"IPL links won’t affect Pakistan players' involvement in The Hundred": Richard Gould

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ECB chief executive, Richard Gould, said following in a recent media talk:

"In terms of the India TV market, the overseas market is very important for us," "The fact that we have got such a wide-ranging set of investors from around the globe will, I believe, help us to add extra value to our overseas broadcast rights."

"In terms of availability to Indian players, that is not priced in with our plans. The BCCI's position has been very clear. At some point we'd love to see Indian players come and play in England."

Impact of IPL franchises in affecting the playing restrictions encountered by cricketers from Pakistan

"We're aware of that in other regions, but that won't be happening here."

"One of the advantages that we have with our set is that there's a connection there with majority of the other cricket leagues around the world," Vikram Banerjee said. "And for all of those [T20] leagues around the world, it makes little sense for any of us to clash if we can avoid it."
 
When in foreign country, Indians have to tow the line, they cant discriminate in other countries

Hundred has non Indian owned teams as well. They may buy pakistanis.

ECB cannot force Indian owners to hire pakistanis.

And Indians don't own majority shares of the teams.

Indian owned teams don't hire pakistanis in SA or UAE. Those who put millions have their say. Not the ones who only whine.
 
Hundred has non Indian owned teams as well. They may buy pakistanis.

ECB cannot force Indian owners to hire pakistanis.

And Indians don't own majority shares of the teams.

Indian owned teams don't hire pakistanis in SA or UAE. Those who put millions have their say. Not the ones who only whine.
In foreign countries indians have to tow the line.

So as soon as they will try to discriminate, they will be in courts
 
Pakistani player in these leagues will cause riot amongst Indian consumers. It is unlikely they will get selected despite what Gould says.
 
Along with Chinese, Arab businesses Indian business also know how to tow the lines , yes.
 
In foreign countries indians have to tow the line.

So as soon as they will try to discriminate, they will be in courts

Go take them to court. 😂 I will wait and see which court in SA or UAE forces Indians to hire pakistani players.

No law says hiring pakistanis is a must.

English Cricket needs Indian money.

Why don't pakistanis buy a team for a change? And stop whining.
 
Scruples? Its a known fact that Indian owned teams don't hire pakistanis.

Why don't pakistanis put in their money to buy a team?

All the time its rona dhona.
No it is not a "fact". They haven't declared it openly. Just chutiyapa in hiding.

For guys like you Saqi Mahmood becomes Pakistani when you want to throw a random visa issue, but guys like Moeen Ali and Imran Tahir are not Pakistani. Your own words around Saqib Mahmood were that anybody of Pakistani origin no matter how long ago or how tenuous the links are is Pakistani for you...

Similarly these teams won't pick Pakistani players but Pakistanis like Hamad Azam in USA are ok to pick as "local" players.

When you twist and turn like this then lack of scruples is the best way to word it.
 
Challo that helps one or two franchises getting full monopoly on signing Babar and Rizwan in the hundred….
 
In foreign countries indians have to tow the line.

So as soon as they will try to discriminate, they will be in courts
Tow the line?? Its a private league and they will pick who they want.. no discrimination here. Their money - their choice. Dont play the victim card everywhere to cover up incompetence
 
No it is not a "fact". They haven't declared it openly. Just chutiyapa in hiding.

For guys like you Saqi Mahmood becomes Pakistani when you want to throw a random visa issue, but guys like Moeen Ali and Imran Tahir are not Pakistani. Your own words around Saqib Mahmood were that anybody of Pakistani origin no matter how long ago or how tenuous the links are is Pakistani for you...

Similarly these teams won't pick Pakistani players but Pakistanis like Hamad Azam in USA are ok to pick as "local" players.

When you twist and turn like this then lack of scruples is the best way to word it.


Its a declared fact that Indian teams don't hire pakistanis. The SA20 official said so.

Saqib or Moeen or Tahir, all have to go through the same process.

Hamad Azam and other players of other nations are all picked as local players.
 
