IPL has made Indian batsmen immune to anything any generation of Pakistani bowling can throw at them

[Savak]

It's time to face facts.

This is the reality on flat pitches, 10 times out of 10, if Pakistan and India face off on flat friendly batting pitches, Indian batting will murder Pakistani bowling even if we have 4 bowlers bowling at 150-160 km/hr.

The bowlers tried everything really, they tried slower ball bouncers, Yuvraj saw them like a foot ball and deposited for six easily. They tried the straight yorker at Yuvraj, he effortlessly drove it straight down the ground for six.

The bowlers tried the outside the offstump yorker against Kohli, he was able to put the bat out there and glide it away from third man for 4. They tried the slower ball bouncer against Kohli and he deposited it for six. They tried the yorker against Kohli, he flicked it with his wrists for 6.

Our batsmen do not have the class, quality or even the talent to negotiate with such deliveries. To be honest i am not sure you can blame them too much, constantly playing in the UAE, not enough consistent cricket against the top sides in the world, no exposure to the IPL, our batsmen are just not pressurized enough to work hard behind the scenes in the nets to work on trying to hit sixes of slower ball bouncers, yorkers on the stumps, outside off stump.

In fact i am going to put my neck on the line here. If the likes of Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib were bowling to the IPL trained Indian batsmen, even would be murdered

 

[captain crook]

Not just the IPL. I guess Sachin's arrival has turned their game head on. All youngsters look up to him and look at the ease with which they make those runs.

 

[Major]

drop catches

 

[captain crook]

Yuvraj was a beast even before IPL, as a matter of fact. Remember how he manhandled Asif, Sami Gul and others during 2006 and that T20 world cup in RSA.

 

[santos11]

And some fans consider PSL to be full of quality players. Completely unaware of how good the IPL has been for the confidence of younger Indian players.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Sachin has turned Indian batting around. I see it as pre Sachin and post Sachin era. Every young batsman who's arrived after Sachin dominated the 90s has wanted to dominate instead of being a silent lurker. IPL has helped craft the hitting ability but the attitude was turned around by Sachin.

 

[Savak]

And some fans consider PSL to be full of quality players. Completely unaware of how good the IPL has been for the confidence of younger Indian players.

Tad unfair to compare a 2 year league with a 10 year league. The PSL needs to be held in even better batting conditions than UAE similar to India.

 

[fitCricFan]

Hardik Pandya is a product of IPL and gave him the opportunity to showcase his talent to the selectors otherwise he would have had to wait a very long time for chance to don the India hat. Its

IPL has definitely provided the stage for the youngsters aspiring to be part of the next generation of team India and these upcoming players certainly have enough batsmen in the current team to find that inspiration. The Indians certainly are headed down the cricket path that was ruled by the Indies in the 80's/90's and the Aussies later on.

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

IPL has also made the cricketers financially secure and comfortable

 

[fitCricFan]

Sachin has turned Indian batting around. I see it as pre Sachin and post Sachin era. Every young batsman who's arrived after Sachin dominated the 90s has wanted to dominate instead of being a silent lurker. IPL has helped craft the hitting ability but the attitude was turned around by Sachin.

Couldn't agree more. He brought positive aggression into Indian cricket and inspired greats like Dhoni, Virat to say the least. Virendar Sehwag has inspired his own breed of youngsters. Its all about individual motivation and team morale. India-Pakistan matches take both to another level. Always fun to watch.

May the best team win....Game on

 

[Jatt_bonebreaker]

It certainly has made them more confident after playing against good fast bowlers.

 

[Slog]

To be honest we have thrown absolute dross at them

But yes ipl had made Indian players very confident, and not fazed by big stage or pressure situations

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Would you have said the same if Yuvraj was out for 8, Kohli out for 43, and Amir not injured?

 

[jnaveen1980]

If Imad wasim had bowled the same over to say Amla you think he would have hit 3 sixes? I doubt so. Not many can do that from the get go.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If Pandya had faced that leg spinner/ imad wasim a lot more imagine the carnage lol

 

[Savak]

Would you have said the same if Yuvraj was out for 8, Kohli out for 43, and Amir not injured?

Yes. They are 10-15 years ahead of us in terms of Modern T-20 and ODI batting.

 

[Balthazar]

Sachin has turned Indian batting around. I see it as pre Sachin and post Sachin era. Every young batsman who's arrived after Sachin dominated the 90s has wanted to dominate instead of being a silent lurker. IPL has helped craft the hitting ability but the attitude was turned around by Sachin.

Sehwag, Dhoni, Yuvraj, Kohli and not to mention the others... the quality batsmen we produced post Sachin era is top notch.

