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I feel like India v China is going to be the new Cold War.
This is driven by $400bn 25 year strategic deal with China I presume. This would irk US big time if China can extend influence in Iran.
It won’t. I am an Indian and have some business connections in China. I have seen how China does business. China is not far off economically from USA. India is not even playing in the same league.
There will be some tussle between the two countries, but when it comes to economic ties and prowess, China will come ahead of us 95% of the time (as much as it pains to say it).
We will be helped by the western economies and governments giving us more business (they will want to reduce their business with China and not be so dependent. Not just India BTW. Most of South Asia and south east Asia will benefit). But we will not be able to match China. Their customer acquisition commitment is examplary. I have never seen any client so long run oriented.
Now, the next few years,,especially 2022 onwards, will be good for India and Indian economy. But a lot of egos will be hurt if we start taking on China at an economic level.
Militarily, it will be a stalemate, because both countries are not stupid enough to engage in a war. There will be skirmishes like we recently had. But those will be only for internal political reasons ie both Chinese premiere and Modi wanted to love the focus from their failures to an external threat.
Beyond the port, perhaps the new China-Iran deal would pave the way for peace along the Balochistan border, and improved relations with Iran generally. Over the years, we’ve allowed ourselves to be dragged too far into the Saudi camp, much to the detriment of Pakistan-Iran relations.
This.
If the strategic deal with Iran brings economic resurgence to Iran's economy it would surely ease out tensions which are driven by poverty. This might also mean crackdown on certain groups operating out of Iran carrying attacks in Pakistan (something similar to PSX type attack).
Beyond the port, perhaps the new China-Iran deal would pave the way for peace along the Balochistan border, and improved relations with Iran generally. Over the years, we’ve allowed ourselves to be dragged too far into the Saudi camp, much to the detriment of Pakistan-Iran relations.
We are fencing Pak-Iran border as well, in addition to Pak-Afghan border. Once it is completed, the Balochistan issue will be resolved once for all.
Probably one of the most level headed posts about the aforementioned topic on this forum.
with regards to this investment, its better for India to decouple from Iran. its just a loss making issue. One of the reasons they have prolonged their engagement has been due to the balochi stuff. But that is also petering off a little now.
I still think they are missing a trick by not engaging Imran Khans govt. They can acheive alot without firing a shot and a really not thinking things through for the long term.
Lol wasn’t this supposed to the game changer as our Indian friends told us post after post
I guess daddy USA brought down the hammer as they did with cheap oil imports via Iran
A friendly Iran trumps any fence.
NEW DELHI: Iran and China have finalised a $400 billion strategic partnership deal, and a significant political casualty is the Chabahar to Zahedan rail project with India, which Iran has called off citing delayed finances, The Hindu reported on Tuesday.
It said Iranian Transport and Urban Development Minister Mohammad Eslami last week inaugurated the track-laying process for the 628km Chabahar-Zahedan line, which will be extended to Zaranj across the border in Afghanistan.
The development comes as China finalises a massive 25-year, $400bn strategic partnership deal with Iran, which, the paper said, could cloud India’s plans.
Officials told The Hindu that the entire project would be completed by March 2022, and that Iranian Railways would proceed without India’s assistance four years after they signed the agreement.
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Tehran, Beijing finalise $400bn partnership deal
Iran would instead use approximately $400 million from the Iranian National Development Fund. It was not clear if the unnamed officials were Indian, Iranian or some other.
The Hindu cited “leaked versions” of the 18-page “Comprehensive Plan for Cooperation between Iran and China”, being finalised by officials in Tehran and Beijing. The cooperation will extend from investments in infrastructure, manufacturing and upgrading energy and transport facilities, to refurbishing ports, refineries and other installations, and will commit Iranian oil and gas supplies to China during that period.
The newspaper quoted Iranian officials as denying a report that also suggested Chabahar port would be leased to China. However, according to The Hindu, Iran proposed a tie-up between the Chinese-run port at Gwadar and Chabahar last year, and has offered interests to China in the Bandar-e-Jask port 350km away from Chabahar, as well as in the Chabahar duty free zone.
