IPL has done India more good than other comparable leagues for their countries - Why?

[KingKhanWC]

Look at the result of last t20s internations between two teams

Hint:- asiacup 2016
World t20 2014

# Facts

Now please look up the term 'bilateral series'. You doing great

 

[The_Odd_One]

I’m not convinced with any T20 league improving player skills. However, I have no doubt that IPL has improved the ability of Indian players to handle pressure better than anyone else.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don’t agree with BCCI’s stance of not playing bilateral cricket with Pakistan, but our players cannot walk in and out of the IPL based on how PCB is feeling.

I have already addressed this point in the post you replied to. Pakistan is not blameless, neither is India, but to Pakistan's credit they are prepared to move on, whereas a decade later Indian ultra nationalists are still bleating the same tune which you are.

"But..but...this happened then...what about THEN??!"

rinse and repeat forever and ever Amen.

On topic, yes IPL is a great grounding for top internationals to hone their skills. Pakistan will do well to keep pace with less access to top competition, but that makes the last performance against England all the more remarkable. Or perhaps you thought that was another fluke win against a major team which you predicted?

 

[Technics 1210]

Now please look up the term 'bilateral series'. You doing great

Yup, the pigeon holing of stats are hilarious, and reek of desperation too!

 

[Mamoon]

India does have to prove they are number 1 by playing Pakistan because Pakistan has a better H2H record with India. None of this matters anyway since you admit your logic and opinion favours India, heck any opinion as long as Pakistan is not praised or projected in positive light.

Your views are not only inconsistent, but hypocritical, and symptomatic of an individual who is an intellectual fraud suffering from dysthymia, insecurity, and hate. You will not admit it, but real Doctors can diagnose your suffering just by reading your online drivel.

From now on I will be referring you as Mogambo, Mogambo Mamoon, not because it has a ring to it, but because you are indeed, Mr. India.

For the record, hard line Indians preaching Hindutva are better men than you, and deserve more of my time on the forums. I may not agree with them, but at least they are not ashamed of their identity or creed and will defend their country rain, sleet, or shine.

The H2H means nothing now because we are not living in the 80s and 90s anymore. WI still have a better H2H against most sides, but that doesn’t mean that they are still better.

Pakistan is a pathetic Test team that cannot even beat Sri Lanka in UAE, and even New Zealand beat them there. They also couldn’t whitewash an Australia side without Smith.

If Pakistan were to play a Test series vs India in UAE or India, they will get pounded.

A top ranked side does not have to beat a 5th or 6th ranked side to prove its superiority. Yes, if Pakistan was ranked second or even third, you would have had a point.

Apart from the 2015-2016 period, Pakistan were no match for India in Test cricket at any point in this decade.

You can call me what you want, but I am not going to view things with green specs and speak with a green tongue - Yes I am a Pakistani, but I make no bones about the fact that Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust.

If patriotism means and defending your country means living in denial and convincing yourself that you are better when you are clearly not, then I am more than happy to say that I am not patriotic and I am not interested in defending my country.

 

[Mamoon]

I have already addressed this point in the post you replied to. Pakistan is not blameless, neither is India, but to Pakistan's credit they are prepared to move on, whereas a decade later Indian ultra nationalists are still bleating the same tune which you are.

"But..but...this happened then...what about THEN??!"

rinse and repeat forever and ever Amen.

On topic, yes IPL is a great grounding for top internationals to hone their skills. Pakistan will do well to keep pace with less access to top competition, but that makes the last performance against England all the more remarkable. Or perhaps you thought that was another fluke win against a major team which you predicted?

Pakistan are prepared to move on because boycotting India is no longer in their interest. They were deluded into thinking that the IPL will struggle without Pakistani players, but it just got bigger and bigger much to our disappointment and frustration.

We also played politics in the 80s and 90s and walked away from matches vs India when it was convenient for us, which is why we have no reason to complain when India is paying us back with interest.

 

[Technics 1210]

A top ranked side does not have to beat a 5th or 6th ranked side to prove its superiority. Yes, if Pakistan was ranked second or even third, you would have had a point.

This response is for the thread. If Pakistan were ranked second or third I may have a point, says Mamoon, but when he pointed out that Pakistan must prove their #1 (note Number 1, not second or third) T20 ranking by beating India (but India does not have to play Pakistan according to him), we are bestowed with the following response, which proves once again he doesn’t need help to undermine and make a tool of himself.

India is better than Pakistan, so they don’t have to beat us to prove their superiority. Similarly, they don’t have to beat us in a Test series to prove that they are number one.

He is just unreal, he is beyond entertainment now.

 

[docteurmanish]

V interesting discussion . As usual it seems pakistan fans seem to take t20 seriously

Most teams including india rest their top players and try out their new players for t20.

Washington sunder , Krunal Pandya for example . One or two match bilateral t20 not taken seriously

Number one concentration of most teams is tests . Then Odi . T20 is a league based format at best

However , pak if number one in ranking deserves it as they may have won consistently . But to be honest most people dont remember the last t20 World Cup champions . Or one prior to that..

Think everybody remembers the test no 1 and all the one day World Cup winners dating back to 1975

T20 is great entertainment but nobody is bothered who is no 1 in it .

For us Indians - test ranking matters most . Defeating Aussie in Aussie is a dream come true . South Africa will fall too sooner or later given india fast bowling riches

mamoon as usual is very wise . His words are correct . We dont care if u have no 1 ranking in t20 . Its a weird format . But kudos and more power to pak fans if they like that ranking so much . We are happy in ur happiness

No 1 test team india
No 2 odi team india
No one t20 league - Ipl

T20 - congrats to pak bros on doing well in one format . Unsure though how u lost 10 games in a row in odi .ur t20 success is not translating into odi or test greatness . Nor are pak t20 players in huge demand in t20 leagues . Think a Rashid khan is in greater demand then most pak players .

