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Iran fires multiple ballistic missiles towards Israel as a retaliatory measure for its insane actions

Mamoon said:
Overseas Pakistanis who fund Israel with their tax money tend to be the loudest as well. Perhaps it is their way of compensation and overcoming their guilt.

Most of the actual Pakistanis like myself couldn’t care less about this conflict because we don’t have a dog in this fight. We have no connection with a Palestine or Israel to take sides.

Those who do only provide lip service and will do some useless boycotts like abstain from Coke, Pepsi, McDonald’s etc. that is about it.

Even our media is not particularly interested and vested in this conflict.
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It’s hard to fight against the government, I pay taxes in States and money goes for the same killing and military complex, and it’s painful but one person cannot make any changes to where our taxes go.
I doubt Pakistani Brits make up more than 10% of UK citizens paying tax to cause a stoppage.
Change will happen when people loudly fight against the money going to Israel, US is going through that surely UK is as well, so being loud works in this case.
 

UN chief condemns Iran attack after Israel ban​


The United Nations secretary general has condemned Iranian strikes on Israel, after earlier being banned from the country for his initial response.

Speaking to the UN Security Council, António Guterres said it was high time to stop what he called the "deadly cycle of ***-for-tat violence" in the Middle East.

In an earlier statement, Israel's Foreign Minister Israel Katz declared Guterres persona non grata and an "anti-Israel secretary-general who lends support to terrorists".

The comments were issued in response to Guterres initially calling for a ceasefire, but not specifically mentioning the Iran attack.

Addressing the council, the UN secretary general said he had condemned the attack in April, and "as should have been obvious yesterday in the context of the condemnation I expressed, I again strongly condemn yesterday's massive missile attack by Iran on Israel".

"These attacks paradoxically do not seem to support the cause of the Palestinian people, or reduce their suffering," he said.

He also criticised Israel's actions in the region, calling the military campaign in Gaza "the most deadly and destructive military campaign in my years as secretary general".

On Tuesday, Iran launched about 180 ballistic missiles into Israel, with Israel saying most of them were intercepted.

In a statement after the attack on social media site X, formerly Twitter, Guterres said he condemned "the broadening of the Middle East conflict with escalation after escalation".

Prior to Guterres remarks to the UN Security Council, Katz said in a statement that anyone who "cannot unequivocally condemn Iran's heinous attack on Israel does not deserve to step foot on Israeli soil".

He specifically criticised Guterres for "his anti-Israel policy since the beginning of the war".

Tuesday's attack by Iran is the latest in a series of escalations, starting almost a year ago with attacks on Israel by Hamas, and recently involving increased fighting between Iran-backed Hezbollah and Israel.

Israel launched a military campaign in Gaza in response to the unprecedented attack on southern Israel on 7 October by Hamas gunmen, during which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage.

Since the attack, a military campaign in Gaza has now killed a total of 41,689 people, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

Over the course of the conflict, there have been a number of clashes between Israel and the United Nations about the situation in Gaza and the West Bank.

There has also been friction between Israel and the UN over the role of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA.

In January, Israel alleged that a number of the agency's staff members had been involved in the 7 October attacks.

In response to this, the agency launched an investigation - with a number of its international funders withdrawing support for it, before later reinstating it. In August, nine staff members were dismissed over potential involvement in the attacks.

During the conflict, UNRWA has criticised Israel for air strikes in Gaza which have killed its staff members.

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UN Secretary General António Guterres condemns Iran attack after Israel ban

António Guterres said it was time to stop what he called the 'deadly cycle of ***-for-tat violence' in the Middle East.
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Clashes between Hezbollah and Israel are continuing, with the Israeli military saying its troops have reached 400 meters into Lebanon

The Israel Defense Forces announced the deaths of eight Israeli soldiers - the first inside Lebanon since the invasion began

Meanwhile, Lebanon's state-run National News Agency (NNA) says six people were killed following an Israeli attack on the town of Aitaroun, southern Lebanon

It earlier reported that three people were killed in an early morning Israeli strike on the village of Debel, close to the Israeli border
A meeting of UN Security Council on the situation in the Middle East is currently under way. Secretary- General Antonio Guterres reiterated his call for a ceasefire, warning: "Time is running out"

In Gaza, the Hamas-run health ministry says Israeli strikes in Khan Younis killed at least 51 people.
 

UK troops didn't need to engage, says Healey​


UK forces were ready to engage after Iran launched ballistic missiles on Israel, but they "didn't need to do so", the UK defence secretary has said.

John Healey, who is in Cyprus visiting military personnel, said RAF Typhoons were in the air at the time of the attack on Tuesday night, but Israel’s own defences dealt with the threat.

He said the nature of the assault was different compared to April when RAF Typhoon jets based in Cyprus shot down Iranian drones. The jets are not equipped to track and target ballistic missiles.

Healey said the UK's involvement was part of an effort to prevent escalation and to show the UK’s steadfast support for Israel’s security.

The BBC also understands that Royal Navy Destroyer, HMS Duncan, did not fire any of her Sea Viper missiles.

Healey thanked British personnel involved for their courage and professionalism.

"The UK stands fully behind Israel's right to defend its country and its people against threats."

