection:

“The players worked very hard during the Kakul camp. There can be body fatigue as well. Rizwan had a niggle and with the World Cup ahead of us, we pulled him out, so that his injury doesn’t get aggravated. Irfan too was pulled out for the same reason, but Azam’s case was a setback for us,”
 
Fitness is a long term process. You can't achieve in 10 days. Ask Kohli, it took him at least a year of consistent work out and dietary changes before his body adapted.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Azhar Mehmood's explanation on Kakal and players injury connection:

“The players worked very hard during the Kakul camp. There can be body fatigue as well. Rizwan had a niggle and with the World Cup ahead of us, we pulled him out, so that his injury doesn’t get aggravated. Irfan too was pulled out for the same reason, but Azam’s case was a setback for us,”
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Azam is a setback for the other teams, him playing means an easy wicket and a pathetic fielder in the opposition team.
Pak cricket reaching new lows each day!
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Azhar Mehmood's explanation on Kakal and players injury connection:

“The players worked very hard during the Kakul camp. There can be body fatigue as well. Rizwan had a niggle and with the World Cup ahead of us, we pulled him out, so that his injury doesn’t get aggravated. Irfan too was pulled out for the same reason, but Azam’s case was a setback for us,”
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Irfan was pulled out ? :inti
 
You get far more in a regular gym without getting injured. They could have even played golf which helps you with hitting. Waste of money if you ask me. If anything the kind of drills they went through was dangerous.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Bad idea to keep this in the month of Ramadan @The Bald Eagle
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May be they could have done the majority of training in the night sesssions after the fast period but I thing to force players to do army brat stuff. If that was actually done was a big mistake especially for a guy like Azam Khan who can't barely walk 2KM straight.
 
You have to be consistent with fitness. If you don’t workout everyday at a high intensity and then suddenly you have to work for 10 days at a much higher intensity than your body is used to, there are chances of injuries.

As professional sportsmen, they should have been working out consistently throughout the year and there shouldn’t have been a need for an army training camp.

Rather than Army training camps, Pakistan management should instill good workout and dietary habits throughout the year.
 
And the result of that fitness camp is that we have already lost two players due to niggles.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
And the result of that fitness camp is that we have already lost two players due to niggles.
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If these players were fit from the beginning they would not have needed this camp. Under Babar Azam's reign, the orders came from the captain i.e. to stop the fitness tests of the players. Pakistan was the most unfit team in the Asia and ODI WC. This PSL was the worst season when it came to fitness and ground fielding.

We need to stop making excuses for these players who have achieved nothing. There should be no compromise on modern fitness requirements.
 
Savak said:
If these players were fit from the beginning they would not have needed this camp. Under Babar Azam's reign, the orders came from the captain i.e. to stop the fitness tests of the players. Pakistan was the most unfit team in the Asia and ODI WC. This PSL was the worst season when it came to fitness and ground fielding.

We need to stop making excuses for these players who have achieved nothing. There should be no compromise on modern fitness requirements.
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And that will happen if your captain prioritizes fitness but it seems like Babar also having alu parathas for breakfast these days.
 
big_gamer007 said:
You have to be consistent with fitness. If you don’t workout everyday at a high intensity and then suddenly you have to work for 10 days at a much higher intensity than your body is used to, there are chances of injuries.

As professional sportsmen, they should have been working out consistently throughout the year and there shouldn’t have been a need for an army training camp.

Rather than Army training camps, Pakistan management should instill good workout and dietary habits throughout the year.
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PCB always go for short cuts and stupid hacks
 
As per media reports, Mohammad Rizwan is likely to be ruled out of the remaining T20I matches against New Zealand and could also miss the upcoming T20I series against Ireland and England.
 
Army training may not be suitable for athlete training. I saw a video of the camp where PCT team were carrying stones up hill. A bit too much for running and hitting sixes with a bat.
 
FearlessRoar said:
As per media reports, Mohammad Rizwan is likely to be ruled out of the remaining T20I matches against New Zealand and could also miss the upcoming T20I series against Ireland and England.
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Not sure how to react to this.

I can’t be happy at someone’s injury. That’s immoral. I will be punished by God for this. So I pray may be gain a speedy recovery out of basic humanity

I also hope this is an opportunity availed by Pakistan to finally find the best combination without the cricketer, batter, opener Rizwan holding you back.
 
Babar Azam in a recent press conference before the 4 T20I against New Zealand answered the question regarding the connection between Kakul camp and players injuries:

Babar Azam: If you've talked before, you must be aware of how much cricket has happened during that time and there were back-to-back series. Rest time is out of the question; we were finding it very difficult to spend time with our families. As professionals, we are always ready for it. Whenever we are on tour, we have such a schedule that we have to work on fitness and skills as well. It's part of the game. Anything can happen to anyone. Injuries are part of the game. But we try to look after every player. Regarding the camp (Kakul), there are always benefits to it. We get good fitness, and good fitness also helps us in mental strength in tough situations. We never ignore fitness. If you see the whole year's schedule, the days which we have off, we try to utilize them in fitness and skills. In actuality, we have to look after all departments.
 