 

[Technics 1210]

This thread keeps getting better. Moments ago the IPL is bigger than the World Cup! Indians claiming T20 rankings mean nothing seem to forget the IPL is a T20 league! But no, T20 format is pointless as are the T20 rankings just because Pakistan is #1 )

Moreover, the with the IPL being better than the WC, ODI format will die a slow an ignominious death and will not matter in a few years, yet ODI rankings are now of importance to Indian fans. )

It's a great day to a PP user! )

 

[KingKhanWC]

V interesting discussion . As usual it seems pakistan fans seem to take t20 seriously

Most teams including india rest their top players and try out their new players for t20.

Washington sunder , Krunal Pandya for example . One or two match bilateral t20 not taken seriously

Number one concentration of most teams is tests . Then Odi . T20 is a league based format at best

However , pak if number one in ranking deserves it as they may have won consistently . But to be honest most people dont remember the last t20 World Cup champions . Or one prior to that..

Think everybody remembers the test no 1 and all the one day World Cup winners dating back to 1975

T20 is great entertainment but nobody is bothered who is no 1 in it .

For us Indians - test ranking matters most . Defeating Aussie in Aussie is a dream come true . South Africa will fall too sooner or later given india fast bowling riches

mamoon as usual is very wise . His words are correct . We dont care if u have no 1 ranking in t20 . Its a weird format . But kudos and more power to pak fans if they like that ranking so much . We are happy in ur happiness

No 1 test team india
No 2 odi team india
No one t20 league - Ipl

T20 - congrats to pak bros on doing well in one format . Unsure though how u lost 10 games in a row in odi .ur t20 success is not translating into odi or test greatness . Nor are pak t20 players in huge demand in t20 leagues . Think a Rashid khan is in greater demand then most pak players .

Most cricket fans do remember who won the T20 cup, you don't because it wasn't India.

Kohli, Dhoni, Dhawan, Sharma, and Bumrah your best players haven't played in recent T20 series? What are you even watching?

 

[Mamoon]

This response is for the thread. If Pakistan were ranked second or third I may have a point, says Mamoon, but when he pointed out that Pakistan must prove their #1 (note Number 1, not second or third) T20 ranking by beating India (but India does not have to play Pakistan according to him), we are bestowed with the following response, which proves once again he doesn’t need help to undermine and make a tool of himself.



He is just unreal, he is beyond entertainment now.

T20 rankings are not the same as Test rankings. Most teams don’t play their full-strength sides in bilateral T20s. However, that is not the case when it comes to Test rankings.

You have to be a very good Test side to be ranked in the top 3, which Pakistan were until 2016, before the wheels came off once we started our overseas cycle.

 

[Technics 1210]

Most cricket fans do remember who won the T20 cup, you don't because it wasn't India.

Kohli, Dhoni, Dhawan, Sharma, and Bumrah your best players haven't played in recent T20 series? What are you even watching?

Forget that, Indian fans are quick to point out India beat Pakistan in the inaugural WT20 tournament! But now they say T20is do not matter!

Utterly superb! So many knots in this thread it's just not funny, it is hilarious! )

 

[iPakistani]

T20 rankings are not the same as Test rankings. Most teams don’t play their full-strength sides in bilateral T20s. However, that is not the case when it comes to Test rankings.

You have to be a very good Test side to be ranked in the top 3, which Pakistan were until 2016, before the wheels came off once we started our overseas cycle.

It doesn't make it wrong that Pakistan play their full strength XI. We can only beat what's infront of us and we have done that.

 

[Technics 1210]

T20 rankings are not the same as Test rankings. Most teams don’t play their full-strength sides in bilateral T20s. However, that is not the case when it comes to Test rankings.

You have to be a very good Test side to be ranked in the top 3, which Pakistan were until 2016, before the wheels came off once we started our overseas cycle.

Even then, when Pakistan were #1 in Tests, India should have proved their Test ranking at the time by beating Pakistan, don't take my word for it, take you own words according to your post (85)

Keep it up bruv! Laughter is the best medicine! )

 

[Mamoon]

It doesn't make it wrong that Pakistan play their full strength XI. We can only beat what's infront of us and we have done that.

Yes but what was in-front of us wasn’t great. Anyway, as I told everyone before, it is only a matter of time before we get a reality check in T20s, and I think the wheels have started to come off. We have lost two series on a trot and more defeats are heading our way.

With the WT20 scheduled for next year, we can expect teams to play their stronger sides now, which means our ranking will take a hit.

 

[KingKhanWC]

T20 rankings are not the same as Test rankings. Most teams don’t play their full-strength sides in bilateral T20s. However, that is not the case when it comes to Test rankings.

You have to be a very good Test side to be ranked in the top 3, which Pakistan were until 2016, before the wheels came off once we started our overseas cycle.

India have played their best players inc Kohli, Sharma , Bumrah and others in their T20 series in recent years. At least do some research before making incorrect claims but only for your sake because I find it funny

 

[iPakistani]

Certain posters licking their lips just looking at the title of this thread, more praise for the IPL and a new way to put down the PSL and T20 cricket in general!