 

[Slog]

Would you have said the same if Yuvraj was out for 8, Kohli out for 43, and Amir not injured?

You think Dhoni, Pandya, Kedhar et all would have done nothing?

 

[fitCricFan]

Would you have said the same if Yuvraj was out for 8, Kohli out for 43, and Amir not injured?

The game is not decided on "ifs" but what actually happened. Every team has its bad day but its the consistency that counts. Lets see how rest of the tournament goes for both of these teams

IPL has provided an avenue for younger players to think and play outside the box learning from their Sr. players, watching the overseas players. It is evident from their demeanor and attitude and not feeling the pressure when going out on a bigger stage at-least in the shorter versions of the game

 

[IAJ]

If IPL also teaches them how to lure the fielders to drop their catches, then I would have agreed with you.

 

[big_gamer007]

Sehwag, Dhoni, Yuvraj, Kohli and not to mention the others... the quality batsmen we produced post Sachin era is top notch.

And all were fans of Sachin tells you how huge an impact one man has had on our cricket..

 

[blue_champion]

If IPL also teaches them how to lure the fielders to drop their catches, then I would have agreed with you.

The fearlesness of hitting it is what IPL teaches.Obviously Pakistan is the poorest fielding team in world cricket but India has been taking on Aussies,England,SA or any other big team with their 145+ bolwers

 

[muqarrab]

IPL has improved indian bastman but we threw garbage at them....fielding was bad and we certainly did not figure out our lengths. I question why we needed to play shadaab khan, not because of his bowling but that meant we open the innings with Imad. India likes to build slowly so we needed early wickets, instead we think out of the box and open with imad..... Junaid should have played in place of shadaab and we should have opened with him.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Couldn't agree more. He brought positive aggression into Indian cricket and inspired greats like Dhoni, Virat to say the least. Virendar Sehwag has inspired his own breed of youngsters. Its all about individual motivation and team morale. India-Pakistan matches take both to another level. Always fun to watch.

May the best team win....Game on

Sehwag, Dhoni, Yuvraj, Kohli and not to mention the others... the quality batsmen we produced post Sachin era is top notch.

That's what legends do. Look at Pakistan too pre Imran and post Imran. I credit Imran totally for Pakistan's rich fast bowling resources and their attitude to bowl fast and dominate. It all came from Imran.

For India, Gavaskar made us believe we could be world class and withstand top notch bowling while Tendulkar showed the way in dominating the same.

Every country needs iconic sportsmen to turn things around. Pakistans just lacked icons in past decade or so and it's showing with their current crop's lack of motivation and killer instincts. I grew up watching Pakistani batsmen sledging India's too bowlers and today I see them shying away from stares even.

 

[blue_champion]

That's what legends do. Look at Pakistan too pre Imran and post Imran. I credit Imran totally for Pakistan's rich fast bowling resources and their attitude to bowl fast and dominate. It all came from Imran.

For India, Gavaskar made us believe we could be world class and withstand top notch bowling while Tendulkar showed the way in dominating the same.

Every country needs iconic sportsmen to turn things around. Pakistans just lacked icons in past decade or so and it's showing with their current crop's lack of motivation and killer instincts. I grew up watching Pakistani batsmen sledging India's too bowlers and today I see them shying away from stares even.

I see some positive from this Pakistan side is that for far too long they have suffered from 1 or 2 players having a prima donna syndrome. Look at how Shoaib Akthar talks about himself.Yes he has a decent record and the fastest bowler in the world at one time,but his overall career was little underwhelming.Even Afridi is hailed as some kind of a 2nd coming even though he was a mediocre cricketer.

Now SRT never behaved like a prima donna but when it was only about him,India was not winning games,but once we started playing like a team,even with an above average bowling attack we saw the transformation.

This Pakistan team does have some humble folks who try to put their head down and get the job done,they don't have enough experience yet but I see they will start turning it around soon or atleast be like Srilanka of 2000's where they would somehow find themselves in knockouts by just doing the basics

 

[Adil_94]

our players play in BPL PSL CPL too.

Also if we had bowlers who could swing it like Waz and Waqar we would trouble these batsman who arent used to batting against high quality pacers on a regular basis.

 

[dhump]

Savak doing best what he does and after a long time.

 

[Protea Fan]

India is a gun odi side while pakistan is simply no match to their counterparts but this has nothing to do with IPL.Just look SA,AUS,ENG they have had some awesome batters top of the order especially the way eng build their team after post 2015 wc was admirable

 

[Pak_Jazba]

Its time all Pakistanis admit, India IS reaping the benefits of IPL!!

