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Inzamam - Please for the sake of Pakistan cricket don't select Kamran Akmal

No way. Move on.
Develop Rizwan. Develop guys that can help in next world cup not a guy who is mediocre to begin with.
PLEASE MOVE ONNNNNN from Hafeez, Maliks, Akmals....
 
Atleast Kamran has been performing in domestic. It's the selection of Umar Akmal which baffles me that how a failure unfit player keep getting selected.
 
Let's not jump the gun. He has only had a few hundred chances. And only recently he was the best batsman in the PSL. Plus he has never played as a batsman before, so he needs to get used to batting like this. Plus these pitches are quite slow. Also the weather wasn't optimal.
 
If Inzi had listened to me, he would have not been embarrassed so much today :facepalm:
 
I watche the psl innnings in the final. The bowling he faced was not of international standard. He continues to be rubbish. On the plus side he wanted just three chances, he's got two
 
Pete Rose said:
I watche the psl innnings in the final. The bowling he faced was not of international standard. He continues to be rubbish. On the plus side he wanted just three chances, he's got two
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This time # of chances have doubled I think.
 
Pete Rose said:
I watche the psl innnings in the final. The bowling he faced was not of international standard. He continues to be rubbish. On the plus side he wanted just three chances, he's got two
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those 3 chances interview is an old interview before the T20 WC; he already got 3 chances that time; now he has got 2 more chances so total 5 chances he already got
 
So, it only took 2 T20s.

Pakistan should permanently say good-bye to TTFs like Akmal brothers, Tanvir, and Hafeez.
 
Well, that completes his tour.

T20Is:

22 (17)
0 (5)
48 (37)
20 (21)


ODIs:

47 (48)
21 (27)
0 (1)
 
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] still think Inzi was right in selecting Kami? :kakmal
 
Didn't deserve to be selected in ODIs

he deserved to be selected in t20s and tests because of his performances in PSL and QeA trophy
 
srh said:
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] still think Inzi was right in selecting Kami? :kakmal
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What a shameless and dimwitted liar you are. Keep going like this and I'll report you to the mods.

For the millionth time, I never said Inzy was justified in selecting Kamran, I said I UNDERSTOOD the reasoning behind his selection, i.e. Sharjeel, Latif and Shahzaib's suspensions and his domestic form, but my PERSONAL view was he should be discarded due to his past international failures.

Is this so hard to understand are you just genuinely thick ? Go back to page 1 where I said the same thing.

This is the last time I'm going to repeat myself.
 
Markhor said:
What a shameless and dimwitted liar you are. Keep going like this and I'll report you to the mods.

For the millionth time, I never said Inzy was justified in selecting Kamran, I said I UNDERSTOOD the reasoning behind his selection, i.e. Sharjeel, Latif and Shahzaib's suspensions and his domestic form, but my PERSONAL view was he should be discarded due to his past international failures.

Is this so hard to understand are you just genuinely thick ? Go back to page 1 where I said the same thing.

This is the last time I'm going to repeat myself.
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bhai dont take trolling so seriously :yk you did not see the :kakmal picture
 
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Inzi wasted the time and money of Pakistan by selection this has been :facepalm:
 
I hope Inzamam had ulterior motives when he came to the conclusion of recalling Kamran Akmal. If 2 decades of playing cricket at the highest level led him to this conclusion, then God help us.
 
Is this what we've come to as a nation? One of the worst players in our history can come back after having 4 above average weeks in a meaningless T20 competition rife with has-beens?

Is this what we call a meritorious selection?

A player who averaged 26 in his peak after 150 ODIs, and we expect him to perform when he's 36. If this isn't the definition of insanity than what is?
 
Hamza_ said:
Hafeez will be out of team after CT. He won't survive against big boys, KAkmal shouldn't be playing CT he is pathetic.
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I think both of them will stay in the team for at least the next few series, Hafeez might play the next world cup
:inzi
 
Citizen4 said:
I think both of them will stay in the team for at least the next few series, Hafeez might play the next world cup
:inzi
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i do think the same... mickey might persist with him for his bowling... once if he gets suspended again for his action mickey will drop.....
 
