IPL franchise owners openly being allowed to discriminate in non-Indian leagues?

[rpant_gabba]

I think a lot of Indians, including me, will admit this entire boycott of Pakistani players in every league is obviously childish and petty. I wouldn't go so far as to call it blackballing since there's no pressure on non-Indian teams to not select them but yes it's wrong to take this boycott to foreign leagues.

The fact remains though that picking Pakistani players for Indian owners is high-risk/low reward equation

On the risk side

1. They risk a backlash from right-wing Indian fans. It'll be a social media storm in a teacup but still annoying nevertheless

2. The backlash could get worse if some old social media post from the selected player is dug up. Already a lot of players are persona non-grata. Can you imagine the backlash if an Indian team picked Haris Rauf for example after he mocked crashing Indian planes? Who know which has said something in some forum or some post somewhere. I know I wouldn't want my posts on this forum to be dug up if I ever had a background check from a Pakistani company (and I'm a pretty mild guy)

3. The actual discrimination is difficult to prove and the punishment, if any, when discovered is likely to be light

As far as the reward is concerned, it's not like any of the Pakistani players are Travis Head level superstars who'll make a fundamental difference to the fortunes of a team.

Now that's just cruel. I like it.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Full credit to our cricket Board who are making sure Politics and Sport cannot mix.

Pakistan players will not be excluded from Hundred, insist ECB and all teams

The ECB and all eight of The Hundred teams have insisted the competition is ‘inclusive and open to all’ amid claims Pakistan players could be frozen out by the Indian-owned franchises

www.theguardian.com

 

[cricketjoshila]

@cricketjoshila but Sarr!!!

No one will openly say we wil bend the law but they bend it

 

[cricketjoshila]

he ECB knows that The Hundred is a loss-making product in the UK. Its only path to profitability is the "India Premium."
The ECB Regulator can issue all the "warnings" they want for the March 12 auction, but they are highly unlikely to actually punish the owners. Doing so would be financial suicide—they would be burning the very bridge thaT is their survival

 

[Red-Indian]

Are we really going to pretend this is a semantics debate about NOCs? Yes, the PCB has used NOCs as leverage before, but they are well-aware of the repercussions of doing such a thing now and would not be pulling Pakistani players from a league like The Hundred if they were picked - unless ofcourse it was a case of national duty... and even that would be for a limited window. They pulled player NOCs before the BBL too, mainly as a cheap scare tactic directed at the players, but fell right in line when it came time for the tournament to begin.

Let's not act like this is what it's about. This is about India and Indians finding more ways to blackball Pakistani players from franchise T20 leagues. I think Indian posters on this forum should have the courage to call a spade a spade instead of making lame excuses, and being apologists for their government at every turn. The Indian government could blow up children's orphanage with a bazooka and some posters here would be telling us how it wasn't a bazooka, but a rocket launcher... and how it was a 'controlled detonation'.

England is not South Africa. It is home to one of the largest British-Pakistani populations in the world. Cities that host Hundred teams - Birmingham, Manchester, London - have deep-rooted South Asian cricket audiences. From a pure business perspective, Pakistani players are an asset in that environment. You can't just sideline Pakistani players and not expect people to speak up.

Also I should say that the while the risk of withdrawals and denial of NOC is not very high, it's not non-existent. Let's say there's a terrorist incident - minor or major in the next couple of months and Sanjiv Goenka (I think he's one of the owners...maybe Manchester) issues some inflammatory statement against Pakistan. It's not unrealistic...a lot of these guys do when they want to seem extra patriotic on their Social Media. Would it be still realistic to expect any Pakistani players, if selected, to play for his team or for the PCB to give them an NOC to play?

Overall I can see the Indian teams just thinking it's not worth the hassle and placing an unrealistic base fee bid or two to maintain appearances.

 

[Devadwal]

@Rana be like ye dard kyu khatam ni hota de deva. Everywhere he is getting phainta.