Its time all Pakistanis admit that India has been heavily benefited in the last 10 years due to IPL. It was in 2007 when Pakistan and India were both heading in the same direction after World Cup exit. But 10 years down the road, India is a different outfit altogether, and Pakistan still remains at the same position (or even worse).

1) Youngsters play shoulder to shoulder with the Worlds best players.
2) Youngsters/Senior players get to play under the captaincy of the best players in the World.
3) Best coaches/mentors available to guide the players.
4) The amount of money IPL gives players dissuades players from going into the fixing direction.
5) Top young players are picked through the IPL now.
6) The confidence which each and every Indian player remits in the game is there for everyone to see. They are not bogged down by the staring of Aamir/Wahab if they have seen guys like Starc/Steyn/Morkel right in the eyes.

We need to realise PSL as a product needs to strengthen itself. As sad as it may seem, having matches in Pakistan WILL NOT help the cause as our players will never be able to rub shoulders with the best in Pakistan. Its time we use PSL as a grooming/team building exercise rather than a money/ego satiating one.

 

[santos11]

Agree with all the points made. The IPL was started only for commercial purposes but not only is it a financial success but has also improved the standards of Indian Cricket in Limited Overs .

 

[LastManstanding]

Too much credit is given to IPL on PP.

 

[Pak_Jazba]

Too much credit is given to IPL on PP.

What else would you attribute the strong performance of average players like Rohit, Karthik, Shikhar, Jadeja to?
How would you compare the above names to Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Azharuddin? The latter were world beaters and the most talented batsmen India has ever produced. However, as a team they were never able to become world beaters due to having a timid/poor mindset. Its the IPL which has made mediocre players like Rohit/Karthik/Shikhar into top players in a top side.

You cannot ignore IPL, in all of this.

 

[Sidilicious]

What else would you attribute the strong performance of average players like Rohit, Karthik, Shikhar, Jadeja to?
How would you compare the above names to Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Azharuddin? The latter were world beaters and the most talented batsmen India has ever produced. However, as a team they were never able to become world beaters due to having a timid/poor mindset. Its the IPL which has made mediocre players like Rohit/Karthik/Shikhar into top players in a top side.

You cannot ignore IPL, in all of this.

IPL is a by product of the Indian Economy, and so is the new generation. The real change started to come from the generation of yuvraj, Kaif and Zak who had belief in themselves. They grew up in a growing Indian economy where India has been going strength to strength, whereas the ones before grew up in the License Raj.

It was just a process from where Indian cricketers turned completely professional in attitude.

 

[Pete Rose]

IPL is a by product of the Indian Economy, and so is the new generation. The real change started to come from the generation of yuvraj, Kaif and Zak who had belief in themselves. They grew up in a growing Indian economy where India has been going strength to strength, whereas the ones before grew up in the License Raj.

It was just a process from where Indian cricketers turned completely professional in attitude.

yes, there is certainly that narrative that everything moved in the right direction at the same time. I would argue, that the three guys you mentioned were kinda ok and Pakistan has bashed indian teams of the past with all three of them playing. I think the change came from that breakthrough tour to australia in 2004. And Sehwag, raina, dhoni, irfan, balaji, parthiv etc. And then when dhoni took over he took it to another level.

About OP's point on IPL, I think the answer is more nuanced. The IPL bring immense financial security to everyone who is involved and once you can get that out of the way, you have different mindset to your career.

For Pakistanis, first of all, not one of the current players deserves to be part of IPL basis their current pedigree.

 

[Mp812]

Isn't IPL tamasha league with no quality in it?

 

[Sidilicious]

yes, there is certainly that narrative that everything moved in the right direction at the same time. I would argue, that the three guys you mentioned were kinda ok and Pakistan has bashed indian teams of the past with all three of them playing. I think the change came from that breakthrough tour to australia in 2004. And Sehwag, raina, dhoni, irfan, balaji, parthiv etc. And then when dhoni took over he took it to another level.

About OP's point on IPL, I think the answer is more nuanced. The IPL bring immense financial security to everyone who is involved and once you can get that out of the way, you have different mindset to your career.

For Pakistanis, first of all, not one of the current players deserves to be part of IPL basis their current pedigree.

IIRC, the only series you won with yuvraj, Kaif and Zak around was in 2005 in India. We won the remaining one day series against Pak (2 in Pak, 1 in Ind). But its also not just about victories or losses. Its also about the attitude. ITs about the belief. Even though we might have lost we went in with the belief we can beat any team. The kind attitude was missing till the late 90s. It was Sachin or nothing. We would go into series abroad where not being white washed was a good result.