Citizen4 said:
I think both of them will stay in the team for at least the next few series, Hafeez might play the next world cup
:inzi
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No, Kami will be dropped and should be dropped. Hafeez should be opening in CT with a left handed.

This will also help us move likes of Sarfraz and Malik up who are atleast batting one spot too low.
 
Back to this again.... :kakmal

Will Inzi select the legend after his unstoppable shows in the National T20 Cup?
 
Abdullah719 said:
Back to this again.... :kakmal

Will Inzi select the legend after his unstoppable shows in the National T20 Cup?
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He deserves to be honest. That 150 is built on some of the cleanest proper hitting by a PAK player in recent memory. And, unlike popular thoughts, most of his runs were scored in V, played on the rise (not back foot slogs on long hops) and played with top hand timing, not bottom hand upper cut.

And then, if I talk about PAK Captain's fitness & keeping - his hare krishna group will get upset upon me (By the time, even they are silent about his batting in T20, so that part I guess covered).

If everyone was available, very next match my top 6 for T20 would have been -

Sharjeel, KAkmal, Maqsood, Malik, Talat & Aga Salman Ali ,,,,, and Kamran keeps, Malik or Amir/Hasan/Imad leads - but that's out of question.
 
MMHS said:
He deserves to be honest. That 150 is built on some of the cleanest proper hitting by a PAK player in recent memory. And, unlike popular thoughts, most of his runs were scored in V, played on the rise (not back foot slogs on long hops) and played with top hand timing, not bottom hand upper cut.

And then, if I talk about PAK Captain's fitness & keeping - his hare krishna group will get upset upon me (By the time, even they are silent about his batting in T20, so that part I guess covered).

If everyone was available, very next match my top 6 for T20 would have been -

Sharjeel, KAkmal, Maqsood, Malik, Talat & Aga Salman Ali ,,,,, and Kamran keeps, Malik or Amir/Hasan/Imad leads - but that's out of question.
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Yes ofcourse ... because selection should solely be based on performace in the last domestic tournament. And specifically one which was notorious for fast and big scoring by everyone from Mukhtar to Shan Masood (LOL).

So selectors should not take into account previous international pefromace at all. A player fails for HUNDREDS of international matches, is dropped, scores lots more runs at domestic while showing no improvement in his technique / fitness/ footworks etc, is selected again on the basis of that performance for the west indies tour, performs on par with his overall career (aka poor ~25 average) with atrocious fielding, is dropped...... scores in domestic again..... picked again... the cycle continues.

Extremely poor argument, Im sorrry MMHS
 
Only a fool would support him returning to the team, and they must be an even bigger fool if they think Kami is a better option than Sarfaraz.
 
mak36 said:
Only a fool would support him returning to the team, and they must be an even bigger fool if they think Kami is a better option than Sarfaraz.
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Agreed lol a one off good innings and hes suddenly better than sarfraz.
 
Forum363 said:
Yes ofcourse ... because selection should solely be based on performace in the last domestic tournament. And specifically one which was notorious for fast and big scoring by everyone from Mukhtar to Shan Masood (LOL).

So selectors should not take into account previous international pefromace at all. A player fails for HUNDREDS of international matches, is dropped, scores lots more runs at domestic while showing no improvement in his technique / fitness/ footworks etc, is selected again on the basis of that performance for the west indies tour, performs on par with his overall career (aka poor ~25 average) with atrocious fielding, is dropped...... scores in domestic again..... picked again... the cycle continues.

Extremely poor argument, Im sorrry MMHS
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My post is for a different purpose, against reply to Abdullah.

Read the title and read my post - it’s actually a devil’s advocacy of why not (inzi’ll say why I shouldn’t call back).

Team should be picked on future plan & PAK’s future plan is 2020 WC (already No. 1 ranked, therefore realistic target should be next WC). In that regard, Kamran shouldn’t be part of any squad, because he is unfit, over weight & pushing 40. My post was for one off very next match - you should have understood that from Sharjeel & Aga Salman’s name. I don’t think, I picked anyone over 30 apart from Malik (& Sarfraz) for the squad of NZ & Kamran still was in my team of tournament before this 150*.