The railway project, which was being discussed between the Iranian Railways and the state-owned Indian Railways Construction Ltd (IRCON), was meant to be part of India’s commitment to the trilateral agreement between India, Iran and Afghanistan to build an alternative trade route to Afghanistan and Central Asia.
In May 2016, during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Tehran to sign the Chabahar agreement with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, IRCON had signed an MoU with the Iranian rail ministry.
The MoU was to construct the Chabahar-Zahedan railway as “part of transit and transportation corridor in trilateral agreement between India, Iran and Afghanistan”. IRCON had promised to provide all services and financing for the project (around $1.6bn).
However, despite several site visits by IRCON engineers, and preparations by Iranian Railways, India never began the work, ostensibly due to worries that these could attract US sanctions. The US had provided a sanctions waiver for the Chabahar port and the rail line to Zahedan, but it has been difficult to find equipment suppliers and partners due to worries they could be targeted by the US, said officials. India has already “zeroed out” its oil imports from Iran due to the sanctions.
India’s Ministry of External Affairs and IRCON declined to comment on the issue, The Hindu said.
Published in Dawn, July 15th, 2020
A friendly Iran trumps any fence.
There’s also some speculation that the Iranians weren’t all too pleased with the burgeoning Humsaaya Mulk-Israel nexus. All those photo ops with Netanyahu probably didn’t help.
Apparently the Chabahar port and railway was exempt from sanctions, so unlike the cheap oil imports, this was viable, especially with regards to the Humsaaya Mulk strategy vis-a-vis Afghanistan and Central Asia beyond. This is a veritable coup, their grapes-are-sour protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
I would love for us to have brotherly relations but Iran makes no friends.
I see what you did there
As a Persophile, frayed Pakistan-Iran relations have pained me no end. Centuries of Persian influence and cordial relations between 1947 all the way up to the late 70s shunted aside in favor of a relationship with the Wahhabi Entity, entirely to our detriment: we’ve been the battleground for sectarian warfare, had a needlessly hostile neighbor along the South West, been at loggerheads with Iran in Afghanistan, and provided the Humsaaya Mulk a strategic opening along that border. Last but not least, we cannot ignore Iranian influence among the Shia in Pakistan, GB in particular, and Kargil in Ladakh. We can do without a hostile Iran.
One swallow does not a summer make, but here’s to hoping.
Both Imran Khan and Bajwa have made an effort to improve relations with Iran. There was a Pew poll back a few years ago, and Pakistanis had the most favorable ratings of Iran of all countries polled. So in an ideal world our relation with Iran would be as good as with China.
However relations with Saudi and the other Gulf countries cant be jeopardized. Millions of Pakistanis work there, the economy would collapse without those remittances. And Arab countries have been generous in the support they have given Pakistan in time of need.
So there needs to be a delicate balance.
But that's just it: there is no balance. For forty years now, the balance in our foreign policy between the Arabs and the Iranians has been skewed in what is in my opinion the wrong direction.
For all the remittances and the support, lets also not forget that their influence wreaked havoc on the fragile sectarian ecosystem in Pakistan.
A friendly Iran trumps any fence.
No, it doesnt. Iran is the nexus of evil alongwith Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. These countries will never be peaceful or let anyone be peaceful. Iran is a terrible neightbour to have, they have hosted and supported BLA while our jahil awam went to Iran to fight their wars in Syria. Iran has supported India, and even partnered with them on Chahbar until Uncle Sam gave them a deserving smacking and China saw the opportunity to straighten them up. Iranians also suffer from severe superiority complex, and are delusional.
No, it doesnt. Iran is the nexus of evil alongwith Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. These countries will never be peaceful or let anyone be peaceful. Iran is a terrible neightbour to have, they have hosted and supported BLA while our jahil awam went to Iran to fight their wars in Syria. Iran has supported India, and even partnered with them on Chahbar until Uncle Sam gave them a deserving smacking and China saw the opportunity to straighten them up. Iranians also suffer from severe superiority complex, and are delusional.
So Iran has denied what was said by The Hindu.
So now Aljazeera is the the main thing?
Iran denies 'dropping' India from key railway project
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...ct-citing-funding-delays-200715063259623.html
The first quote in the article you posted reads like this:
"totally false because Iran has not inked any deal with India regarding the Zahedan-Chabahr"
Agreed, as per Al Jazeera the report of the Hindu is wrong because India did not had any deal in the first place itself.