The defence secretary said he also spoke to his Israeli counterpart Yoav Gallant on Wednesday morning, where he said the UK condemned the Iranian attack.

"We continue to support steadfast their [Israel's] right to security, but our biggest concern is to avoid this conflict spiralling out of control and into a wider regional war," Healey said.

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said it had launched the missiles on Tuesday in retaliation for recent attacks that killed the leaders of the Hezbollah and Hamas militant groups, as well as a senior Iranian commander.

Israel said most of the 180 missiles fired were intercepted.

US forces were also involved in helping Israel strike down Iranian missiles, confirming that two of its guided missile destroyers - USS Cole and USS Bulkeley, which are based in the eastern Mediterranean - fired a dozen interceptors at incoming missiles.

Capt Bill Urban, lead spokesman for US Naval Forces Europe and Africa, said: "Multiple missiles are believed to have been successfully engaged at this time."

Healey's visit to Cyprus will see him meet some of the British personnel preparing for the possibility of evacuating British nationals from Lebanon.

Britons in Lebanon have been advised to register their presence with officials on the government's website and a UK-chartered plane is set to leave Beirut on Wednesday.

The previously sporadic cross-border fighting between Israel and Hezbollah escalated on 8 October 2023 - the day after the unprecedented attack on Israel by Hamas gunmen from the Gaza Strip - when Hezbollah fired at Israeli positions, in solidarity with the Palestinians.

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John Healey: UK troops ready to engage with Iran but didn't need to

The UK defence secretary says Israel’s defences were able to deal with the threat.
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You gotta love the west's double standards

They are fine whilst the zionists murder tens of thousands of Palestinians, Lebanon is invaded and bombed over a thousand dead there so far, Syria is bombed multiple times, yemen is bombed, Iranians embassy is bombed, the Hamas leader is murdered in Iran but if anyone retaliates then that's an escalation and an act of aggression and war

Like the Ayotollah said they can get lost
 
FearlessRoar said:

UK troops didn't need to engage, says Healey​


UK forces were ready to engage after Iran launched ballistic missiles on Israel, but they "didn't need to do so", the UK defence secretary has said.

John Healey, who is in Cyprus visiting military personnel, said RAF Typhoons were in the air at the time of the attack on Tuesday night, but Israel’s own defences dealt with the threat.

He said the nature of the assault was different compared to April when RAF Typhoon jets based in Cyprus shot down Iranian drones. The jets are not equipped to track and target ballistic missiles.

Healey said the UK's involvement was part of an effort to prevent escalation and to show the UK’s steadfast support for Israel’s security.

The BBC also understands that Royal Navy Destroyer, HMS Duncan, did not fire any of her Sea Viper missiles.

Healey thanked British personnel involved for their courage and professionalism.

"The UK stands fully behind Israel's right to defend its country and its people against threats."

The defence secretary said he also spoke to his Israeli counterpart Yoav Gallant on Wednesday morning, where he said the UK condemned the Iranian attack.

"We continue to support steadfast their [Israel's] right to security, but our biggest concern is to avoid this conflict spiralling out of control and into a wider regional war," Healey said.

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said it had launched the missiles on Tuesday in retaliation for recent attacks that killed the leaders of the Hezbollah and Hamas militant groups, as well as a senior Iranian commander.

Israel said most of the 180 missiles fired were intercepted.

US forces were also involved in helping Israel strike down Iranian missiles, confirming that two of its guided missile destroyers - USS Cole and USS Bulkeley, which are based in the eastern Mediterranean - fired a dozen interceptors at incoming missiles.

Capt Bill Urban, lead spokesman for US Naval Forces Europe and Africa, said: "Multiple missiles are believed to have been successfully engaged at this time."

Healey's visit to Cyprus will see him meet some of the British personnel preparing for the possibility of evacuating British nationals from Lebanon.

Britons in Lebanon have been advised to register their presence with officials on the government's website and a UK-chartered plane is set to leave Beirut on Wednesday.

The previously sporadic cross-border fighting between Israel and Hezbollah escalated on 8 October 2023 - the day after the unprecedented attack on Israel by Hamas gunmen from the Gaza Strip - when Hezbollah fired at Israeli positions, in solidarity with the Palestinians.

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John Healey: UK troops ready to engage with Iran but didn't need to

The UK defence secretary says Israel’s defences were able to deal with the threat.
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Why didn't they try to engage when Israel was bombing children and women in Gaza? This shows how biased West is in this war.
 
Hitman said:
That means Hamas successfully dug not only their own graves, but thousands of grave for their people.
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Israel was already digging their graves not Hamas. Hamas was born out of Israel’s illegal occupation which is why this “current ongoing war” has been ongoing for decades. Don’t try to make your starting point Oct 7.
 
Rajdeep said:

Sir Keir Starmer condemns Iran’s attack on Israel ‘in the strongest terms’​


A Downing Street spokesperson said on Tuesday evening: “The Prime Minister spoke to Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu this afternoon, and they discussed the escalating situation across the Middle East.

“The Prime Minister condemned Iran’s attack on Israel today in the strongest terms, which began during the leaders’ conversation, and expressed the UK’s steadfast commitment to Israeli security and the protection of civilians.