However, having said that, Sarfraz is a misfit in T20 XI - if he continues, he should bat at 4 or even as opener (in that case Babar might miss out). If this tournament has any meaning then players like Amin, Maqsood, Mukhtar, Talat, Aga, Hammad shouldn’t sit out to accommodate 3/4 grafters in T20.
 
Karan Akmal has been given too many chances, he might be performing in domestic cricket but fails at the international stage which we have seen time and again.
 
MMHS said:
My post is for a different purpose, against reply to Abdullah.

Read the title and read my post - it’s actually a devil’s advocacy of why not (inzi’ll say why I shouldn’t call back).

Team should be picked on future plan & PAK’s future plan is 2020 WC (already No. 1 ranked, therefore realistic target should be next WC). In that regard, Kamran shouldn’t be part of any squad, because he is unfit, over weight & pushing 40. My post was for one off very next match - you should have understood that from Sharjeel & Aga Salman’s name. I don’t think, I picked anyone over 30 apart from Malik (& Sarfraz) for the squad of NZ & Kamran still was in my team of tournament before this 150*.

However, having said that, Sarfraz is a misfit in T20 XI - if he continues, he should bat at 4 or even as opener (in that case Babar might miss out). If this tournament has any meaning then players like Amin, Maqsood, Mukhtar, Talat, Aga, Hammad shouldn’t sit out to accommodate 3/4 grafters in T20.
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Fair enough, but even for one match, why would you select someone who is a failure at the international level. Sharjeel would be great while agha has shown potential so would be worthy selections.

Absolutely agree about Sarfaraz, he is completely out of place and given the grafters we already have in the team, he ideally shouldnt be playing. But he does bring brilliant captaincy and pakistan right now have the luxury of three good allrounders plus amir and hasans batting so can accomodate this.
 
Say anything , but the Akmal Bros are the best attackers of pace in Pakistan.
 
Not a fan of Akmals, but Kami surely is a good hitter of pace and spin when he is in form.
 
asfandyar said:
Replace one of the above with "was" and "playing in domestics" respectively.
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Apart from the 4 t20is and 3 ODI's in West Indies, he hasnt featured in International side for 3 years. Not defending him, but he plays some good shots when in form esp in t20is. But his fitness and fielding is a big big concern.
 
Funny how merit goes down the drain if the player putting in the performances is not a fan favourite.
 
Bilal7 said:
Funny how merit goes down the drain if the player putting in the performances is not a fan favourite.
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Funny how you think domestic performance alone should be the criteria for selection...

The reason he isn't a fan favourite is that even his biggest supporters realised what an awful player he is and has built a career of doing well in domestics despite showing no improvements in his game, getting selected, flopping and being dropped. Repeat cycle.

On merit, he should not have played half the matches he played for pakistan. But I'm sure you won't actually have a reply to this like the rest of his few remaining deluded supporters.
 
Bilal7 said:
Funny how merit goes down the drain if the player putting in the performances is not a fan favourite.
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because he is close to 40, has a history of flopping in his comebacks to internationals after great domestics, and the glaring fact that T20s are to test youngsters, let oldies play these leagues, T20 have lesser values so even if youngsters fail then its no big deal, can also build the hitting power of our youngsters and we are desperately lacking that in this era.
 
Forum363 said:
Funny how you think domestic performance alone should be the criteria for selection...

The reason he isn't a fan favourite is that even his biggest supporters realised what an awful player he is and has built a career of doing well in domestics despite showing no improvements in his game, getting selected, flopping and being dropped. Repeat cycle.

On merit, he should not have played half the matches he played for pakistan. But I'm sure you won't actually have a reply to this like the rest of his few remaining deluded supporters.
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Firstly, I am not one of his supporters.

Secondly, what else do you judge a domestic cricketer on, if not his domestic numbers?

Kamran hasn't done enough to force his way back into the team but if he keeps scoring runs then he most definitely deserves to be a part of the national team, whether the fans like it or not.

CricFan2012 said:
because he is close to 40, has a history of flopping in his comebacks to internationals after great domestics, and the glaring fact that T20s are to test youngsters, let oldies play these leagues, T20 have lesser values so even if youngsters fail then its no big deal, can also build the hitting power of our youngsters and we are desperately lacking that in this era.
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IT20s do not simply exist to test youngsters. If this was the case we would have wasted the potential of some of our best players of this decade, namely Misbah and Ajmal.