Going by either the report of the Hindu or Al Jazeera, the bottomline is India is not involved / ousted from the construction of railway line in Iran.
Agreed, as per Al Jazeera the report of the Hindu is wrong because India did not had any deal in the first place itself.
How can one be ousted if they are not involved in the first place?
Iran clearly states that India was to be involved only in the port.
Probably a good thing for India. Any investment in oil and gas at this time is risky. The future is electric. The market capitalization of Tesla has gone from $80 billion about 4 months ago to $280 billion today, that is about 5X the combined market capitalization of Ford and GM.
Good, I never saw much point in the Chabahar, Iranians are hamstrung in every way, plus they keep changing their mind every few weeks. It would have been a disaster if India spent all that money to make the Iranian project a reality.
So Chabahar Project has been reduced from a game changer to a potential disaster with this one decision.
Interesting developments.
Good for us.
This.
If the strategic deal with Iran brings economic resurgence to Iran's economy it would surely ease out tensions which are driven by poverty. This might also mean crackdown on certain groups operating out of Iran carrying attacks in Pakistan (something similar to PSX type attack).
I would love for us to have brotherly relations but Iran makes no friends.
Chinese are levelheaded, smart and realistic. They know how to manoeuvre around and produce a strategic win.
In my opinion, this is a bigger loss for India than that worthless valley conquered by China.
As above posters are reiterating, Pakistan should strengthen its ties to Iran. We should be more like China (economy focused) and less like 'Murica (conflict focused).
China is slowly becoming a very unique and unprecedented superpower.
Both Imran Khan and Bajwa have made an effort to improve relations with Iran. There was a Pew poll back a few years ago, and Pakistanis had the most favorable ratings of Iran of all countries polled. So in an ideal world our relation with Iran would be as good as with China.
However relations with Saudi and the other Gulf countries cant be jeopardized. Millions of Pakistanis work there, the economy would collapse without those remittances. And Arab countries have been generous in the support they have given Pakistan in time of need.
So there needs to be a delicate balance.
Yes i agree with that. However things are changing. The Bajwa doctrine mentioned making Iran a strong ally. Pakistan parliament voted against joining Yemen war. Imran Khan has talked about forging Iran- Saudi peace. Relations are still skewed towards the Arabs but they are not as strong as before, especially with the Arab countries having improved relations with India and refusing to comment on Kashmir.
Neutrality is best option for Pakistan.
The Islamic history here is complex, with the Shia Sunni split being one of the greatest fitnahs that the Ummah has had to face. It's also unavoidable now, with centuries of story-telling intermixed with fake facts it has resulted in both sides creating their own alternate history.
That said, the only way forward is actually living along with the differences and hoping that no major war takes place between Pakistan and Iran. The policy of trying to get Iran and KSA at the same table is something that should have started years ago, but it's still not too late.
Pakistan needs strategic depth, and as [MENTION=22846]Nostalgic[/MENTION] said, friendships (ok relations with other countries) trump fences.
They probably have equally nice things to say about us. We had cordial relations with Iran prior to the revolution and Zia's coup, so we can mend our fences... pun intended.
Shocking comments from Indian members. <b>It was the "game changer" and the "master stroke" to keep check on Gawadar and reduce its effectiveness to a great margin.</b> Just because India has been ousted by China through Iran, its some how "good for us". Come on, guys. This is a huge diplomatic failure and will have long lasting effects. Dont forget Iran supports you guys over Pakistan as it has shared interests of keeping Pakistan in check.
[MENTION=133726]GoUgandaCranes[/MENTION] [MENTION=22846]Nostalgic[/MENTION]I was trying to find time to reply on Iran's dynamic with Pakistan and finally got some.
Iran has never been Pakistan's friend other than during Shah's time. They have engaged in proxy warfare in Pakistan through supporting BLA, and trying to sabotage projects in Gawadar etc.
They partnered with India in Chahbahar to reduce effectiveness of Gawadar, they have at every front tried to harm the interests of Pakistan.