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Sir Keir Starmer condemns Iran’s attack on Israel ‘in the strongest terms’

The Prime Minister spoke to Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday afternoon.
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Has he condemned israelis killjng women childrens babies in hospitals in gaza by the thousands and thousands?
 
Joe Biden to discuss Israel’s response with Netanyahu

President Biden said he does not support strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites in response to its missile attack against Israel.

Earlier, “Biden joined a call with the G7 to discuss Iran’s attack … and to coordinate on a response … including new sanctions,” according to a readout of the meeting.

Biden also told reporters that “we’ll be discussing with the Israelis what they’re going to do, but all seven of us [G7 nations] agree that they have a right to respond but the response but they should respond proportionally.”

The G7 includes the US, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, Japan and the UK.

Source: Al Jazeera
 
Mamoon said:
Overseas Pakistanis who fund Israel with their tax money tend to be the loudest as well. Perhaps it is their way of compensation and overcoming their guilt.

Most of the actual Pakistanis like myself couldn’t care less about this conflict because we don’t have a dog in this fight. We have no connection with a Palestine or Israel to take sides.

Those who do only provide lip service and will do some useless boycotts like abstain from Coke, Pepsi, McDonald’s etc. that is about it.

Even our media is not particularly interested and vested in this conflict.
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Wow man, when your in ‘heel’ mode, the neighbours were frothing, foaming and vexing. Looks like you saved a fewcardiac arrests if you had continued. As others have mentioned , you seem to favour ‘diverse’ opinions. At least neighbours are happy 😂😂
 
Stewie said:
I am sure you are being sarcastic here but still I would like to point out to the benefit of all that Iran and Iranians seem to be the only ones standing up to Israel. All other Muslim countries have clearly given up.

And it is a sad situation because like what happened to Bosnians, same happens and has been happening with Palestinians and Uyghurs and the Rohingyas. There seems to be zero action unless the interests of a certain countries are involved.

What is the point of having a United Nations go earning body when they are merely a puppet.
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Just Muslim hate dressed as a ‘joke’.
White people Calling blacks ‘n*gg*r then saying i have soooo many black friends im not racist
 
Mamoon said:
Overseas Pakistanis who fund Israel with their tax money tend to be the loudest as well. Perhaps it is their way of compensation and overcoming their guilt
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What did I just read? That has to be the most ignorant thing I've come across on internet in a long while
 
Mamoon said:
Most of the actual Pakistanis like myself couldn’t care less about this conflict because we don’t have a dog in this fight. We have no connection with a Palestine or Israel to take sides.

Those who do only provide lip service and will do some useless boycotts like abstain from Coke, Pepsi, McDonald’s etc. that is about it.

Even our media is not particularly interested and vested in this conflict.
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Any particular reason why you haven't included the Fraands of Ijrael, the obsessed Hindudva fanatics who have been cheering on Israel genocide of Palestinians? Why double standards if you say Pakistanis shouldn't, then why have you left your beloved Bhakts lip service out of this comment? They are having a tough time seeing footage of missiles drops from Iran and have gone bonkers in this thread with "Fraandshipp" and "Raaavange is caaming" :))
 
Amreeka is just playing sleight of hand. It deliberately hasn't put any pressure on the zionest terrorists because they know the conflict would widen. This means they can go on another adventure in the ME after not being active in war there for a few years.

Not content with destruction of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc, Iran is now in their sights.
 
Israel to show “restraint” and only continue invasion of South Lebanon, Iran to warn Israel again after 2 months for killing a leader and attack with more missiles with advanced notice.
 
Kriketer said:
There are going through shocks and panic still as Israeli terrorist military camps have been flattened and missiles reached surrounding of Mossad HQ. Israel, West and Hindudva Fraands have been completely shocked by the massive drops of missiles, you guys need to check out those pretty hundreds of videos circulating of IDF terrorist camps getting bombarded, they are hiding it obviously as that would make a mockery of them but footage are all out there to see.
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I don't know about that.

All I saw was this amateur missile that lay there refusing to explode. Seemed like a scene from a cartoon.


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Has Israel or Iran reported any casualties on Israel side? Or was this second version of “What Iran is capable of” Attack?
 
RexRex said:
I don't know about that.

All I saw was this amateur missile that lay there refusing to explode. Seemed like a scene from a cartoon.


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That's probably a cartoon posted by Israel as they need to hide their faces. Looking at the precision missiles drops on IDF camps is quite a big achievement for Iran and anyone denying that these dozens falling within the same area of Israeli Terrorist camps wouldn't cause any damage is only fooling himself.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1841399233418514743
 
guard said:
??? What !?
How did you reach there
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That is what I am asking. You wanted me to take a guess...so I took one.

Now pls answer why Starmer, Sunak prior to that or even Biden only speaks up when Israel is attacked?
 
Rajdeep said:
That is what I am asking. You wanted me to take a guess...so I took one.

Now pls answer why Starmer, Sunak prior to that or even Biden only speaks up when Israel is attacked?
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One is the landlord, the other are tenants. Tenant pays Landlord happily endorses
 
KingKhanWC said:
Air base hit , gas station hit .

It’s a big moment for Iran , the iron dome looks like made from Indian plastic at the moment . In theory Iran can destroy Israel in a day but of course Iran will be hit by nukes .