Scruples? Its a known fact that Indian owned teams don't hire pakistanis.

Why don't pakistanis put in their money to buy a team?

All the time its rona dhona.
And the irony will be they will still not buy Pak players because of how incompetent they are. Who would pick a pak player under foreign quota when you have much better fit and commited players from Aus Eng SA WI even Afg ??
 
Go take them to court. 😂 I will wait and see which court in SA or UAE forces Indians to hire pakistani players.

No law says hiring pakistanis is a must.

English Cricket needs Indian money.

Why don't pakistanis buy a team for a change? And stop whining.
The amount of delusion here is unbelievable.
 
Its a declared fact that Indian teams don't hire pakistanis. The SA20 official said so.

Saqib or Moeen or Tahir, all have to go through the same process.

Hamad Azam and other players of other nations are all picked as local players.

do you think this stance will make any difference? What is the actual purpose of boycotting Pakistani players and hence the common people of Pakistan?
Do you think that all Pakistani people are evil?
 
do you think this stance will make any difference? What is the actual purpose of boycotting Pakistani players and hence the common people of Pakistan?
Do you think that all Pakistani people are evil?

I don’t think so and Indians are ok to after the initial straining period and the Modi Bakht departs the rear every morning; then its happy days!
 
Pakistanis instead of working on their economy and becoming 2nd biggest board keeps playing military-military and falls behind India economically and then cry that India is buying everything up.

Thing is India's growth rate is still at 6-7% while Pak is at 2-3%.

The gap will grow even further and India's grip on cricket will grow even stronger with 4-5 month IPLs in 30ish years.
 
Pakistanis instead of working on their economy and becoming 2nd biggest board keeps playing military-military and falls behind India economically and then cry that India is buying everything up.

Thing is India's growth rate is still at 6-7% while Pak is at 2-3%.

The gap will grow even further and India's grip on cricket will grow even stronger with 4-5 month IPLs in 30ish years.
Do you own a franchise?
 
Please stay on topic instead of brining political stuff here... talk about cricket.
 
England is home to a massive number of people of Pakistani-origin. You can't afford to block out Pakistani players unless you don't want to appeal to that demographic and don't like money.
 
Great statement from Richard Gould.

ECB should not allow any petty behavior.

Discrimination shouldn't have any place in English cricket. This is not India.
Lol, irony when Asians look at England and British people as their moral compass after centuries of discrimination
 
One of the benefits of retaining full control of the central aspects of the league is that if they really wanted to then theoretically they can.

No they can't. If they try, Indians will simply walk off with their money and good luck to ECB to find replacements.
 
No they can't. If they try, Indians will simply walk off with their money and good luck to ECB to find replacements.

The teams were bought on the condition that the ECB retain control over ithe tournaments rules, scheduling (with guarantees around minimum games) and draft regulations (with fixed agreed player salary increases pegged to revenue). That's what they've contractually agreed to, if the Indians want to walk away then they'd be free to but without their money.
 
England is home to a massive number of people of Pakistani-origin. You can't afford to block out Pakistani players unless you don't want to appeal to that demographic and don't like money.

Not even one turned upto bid for a team. Tells you how little the community may be interested in the hundred.

Btw no Indian made any bids for the Birmingham team. The only franchisee that saw no Indian bids.


Tells you something.
 
Btw no Indian made any bids for the Birmingham team. The only franchisee that saw no Indian bids.


Tells you something.

CVC Capital (who whilst not Indian are the majority stake holder in Gujarat Titans for now, soon to be a minority stake holder it seems) entered a failed bid for Birmingham Phoenix.
 
The teams were bought on the condition that the ECB retain control over ithe tournaments rules, scheduling (with guarantees around minimum games) and draft regulations (with fixed agreed player salary increases pegged to revenue). That's what they've contractually agreed to, if the Indians want to walk away then they'd be free to but without their money.

😂

Did the conditions also include compulsory hiring Pakistanis?NO

So if ECB tries to push players for squad selection, the owners will walk with their money and take some of ECBs with them.