On a sectarian level, they have raised a whole milita army with the name Zaibbouyun, where many fools from our country join the militia to fight their proxy wars in Syria and Yemen. So, they our countrymen are effectively exporting terrorism, those idiots. They are known to abet and sponsor terrorism and secatrian warfare in Pakistan as well. A certain sect's sub section in Pakistan, has more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan.
Where was Kulbushan Yadav found from, Iran? Where was Uzair Baloch trace from, Iran? Where are BLA fighters coming from, Iran? The Iranian general who was shot through a drone strike openly spoke about teaching "Pakistan a lesson".
Friendship with Iran over the Gulf who are also evil is simply not worth it. Gulf is the lesser evil as they have monetary advantage to us. Iran has the same status as North Korea worldwide, and worth nothing. They are a trouble making country and an absolute nuisance. Their military and airforce is an absolute joke, and they are a totalitarian government who dont give their own public proper internet access. When we decided not to go for Yemen war, what did it give us from Iran? Nothing. They kept supporting BLA, and their proxies in Pakistan. Instead we offended the Gulf, who have now showed a lot of leaning towards India. Then we run back to them whenever we need money?
Pakistani establishment and government have many times tried to establish friendly relations with Iran to no avail. They even keep Iran's military border attacks in Pakistan lowkey as well. Those never get many eyeballs but Iranian border is a huge issue which is why it is being fenced. The recent attack from BLA was traced to the Iranian border as the wires were found across the border.
I personally would have loved to see USA smash Iran to pieces, but welcome China's influence as it would kill India's weak influence in the region.
Pakistan needs strategic depth in Afghanistan to keep check on India - that we have through Iran. We cannot buy similar depth in Iran who is vehemently anti-Pakistan, and are jealous noisy neighbours. Tagging you both in my other much detailed reply.
Show me one post where I said it was a "game changer", "master stroke" or whatever. You obviously think 1.3 billion Indians all hold the same view.
No replies unless I see something intelligent. I should just use the acronym "NRUISSI" for this policy of mine![]()
This recent phenomenon of exiting something one never entered now has a term:
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I was trying to find time to reply on Iran's dynamic with Pakistan and finally got some.
Iran has never been Pakistan's friend other than during Shah's time. They have engaged in proxy warfare in Pakistan through supporting BLA, and trying to sabotage projects in Gawadar etc.
They partnered with India in Chahbahar to reduce effectiveness of Gawadar, they have at every front tried to harm the interests of Pakistan.
On a sectarian level, they have raised a whole milita army with the name Zaibbouyun, where many fools from our country join the militia to fight their proxy wars in Syria and Yemen. So, they our countrymen are effectively exporting terrorism, those idiots. They are known to abet and sponsor terrorism and secatrian warfare in Pakistan as well. A certain sect's sub section in Pakistan, has more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan.
Where was Kulbushan Yadav found from, Iran? Where was Uzair Baloch trace from, Iran? Where are BLA fighters coming from, Iran? The Iranian general who was shot through a drone strike openly spoke about teaching "Pakistan a lesson".
Friendship with Iran over the Gulf who are also evil is simply not worth it. Gulf is the lesser evil as they have monetary advantage to us. Iran has the same status as North Korea worldwide, and worth nothing. They are a trouble making country and an absolute nuisance. Their military and airforce is an absolute joke, and they are a totalitarian government who dont give their own public proper internet access. When we decided not to go for Yemen war, what did it give us from Iran? Nothing. They kept supporting BLA, and their proxies in Pakistan. Instead we offended the Gulf, who have now showed a lot of leaning towards India. Then we run back to them whenever we need money?
Pakistani establishment and government have many times tried to establish friendly relations with Iran to no avail. They even keep Iran's military border attacks in Pakistan lowkey as well. Those never get many eyeballs but Iranian border is a huge issue which is why it is being fenced. The recent attack from BLA was traced to the Iranian border as the wires were found across the border.
I personally would have loved to see USA smash Iran to pieces, but welcome China's influence as it would kill India's weak influence in the region.