Some idiot mentioned the Israel is tiny surrounded by enemies so it’s not the bully . Israel is protected by nato , but worse it’s a maniac religious satanic nutjob who believes it’s the end times … right now . If they can’t change the Netanyahu regime , it’s nuclear war eventually. Latest he’s been flown out as a precaution, but didn’t take the settlers with him
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Your bravado filled posts are like stress busters, similar to Iran's Diwali missiles. All intercepted by Israel, resulting in a waste of millions. Iranian army and intelligence are a joke; they even shot down their own passenger plane a few months ago :genius
 
Mamoon said:
Most of the actual Pakistanis like myself couldn’t care less about this conflict because we don’t have a dog in this fight. We have no connection with a Palestine or Israel to take sides.

Those who do only provide lip service and will do some useless boycotts like abstain from Coke, Pepsi, McDonald’s etc. that is about it.

Even our media is not particularly interested and vested in this conflict.
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Funny thing is, everyone liking this post is supporting Israel as if they have a “dog in this fight”.
 
Kriketer said:
Any particular reason why you haven't included the Fraands of Ijrael, the obsessed Hindudva fanatics who have been cheering on Israel genocide of Palestinians? Why double standards if you say Pakistanis shouldn't, then why have you left your beloved Bhakts lip service out of this comment? They are having a tough time seeing footage of missiles drops from Iran and have gone bonkers in this thread with "Fraandshipp" and "Raaavange is caaming" :))
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He is a Pakistani talking about pakistan.

Indians are free to do as they please. They owe no explanation to any foreigner.
 
JaDed said:
Shows how West has fooled everyone into thinking they are a shining ray of light, doesn’t help that guys like me migrate there but I’m aware regarding the hypocrisy.
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West hasn't fooled anyone. They are open about it.

Its their system. Their technology. They Control the financial instruments.

Rest are only working within it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
He is a Pakistani talking about pakistan.

Indians are free to do as they please. They owe no explanation to any foreigner.
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They are going through what we had to go through because of them during the Mumbai attacks. Only difference is in our cause it was our people who suffered and died, in their case it’s the people of their Ummah who are going through the same.​
 
NY times has done such biased reporting towards Israel that anytime any Pakistani poster ever posts about India from Ny times now onwards , I”ll derail the thread with all the Israel Iran news, don’t care if the mods ban me.
 
Hitman said:
They are going through what we had to go through because of them during the Mumbai attacks. Only difference is in our cause it was our people who suffered and died, in their case it’s the people of their Ummah who are going through the same.​
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A Ummah that doesn't exist. This the time of nation states.

But pakistanis don't seem to understand it. Look how they are demonizing Jordan.
 

INDIA'S ROLE AS 'FRIEND' OF BOTH IRAN AND ISRAEL​

The Iranian Ambassador saiid he has always believed that "India is a very important player in the region. It has good relations with Israel, and as PM Modi has mentioned that this is not the era for war. We in Iran believe that. But if a country violates the sovereignty of another country, what else can that country do?"
He hoped however, that "India, which has close ties with both sides (Iran and Israel), can help convince Israel to stop its brutality in the region."

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Iran Ambassador Calls Netanyahu "Hitler Of 21st Century", Says, India Can Help

Iran's Ambassador to India Iraj Elahi today said that his country will "strike Israel again", if Tel Aviv doesn't refrain from attacking Tehran's national assets and interests in the region.
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I usually ask India to sit on the fence in such conflicts. But if there is a role for India in bringing peace, we should do it.
 
Mamoon said:
Most of the actual Pakistanis like myself couldn’t care less about this conflict because we don’t have a dog in this fight. We have no connection with a Palestine or Israel to take sides.

Those who do only provide lip service and will do some useless boycotts like abstain from Coke, Pepsi, McDonald’s etc. that is about it.

Even our media is not particularly interested and vested in this conflict.
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“Actual Pakistanis” it’s interesting how you are using ethno-supremacy type language in your post. You probably don’t even realize what you sound like.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If they don't talk about Ummah, they cant claim the achievements and conquests of Arabs Turks and Persians.
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What’s funnier is Hindus trying to claim the achievement of Zionist murderers when they would never consider a Hindu to be equal to them.
 
JaDed said:
Shows how West has fooled everyone into thinking they are a shining ray of light, doesn’t help that guys like me migrate to West but I’m aware regarding the hypocrisy.
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The West will always work for its own needs and that's how it has always been, not sure who they fooled here ? You ? :unsure:

Perhaps you got your rosy ideas of the West from hollywood films.
 
RexRex said:
The West will always work for its own needs and that's how it has always been, not sure who they fooled here ? You ? :unsure:

Perhaps you got your rosy ideas of the West from hollywood films.
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Mostly from books, esp the leftist and socialist ones which they promoted(irony).
 
Mamoon said:
Overseas Pakistanis who fund Israel with their tax money tend to be the loudest as well. Perhaps it is their way of compensation and overcoming their guilt.

Most of the actual Pakistanis like myself couldn’t care less about this conflict because we don’t have a dog in this fight. We have no connection with a Palestine or Israel to take sides.

Those who do only provide lip service and will do some useless boycotts like abstain from Coke, Pepsi, McDonald’s etc. that is about it.

Even our media is not particularly interested and vested in this conflict.
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Over seas Pakistani and now lots of American, British, Canadian are loud because their tax dollars are being spent on genocide.