These are not run off mill rich people, these are multi billionaires who own teams across various leagues and have dealings with a number of boards. They know how to conduct business in Cricket.
 
Not even one turned upto bid for a team. Tells you how little the community may be interested in the hundred.
Why would average people turn up to bid for a team? I'm talking about average people
 
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CVC Capital (who whilst not Indian are the majority stake holder in Gujarat Titans for now, soon to be a minority stake holder it seems) entered a failed bid for Birmingham Phoenix.

CVC capital isn't an Indian company. They're a US based private equity firm.

This is the second time on this thread you have supplied false information.

First when you tried to pass of the valuation of a Hundred franchisee as more than that of CSK.

Try again.
 
😂

Did the conditions also include compulsory hiring Pakistanis?NO

So if ECB tries to push players for squad selection, the owners will walk with their money and take some of ECBs with them.

These are not run off mill rich people, these are multi billionaires who own teams across various leagues and have dealings with a number of boards. They know how to conduct business in Cricket.

As I stated, the conditions are that the ECB retain complete control over the draft regulations. The owners aren't getting a refund for their stake if the ECB use that control they've contractually retained.
 
Why would average people turn up to bid for a team? I'm talking about average people

Average Indians love cricket. Put their money into the products of advertisers who then put in money the game. That's why Indians own majority of league teams in Cricket. Two Indian groups from USA came and invested millions to buy franchisees.

But not even one Pakistani turned up. Either the community isn't interested or the community doesn't have enough people who willl put in this kind of investment.

Either way it may not be a big deal in terms of money for people who have net worth in billions.

Clues? Lol. Look at SA20 or IL20 Indians didn't hire Pakistanis.
 
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Average Indians love cricket. Put their money into the products of advertisers who then put in money the game. That's why Indians own majority of league teams in Cricket. Two Indian groups from USA came and invested millions to buy franchisees.

But not even one Pakistani turned up. Either the community isn't interested or the community doesn't have enough people who willl put in this kind of investment.

Either way it may not be a big deal in terms of money for people who have net worth in billions.

Clues? Lol. Look at SA20 or IL20 Indians didn't hire Pakistanis.
Those are not average Indians. They make up a small fraction of the population. The majority of Indians belong to the lower-middle class and middle class, with a significant portion still in the low-income category.
 
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Average Indians love cricket. Put their money into the products of advertisers who then put in money the game. That's why Indians own majority of league teams in Cricket. Two Indian groups from USA came and invested millions to buy franchisees.

But not even one Pakistani turned up. Either the community isn't interested or the community doesn't have enough people who willl put in this kind of investment.

Either way it may not be a big deal in terms of money for people who have net worth in billions.

Clues? Lol. Look at SA20 or IL20 Indians didn't hire Pakistanis.
Addressing the point you were trying to make (as best I can understand) I can tell you that nobody cares about buying T20 franchises all over the world more than these select IPL owners. Most rich people try to invest in more lucrative sports like Football or American Football.
 
As I stated, the conditions are that the ECB retain complete control over the draft regulations. The owners aren't getting a refund for their stake if the ECB use that control they've contractually retained.

Draft regulations or auction regulations are controlled by all boards. No one controls team selection.

ECB will be dragged to courts and even the ICC for interfering in team selection.
 
Addressing the point you were trying to make (as best I can understand) I can tell you that nobody cares about buying T20 franchises all over the world more than these select IPL owners. Most rich people try to invest in more lucrative sports like Football or American Football.

Americans love American football and invest in it.

Indians love cricket and invest in it. For them its not about money but passion.

Pakistanis love which sport and invest in that blocking them will be financially disastrous for billionaire Indians.
 
Draft regulations or auction regulations are controlled by all boards. No one controls team selection.

ECB will be dragged to courts and even the ICC for interfering in team selection.

The ECB being in control of the draft regulations means it is hypothetically completely in their power to mandate that 1 draft round be dedicated to Pakistani players. The ICC have no regulations that disallow that.
 