Iran denies 'dropping' India from key railway project
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...ct-citing-funding-delays-200715063259623.html
Shocking comments from Indian members. It was the "game changer" and the "master stroke" to keep check on Gawadar and reduce its effectiveness to a great margin. Just because India has been ousted by China through Iran, its some how "good for us". Come on, guys. This is a huge diplomatic failure and will have long lasting effects. Dont forget Iran supports you guys over Pakistan as it has shared interests of keeping Pakistan in check.
lol What ? This guy, are you delusional ?. Show me a post where I said Iran Chabahar port was a game changer ?
Iran is a useless country with minimal influence, barely a handful of countries are on their side. They are also bipolar with their often changes in opinions, it would have been terrible for India to fund all their construction projects and then the Chinese came there and took it all over and Iran gave India the boot
Some of you just have no clue, what you are on about...
Show me one post where I said it was a "game changer", "master stroke" or whatever. You obviously think 1.3 billion Indians all hold the same view.
No replies unless I see something intelligent. I should just use the acronym "NRUISSI" for this policy of mine![]()
Also don't forget oil is a dying industry. One early sign is the Tesla stock, which has taken off like a rocket. At current prices you add the value of stock of Ford to GM, and multiply by 5 to get the value of Tesla stock!
US, UK, Germany, Japan, South Korea, even Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines... yes!
Iran??? Only idiots will want to invest in a country that belongs to the list of 13 which kill people for apostasy. If the Saudis want to invest $15 billion in an Indian refinery, by all means take their money. However, don't invest any money there in return.
https://www.indy100.com/article/the-countries-where-apostasy-is-punishable-by-death--Z110j2Uwxb
Well he did clearly say ‘Indian members.’ Seems like you have the comprehension issues here.
Also lol at you of all people being the one to decide what is an ‘intelligent post.’ Gotta say I’m unsure about whether you’re intelligent or not but you sure can be funny![]()
Also don't forget oil is a dying industry. One early sign is the Tesla stock, which has taken off like a rocket. At current prices you add the value of stock of Ford to GM, and multiply by 5 to get the value of Tesla stock!
US, UK, Germany, Japan, South Korea, even Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines... yes!
Iran??? Only idiots will want to invest in a country that belongs to the list of 13 which kill people for apostasy. If the Saudis want to invest $15 billion in an Indian refinery, by all means take their money. However, don't invest any money there in return.
https://www.indy100.com/article/the-countries-where-apostasy-is-punishable-by-death--Z110j2Uwxb
He said Indian members generally. You’ve been on the forum for a long time. Do you disagree that many Indian posters called it game changer when this news first came out few years ago?Umm what ? He quoted us and said we made shocking comments and then went on with his delusional post claiming that the reason we were saying Chabhahar was no longer a good option because the Chinese outsted India from it. Our point was; we never supported the idea of Chabhahar from the start before the Chinese even came into the picture...
I don't know, maybe your comprehension needs further review ?
The Chabahar was one of the few bad decisions he made
He said Indian members generally. You’ve been on the forum for a long time. Do you disagree that many Indian posters called it game changer when this news first came out few years ago?
What makes the Chabahar deal hot
Prime Minister Modi's Iran visit led to the much-awaited signing of the Chabahar deal between Iran, India and Afghanistan. Developing the port will be a major breakthrough for India's trade relations with West Asia. Here is why the Chabahar deal will be game-changer for India:
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Why is the deal important?
Gives India strategic heft in region; helps it bypass Pakistan & build closer ties with Iran and Afghanistan.
Closer ties with Iran will allow Delhi to secure cheaper energy imports.
Offsets China’s growing infl uence and reach in the region. China is heavily invested in developing Gwadar Port in Pakistan, of equal signifi cance, some 100-odd km west of Chabahar as the crow flies.
Chabahar Port route helps connect India with energy-rich Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan & other central Asian nations
This route is 40% shorter, 30% less expensive than trade via the Red Sea-Suez CanalMediterranean route
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Run-up to the deal
In 2009, India built a 218 km long (@$100m) link road from Delaram in western Afghanistan to Zaranj on the Iran-Afghan border to link up with Chabahar port.
Zaranj-Delaram highway connects with the 2,200 km two-lane metalled road network, known as the Garland Road that connects major cities in the country
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3.