 

[Mamoon]

India have played their best players inc Kohli, Sharma , Bumrah and others in their T20 series in recent years. At least do some research before making incorrect claims but only for your sake because I find it funny

They have also rested them. The only time in the last two years Pakistan rested its main players were against Australia in the UAE ODI series.

 

[iPakistani]

Yes but what was in-front of us wasn’t great. Anyway, as I told everyone before, it is only a matter of time before we get a reality check in T20s, and I think the wheels have started to come off. We have lost two series on a trot and more defeats are heading our way.

With the WT20 scheduled for next year, we can expect teams to play their stronger sides now, which means our ranking will take a hit.

When that happens we will criticise the team, can't just unfairly criticise them over a ranking they've worked hard for, especially 11 series in a row!.

 

[Technics 1210]

This thread got bigger because you and a couple of Pak posters kept arguing relentlessly about IPL while the majority of Indian posters didn't give two hoots and ignored it and got busy celebrating their win against Aus. Anyways appreciate your interest in Indian cricket! Haters like you are the reason why these threads grow in size. Keep contributing to this forum's traffic and Ad revenue with your relentless rants and posts.

Oh come on now, you honestly do not want me to believe you do not care about the IPL? What are you posting in this thread for then?

Where were you when claims like IPL is bigger than the world cup were being discussed? Yo uagree to this statement don;t you? Or at least you would like it to be true.

Anyway, this thread is more about exposing nonsensical claims vis-a-vis Pakistan and the IPL. If you have anything to contribute the please do, otherwise enjoy your victory today, and I appreciate your interest in Pakistani cricket on a Pakistani forum (see what I did here?).

 

[KingKhanWC]

They have also rested them. The only time in the last two years Pakistan rested its main players were against Australia in the UAE ODI series.

Again do your research India have been playing their best players for years. resting one here and there is the norm for all nations.

 

[Mamoon]

Even then, when Pakistan were #1 in Tests, India should have proved their Test ranking at the time by beating Pakistan, don't take my word for it, take you own words according to your post (85)

Keep it up bruv! Laughter is the best medicine! )

India needed to prove their number 1 ranking by beating Pakistan in September 2016, but it is not their problem that Pakistans went south and are now ranked 7th.

I have to say - our fans have very big mouths for a team that is ranked 7th in Tests and 6th in ODIs.

We need to hang our heads in shame and hide in a corner instead of running our mouths against superior sides.

If Pakistan was ranked 1st and 2nd in Tests and ODIs like India, and India were ranked 7th and 6th, we would be trolling India 24/7.

I think Indian fans are quite gracious. They dont troll and mock us as much as they should.

 

[Mamoon]

Again do your research India have been playing their best players for years. resting one here and there is the norm for all nations.

Not for Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

India needed to prove their number 1 ranking by beating Pakistan in September 2016, but it is not their problem that Pakistans went south and are now ranked 7th.
.

You mean its not Pakistan's problem that India refuse to play Pakistan, meaning even if Pakistan stayed in the top 3 Test rankings, India would still not have played Pakistan to prove their test ranking worth. Simply, your point is moot!

 

[Mamoon]

You mean its not Pakistan's problem that India refuse to play Pakistan, meaning even if Pakistan stayed in the top 3 Test rankings, India would still not have played Pakistan to prove their test ranking worth. Simply, your point is moot!

If Pakistan had stayed in the top 3 since 2016, the notion that India needs to beat us to solidify their ranking would have had merit.

However, for now, we should worry about Sri Lanka and New Zealand pulling our pants down in our rented home before worrying about India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not for Pakistan.

How can they rest players against Pakistan when they refuse to play them )

More please.

 

[Energy]

It's not just the IPL. What BCCI have strategically done is carved a long 'home season' - almost 5-6 months. Similar to England and Australia. When you have such long home seasons, invariably you will better stats, better win-rates and better ranking.

IPL is a cherry on the top.

 

[Mamoon]

How can they rest players against Pakistan when they refuse to play them )

More please.

You said resting players is the norm for every team, and I said that not for Pakistan. I hope you get it now.

 

[indianpanacea]

India is using IPL to its benefit while pakistan is playing PSL just to counter IPL...No sense and logic in PSL...Either 3rd grade international players or retired bunch of players playing in PSL..Absolute rubbish and disgrace,it would have been better to limit 2 foreign players per match...and instead play local talent..Almost every team has first 3-4 batters as foreign players...Then how on earth are you going to create domestic talented batting pool?I guess following caveat be introduced
Every team must have openers as local ....
Every team must have a wicketkeeper as local
None of the teams should have 2 successive batters from foreigner quota
Psl should completely shift to pakistan and UAE pitches be avoided

 

[KingKhanWC]

You said resting players is the norm for every team, and I said that not for Pakistan. I hope you get it now.

Pakistan have rested/rotated players too. Again look at the recent T20 series for India, your main players were playing unless you can point me to one series where India played a B team?

India won't play Pakistan but are still better because they play their best players and take the format seriously ? Is this what you are saying?

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan have rested/rotated players too. Again look at the recent T20 series for India, your main players were playing unless you can point me to one series where India played a B team?

India won't play Pakistan but are still better because they play their best players and take the format seriously ? Is this what you are saying?

India played their B team in a T20 tri-series against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka last year. Pakistan have regularly played their main team in T20s during their unbeaten run.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India played their B team in a T20 tri-series against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka last year. Pakistan have regularly played their main team in T20s during their unbeaten run.

When did India play Sri Lanka last year in 2018? Please post the team too.

 

[Mamoon]

When did India play Sri Lanka last year in 2018? Please post the team too.

March 2018. India won the tri-series by beating Bangladesh in the final.

