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Iran fires multiple ballistic missiles towards Israel as a retaliatory measure for its insane actions

I have condemned Israeli bombings from October my posts are there for everyone to see, warfare was common? Don’t you follow religion from years ago?
If it was years ago why highlight their contribution, Zionists are doing exactly what Kingdoms and empires have done.

I can call our Ashoka as well you would’t call out Islamic kings or rulers itself obvious, go see the mirror now before talking about Indians.

Though we were not present in the past, it is our duty today to condemn genocide in any form, anywhere in the world.

You have consistently condemned Israel for killing innocents.
 
I could flip that and say it's pointless debating Palestine with Pakistanis on here. You are simply not going take a position against the muslim side of any conflict. It is what it is.

Pakistan supports Palestine primarily because of religious sentiment. That said, if Palestinians commit criminal actions it should still be condemned as a criminal action regardless of religion.

What ties to Indians have to Israel?
 
In the late 90's, the common sentiment (from newspapers and tv channels) was pro Palestine. However, the shift in sentiment happened probably because both hindus and jews are victims of islamic terrorism. The rise of right wing politics also coincided with this trend.
Iran and India maintain cordial relationship with each other in the last 30 years I know.

But I thought Iran was funding terrorist organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah. So if India is maintaining cordial relations with Iran, then does that mean India is happy to overlook states funding and actively supporting terrorism? :unsure:
 
But I thought Iran was funding terrorist organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah. So if India is maintaining cordial relations with Iran, then does that mean India is happy to overlook states funding and actively supporting terrorism? :unsure:
Whether Iran funds those organizations or not, it is not India's concern. India is not world police.
 
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Whether Iran funds those organizations or not, it is not India's concern. India is not world police. Our focus is on those things that affect India such as the terrorism exported from Pakistan.

So you are ok with terrorism as long as it takes place elsewhere. Got it. (y)
 
Pakistan supports Palestine primarily because of religious sentiment. That said, if Palestinians commit criminal actions it should still be condemned as a criminal action regardless of religion.

What ties to Indians have to Israel?

Just a few posts ago, you said Pakistanis never bring up the Ummah only jealous Indians do .. and yet here you are admitting it this is why Pak support Palestine. You are so easy :lara


As for Indian ties to Israel, there's more to 'ties' than just the religious one. Broaden your outlook.
 
Just a few posts ago, you said Pakistanis never bring up the Ummah only jealous Indians do .. and yet here you are admitting it this is why Pak support Palestine. You are so easy :lara


As for Indian ties to Israel, there's more to 'ties' than just the religious one. Broaden your outlook.

Religious brotherhood is baked into the Islamic religion. I only bring it up to answer the question asked. Indians as a nation have every right to have ties with any country they feel suits their purpose, but the reason that posters on here support Israel is purely religious, let's be honest.
 

Israel ‘preparing response’ to Iran attack as 7 October anniversary looms​


The Israeli military is expanding its operations on multiple fronts around the anniversary of the 7 October attacks on Monday, including planning for a “significant and serious” retaliation against Iran for last week’s large-scale ballistic missile attack on Israel.

Signs of imminent Israeli retaliation against Iran came as the French president, Emmanuel Macron, called for an international embargo on arms delivered to Israel for use against Gaza, where authorities say more than 41,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel’s year long assault.

“I think that today, the priority is that we return to a political solution, that we stop delivering weapons to fight in Gaza,” Macron told broadcaster France Inter, adding that France was not sending any arms to Israel.

Macron made his comments as the Israel Defense Forces said a major strike on Iran was imminent, as Israel hit targets in Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza on Saturday.

“The IDF [Israeli military] is preparing a response to the unprecedented and unlawful Iranian attack on Israeli civilians and Israel,” the military official said on condition of anonymity as he was not authorised to speak publicly on the issue.

As Israel said it was planning its response to Tuesday’s Iranian missile strikes, which hit on or near a number of key Israeli bases, the US president, Joe Biden, cautioned against striking Iranian oil facilities, a day after he said Washington was “discussing” such action.

“If I were in their shoes, I’d be thinking about other alternatives than striking oilfields,” Biden said during a rare appearance at the White House daily press briefing. The Biden administration has already suggested it opposes an Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear programme.