Savak said:
Misbah ul Haq, Younis Khan survived a much tougher Army Camp in 2016. The present players are just soft spoilt princesses.
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If current players can achieve even 30% of the fitness level Younus Khan had, they would be running like horses all day.
 
PCB Chairman Mohsin Naqvi speaking about Injury Fest after Kakul Camp, during a Press Conference at Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore:

“Believe me, their fitness has never been focused on. I am not here to criticize any old thing, I am just saying that you should also look at the rest of the players, and look at their fitness in the world, our fitness is much lower than theirs. And this is nothing, we have to work much ahead of this. If I have to bring international guys for fitness, I will bring them too, wherever I need help, I will take it. But such injuries never happen from fitness training.”​
 
BouncerGuy said:
PCB Chairman Mohsin Naqvi speaking about Injury Fest after Kakul Camp, during a Press Conference at Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore:

“Believe me, their fitness has never been focused on. I am not here to criticize any old thing, I am just saying that you should also look at the rest of the players, and look at their fitness in the world, our fitness is much lower than theirs. And this is nothing, we have to work much ahead of this. If I have to bring international guys for fitness, I will bring them too, wherever I need help, I will take it. But such injuries never happen from fitness training.”​
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He is right

Our players look like they work in KFC rather than professional sportsmen
 
During a press conference Mohsin Naqvi rejected the camp had anything to do with players' injuries:

"Injuries never occur due to fitness training, people have got various theories around how to make players fit. Fitness has never been a focus of Pakistan managements in the past."

"I am not criticising anyone that came before me but look at players from the rest of the world. Pakistan players' fitness is well below that. This is just the start, we will have to ramp up player fitness even more. If I need to bring in fitness experts from around the world, I will."
 
Anyone who thinks that a training camp can change your fitness obviously doesn't understand anything about fitness.

First off, what an idiotic idea. Professional athletes are not soldiers. I see that alot of posters are making this an argument about masculinity. If this was such a great method, why is it that you never hear of any other cricket team doing this?

Professional athletes have to be treated with alot of care. Everything from their diet to their fitness and training has to monitored. Any of you who go to the gym or workout understand perfectly how damaging overtraining can be to your body and fitness goals. At the end of the day we are all humans and we all have our limits. If your body says no and you keep trying to breach that limit, it only ends one way and that's injury.

When you're in the Army, its different. They want to foster that kind of mindset in you. And if you don't have it then too bad. They will find someone else.

These are supposed to be your top 30 cricket players. You can't treat them like damn soldiers and not care if anyone overtrains or gets injured. I'm also fairly certain that many of the posters that are putting down our players haven't gone to the gym a day in their life. And that I can tell just by your understanding of fitness.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Professional athletes have to be treated with alot of care. Everything from their diet to their fitness and training has to monitored. Any of you who go to the gym or workout understand perfectly how damaging overtraining can be to your body and fitness goals. At the end of the day we are all humans and we all have our limits. If your body says no and you keep trying to breach that limit, it only ends one way and that's injury.
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Yes but we're not talking about professional athletes here, this is about the current playing squad who're nowhere near international cricket fitness standards bar a few.

'Everything from their diet to their fitness and training has to monitored.'

By who exactly? Do you think PCB sent a nanny to the homes of Misbah, Younis Khan, Shoaib Malik to monitor their diet? The current clowns would empty a buffet spread in a single sitting with no regards to their health. They just don't care. This lot can see what international players look like nowadays and then compare themselves in the mirror.

The current lot struggle to jump, climb, sprint.... they're just about club level fitness.

The primary blame sits with the players themselves.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Anyone who thinks that a training camp can change your fitness obviously doesn't understand anything about fitness.

First off, what an idiotic idea. Professional athletes are not soldiers. I see that alot of posters are making this an argument about masculinity. If this was such a great method, why is it that you never hear of any other cricket team doing this?

Professional athletes have to be treated with alot of care. Everything from their diet to their fitness and training has to monitored. Any of you who go to the gym or workout understand perfectly how damaging overtraining can be to your body and fitness goals. At the end of the day we are all humans and we all have our limits. If your body says no and you keep trying to breach that limit, it only ends one way and that's injury.

When you're in the Army, its different. They want to foster that kind of mindset in you. And if you don't have it then too bad. They will find someone else.

These are supposed to be your top 30 cricket players. You can't treat them like damn soldiers and not care if anyone overtrains or gets injured. I'm also fairly certain that many of the posters that are putting down our players haven't gone to the gym a day in their life. And that I can tell just by your understanding of fitness.
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Yeah I agree -- They should have done a lot more mobility training, non-impact cardio, and strength training. There is no need for them to climb netting & ropes and risk twisting an ankle.
 
shortbread said:
Yes but we're not talking about professional athletes here, this is about the current playing squad who're nowhere near international cricket fitness standards bar a few.