This was India’s squad:

Rohit, Dhawan, Chahal, Hooda, Karthik, Manish, Pant, Axar, Rahul, Raina, Shankar, Siraj, Sundar, Thakur, Unadkat.

That squad has about 8-9 fringe players and a completely rookie bowling attack except Chahal.

When was the last time Pakistan fielded a T20 squad with 8-9 reserve players and a newbie attack?

 

[KingKhanWC]

March 2018. India won the tri-series by beating Bangladesh in the final.

This was India’s squad:

Rohit, Dhawan, Chahal, Hooda, Karthik, Manish, Pant, Axar, Rahul, Raina, Shankar, Siraj, Sundar, Thakur, Unadkat.

That squad has about 8-9 fringe players and a completely rookie bowling attack except Chahal.

When was the last time Pakistan fielded a T20 squad with 8-9 reserve players and a newbie attack?

I asked regarding Sri Lanka. Try again.

 

[Mamoon]

I asked regarding Sri Lanka. Try again.

What do you mean? India played a tri-series with Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. That is what I was referring to.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What do you mean? India played a tri-series with Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. That is what I was referring to.

You wrote India played Sri Lanka last year and also made it clear they played their B team. So just type the dates of last for the Sri Lanka games and show the B team.

 

[The_Odd_One]

T20 rankings are not the same as Test rankings. Most teams don’t play their full-strength sides in bilateral T20s. However, that is not the case when it comes to Test rankings.

You have to be a very good Test side to be ranked in the top 3, which Pakistan were until 2016, before the wheels came off once we started our overseas cycle.

India does not need to beat Pakistan in tests and ODIs because India is an elite team across all formats. India is ranked #1 and #2 in tests and ODIs. Pakistan is almost a minnow team in both of these formats. India has beaten far better teams than Pakistan, so beating Pakistan has no significance for India. For the same reason, they don’t even take their World Cup matches with Pakistan seriously anymore.

Pakistan is ranked #1 in the weakest format of the game in which rankings are highly volatile and most teams don’t even field their first choice playing XI. India is arguably the best T20 team in the world and hence, Pakistan’s #1 T20 ranking requires justification by beating India. Otherwise, it’s just an anomaly in their overall poor record.

India is a cricket superpower, the best team across all formats. Pakistan on the other hand is like West Indies, a team living off its past glory but an average to mediocre team in this era, capable of beating top teams only on their bad days.

India does not need to beat Pakistan to prove anything just like no team needs to beat Pakistan in the UAE. India is the most prestigious team and host country to beat in world cricket today.

 

[Mamoon]

You wrote India played Sri Lanka last year and also made it clear they played their B team. So just type the dates of last for the Sri Lanka games and show the B team.

This is what I wrote:

“India played their B team in a T20 tri-series against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka last year.”

What does a T20 tri-series against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka mean in English?

Do you understand the meaning of the word “tri-series”?

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is what I wrote:

“India played their B team in a T20 tri-series against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka last year.”

What does a T20 tri-series against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka mean in English?

Do you understand the meaning of the word “tri-series”?

Just wanted to be clear which matches you were referring to but ok.

Tri series was held in 17/18 so not all matches were last year.

Now post the scorecards v Lanka and show me the B team XI.

 

[Mamoon]

Just wanted to be clear which matches you were referring to but ok.

Tri series was held in 17/18 so not all matches were last year.

Now post the scorecards v Lanka and show me the B team XI.

No, it was in 2018 and all the matches were thus in 2018.

It was called the Nidahas Trophy and it was played between March 6 and March 18, 2018.

I have already posted the squad. India went with 8-9 fringe players and a rookie attack.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

IPL just gives exposure to lesser known players, it doesn't have much effect on cricketers regarding ability or handling pressure. India is strong because their domestic cricket is very strong. There are far more IPL failures than success. The good ones were already good, IPL just brought them into fame.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, it was in 2018 and all the matches were thus in 2018.

It was called the Nidahas Trophy and it was played between March 6 and March 18, 2018.

I have already posted the squad. India went with 8-9 fringe players and a rookie attack.

Resting a couple of payers isn't a B team. I know you haven't played sport but a B team is players who won't be selected for the first XI. Kohli and Bumrah have played plenty of T20 matches. Your argument is weak.

 

[Technics 1210]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], a man of many words, is now lost for words when posited with this question :

Do you think the T20 format is pointless or important for cricket?

I can sense his predicament. On one hand he would like to say T20s are important, because it will support his view that the IPL is bigger and better than the WC. On the other hand, he would like to say T20s are pointless, because Pakistan are #1 in T20 rankings.

Between a rock and a hard with no place to run.

Checkmate

 

[Mamoon]

Resting a couple of payers isn't a B team. I know you haven't played sport but a B team is players who won't be selected for the first XI. Kohli and Bumrah have played plenty of T20 matches. Your argument is weak.

Playing 8-9 fringe players and a completely rookie attack is not equivalent to 'resting a couple of players'.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], a man of many words, is now lost for words when posited with this question :

Do you think the T20 format is pointless or important for cricket?

I can sense his predicament. On one hand he would like to say T20s are important, because it will support his view that the IPL is bigger and better than the WC. On the other hand, he would like to say T20s are pointless, because Pakistan are #1 in T20 rankings.

Between a rock and a hard with no place to run.

Checkmate

I wasn't going to reply but I don't want you celebrating your fake victory either. Your question does not pose any predicament - T20 format is very important for cricket, but T20 rankings don't mean much because teams don't usually play their best teams. If Pakistan and India face-off in a T20 series with full-strength teams, I have no doubt in my mind that India will convincingly beat us.