Why Chabahar is crucial
Sits at mouth of Strait of Hormuz area
Connects three regions: Central Asia, South Asia and West Asia
Junction of shipping, oil trade routes
About 100,000 ships sail by yearly
Region holds two-thirds world oil reserves; estimated 17 billion barrels of crude oil passes this way daily
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What it mean for Afghanistan
Unhindered access to the Indian Ocean
India-built highway will link country to Chabahar port, further trade
Afghanistan hopes to exploit $1trillion of untapped mineral wealth to earn revenue
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5.
What India may invest in Chabahar
India will invest $85 million to build a container terminal & a multi-purpose cargo terminal
On May 6, 2015, Union minister Nitin Gadkari signed MoU with Iran to complete this by Dec 2016
Iran wants Chabahar to be the third major hub for its petrochemical industries
Indian private & public sector entities projected investment worth $22 billion in the free trade zone area
Chemicals, petrochem, steel, fertilizer are major sectors, besides Indian railways likely to invest
India was offered the project to develop Chabahar port in 2003 by Iran, intended to be a critical access-point to land-locked Afghanistan
For Afghanistan, an operational Chabahar route was a better alternative. It would reduce its dependence on Pakistan — the sole nation providing it access to the sea
Pakistan has been reluctant to allow Indian goods to pass overland through its territory
The project did not take off over US sanctions against Iran, but India has gone ahead now following lifting of the sanctions..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/What-makes-the-Chabahar-deal-hot/listshow/52428109.cms?
This India, Iran & Afgan alliance looks very good for the future![]()
1.India and Pakistan started at the same point in 1947.Dont know what history you read.Pakistan was ahead of India in first 20 years and since then India has moved ahead while Pakistan has gone way behind.
2.Good for you.But aids doesnt develop a country.Pakistan hasnt learnt anything from past mistakes.
3.Chabahar provides the same advantage as Gwadar.Because they are situated close to each other.But Chabahar gives a route to central Asia.And Iran is a much more stable country than Pakistan.
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] bhai singing hymns about the strategic advantages:
Mere Keyboard warrior bhai
What strategic location??What land locked?
India has bypassed Pakistan by going to Chabahar.
Our dear friend [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION]'s being excited about the port deal few years ago and sharing why it is 'hot':
Our dear friend [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION]'s being excited about the port deal few years ago and sharing why it is 'hot':
^ Ufff romali_rotti alliya, you have dug yourself into a hole now hehe.
I cannot believe I made that post,, Takes full slap on the face, Slog Owned me hands down.... My Opinion on Chabhahar has changed since then I made that delusional post... My concerns have been ever since Iran started showing its bipolar behaviour of voicing support for the Kashmiris out of the blue, which does not bond well for Indian interest...
Kudoss...
I cannot believe I made that post,, Takes full slap on the face, Slog Owned me hands down.... My Opinion on Chabhahar has changed since then I made that delusional post... My concerns have been ever since Iran started showing its bipolar behaviour of voicing support for the Kashmiris out of the blue, which does not bond well for Indian interest...
Kudoss...
I was trying to find time to reply on Iran's dynamic with Pakistan and finally got some.
Iran has never been Pakistan's friend other than during Shah's time. They have engaged in proxy warfare in Pakistan through supporting BLA, and trying to sabotage projects in Gawadar etc.
They partnered with India in Chahbahar to reduce effectiveness of Gawadar, they have at every front tried to harm the interests of Pakistan.
On a sectarian level, they have raised a whole milita army with the name Zaibbouyun, where many fools from our country join the militia to fight their proxy wars in Syria and Yemen. So, they our countrymen are effectively exporting terrorism, those idiots. They are known to abet and sponsor terrorism and secatrian warfare in Pakistan as well. A certain sect's sub section in Pakistan, has more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan.
Where was Kulbushan Yadav found from, Iran? Where was Uzair Baloch trace from, Iran? Where are BLA fighters coming from, Iran? The Iranian general who was shot through a drone strike openly spoke about teaching "Pakistan a lesson".
Friendship with Iran over the Gulf who are also evil is simply not worth it. Gulf is the lesser evil as they have monetary advantage to us. Iran has the same status as North Korea worldwide, and worth nothing. They are a trouble making country and an absolute nuisance. Their military and airforce is an absolute joke, and they are a totalitarian government who dont give their own public proper internet access. When we decided not to go for Yemen war, what did it give us from Iran? Nothing. They kept supporting BLA, and their proxies in Pakistan. Instead we offended the Gulf, who have now showed a lot of leaning towards India. Then we run back to them whenever we need money?