Those are not average Indians. They make up a small fraction of the population. The majority of Indians belong to the lower-middle class and middle class, with a significant portion still in the low-income category.

The middle class Indian is more than the population of Pakistan. They have significant buying capacity and hence are a big attraction for advertisers.

Poor You. Down to name calling. Well thats all you can do. Since your argument that blocking pakistanis will be financially disastrous for franchisees have no legs to stand on.
 
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Americans love American football and invest in it.

Indians love cricket and invest in it. For them its not about money but passion.

Pakistanis love which sport and invest in that blocking them will be financially disastrous for billionaire Indians.
Americans love football but investing in sports teams is also business. That's one of the biggest reasons why billionaires invest in sports teams, besides it being a status symbol. I guess rich Indians can't afford to buy football teams so they use this to show everyone that they have money.
 
The middle class Indian is more than the population of Pakistan. They have significant buying capacity and hence are a big attraction for advertisers.

Poor You. Down to name calling. Well thats all you can do. Since your argument that blocking pakistanis will be financially disastrous for franchisees have no legs to stand on.
Thanks for the economics lesson. Too bad you couldn't have used your vast knowledge of economics to look up how many Pakistanis or Pakistani-origin people live in UK.

Based on what does it have no legs? Because you said so? LOL. I would rather take the word of the ECB Chief Executive than someone who seems to be sniffing for clues. :ROFLMAO:

Bottom-line: Nothing is going to change for Pakistani players in The Hundred.
 
Is there an official ban on Pakistani cricketers even in the IPL? I thought the franchise owners avoided Pakistani players because of public pressure. I’m not really fully aware of the legality of this.

Animosity between both nations has existed for decades due to Pakistan military dictatorship’s propaganda politics against Bharat and yet we have always had people to people relationships in the entertainment, sports industries etc.

Wrt Cricket, i think there have already been many leagues abroad where our people have been collaborating. I genuinely feel people especially the prosperous people of both countries don’t wish to add to the animosity but bring people together rather. Civilians should always push for good relations.
 
The ECB being in control of the draft regulations means it is hypothetically completely in their power to mandate that 1 draft round be dedicated to Pakistani players. The ICC have no regulations that disallow that.

That's interfering in team selection. Forcibly asking owners to select and pay players of one particular nationality.

That doesn't happen in any league. Not happening here too, no matter how much pakistanis want that.

ECB will include pakistanis in the draft and teams will be free to select or not select them.

IPL owners usually try to keep the same players across leagues.



There are 2 teams having no links to Indian or Indian origin people and 1 team with no links to any Indian but owned by a Indian origin person.

Just like ILT20 where only one team hires pakistanis, here 2 or 3 teams may hire them.
 
Thanks for the economics lesson. Too bad you couldn't have used your vast knowledge of economics to look up how many Pakistanis or Pakistani-origin people live in UK.

Based on what does it have no legs? Because you said so? LOL. I would rather take the word of the ECB Chief Executive than someone who seems to be sniffing for clues. :ROFLMAO:

Bottom-line: Nothing is going to change for Pakistani players in The Hundred.

How many Indians or Indian origin people live in USA, still they bought 2 teams.

Pakistanis simply don't invest in Cricket but are the first ones to whine and cry when Indians who invest 100s of millions, look after Indian interests.

Yes no legs. The ECB executive didn't mention anything regarding monetary loss of not hiring pakistanis.

Bottom Line: Indian owned teams, 4 in this case will not hire any pakistani. 2 teams with no connection to India may hire pakistanis, one team will definately do so. 2 teams owned by Indian origin people from USA, no idea what they will do.
 
How many Indians or Indian origin people live in USA, still they bought 2 teams.

Pakistanis simply don't invest in Cricket but are the first ones to whine and cry when Indians who invest 100s of millions, look after Indian interests.

Yes no legs. The ECB executive didn't mention anything regarding monetary loss of not hiring pakistanis.