His age should not be an issue either, Misbah was selected back in 2010 and we all know what happened next. It is time Pakistani fans stop obsessing over the ages of the players and judge them solely on merit.

I personally do not want Kamran in the team and agree that he'll probably end up flopping at the international level again but it is funny to see how people hate on the selectors for not selecting guys like Fawad and Sadaf on one hand, but plead that the selectors do not select Kamran or Butt either.

There are plenty of non-merit based reasons for not selecting Sadaf and Fawad, just like there are plenty of non-merit based reasons to not select Kamran and Butt.
 
Bilal7 said:
Firstly, I am not one of his supporters.

Secondly, what else do you judge a domestic cricketer on, if not his domestic numbers?

Kamran hasn't done enough to force his way back into the team but if he keeps scoring runs then he most definitely deserves to be a part of the national team, whether the fans like it or not.



IT20s do not simply exist to test youngsters. If this was the case we would have wasted the potential of some of our best players of this decade, namely Misbah and Ajmal.

His age should not be an issue either, Misbah was selected back in 2010 and we all know what happened next. It is time Pakistani fans stop obsessing over the ages of the players and judge them solely on merit.

I personally do not want Kamran in the team and agree that he'll probably end up flopping at the international level again but it is funny to see how people hate on the selectors for not selecting guys like Fawad and Sadaf on one hand, but plead that the selectors do not select Kamran or Butt either.

There are plenty of non-merit based reasons for not selecting Sadaf and Fawad, just like there are plenty of non-merit based reasons to not select Kamran and Butt.
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Ajmal was a chucker and Misbah was average at best in LOI. They wasted years of other deserving crickets, Misbah with his TTFs and Ajmal blocking young spinners with his chucking.

So your argument doesn't hold.
 
Bilal7 said:
Firstly, I am not one of his supporters.

Secondly, what else do you judge a domestic cricketer on, if not his domestic numbers?

Kamran hasn't done enough to force his way back into the team but if he keeps scoring runs then he most definitely deserves to be a part of the national team, whether the fans like it or not.



IT20s do not simply exist to test youngsters. If this was the case we would have wasted the potential of some of our best players of this decade, namely Misbah and Ajmal.

His age should not be an issue either, Misbah was selected back in 2010 and we all know what happened next. It is time Pakistani fans stop obsessing over the ages of the players and judge them solely on merit.

I personally do not want Kamran in the team and agree that he'll probably end up flopping at the international level again but it is funny to see how people hate on the selectors for not selecting guys like Fawad and Sadaf on one hand, but plead that the selectors do not select Kamran or Butt either.

There are plenty of non-merit based reasons for not selecting Sadaf and Fawad, just like there are plenty of non-merit based reasons to not select Kamran and Butt.
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What do you judge a cricketer on if not his domestic numbers? How about maybe using a bit of your brain. You said you arent his fan, but hopefully you have some basic cricketing knowledge.

Has this player been given countless chances before when performing very well at domestic? Yes. Has he been able to replicate that at international level? No, hes been awful. Has he been given enough chances? Yes, hes played hundreds of international matches. Has there been an improvement in his game, technique, fitness, footwork etc to suggest he will be better this time? No. Is he a young player who will be a long term investment for Pak? No, he is on the wrong side of 35.
 
Forum363 said:
What do you judge a cricketer on if not his domestic numbers? How about maybe using a bit of your brain. You said you arent his fan, but hopefully you have some basic cricketing knowledge.

Has this player been given countless chances before when performing very well at domestic? Yes. Has he been able to replicate that at international level? No, hes been awful. Has he been given enough chances? Yes, hes played hundreds of international matches. Has there been an improvement in his game, technique, fitness, footwork etc to suggest he will be better this time? No. Is he a young player who will be a long term investment for Pak? No, he is on the wrong side of 35.
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Pretty much this.I completely agree.
 
I was actually supporting his recall to the team when it last happened earlier this year but having looked at him in the international circuit again, it was clear as daylight that he hadn't returned to the international scene with a better batting technique and mindset.