'Everything from their diet to their fitness and training has to monitored.'

By who exactly? Do you think PCB sent a nanny to the homes of Misbah, Younis Khan, Shoaib Malik to monitor their diet? The current clowns would empty a buffet spread in a single sitting with no regards to their health. They just don't care. This lot can see what international players look like nowadays and then compare themselves in the mirror.

The current lot struggle to jump, climb, sprint.... they're just about club level fitness.

The primary blame sits with the players themselves.
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Okay but what are you basing this on? Is there any actionable data that says that these players are not physically fit besides that they don't look fit enough to you? What are their Yo-Yo test numbers compared to other international cricketers?

Fitness for cricketers is very different compared to other professional athletes. Unlike American Football/AFL/Rugby players you don't have to be really big and tall. As long as you have good cardio, a lean and muscular build and a low body fat percentage, then you are probably doing well. I don't feel like any of our players besides someone like Azam Khan that are doing egregiously in terms of fitness.

If PCB can send these players to a training camp like a bunch of kids, why can't they hire the best dieticians and trainers to take care of the players? That would certainly be more productive then asking them to push rocks up a hill or whatever else they were doing there.
 
Asad T said:
Yeah I agree -- They should have done a lot more mobility training, non-impact cardio, and strength training. There is no need for them to climb netting & ropes and risk twisting an ankle.
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Like I said on the other thread, it was stupid and irresponsible. Can you imagine any other board in the world risking injuring their own players like this? And for what, a stupid publicity stunt?
 
'There Was Some Tension Within The Pakistan Team, Army Camp Was...': Rashid Latif

'There was some tension within the Pakistan team, army camp was...': Rashid Latif
Former cricketer Rashid Latif has came out in support of the Pakistan Cricket Board's thought behind sending the senior men's team.

Former cricketer Rashid Latif has voiced his support for the Pakistan Cricket Board's decision to send the senior men's team for training at an Army camp.

The PCB adopted an innovative approach to prepare the Babar Azam-led side for the upcoming T20 World Cup 2024 by conducting training at the Army School of Physical Training in Kakul.
The Pakistan team underwent rigorous training sessions following complaints to the PCB about the team's fitness standards during the 2023 ODI World Cup.

While the decision received a negative response from netizens who laughed it off, Latif praised the PCB's move.

"See, the condition of the team was not looking very good... a little tension was visible within the team. They got a chance to stay together in an army training camp. If there would have been any camp in Lahore or Karachi then everyone would have stayed on mobile. When the day would have ended, they would go to their rooms, use their mobile phones and in the morning come again," the former wicketkeeper-batter told IANS in an exclusive talk

Source: Times of India
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Look at his tummy.. lol

that is what they have achieved after a month long training camp!

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Bro everyone keeps denying or calling me a hater for stating Bobby of 2016-2021 I'd gone and the new Bobby sucks.

I still leep hearing the words babar sher, their so happy that his performance against Ireland raised his avg by 1 point 40 to 41.

Congrats, what about the 8 points this bozo dropped and the 7 kg this bozo gained?
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro everyone keeps denying or calling me a hater for stating Bobby of 2016-2021 I'd gone and the new Bobby sucks.

I still leep hearing the words babar sher, their so happy that his performance against Ireland raised his avg by 1 point 40 to 41.

Congrats, what about the 8 points this bozo dropped and the 7 kg this bozo gained?
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Keep ignoring all of them, u just keep posting what u think about him but on fair analysis, which u do!

and for babar... the way he is gaining weight he will hardly get retired by the age of 34 or so.
 
I don't think the camp can really be blamed for anything, whether positive or negative.

Such camps are like company HR events. A bit of PR and photo ops, hopefully some team spirit building and general motivation.

Nobody is expecting that short camp will drastically improve fitness of any players and neither it is so gruelling that it injures players. These are professional athletes and they will not push themselves past pain limit just for unimportant trainings/camps. If they feel their body redlining they will sit out of activity
 
Keeping your fitness in check must be the responsibility of a player. You can go on to a camp for a few weeks and these camps should help but when you comeback from such fitness camps and start eating your Nihari, Biryani and Naan Chany, the tummy is going to get back. High level fitness needs discipline and a maintained lifestyle for the whole year, not just a few weeks camp. Unfortunately, most players in Pakistan national team don't take their fitness too seriously.
 
Kakul camp has done nothing for these players. It was more of a trip to mountains rather then more training stuff.
 
The Camp was just a PR for the army to show their integrity and what not.

Truth is, the camp that took place from a cricketing perspective was a waste of time and dangerous for the players.

All that outdated fitness training for what? To lose against USA? Shambles.
 
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Circle complete, Pakistan cricket team humiliation completed, from Ahmedabad to Dallas to Dubai , 3 tournaments 3 failures infact this one more swift. Hosts knocked out in 4 days. Quick action like No.1 :mush


Maj Rizwan, Col. Babar , Wng Comm. SSA & Brig Rauf all failed.
 
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