 

[Abdullah719]

Deleted a whole load of off-topic nonsense and personal comments.

It's a busy World Cup season and we have a lot to deal with. Kindly fix your posting style(s) otherwise bans will follow.

Thanks.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Playing 8-9 fringe players and a completely rookie attack is not equivalent to 'resting a couple of players'.

B team is not the fist XI. List the XI and show me which players are not first XI players. Seems you can't.

 

[Technics 1210]

IPL may be the best and most corrupt T20 franchise league in the world, but IPL is not necessary to be develop the game, as proven by Pakistan's performance in ICC comps since 2009, and of course Pakistan's T20 #1 ranking. Regardless of what IPL sycophants believe, IPL is not bigger, or better, or of higher quality compared to the WC and ODI/Test format. It is simply an entertainment tamasha league (just like ALL T20 franchise leagues).

 

[Technics 1210]

I wasn't going to reply but I don't want you celebrating your fake victory either. Your question does not pose any predicament - T20 format is very important for cricket, but T20 rankings don't mean much because teams don't usually play their best teams. If Pakistan and India face-off in a T20 series with full-strength teams, I have no doubt in my mind that India will convincingly beat us.

So being top rank in a format that is important for the future of the game, is what, not important?

Oh I didn't ask you about Pakistan / India face off, I just asked you about the importance of the T20 format. So please save your Indian sycophancy.

I have no doubt in my mind you would claim T20 ranks are important had India been number #1. You would be claiming how the IPL has helped India propel to the highest rank in international T20 cricket etc etc. You know I am 100% correct.

 

[Kriketer]

No it doesn't. IPL forever will remain a mickey mouse tournament. So many years of IPL and yet they are packed with trundlers after trundlers (ya don't bother mentioning Bumrah, he's only 1 in billion). The fact is Indian batting was always formidable in the past and present, atleast past one could stand up against vicious bowlers on bowling friendly wicket, while the new Indian side just plays mostly at home on flat pans, any wicket assisting fast bowlers and they fall like house of cards.

 

[Kriketer]

I wasn't going to reply but I don't want you celebrating your fake victory either. Your question does not pose any predicament - T20 format is very important for cricket, but T20 rankings don't mean much because teams don't usually play their best teams. If Pakistan and India face-off in a T20 series with full-strength teams, I have no doubt in my mind that India will convincingly beat us.

Simply laughable. India can never beat Pakistan easily in T20 atleast, regardless who plays for India. You are biased and anything positive related to Pakistan is something you simply struggle with. I am yet to come across a post where you say anything positive about Pakistan, yet you don't stop revving about another third world poverty filled corrupt nation, which continues terrorism on innocent civilians and now daily spreads hatred against a specific religion. Don't want to take this thread off topic, but your bias and suffocation in Pakistan is quite obvious.

 

[Mamoon]

B team is not the fist XI. List the XI and show me which players are not first XI players. Seems you can't.

Rohit, Dhawan, Chahal, Hooda, Karthik, Manish, Pant, Axar, Rahul, Raina, Shankar, Siraj, Sundar, Thakur, Unadkat.

The ones in bold are not first XI players. Raina was in the past, but not anymore.

Although Pant and Shankar are not in the team at the moment, they are in and out and Pant will be a regular after the World Cup.

So that's 9 reserve players.

 

[Mamoon]

Simply laughable. India can never beat Pakistan easily in T20 atleast, regardless who plays for India. You are biased and anything positive related to Pakistan is something you simply struggle with. I am yet to come across a post where you say anything positive about Pakistan, yet you don't stop revving about another third world poverty filled corrupt nation, which continues terrorism on innocent civilians and now daily spreads hatred against a specific religion. Don't want to take this thread off topic, but your bias and suffocation in Pakistan is quite obvious.

Pakistan and India have played 8 T20s, and Pakistan have won only 1.

Forget about beating Pakistan easily. I think they can beat Pakistan in their sleep.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Rohit, Dhawan, Chahal, Hooda, Karthik, Manish, Pant, Axar, Rahul, Raina, Shankar, Siraj, Sundar, Thakur, Unadkat.

The ones in bold are not first XI players. Raina was in the past, but not anymore.

Although Pant and Shankar are not in the team at the moment, they are in and out and Pant will be a regular after the World Cup.

So that's 9 reserve players.

I’ve seen the scorecards the batsmen were players who would be considered for a T20 World Cup at that time . The bowlers were not but India didn’t have a large pool of bowlers .

It’s not a B team by any means .

There is no sensible argument to suggest India are a better T20 team . You’re entitled to your opinion but it’s biased & weak .

If there is any other Pak fan who ageees with you I’ll discuss , nothing more to say to you on this .?

 

[Technics 1210]

Pakistan and India have played 8 T20s, and Pakistan have won only 1.

Forget about beating Pakistan easily. I think they can beat Pakistan in their sleep.

Yet you do not believe India should play Pakistan in T20s so that Pakistan can prove they are worthy of their current T20 ranking, because you feel rankings are pointless even though the format is vital for the future of Cricket.

 

[mystical man]

No it doesn't. IPL forever will remain a mickey mouse tournament. So many years of IPL and yet they are packed with trundlers after trundlers (ya don't bother mentioning Bumrah, he's only 1 in billion). The fact is Indian batting was always formidable in the past and present, atleast past one could stand up against vicious bowlers on bowling friendly wicket, while the new Indian side just plays mostly at home on flat pans, any wicket assisting fast bowlers and they fall like house of cards.