 

[Rana]

he ECB knows that The Hundred is a loss-making product in the UK. Its only path to profitability is the "India Premium."
The ECB Regulator can issue all the "warnings" they want for the March 12 auction, but they are highly unlikely to actually punish the owners. Doing so would be financial suicide—they would be burning the very bridge thaT is their survival

Financial suicide or whatever

Racism and discrimination has no place in the UK! Get this in your thick head.

 

[Ball Blazer]

will only come to know when their words will meet action

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026567347931345351

 

[Devadwal]

will only come to know when their words will meet action

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026567347931345351

"They won't pick any players from Pakistan because they are useless.

Because you are not eligible for selection based on your performance, so where is the racism in that?

 

[Rana]

will only come to know when their words will meet action

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026567347931345351

Why do they have an elephant in their logo? Is Manchester known for Elephands?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think a lot of Indians, including me, will admit this entire boycott of Pakistani players in every league is obviously childish and petty. I wouldn't go so far as to call it blackballing since there's no pressure on non-Indian teams to not select them but yes it's wrong to take this boycott to foreign leagues.

The fact remains though that picking Pakistani players for Indian owners is high-risk/low reward equation

On the risk side

1. They risk a backlash from right-wing Indian fans. It'll be a social media storm in a teacup but still annoying nevertheless

2. The backlash could get worse if some old social media post from the selected player is dug up. Already a lot of players are persona non-grata. Can you imagine the backlash if an Indian team picked Haris Rauf for example after he mocked crashing Indian planes? Who know which has said something in some forum or some post somewhere. I know I wouldn't want my posts on this forum to be dug up if I ever had a background check from a Pakistani company (and I'm a pretty mild guy)

3. The actual discrimination is difficult to prove and the punishment, if any, when discovered is likely to be light

As far as the reward is concerned, it's not like any of the Pakistani players are Travis Head level superstars who'll make a fundamental difference to the fortunes of a team.

Yes, we are all well-aware of the semantics and real-world political realities. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about what's right and wrong.

It is one thing for India to decide that Pakistani players will not participate in the IPL. That is entirely understandable. But attempting to extend that exclusion into foreign leagues is an entirely different matter and not right, as you would agree. These competitions are governed by their own boards, commercial structures, and regulatory frameworks. They are not subsidiaries of the IPL, nor are they obliged to mirror India's political positions. There is no legitimate basis for anyone to dictate who the teams in those leagues may or may not sign based on a pleyer's nationality, even if they are owned by Indian owners.

On top of that, the so-called 'shadow ban' is not even consistent to begin with. Pakistani players have participated in the CPL for IPL-linked teams like Trinabago Knight Riders. Usman Tariq just featured for them last season. If such participation is tolerated in one context, what is the basis for objecting to it in a different context?

Global tournaments operate within their own commercial and sporting ecosystems. The idea that participation in an overseas competition requires ideological approval from social media commentators is neither realistic nor reasonable.

And frankly, are we really suggesting that the largest democracy in the world is so institutionally fragile that it must appease a handful of nameless, faceless trolls, whether online or shouting on the streets?

Pakistani players featuring in The Hundred has little to do with any of them being Travis Head–level superstars. In fact The Hundred itself does not consistently attract players of that caliber. What it does have, however, is a substantial British-Pakistani demographic that represents both a commercial and cultural opportunity. Engaging that audience is just good business because it affects viewership, ticket sales, and community connection - all areas the organizers want this tournament to grow in.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why do they have an elephant in their logo? Is Manchester known for Elephands?

Yeah that;s pretty stupid. The least you could do is adapt the logo to the city you are representing. For instance the Royals added a mountain range to the team logo for Paarl Royals. The Capitals switched the tiger in the Delhi Capitals logo for a lion in the Pretoria Capitals logo. This though is just lazy and stupid.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Global tournaments operate within their own commercial and sporting ecosystems. The idea that participation in an overseas competition requires ideological approval from social media commentators is neither realistic nor reasonable.

Do they? Becos If they did, they wouldn't be chasing after IPL owners and scheduling matches catering to Indian timezones.