Unlike Pakistani living in Pakistan who are content with their tax dollars spent on rich politicians, the overseas Pakistanis aren’t, they would rather see that money spent within the country they reside.

Many Americans are upset about the government has no money to help hurricane victims in Florida but on the same day they sent 8+ billion to Israel.

People are doing whatever they could to end the genocide, ethnic cleansing, and occupation.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If they don't talk about Ummah, they cant claim the achievements and conquests of Arabs Turks and Persians.
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But it's always Indians talking about Ummah, once again even in this thread. I came to see what was being reported on effects of Iranian missile barrage on israel, and once again we have Indians piping up about Ummah even in unrelated threads. Like I said yesterday in a different thread, seems to be a real pain point.
 
cricketjoshila said:

INDIA'S ROLE AS 'FRIEND' OF BOTH IRAN AND ISRAEL​

The Iranian Ambassador saiid he has always believed that "India is a very important player in the region. It has good relations with Israel, and as PM Modi has mentioned that this is not the era for war. We in Iran believe that. But if a country violates the sovereignty of another country, what else can that country do?"
He hoped however, that "India, which has close ties with both sides (Iran and Israel), can help convince Israel to stop its brutality in the region."

www.ndtv.com

Iran Ambassador Calls Netanyahu "Hitler Of 21st Century", Says, India Can Help

Iran's Ambassador to India Iraj Elahi today said that his country will "strike Israel again", if Tel Aviv doesn't refrain from attacking Tehran's national assets and interests in the region.
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I usually ask India to sit on the fence in such conflicts. But if there is a role for India in bringing peace, we should do it.
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But nobody cares about Ind in the geopolitical spectrum. Its only pak that has any islamic nuclear bomb cache 🙂
 
RexRex said:
There's some truth to this. It's a kind of social climbing.

You won't find Arabs talk about the Ummah ever.
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None are really talking about the Ummah, only Indians seem to be obsessed with the idea. If Indians women and children were getting slaughtered and bombed confined in a small space for 75 years in this day and age then we would be discussing the same thing that it's inhumane and barbaric. Not sure why Indians struggle to understand that, but I guess that's what hate does to you as you would rather cheer thousands of children being blown to pieces than call out the wrong because you just hate them so much because of their religion. What a pathetic way to live your life
 
guard said:
One is the landlord, the other are tenants. Tenant pays Landlord happily endorses
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Kriketer said:
None are really talking about the Ummah, only Indians seem to be obsessed with the idea. If Indians women and children were getting slaughtered and bombed confined in a small space for 75 years in this day and age then we would be discussing the same thing that it's inhumane and barbaric. Not sure why Indians struggle to understand that, but I guess that's what hate does to you as you would rather cheer thousands of children being blown to pieces than call out the wrong because you just hate them so much because of their religion. What a pathetic way to live your life
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Because Muslim
 
Finally Iran fired missiles at Israel. Think it's a big blunder. Now israel will retaliate big. Iran should not have escalated- they have a lot to lose. This was more for domestic consumption. Uncharted territory now . Hope these nations stop the bloodshed and start talking. A full blown war will set Iran's economy a few decades back.
 
Hitman said:
I was disputing his laughable claim. Pakistanis have zero sympathy for India.
Hitman said:
I was disputing his laughable claim. Pakistanis have zero sympathy for India.
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I condemn the killing of innocents in the middle east. At the same time, I also notice the irony of how some people selectively mourn. Some of those here were actually celebrating barbaric muslim rules such as aurangzeb. Perhaps they don't consider the people killed by those terrorists as humans.
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Josh said:
It has kinda become a battle of religions. Both sides have their grievances. Ideally a third equally trustable to both the parties should make them sit and talk and sort this issue for once and all. A war will bring more misery to Palestinians and they have already lost so much. One has to feel for normal citizens of these countries.
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According to the beliefs of both religions, there will be war in the end anyway.
 
deltexas said:
Finally Iran fired missiles at Israel. Think it's a big blunder. Now israel will retaliate big. Iran should not have escalated- they have a lot to lose. This was more for domestic consumption. Uncharted territory now . Hope these nations stop the bloodshed and start talking. A full blown war will set Iran's economy a few decades back.
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I am not so sure. Western nations are underestimating Iran. They have thousands of underground and fortified missile sites and have now shown they’re not afraid to hit back. What we saw was just a little bit more than their drone show from a few months ago, the full scale of their prowess hasn’t been seen by anyone. Yes, Israel can hit them with more firepower but pulling the U.S. in will set the entire region on fire. Iran will go ballistic and bomb oil refineries everywhere, the entire global economy will be set back decades, not just Iran.
 
The irony of it all is that if not for this conflict, it would be obvious even to most Muslims, how horrible a State Iran is. Fundamentalist, dictatorial, constantly interfering in other countries' affairs. They've poked their noses into Lebanon (Hezbollah), Yemen(Houthis), Syria, Iraq, Bahrain even Pakistan and usually play a destabilizing role as part of their self-appointed role as custodian of the Shias.

It's tough to find a side to support in this confrontation between two vile nations. A lot of sympathy for the poor Palestinian civilians under the Israeli jackboot but I think they're very poorly served by the wrong country provoking, guiding and arming them.