This article was created by Adil and no one in India believes that IPL is responsible for the talent oozing out of the domestic structure and being honed and chiseled through the IPL that is all...

 

[Mamoon]

I’ve seen the scorecards the batsmen were players who would be considered for a T20 World Cup at that time . The bowlers were not but India didn’t have a large pool of bowlers .

It’s not a B team by any means .

There is no sensible argument to suggest India are a better T20 team . You’re entitled to your opinion but it’s biased & weak .

If there is any other Pak fan who ageees with you I’ll discuss , nothing more to say to you on this .?

This is the definition of a B team. If you want to be in denial, that is your problem. Secondly, you are wrong - these are not the players who would be considered for a WT20.

If there was a WT20 in 2018 or if there was one this year, India would most likely go with its current ODI XI except for Pant coming in for Jadhav.

 

[Mamoon]

Yet you do not believe India should play Pakistan in T20s so that Pakistan can prove they are worthy of their current T20 ranking, because you feel rankings are pointless even though the format is vital for the future of Cricket.

Actually I do want India to play Pakistan in T20s because we are in need of a reality check. Had India opted out of the Asia Cup, we would still be hearing that India is afraid to play Pakistan in an ODI series in the UAE, but then they came without Kohli and humiliated us.

 

[Sachin136]

I’ve seen the scorecards the batsmen were players who would be considered for a T20 World Cup at that time . The bowlers were not but India didn’t have a large pool of bowlers .

It’s not a B team by any means .

There is no sensible argument to suggest India are a better T20 team . You’re entitled to your opinion but it’s biased & weak .

If there is any other Pak fan who ageees with you I’ll discuss , nothing more to say to you on this .?

He pointed out 9 players who wouldn't be in the first team, but you still think that's not a B team. Do you just argue for the sake of arguing?

 

[The_Odd_One]

I’ve seen the scorecards the batsmen were players who would be considered for a T20 World Cup at that time . The bowlers were not but India didn’t have a large pool of bowlers .

It’s not a B team by any means .

There is no sensible argument to suggest India are a better T20 team . You’re entitled to your opinion but it’s biased & weak .

If there is any other Pak fan who ageees with you I’ll discuss , nothing more to say to you on this .?

Then why are they not regulars for India?

 

[KingKhanWC]

He pointed out 9 players who wouldn't be in the first team, but you still think that's not a B team. Do you just argue for the sake of arguing?

Ive explained, check the scorecards.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is the definition of a B team. If you want to be in denial, that is your problem. Secondly, you are wrong - these are not the players who would be considered for a WT20.

If there was a WT20 in 2018 or if there was one this year, India would most likely go with its current ODI XI except for Pant coming in for Jadhav.

B team is those who will not play for the A team. The players who played v Lanka were not all B team players, in fact all top 6 were A team. Don't use terminology you don't understand.

 

[Technics 1210]

Actually I do want India to play Pakistan in T20s because we are in need of a reality check. Had India opted out of the Asia Cup, we would still be hearing that India is afraid to play Pakistan in an ODI series in the UAE, but then they came without Kohli and humiliated us.

Here we go again, another change in opinion on the fly. Please re-read your responses in this thread, you have categorically stated that India doesn't need to play Pakistan to prove Pakistan's T20 ranking, now you claim India should play Pakistan because Pakistan need a reality check, and you also dismissed Pakistan's T20 ranking as pointless, now you are saying you want India to play Pakistan.

Now why did you mention the Asia Cup I wonder? Another stealth dig at Pakistan? What you missed is the fact Pakistan is prepared to play India, but India will not play Pakistan. Why don't you bless the BCCI/GoI with your relentless criticism for preventing India from playing Pakistan? No wait, let me guess, you will pin the excuse on Pakistan too.

I'll make it easy for you, India is afraid of playing Pakistan. All that money, powerhouse, heavyweight malarky is pure nonsense when India is afraid to play Pakistan. I wonder why India does not play Pakistan?

 

[UP]

Here we go again, another change in opinion on the fly. Please re-read your responses in this thread, you have categorically stated that India doesn't need to play Pakistan to prove Pakistan's T20 ranking, now you claim India should play Pakistan because Pakistan need a reality check, and you also dismissed Pakistan's T20 ranking as pointless, now you are saying you want India to play Pakistan.

Now why did you mention the Asia Cup I wonder? Another stealth dig at Pakistan? What you missed is the fact Pakistan is prepared to play India, but India will not play Pakistan. Why don't you bless the BCCI/GoI with your relentless criticism for preventing India from playing Pakistan? No wait, let me guess, you will pin the excuse on Pakistan too.

I'll make it easy for you, India is afraid of playing Pakistan. All that money, powerhouse, heavyweight malarky is pure nonsense when India is afraid to play Pakistan. I wonder why India does not play Pakistan?

The funny thing is Pak despite being a borderline minnow team has a close head to head record in ODI’s against Ind since 2003: 25-21.

This is India’s best chance to take revenge against Pak and actually improve their H2H record against us. We used to give a hiding to Indian team back in the day. Now its their turn and yet they refuse to play us. This is their best chance before tables turn again. What goes up, must come down.

 

[Technics 1210]

The funny thing is Pak despite being a borderline minnow team has a close head to head record in ODI’s against Ind since 2003: 25-21.

This is India’s best chance to take revenge against Pak and actually improve their H2H record against us. We used to give a hiding to Indian team back in the day. Now its their turn and yet they refuse to play us. This is their best chance before tables turn again. What goes up, must come down.