I don't think there has ever been doubts about his hitting ability. He's one of the best in the country and when in flow would actually be an incredible pick for Pakistan. However his consistency in the international arena is lot to be desired and while he has put his name forward for selection in glowing terms right now, I am also on the side of those who think he shouldn't be recalled. We are going to go around in circles so we might as well look to invest in a young player. Plus the less said about Kamran's fielding the better. We cannot afford to have him in the outfield. We can however afford to have him as a keeper but then Sarfraz picks himself as the captain of the team and unfortunately his outfielding is horrible as well.
 
Forum363 said:
What do you judge a cricketer on if not his domestic numbers? How about maybe using a bit of your brain. You said you arent his fan, but hopefully you have some basic cricketing knowledge.

Has this player been given countless chances before when performing very well at domestic? Yes. Has he been able to replicate that at international level? No, hes been awful. Has he been given enough chances? Yes, hes played hundreds of international matches. Has there been an improvement in his game, technique, fitness, footwork etc to suggest he will be better this time? No. Is he a young player who will be a long term investment for Pak? No, he is on the wrong side of 35.
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Kamran has generally been a good T20 player. Looks like you're the one not using their brain. Not surprising, seeing how your hypocrisy is being exposed.

If you would care to read, age does not matter; performances do. There definitely has been an improvement in Kamran's form, he's been hitting the ball cleaner than he has over the last few years.

However, he has to do more in order to earn a recall.
 
CricFan2012 said:
Ajmal was a chucker and Misbah was average at best in LOI. They wasted years of other deserving crickets, Misbah with his TTFs and Ajmal blocking young spinners with his chucking.

So your argument doesn't hold.
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You're deluded if you think those two had anything but a positive effect on Pakistan cricket.
 
Bilal7 said:
Kamran has generally been a good T20 player. Looks like you're the one not using their brain. Not surprising, seeing how your hypocrisy is being exposed.

If you would care to read, age does not matter; performances do. There definitely has been an improvement in Kamran's form, he's been hitting the ball cleaner than he has over the last few years.

However, he has to do more in order to earn a recall.
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Averaing 20 at a 119 strike rate despite being given many chances at the top of the innings is not 'generally good'. Please do explain how I am being hypocritical?

I can read but just because you say it again, doesnt make it true. Age does matter. Are you saying if a 40 year old player with many international matches under his belt makes 100 runs in a match, and in the same match, a 19 year old guy makes 70 runs, no matter what, the older player should be selected? If so, then theres no point arguing with you any further,

My point is simple. Runs scored at domestic is ONE of the criteria for selection. Age, technique, temperament, fitness etc should also be considered.

I actually laughed when I read that there has been an improvement in his form. So he hasn't developed as a player, but he is in better form now compared to the hundreds of matches hes played before at the international level. Hm interesting how this form wasn't evident against the West Indies when he was selected for 6 matches in a row (3 T20s).
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]-

Can you please add a poll with Yes - No option only? Should KAkmal be part of NZ T20 squad? If possible, please keep the voter identity hidden.
 
Kamran Akmal:

  • Proven below average Keeper
  • Proven worst International fielder
  • Cannot lead at Domestic let alone International Level

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/41028.html

(International T20 Record):

  1. T20 Games: 58
  2. Strike Rate: 119.63
  3. Average: 21
  4. Highest Score: 73
  5. 50s: 5
  6. 100s: 0

(Domestic T20 Record):

  1. T20 Games: 209
  2. Strike Rate: 130.73
  3. Average: 26.46
  4. Highest Score: 150
  5. 50s: 31
  6. 100s: 3

Sarfaraz Ahmed :

(International T20 Record):

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/227760.html

  1. T20 Games: 35
  2. Strike Rate: 116.71
  3. Average: 26.06
  4. Highest Score: 76
  5. 50s: 2
  6. 100s: 0

(Domestic T20 Record):

  1. T20 Games: 137
  2. Strike Rate: 126.06
  3. Average: 26.63
  4. Highest Score: 76
  5. 50s: 8
  6. 100s: 0

  • Proven above average to Keeper
  • Proven leader at Domestic let alone International Level

What does Kamran Akmal provide to Pakistan at International Level?
 
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