And frankly, are we really suggesting that the largest democracy in the world is so institutionally fragile that it must appease a handful of nameless, faceless trolls, whether online or shouting on the streets?

Once again you are resorting to a strawman. If any thing, this is democracy in action. The owners are welcome to make their choices and the public has the right to act against those choices and vote with their wallet. Does it have to with your lack understanding of what a democracy is?

What it does have, however, is a substantial British-Pakistani demographic that represents both a commercial and cultural opportunity. Engaging that audience is just good business because it affects viewership, ticket sales, and community connection - all areas the organizers want this tournament to grow in.

the fan base whose support couldn't generate enough revenue for the Hundred that ECB had to resort to selling the teams to its former colony?

Not sure there is any economic value of the Britistani fanbase to the Hundred. If there is UK business would have scooped up the teams

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Until the Indian franchises actually buy Pakistani players, this is just lip service.

They can just not buy them and then later say, "They were not part of our plans" or "We were not interested in them".

 

[Red-Indian]

Yes, we are all well-aware of the semantics and real-world political realities. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about what's right and wrong.

It is one thing for India to decide that Pakistani players will not participate in the IPL. That is entirely understandable. But attempting to extend that exclusion into foreign leagues is an entirely different matter and not right, as you would agree. These competitions are governed by their own boards, commercial structures, and regulatory frameworks. They are not subsidiaries of the IPL, nor are they obliged to mirror India's political positions. There is no legitimate basis for anyone to dictate who the teams in those leagues may or may not sign based on a pleyer's nationality, even if they are owned by Indian owners.

On top of that, the so-called 'shadow ban' is not even consistent to begin with. Pakistani players have participated in the CPL for IPL-linked teams like Trinabago Knight Riders. Usman Tariq just featured for them last season. If such participation is tolerated in one context, what is the basis for objecting to it in a different context?

Global tournaments operate within their own commercial and sporting ecosystems. The idea that participation in an overseas competition requires ideological approval from social media commentators is neither realistic nor reasonable.

And frankly, are we really suggesting that the largest democracy in the world is so institutionally fragile that it must appease a handful of nameless, faceless trolls, whether online or shouting on the streets?

Pakistani players featuring in The Hundred has little to do with any of them being Travis Head–level superstars. In fact The Hundred itself does not consistently attract players of that caliber. What it does have, however, is a substantial British-Pakistani demographic that represents both a commercial and cultural opportunity. Engaging that audience is just good business because it affects viewership, ticket sales, and community connection - all areas the organizers want this tournament to grow in.

Maybe I'm wrong but I sense you understand the logic here but are (rightly) frustrated by it.

It's all very well to say giant corporations don't need to appease nameless, faceless trolls but we all very well know the age we live in. I don't know if you remember the story of a lady who made a slightly racist post as she was getting on a flight to Africa and landed several hours later to find out that it had caused a global uproar, she'd lost her job and was essentially unemployable in her field. Corporations have become increasingly risk averse in these matters. It is what it is.

Also while it's true that global tournaments operate within their own commercial and sporting ecosystems, the naming and other branding being adopted by these Indian owners suggest that they see these franchises as extensions of their IPL franchises rather than completely independent entities. Which is why a misstep at one of these might reflect on the larger parent brand.

In the end, I don't think these guys have some sinister plan to marginalise Pakistan and it's cricket. I find it tough to imagine the likes of the Ambanis & GMR group are particularly patriotic. As I said earlier, it's just not worth the risk for them on the offchance that a "Mumbai Indians London" team is suddenly going to get popular among British Pakistanis because they selected a Babar Azam.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Financial suicide or whatever

Racism and discrimination has no place in the UK! Get this in your thick head.

Go sue them and prove racism

 

[Rana]

Go sue them and prove racism

Kar ke dikhao pehle.

Karo apna India wala gand yahaan pehle.

 

[Varun]

Kar ke dikhao pehle.

Karo apna India wala gand yahaan pehle.

The one place besides Pakistan where the Indian owners won't even dare bid for a team, leave alone individual players, is Bangladesh.

Pakistani players are safe in the PSL and BPL.