Absolutely. This is India's best opportunity not to just close the H2H gap, but to lead it. To be fair the ghosts of Anne Do series and CT17 continue to haunt India - so cannot blame them from wanting to avoid playing Pakistan.

 

[Pakpak]

Ireland would have scored 250 minimum. Watch the sport and not be brainwashed by Bollywood and you’ll realise this is obvious.

To be fair don't think this poster can realise anything obvious, he just called Mamoon's post sensible.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have already addressed this point in the post you replied to. Pakistan is not blameless, neither is India, but to Pakistan's credit they are prepared to move on, whereas a decade later Indian ultra nationalists are still bleating the same tune which you are.

"But..but...this happened then...what about THEN??!"

rinse and repeat forever and ever Amen.

On topic, yes IPL is a great grounding for top internationals to hone their skills. Pakistan will do well to keep pace with less access to top competition, but that makes the last performance against England all the more remarkable. Or perhaps you thought that was another fluke win against a major team which you predicted?

PCB is ready to move on because PCB is negatively affected.

Bcci OTOH isnt affected and isnt willing to do business with a board that in the last decade tried to sabotage the IPL,take awsy the WC from India,Sue BCCI etc etc.

Bcci wont allow pcb to have any leverage over Bcci.

 

[adil79]

The funny thing is Pak despite being a borderline minnow team has a close head to head record in ODI’s against Ind since 2003: 25-21.

This is India’s best chance to take revenge against Pak and actually improve their H2H record against us. We used to give a hiding to Indian team back in the day. Now its their turn and yet they refuse to play us. This is their best chance before tables turn again. What goes up, must come down.

They gain nothing by playing with us. They play against top giants in India and earn a lot more. India vs Australia matches have become more enthusiastic for their crowds, from what I have seen. Their internal politics & setup won't allow Pakistan in any sports till we won't improve our diplomatic ties. They are doing well without playing Pakistan, since they get the necessary exposure in IPL.

 

[adil79]

Absolutely. This is India's best opportunity not to just close the H2H gap, but to lead it. To be fair the ghosts of Anne Do series and CT17 continue to haunt India - so cannot blame them from wanting to avoid playing Pakistan.

They played with us in Asia Cup. We were dreaming of having three (03) matches against India, but we Bangladesh beat us as we were very poor in Asia Cup. In those two matches, India won without Kohli.

We were all out for 162 on the flat UAE deck in 40 overs and in another match we only scored 237 in 50 overs. They both won single handedly, as in one match they chased 162 inside 30 overs for loss of 2 wickets and in another they scored 238 inside 40 overs for loss of 1 wicket.

That happened last year in 2018. I think they also know that champions trophy defeat was rare instance. Had we been consistent or even competitive, things may have been different for us. This performance was quite a let down for our team, as we couldn't score against chahal & kuldeep. Even Bumrah, who i still don't rate much, got 2-3 wickets in each match.

That's why we need to improve ourselves first. They don't find any incentive against a pretty average team Pakistan. Who tumbles consistently at their homes, for low scores? Pakistan has been doing that and losing there.

 

[Technics 1210]

They played with us in Asia Cup. We were dreaming of having three (03) matches against India, but we Bangladesh beat us as we were very poor in Asia Cup. In those two matches, India won without Kohli.

We were all out for 162 on the flat UAE deck in 40 overs and in another match we only scored 237 in 50 overs. They both won single handedly, as in one match they chased 162 inside 30 overs for loss of 2 wickets and in another they scored 238 inside 40 overs for loss of 1 wicket.

That happened last year in 2018. I think they also know that champions trophy defeat was rare instance. Had we been consistent or even competitive, things may have been different for us. This performance was quite a let down for our team, as we couldn't score against chahal & kuldeep. Even Bumrah, who i still don't rate much, got 2-3 wickets in each match.

That's why we need to improve ourselves first. They don't find any incentive against a pretty average team Pakistan. Who tumbles consistently at their homes, for low scores? Pakistan has been doing that and losing there.

The point I was making was that Mamoon believes T20 is an important format for the future of cricket, but also says that T20 rankings are pointless because Pakistan is #1, but he also states because Pakistan and India do not play in any bilateral series, Pakistan's #1 T20 ranking isn't justified.

So either the argument is that India do not gain anything by playing Pakistan therefore Pakistan's ranking is justified (just like other teams do not play every member), or India should play Pakistan (at least in T20s) to test Pakistan's ranking. He cannot profess both.

 

[geraltofrivia]

No it doesn't. IPL forever will remain a mickey mouse tournament. So many years of IPL and yet they are packed with trundlers after trundlers (ya don't bother mentioning Bumrah, he's only 1 in billion). The fact is Indian batting was always formidable in the past and present, atleast past one could stand up against vicious bowlers on bowling friendly wicket, while the new Indian side just plays mostly at home on flat pans, any wicket assisting fast bowlers and they fall like house of cards.

lol shami is better than anything paksitan have produced in the last decade

 

[Mamoon]

B team is those who will not play for the A team. The players who played v Lanka were not all B team players, in fact all top 6 were A team. Don't use terminology you don't understand.

Lol. I have seen some massive attempts at straw clutching over the years, but this one is right up there. The point is that India played in the tai-series with a grand total of 9 reserve players. You can call them A team players or whatever - the fact is that India did not play its full-strength side.

You were ignorant of this fact, and you were also ignorant of the fact that they played a tri-series in 2018. Of course it is not a problem because you don't have to keep track of the Indian team, but when you are presented with facts, at least have the guts to admit instead of clutching at straws.