There is no solution, even unfair, in this direction.
 
Hitman said:
I was disputing his laughable claim. Pakistanis have zero sympathy for India.
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That's the gibberish that is fed to you by your fanatic government and third class media. No one in Pakistan celebrated Mumbai attack, neither Pakistanis wish innocent Indian civilian getting attacked despite India carrying out many bombing attack in Pakistan killing thousands of innocent civilians over decades, and torturing killings lakhs of Kashmiris for over 75 years. But look at you Indians, you cherish the bombing of thousands of children and getting thrown out of their homes and land just because they are Muslims. Disgusting is the only way one could describe the islamophobic Bhakts
 
RexRex said:
British came into India with guns and swords and conquered India by force, they ruled India as a dictatorship. Israel offered numerous peace plans to Palestine for 2 state solution, all of which were rejected.
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On the contrary Briths established their foot hold not as an invasion force more as a protection racket:

"We will protect your princely state from the neighborly princely state who are being helped by the evil French"

That was their MO.

The only western power which came as an invading force was the portugese
 
I wake up another morning, and again the conversation is about India - India - India.

What is the position of Palestinians? They are desperately waiting for your offline aid.
 
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This thread is not about the India and Mumbai attacks and Pakistan comparison.

Talk about Iran Israel or else leave this thread for other guys who want to talk about the topic.
 
Iran gambles with Israel attack after humiliating blows to allies

The commander-in-chief of Iran’s Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC), Maj-Gen Hossein Salami, stood in front of a large banner in a war room as he used a telephone to order the launch of about 200 ballistic missiles at Israel on Tuesday night, according to a video clip published by Iranian media.

The banner featured photos of the three men whose deaths he said Iran was seeking to avenge with the major attack - Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh, who was killed in Tehran in July in an attack that Iran blamed on Israel, and Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and IRGC Quds Force operations commander Brig-Gen Abbas Nilforoushan, who were killed in an Israeli air strike in Beirut last week.

The IRGC claimed the barrage included Fattah hypersonic missiles that took 12 minutes to reach Israel and that they successfully hit targets including three Israeli airbases and the headquarters of the Mossad spy agency.

However, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said most of the missiles were “intercepted by Israel and a defensive coalition led by the United States”, and that there were a “small number of hits” in central and southern Israel.

Shortly after the attack, a massive banner was raised in Tehran’s Palestine Square, featuring missiles flying towards buildings shaped like a Star of David and the words “The beginning of the end of Zionism”.

Iran had appeared to show restraint after Haniyeh's assassination - but this inaction became a source of humiliation when Israel dealt a series of devastating blows to Iran’s closest and most longstanding regional ally Hezbollah, culminating in the air strike on Friday that killed Nasrallah and Nilforoushan.

Iranian weapons, training and funding have been pivotal to Hezbollah’s transformation into Lebanon’s most powerful armed force and political actor since the IRGC helped establish the group in the 1980s.

Before this month, Iranian leaders had hoped that a war of attrition with Hezbollah would help wear down the Israeli military, which is still fighting a war against Hamas in Gaza.

They also relied on Hezbollah and its massive arsenal of rockets and missiles to serve as a major deterrent against direct Israeli attacks on their country’s nuclear and missile facilities.

President Masoud Pezeshkian, who was elected in July, accused Israel of trying to provoke Iran into a regional war that would also draw in the US.

"We also want security and peace. It was Israel that assassinated Haniyeh in Tehran," he was quoted by Iranian media as saying during a visit to Qatar on Wednesday.

"Europeans and the US said that if we do not act, there will be a peace in Gaza in one week. We waited for them to have peace but they increased their killing."

Many hardline conservatives in Iran had been growing uneasy about the country's lack of action against Israel.

Several commentators on state TV - which is controlled by the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and the IRGC - argued that the decision to hold back from seeking revenge for Haniyeh’s killing had emboldened Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to attack Iran's interests and allies in Lebanon.

After Tuesday's missile attack, the chief of staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Maj Gen Mohammad Baqeri stated that the time for “patience and restraint” was over.

“We targeted military and intelligence sites in Israel and deliberately refrained from hitting economic and industrial locations,” he said. “However, if Israel retaliates, our response will be more forceful.”

The missile attack reflects a growing concern among Iranian leaders that remaining silent after Israel's attacks would portray them as weak and vulnerable - both domestically and in the eyes of their regional allies in the so-called “Axis of Resistance” which includes Hezbollah and Hamas.

Iran and Israel have pursued a shadow war for decades, adhering to a policy of “no war, no peace”. However, it now appears that this status quo is ending.

Israel has vowed to respond severely, with Netanyahu warning that "Iran made a big mistake and it will pay for it".

There are also indications of a shift in tone and strategy from the US.

In April, President Joe Biden urged restraint after Israeli and US-led forces shot down most of the 300 drones and missiles that Iran launched at Israel in retaliation for an air strike on the Iranian consulate in Syria that killed several top IRGC commanders. Israel heeded the US call and responded by launching a missile that hit an Iranian air defence battery in central Iran.

But this time, Biden’s National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan warned there would be “severe consequences” for the Iranian attack and that the US will “work with Israel to make that the case”.