Bottom Line: Indian owned teams, 4 in this case will not hire any pakistani. 2 teams with no connection to India may hire pakistanis, one team will definately do so. 2 teams owned by Indian origin people from USA, no idea what they will do.
What is your point exactly? What are you trying to prove? A Pakistani-origin guy owns an NFL team and Fulham FC, do you see me doing a bhangra over it?

Bottom-line: You don't anything besides the propaganda you read on Indian news outlets that feed your jingoism. Pakistani players will continue playing in The Hundred, just as they have in the past. Because its actually in the franchise's interest to have players that can draw Pakistani-origin British fans to the matches.
 
What is your point exactly? What are you trying to prove? A Pakistani-origin guy owns an NFL team and Fulham FC, do you see me doing a bhangra over it?

Bottom-line: You don't anything besides the propaganda you read on Indian news outlets that feed your jingoism. Pakistani players will continue playing in The Hundred, just as they have in the past. Because its actually in the franchise's interest to have players that can draw Pakistani-origin British fans to the matches.
Let me try.

His point is that India is rich, India is a superpower, India is superduper, no nation can mess with India when it comes to cricket.

Indian Dollars talk and Pakistani's can do one.

All hail India and its wealth.

There...
 
Americans love football but investing in sports teams is also business. That's one of the biggest reasons why billionaires invest in sports teams, besides it being a status symbol. I guess rich Indians can't afford to buy football teams so they use this to show everyone that they have money.

Indians have little interest in football clubs outside the cities. Why will any Indian buy it? I am talking about real football. American football has no following here.

Indians invest in cricket because Indians love Cricket.

Ambanis are the Richest Asians. Adanis are the second richest. The Jindals The Marans The Goenkas The Mehtas The Raos The Burmans and The Wadias are billionaires in USD terms. Forbes' will tell you their exact net worth.


Thats rich in any country. SRK with a net worth of 800mn USD is perhaps one of the poorer owners.

Its not what they can afford, its what they want.
 
Let me try.

His point is that India is rich, India is a superpower, India is superduper, no nation can mess with India when it comes to cricket.

Indian Dollars talk and Pakistani's can do one.

All hail India and its wealth.

There...
Yeah, I'm done arguing with him:kp
 
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What is your point exactly? What are you trying to prove? A Pakistani-origin guy owns an NFL team and Fulham FC, do you see me doing a bhangra over it?

Bottom-line: You don't anything besides the propaganda you read on Indian news outlets that feed your jingoism. Pakistani players will continue playing in The Hundred, just as they have in the past. Because its actually in the franchise's interest to have players that can draw Pakistani-origin British fans to the matches.

What has Fulham fc or NFL team got to do here? Did he buy a cricket team? No. So its no point bringing his name.

Last time his name was brought up here, some pakistanis claimed he will help PSL trump IPL. Hasn't happened.

Bottom Line is Pakistanis make little investment in Cricket and whine and cry when Indians invest and control leagues.

Pakistanis may play the hundred like they play the ILT20 but not for a IPL owners team. And that's all i care about.
 
Let me try.

His point is that India is rich, India is a superpower, India is superduper, no nation can mess with India when it comes to cricket.

Indian Dollars talk and Pakistani's can do one.

All hail India and its wealth.

There...

This is true.

Indian money runs world cricket. Pakistanis can hate that as much, but until they put their money where their mouth is, no one cares.
 
Poor You. Cannot digest the fact that pakistanis have no money stake in Cricket franchisee leagues outside pakistan. Indians do. Hence this regular rona dhona about Indian influence on Cricket is useless.

"Pakistanis have no money stake in Cricket franchisee leagues outside pakistan. Indians do. Hence this regular rona dhona about Indian influence on Cricket is useless.


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India and investments reminds me of Del boy - hooky gear.

100 is a failed and bailed format - much like modern India.

🤣
 
How I wish Indian money could one day run world football. :inti
Indian money/ BCCI money comes from Indian fans. If Indian fans start flocking to watch football games, trust me it won’t be a big deal at all. The reason why even some foreign top clubs collaborate with IPl franchises or Indian cricketers from time to time is for the exact reason.
 