 

[Mamoon]

Here we go again, another change in opinion on the fly. Please re-read your responses in this thread, you have categorically stated that India doesn't need to play Pakistan to prove Pakistan's T20 ranking, now you claim India should play Pakistan because Pakistan need a reality check, and you also dismissed Pakistan's T20 ranking as pointless, now you are saying you want India to play Pakistan.

Now why did you mention the Asia Cup I wonder? Another stealth dig at Pakistan? What you missed is the fact Pakistan is prepared to play India, but India will not play Pakistan. Why don't you bless the BCCI/GoI with your relentless criticism for preventing India from playing Pakistan? No wait, let me guess, you will pin the excuse on Pakistan too.

I'll make it easy for you, India is afraid of playing Pakistan. All that money, powerhouse, heavyweight malarky is pure nonsense when India is afraid to play Pakistan. I wonder why India does not play Pakistan?

India does not need to play Pakistan because they don't have to prove anything. We are a rubbish team that is ranked 7th in Tests and 6th in ODIs. A team that is ranked in the top two in both Tests and ODIs has no business playing with us - we are simply not in the same league - they are a Premier League team and we are a Championship team.

However, I do wish that they play us because we are in need of another humbling. Our fans were rambling on after the Champions Trophy final that the tide has turned, but then the Asia Cup happened and they were quiet again. For a team that has pathetic rankings in Tests and ODIs, our mouths are too big.

The misplaced delusion that a top 2 team in Tests and ODIs is afraid of playing a mid-table team like Pakistan, that has been getting smashed left right for two years, is exactly the rotten mentality that stands between us and success.

 

[Mamoon]

The funny thing is Pak despite being a borderline minnow team has a close head to head record in ODI’s against Ind since 2003: 25-21.

This is India’s best chance to take revenge against Pak and actually improve their H2H record against us. We used to give a hiding to Indian team back in the day. Now its their turn and yet they refuse to play us. This is their best chance before tables turn again. What goes up, must come down.

Nothing is coming down. India have everything in place to remain a top 3 side for years to come. Sure players like Kohli etc. will not come again and again, but they do have the resources to remain one of the top sides instead of stooping to Pakistan's mediocre level.

If India really cared about the H2H, they could have played Pakistan in a bilateral series every year and put this H2H to rest. The only reason why we are still ahead in H2H is because we have played only one series with India in the 2010 decade.

Also, the tide didn't turn in 2003. Up until 2006, Pakistan was pretty good in ODIs and was even ranked second at one point, ahead of India. However, 2006-2007, was when the tide turned and we started to lose heavily against the top sides. Since Beating England in the 2005 ODI series, we have lost more than 80% of our bilateral series to the top sides.

No one cares about H2H anymore because only teams with mediocre present like to live in the past. In the 80s and 90s we beat India more often than not, but those days are long gone. They have gone on to become an elite team while we are stuck in mediocrity.

Pakistan's superior H2H with India is as irrelevant as WI's superior H2H against most teams, thanks to their dominance in the 70s and 80s.

 

[Technics 1210]

India does not need to play Pakistan because they don't have to prove anything. We are a rubbish team that is ranked 7th in Tests and 6th in ODIs. A team that is ranked in the top two in both Tests and ODIs has no business playing with us - we are simply not in the same league - they are a Premier League team and we are a Championship team.

However, I do wish that they play us because we are in need of another humbling. Our fans were rambling on after the Champions Trophy final that the tide has turned, but then the Asia Cup happened and they were quiet again. For a team that has pathetic rankings in Tests and ODIs, our mouths are too big.

The misplaced delusion that a top 2 team in Tests and ODIs is afraid of playing a mid-table team like Pakistan, that has been getting smashed left right for two years, is exactly the rotten mentality that stands between us and success.

Funny how you miss out the T20 format and its rankings.

If there was any ounce of validity in your opinion, then Test/ODI teams would only ever play among the top 4. Clearly this is not the case, but hey.

Though I detect a Freudian slip again. *They* are a PL team, and *we* are a Championship team? You sure you got that the right way round? Just checking. . . .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It's not just the IPL. What BCCI have strategically done is carved a long 'home season' - almost 5-6 months. Similar to England and Australia. When you have such long home seasons, invariably you will better stats, better win-rates and better ranking.

IPL is a cherry on the top.

Yeah. In the last two home seasons 2017 and 2018, we had a grand total of 5 tests . While we played around 15 tests away from home in the same period. Great job done by BCCI to manipulate stats and rankings.

 

[Surya Kiran]

IPL is Limited Overs of the highest quality. It is actually better than bilateral T20s and ODIs and played with the higher intensity.

The other leagues are simply incomparable. IPL is lightyears ahead. A young Indian player who is a regular in IPL but hasn’t played for India yet has basically already played international cricket.

You don’t need IPL or T20 leagues for success in Test cricket, but they are very important for player development in Limited Overs. That is why England, for all their success in Limited Overs in the last 4 years, is investing in The Hundred which will serve its white ball cricket for years to come.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, the PSL is of poor quality but it is the best we have can hope for considering our situation.

We don’t have India’s money or their global image. We have to make do with what we have, which is not enough but is still something.

IPL is important but what happens before and after every IPL is also very crucial.

Many people miss the point that BCCI tries to bridge the gap between domestic set up and international cricket by arranging India "A" games and tours. Apart from this, they get groomed at NCA on things such as Diet during a tournament/pre-tournament, recovery and training patterns. Robust domestic structure with a good feeder line is getting things done for the moment.