Israeli media cited Israeli officials as saying on Wednesday that Israel was preparing for retaliatory strikes on Iran “within days”, and that they would target “strategic sites”, including the country’s vital oil facilities.

The officials also warned that Iran’s nuclear facilities would be hit if it made good on its threat to strike back at Israel.

Senior Iranian officials have asserted that they consider their retaliation for the killing of Haniyeh, Nasrallah and Nilforoushan to be over unless they are provoked further.

Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi also said he had conveyed a message to the US through the Swiss embassy in Tehran warning it “not to intervene”.

He cautioned: “Any third country that assists Israel or allows its airspace to be used against Iran will be considered a legitimate target.”

The US has approximately 40,000 troops stationed in the Middle East, with many deployed in Iraq and Syria. These troops could be threatened by Iran-backed Shia militias in both countries.

Iran must now brace itself for the Israeli response and hope its gamble pays off.

BBC
 
offstump said:
I am not so sure. Western nations are underestimating Iran. They have thousands of underground and fortified missile sites and have now shown they’re not afraid to hit back. What we saw was just a little bit more than their drone show from a few months ago, the full scale of their prowess hasn’t been seen by anyone. Yes, Israel can hit them with more firepower but pulling the U.S. in will set the entire region on fire. Iran will go ballistic and bomb oil refineries everywhere, the entire global economy will be set back decades, not just Iran.
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Apparently israel has blocked access to satellite photos of the sites where bombs landed. I am sure they will say this is for security reasons, but if anyone has watched interviews with the Iranian professor Marandi, he has shredded the British news journalists in interviews. It seems like there was a lot more damage than mainstream media is showing.
 
IRGC consultant dies from injuries after Israeli attack on Syria’s capital: Report

Iran’s Student News Network reports that a consultant working for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has died from injuries sustained in an Israeli air attack on Damascus on Monday.

It identified the consultant as Majid Divani without giving further details.

The attack appeared to be the same one reported by Syrian state media, which said on Tuesday that three civilians were killed and nine others injured in an Israeli air raid on Damascus.

Syrian air defences intercepted “hostile targets” over the vicinity of Damascus three times in a row in one night, following explosions heard in the capital, state media said on Tuesday.

Al Jazeera
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Because they are hypocrites of the highest order.
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A few usual suspects need to be banned from this forum entirely. The hatred for Muslims they are preaching and celebrating is nauseating. PP won't lose any revenue by banning 7-8 desktop warriors.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Your bravado filled posts are like stress busters, similar to Iran's Diwali missiles. All intercepted by Israel, resulting in a waste of millions. Iranian army and intelligence are a joke; they even shot down their own passenger plane a few months ago :genius
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Only Bollywood cnn & crackheads think all were intercepted . There are dozens and of authentic videos proving otherwise
 
I dont see this getting to a de-escalation. With the election season in the US - neither the Dems nor the Reps can back down from a unanimous Israel support. A lot of unnecessary bloodshed. Wars are so easy to escalate. Hope the concerned parties get to the table and talk however tough it may be. And FWIW, Saudi has to take the initiative here. It cant sit on the fence bcos of its dislike for Iran. And Iran needs to stop getting belligerent or their economy can take decades to recover in an all out war. Depends on Israel's response now . Even the Israeli opposition parties have advocated for going after Iran with full force.
 
deltexas said:
I dont see this getting to a de-escalation. With the election season in the US - neither the Dems nor the Reps can back down from a unanimous Israel support. A lot of unnecessary bloodshed. Wars are so easy to escalate. Hope the concerned parties get to the table and talk however tough it may be. And FWIW, Saudi has to take the initiative here. It cant sit on the fence bcos of its dislike for Iran. And Iran needs to stop getting belligerent or their economy can take decades to recover in an all out war. Depends on Israel's response now . Even the Israeli opposition parties have advocated for going after Iran with full force.
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This is the problem. That leaves no room for Iran to de-escalate, but instead hit back with full force in response.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This is the problem. That leaves no room for Iran to de-escalate, but instead hit back with full force in response.
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Iran did not de-escalate through its proxy Hezbollah. Hezbollah fired 9000+ rockets into Israel. And now Iran using ballistic missiles is a tipping point. It seems everyone in the region has blood shot eyes, crying for full on war war going for each one's throats.
 
deltexas said:
Iran did not de-escalate through its proxy Hezbollah. Hezbollah fired 9000+ rockets into Israel. And now Iran using ballistic missiles is a tipping point. It seems everyone in the region has blood shot eyes, crying for full on war war going for each one's throats.
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Israel has been assassinating Iran officials for years now, at least one occasion in an embassy building. If that was done to a US official it would be seen as an act of war.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Israel has been assassinating Iran officials for years now, at least one occasion in an embassy building. If that was done to a US official it would be seen as an act of war.
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Hezbollah and Hamas proxies of Iran have been firing rockets on Israel indiscriminately for years now. If that was done to a US official it would be seen as an act of war. See how it plays out ?