Wishful thinking. Mohammad Abbas was a solid consistent performer for Northants and almost like a legend for whatever he achieved for them. It took no time for the new Indian owners to spit him out.
 
The state of affairs and influence India enjoys all over the world in comparison to Pakistan cannot be more pro-found. The Indian PM can get a state of the art reception in the whitehouse upon his own choosing whereas the Pakistani PM is still begging for a phone call.

India's strategy of isolating Pakistan from its neighbouring countries, Middle East, West has worked masterfully.
 
CVC capital isn't an Indian company. They're a US based private equity firm.

This is the second time on this thread you have supplied false information.

First when you tried to pass of the valuation of a Hundred franchisee as more than that of CSK.

Try again.
he does have a habit of stating things with confidence until you start peeling the layers.
 
Wishful thinking. Mohammad Abbas was a solid consistent performer for Northants and almost like a legend for whatever he achieved for them. It took no time for the new Indian owners to spit him out.

Abbas played for Hampshire, and it made cricketing sense to release him.
 
It makes sense to hire Pakistani players if the franchise believes they can win you games - not just to have a country representation. I do not support discrimination against them.

However, PCB should stay 3000 miles away from any kind of indirect involvement if this has to work - the minute they start playing around with unplanned player withdrawals and unavailabilities, it will go south for ALL Pakistani players.
 
The stake in London Spirit has just been sold that puts it's total value at $366mn. For context according to reports last year that's triple the highest valued IPL franchise in CSK that was valued at $122mn.

Isn't this your post? @HitWicket ?

Once i called you out and posted the actual valuation as done by Forbes' you didn't reply.
 
Not even one turned upto bid for a team. Tells you how little the community may be interested in the hundred.

Btw no Indian made any bids for the Birmingham team. The only franchisee that saw no Indian bids.


Tells you something.

What was CVC capitals relation here?
 
Any normal, decent, and logical person would agree with what Richard Gould has said.

Only some abnormal and petty people from a particular country may have an issue with it. Can you guess which country I am referring to?

:inti
 
Just remember folks - India can railroad Pakistan in international Cricket, but it will always be India begging Pakistan for that 1 match to keep India relevant.

Beggars belief.
 
Isn't this your post? @HitWicket ?

Once i called you out and posted the actual valuation as done by Forbes' you didn't reply.
there is this


and there is this.


>>>The ECB has previously claimed the competition made profits in the first two years. However, a well-publicized report by Fanos Hira, a chartered accountant and former chair of Worcestershire, stated that the Hundred made a loss of over $11 million in its first two years. That didn’t include the $30.8 million paid by the ECB to the counties and the MCC in return for backing the competition.

The ECB has been accused of inflating the financial projections in a document distributed to investors, claiming domestic TV rights will rise from over $105 million annually from 2029 and that Indian TV rights will increase by 15 million from 2030. Currently, no Indian players are permitted to play in foreign franchises which undermines the breadth of the viewership. The founder of the IPL, Lalit Modi, said that the figures for sponsorship were far-fetched and that the Hundred didn’t even match the Caribbean Premier League, let alone the IPL, for profitability and revenue sustainability.<<<<

Something is not adding up here.

is hundred relying on Indian market for revenues? If it is relying on English market alone, why is ECB toeing the line to BCCI?

Lalit Modi is not exactly a friend of BCCI or IPL at this point
 
Feel free to point out what I've said in that post that is in any way factually incorrect.
That's another half truth or half lie.

Forbes in 2022 valued CSK at 1.2bn usd.


Most IPL teams are valued in excess of 1bn USD.

For the purpose of bidding

RPSG bought Lucknow team for $950mn and CVC bought Gujarat for $750mn in 2021.

$122mn is brand value of CSK.
Was it confusion on you part about brand value and franchise value

or you were just playing fast and loose?

I seem to recall having to " pull teeth" to fully to explain your role in the Hawkeye, whihc turned out was nowhere to what you cliamed.
 
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