Also, I consider Sehwag, Dhoni, Irfan, Balaji, Parthiv etc in the same generation. The cricketers who played U19 WC for India between 1999-2004. Raina/Kohli are next generation.

And well said about the IPL. Its about financial secutiry. Which is also a result of the growing Indian economy.

 

[Mamoon]

After downplaying the IPL for years, it seems like Pakistani fans have been finally humbled. The IPL is the best thing to have happened to India in LOI cricket. Their domestic players who are years away from the national team are already handling pressure against the elite players in the world in front of packed stadiums, which means that playing the mediocre Pakistani players is no challenge for them at all.

Another important point to add: we can thump our chests over how the PSL is more 'competitive' and provides better 'balance between bat and ball', but the fact is that unless the PSL produces flatter wickets rather than 150 par pitches, it will not do anything to help our batting. Also, it needs to attract better foreign talent, not has-beens who are the biggest draws in the PSL but cannot get a contract in the IPL.

 

[Savak]

After downplaying the IPL for years, it seems like Pakistani fans have been finally humbled. The IPL is the best thing to have happened to India in LOI cricket. Their domestic players who are years away from the national team are already handling pressure against the elite players in the world in front of packed stadiums, which means that playing the mediocre Pakistani players is no challenge for them at all.

Another important point to add: we can thump our chests over how the PSL is more 'competitive' and provides better 'balance between bat and ball', but the fact is that unless the PSL produces flatter wickets rather than 150 par pitches, it will not do anything to help our batting. Also, it needs to attract better foreign talent, not has-beens who are the biggest draws in the PSL but cannot get a contract in the IPL.

Don't think we can offer IPL level salaries right now to entice the big foreign players.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Time to give IPL its due credit. Indian C team batsmen are better than Pak's first team. And I am not joking.

 

[Mamoon]

Don't think we can offer IPL level salaries right now to entice the big foreign players.

Exactly, which is why the PSL will never have the same impact as the IPL. However, there is plenty of room for improvement and we have to start with the pitches. Not this 'competitive' cricket and 'balance between bat and ball' rubbish.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Far too much credit being given to the IPL lol. It has got nothing to do with that. India are the slowest team off the blocks in the first 10 overs in ODIs . Is that an influence of the IPL? England changed their approach to ODIs in 2015 and was that because of the IPL as well? If the T20 style hitting is all what Pakistan is lacking , then why aren't West Indies not even able to produce a world class ODI batting lineup?

The reality is this. ODIs have evolved rapidly over the years and strategies are more important In this format than either T20s or tests. Which is why PAK are not as bad in those formats. In the early nineties, ODI batting became about aggressive batting in the first 15 which PAK could do thanks to Anwar/Afridi/Ijaz especially on flatter wickets while the bowling was good enough to take wickets on them. Around 2002 Ish, ODI wickets started becoming flat in all parts if the world except perhaps Lanka and Windies. You started seeing 300+ scored and chased in the SA/NZ/OZ triangular as well as the NatWest triangular in England - traditionally bowler friendly wickets. Pakistan struggled to adapt immediately and suffered at next year's World Cup. However , under Woolmer the ODI side was revamped and you competed with top teams until 2006 Ish by playing cricket suitable for this flat decks era. Pakistan were ranked no. 2 I think by beginning of 2006. However, since then your ODI team has been in consistent decline. You never really found replacements for Moyo/Inzi/Akhtar and started relying on spin around 2007 ish with chuckers like ajmal and Hafeez taking centre stage after Asif and Aamir were banned for fixing. In fact, the only reason Pakistan were competitive in 2011-2014 was because of the control exerted by Hafeez and ajmal when most strong teams were adapting to the 2 new ball rule by investing in fast bowlers and aggressive batsmen. By the time PAK think tank woke up to the be stringent rules on chucking, they realised that fast bowlers who reverse the ball were useless in modern ODIs and all they had was an army of chuckers in domestic (Rasool etc ) . Pakistani setup was extremely short sighted back in 2007 and thought they could get away with it and resulted in you guys having to start from scratch after 2015 CWC. You are simply 10 years behind the curve in ODIs. IPL wouldn't have made any difference.

 

[PakLFC]

No doubt the IP had made the Indian national side much stronger. What the IPL has not done is made Wahab bowl complete rubbish or Azhar play slower then a tortoise. What it has not done is effect our third rate fielding, catching or running between the wickets. IPL has improved Indian Cricket but should not have damaged Pak's. We are great at doing that ourselves by appointment every position based on nepotism and corruption. IPL did not put Najam Sethi in charge of Pak Cricket.