Thats why all teams need to set their egos aside and get to the table to discuss. Easier said than done I suppose. I personally certainly dont want to see my US taxpayer funds for any foreign conflicts and rather be used for domestic economy and growth.
 
deltexas said:
I dont see this getting to a de-escalation. With the election season in the US - neither the Dems nor the Reps can back down from a unanimous Israel support. A lot of unnecessary bloodshed. Wars are so easy to escalate. Hope the concerned parties get to the table and talk however tough it may be. And FWIW, Saudi has to take the initiative here. It cant sit on the fence bcos of its dislike for Iran. And Iran needs to stop getting belligerent or their economy can take decades to recover in an all out war. Depends on Israel's response now . Even the Israeli opposition parties have advocated for going after Iran with full force.
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I agree.

Israel's been very clever here. They've been careful so far to attack only Iran's proxies outside Iran. Even the only attack inside Iran to take out Haniyeh was very targeted and in fact, they didn't even claim as their action. Iran on the other hand has been open about attacking Israel.

Now Israel has the freedom to strategically choose it's target inside Iran and strike without any real condemnation - especially given election season in the States. Unless Iran's prepared for a full scale war, it's got to take whatever 'revenge' Israel now exacts even if it's destroying a key nuclear facility or Iran's military HQ.
 
Israel's power comes through the massive support of US. There are thousands of US citizens who are preoccupied with thinking about returning loans, securing a good future etc. If US somehow backs down, Israel will not really have much footage to stand on. But that doesn't seem to be happening.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Israel has been assassinating Iran officials for years now, at least one occasion in an embassy building. If that was done to a US official it would be seen as an act of war.
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Iran isn't a massive super power. It will still look naive on their part if a full blown war was to take place now between Israel and Iran.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Israel's power comes through the massive support of US. There are thousands of US citizens who are preoccupied with thinking about returning loans, securing a good future etc. If US somehow backs down, Israel will not really have much footage to stand on. But that doesn't seem to be happening.
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I was looking this and the aid is truly pretty significant

Israel Military Aid.png
So about $12.5Bn this year

On the other hand, it has declined in significance. Israel's own military budget is almost triple that at $30.5Bn

And it almost pales in comparison to what other Arab states spend. Saudi Arabia's military budget for instance is about $69Bn

I think Israel can manage (though it'll be a major pain) without US aid. What will hurt though is the removal of US influence. The power they exert on countries like Saudi and Pakistan not to get involved in the conflict, the veto protection at the Security Council etc.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This is the problem. That leaves no room for Iran to de-escalate, but instead hit back with full force in response.
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Yes, that appeared to be the case; both sides could be in a compulsion to escalate to a war now. We are in utterly bad situation where a lot of innocent lives could be lost.
 
Red-Indian said:
I was looking this and the aid is truly pretty significant

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So about $12.5Bn this year

On the other hand, it has declined in significance. Israel's own military budget is almost triple that at $30.5Bn

And it almost pales in comparison to what other Arab states spend. Saudi Arabia's military budget for instance is about $69Bn

I think Israel can manage (though it'll be a major pain) without US aid. What will hurt though is the removal of US influence. The power they exert on countries like Saudi and Pakistan not to get involved in the conflict, the veto protection at the Security Council etc.
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Pakistan honestly isn't strong enough to be standing on its feet due to all the turbulence of last many decades and is at a point of no return. Pak is a nuclear power yes, but we can't really afford to get involved in a war right now considering the massive economic fall we are going through. The only thing about Pak is the nuclear assets and that's about it.

There are still a lot of US citizens who don't want their country to get involved in this war if it escalates. And it's not down to their beliefs but due to their priority being finding a good livelihood for themselves and their families.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Israel has been assassinating Iran officials for years now, at least one occasion in an embassy building. If that was done to a US official it would be seen as an act of war.
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And why do you think that is ?

Did Israel just suddenly wake up one day and say - hmmm I'm bored, lets go kill some Iranian scientists .
 

Biden says ‘discussing’ possible Israeli strikes on Iran oil facilities​


President Joe Biden said he was discussing possible Israeli strikes on Iranian oil facilities, in comments that sent oil prices spiking Thursday just a month before the US presidential election.

Biden told reporters at the White House however that he was not expecting Israel to launch any retaliation for Tehran’s missile barrage on Israel before Thursday at least.

When asked by a reporter if he supported Israel striking Iran’s oil facilities, Biden said “we’re discussing that. I think that would be a little... anyway.”

Oil prices jumped five percent over concerns about the Middle East after Biden spoke.

A rise in oil prices could be hugely damaging for Biden’s Vice President Kamala Harris as the Democrat confronts Republican former president Donald Trump in a November 5 election where the cost of living is a major issue.

Biden said he did not expect any immediate action from Israel – even if Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has recently paid little heed to calls for restraint as he targets the Iran-allied Hezbollah militia in Lebanon.

“First of all, we don’t ‘allow’ Israel, we advise Israel. And there is nothing going to happen today,” Biden told reporters when asked if he would allow Israel to retaliate against Iran.

Biden said on Wednesday that he would not back Israel attacking Iranian nuclear sites.

Iran launched around 200 rockets in a direct missile attack on Israel on Tuesday, prompting Netanyahu to warn that Tehran would pay.

Iran said it was in retaliation for the killing of Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah.

Hezbollah has been launching rockets at Israel since shortly after the October 7, 2023 attacks on Israel by Iran’s Palestinian ally Hamas, and Israel’s crushing retaliatory offensive in Gaza.

 
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