Pakistani establishment and government have many times tried to establish friendly relations with Iran to no avail. They even keep Iran's military border attacks in Pakistan lowkey as well. Those never get many eyeballs but Iranian border is a huge issue which is why it is being fenced. The recent attack from BLA was traced to the Iranian border as the wires were found across the border.
I personally would have loved to see USA smash Iran to pieces, but welcome China's influence as it would kill India's weak influence in the region.
I was trying to find time to reply on Iran's dynamic with Pakistan and finally got some.
Iran has never been Pakistan's friend other than during Shah's time. They have engaged in proxy warfare in Pakistan through supporting BLA, and trying to sabotage projects in Gawadar etc.
They partnered with India in Chahbahar to reduce effectiveness of Gawadar, they have at every front tried to harm the interests of Pakistan.
On a sectarian level, they have raised a whole milita army with the name Zaibbouyun, where many fools from our country join the militia to fight their proxy wars in Syria and Yemen. So, they our countrymen are effectively exporting terrorism, those idiots. They are known to abet and sponsor terrorism and secatrian warfare in Pakistan as well. A certain sect's sub section in Pakistan, has more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan.
Where was Kulbushan Yadav found from, Iran? Where was Uzair Baloch trace from, Iran? Where are BLA fighters coming from, Iran? The Iranian general who was shot through a drone strike openly spoke about teaching "Pakistan a lesson".
Friendship with Iran over the Gulf who are also evil is simply not worth it. Gulf is the lesser evil as they have monetary advantage to us. Iran has the same status as North Korea worldwide, and worth nothing. They are a trouble making country and an absolute nuisance. Their military and airforce is an absolute joke, and they are a totalitarian government who dont give their own public proper internet access. When we decided not to go for Yemen war, what did it give us from Iran? Nothing. They kept supporting BLA, and their proxies in Pakistan. Instead we offended the Gulf, who have now showed a lot of leaning towards India. Then we run back to them whenever we need money?
Pakistani establishment and government have many times tried to establish friendly relations with Iran to no avail. They even keep Iran's military border attacks in Pakistan lowkey as well. Those never get many eyeballs but Iranian border is a huge issue which is why it is being fenced. The recent attack from BLA was traced to the Iranian border as the wires were found across the border.
I personally would have loved to see USA smash Iran to pieces, but welcome China's influence as it would kill India's weak influence in the region.
I cannot believe I made that post,, Takes full slap on the face, Slog Owned me hands down.... My Opinion on Chabhahar has changed since then I made that delusional post... My concerns have been ever since Iran started showing its bipolar behaviour of voicing support for the Kashmiris out of the blue, which does not bond well for Indian interest...
Kudoss...
This line gives away the bias/hatred or whatever you have against Iran.
They are our Muslim brothers with cultural links for centuries, we should learn to live with each other despite our differences.
Iranians believe that we have been acting like US's puppet in the region, fighting its wars in Afghanistan. Now that we are moving closer to China and with India's shift towards US-Israel-Gulf, Iranians animosity towards Pakistan will naturally decrease.
We cannot be friends with Iran but we do not have to be enemies either.
Vehicles aren’t the only thing which run on crude oil. You’re making it seem like that’s it. Plastics, jet fuel, rubber, prosthetics and a long list are a result of the byproducts of crude.
And anyways Tesla still forms a minuscule part of the US vehicle market before we even get into the world market. Market cap is one metric and it is driven (especially right now) on sentiment in a bull market. So yes it’s doing well but it’s factually incorrect to suggest that the world or even US vehicles do not run on gasoline by and large or that there has been a huge cultural shift to render conventional cars obsolete anytime soon.
Tesla delivered 90,650 vehicles in the second quarter of this year, a figure that leaves Wall Street estimates in the dust. Industry analysts prepared for a lower delivery total of between 60,000 and 80,000 cars, considering Tesla's signature plant in Fremont, California was shut down for over a month due to the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-q2-deliveries-production-estimates/