Amid the worsening violence, speculation was hardening that a strike on Beirut’s southern suburbs had killed Hashem Safieddine, who had been widely expected to succeed Hezbollah’s slain leader Hassan Nasrallah. According to Lebanese security sources, Safieddine has been unreachable since Friday.

Assessments suggest that Safieddine was killed with aides and Iranian advisers in a powerful strike that has made reaching any bodies difficult. In the aftermath of the strike the IDF said it had hit Hezbollah’s intelligence headquarters without disclosing who was present.

Source: The Guardian
 
Pakistan supports Palestine primarily because of religious sentiment. That said, if Palestinians commit criminal actions it should still be condemned as a criminal action regardless of religion.

What ties to Indians have to Israel?
one sided hi five brotherly relationship. Judaism has no sympathy or love for polytheistic religions and they don't consider anyone other than jews to be their own.
 
one sided hi five brotherly relationship. Judaism has no sympathy or love for polytheistic religions and they don't consider anyone other than jews to be their own.

Arabs don't have any sympathy or love for Pakistanis, it's a one sided hi five brotherly relationship.
 
Arabs don't have any sympathy or love for Pakistanis, it's a one sided hi five brotherly relationship.

Arabs or Pakistanis don't have any divine rights to be exemplary Muslims. They can be just as greedy or racist as anyone else if the belief isn't genuine.
 
Religious brotherhood is baked into the Islamic religion. I only bring it up to answer the question asked. Indians as a nation have every right to have ties with any country they feel suits their purpose, but the reason that posters on here support Israel is purely religious, let's be honest.
Baked into Islamic religion but not for other religions. Every single thing doesn't haveto be through a religious prism. A lot of people want to live the modern way - so if your religion doesn't want to - that's fine. But dont force others or saying mine is the best religion etc etc.

And ind is close to Israel mostly because of kargil and the weapons israel supplied when it needed the most. So its not a religious tie as you keep insinuating. Yes a common thins both countries affected by radical Islamic terrorism and thats simply a fact. So if iran had supplied those during kargil or saudi or qatar-- yes Ind would b3 close to them irrespective of religion.

A link for your info on ind israel ties -

 
Iron Dome intercepted 90% of Iran’s missiles, with the remaining 10% Diwali crackers either landing in open space or causing some little damage. If Iran's 200 missiles had really hit their targets, the damage would have been much worse, but that didn’t happen.
On the other side, all of Israel’s missiles hit their targets with 100% accuracy, killing all their top leaders and hundreds of terrorists.

And yet, you're celebrating the minor damage that happened to Israel, while ignoring the 100% target damage to Iran.
Nice soothing technique. :facepalm:
Are you an IDF spokesman? You couldn't type up lies if you tried.

1. Israel doesn't care for collateral damage. The targets and those surrounding them are killed.
2. Israel has 100% accuracy? Is that why 40k are dead is that what call success?
3. Iran sent 200 Missiles of which many were decoys but many landed and did damage - its impossible for them not too.
4. They won't let anyone report on the damage? How can anyone know the truth when no journalists are allowed in?
5. One journalist was able to get through recently and said his google maps was showing him in Oman when he was outside a Mossad building.

The problem with people is complete lack of awareness. Your trust in the mainstream media who parrot the IDF is no surprise though.
 
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Arabs don't have any sympathy or love for Pakistanis, it's a one sided hi five brotherly relationship.
You are both correct. Arabs are incredibly racist and so too are the Israelis.

India's views on Israelis is remarkable given what Jews think of non Jews. According to many parts of the Talmud Goyim are less than human. But clearly most Indians are not aware.

The major reason why I do not want the zionists to succeed is because they are the only major religion which allows Usury. Usury is one of the great evils.
 
It goes back decades to Palestine rejecting a 2 state deal in 1948 and "risked" everything by going to war with Israel and then lost. Similar in 1967. So " you" start a war, lose badly and then claim illegal occupation when you lose. Logic?? If you risk going to war and lose- you have to deal with consequences and agree to negotiated terms from a loss standpoint like japan did after ww2.

Nothing interesting in it. You cant lose a war you start and then say i want everything. If Palestine had won in 1948- they would have clained everything and jews would have been kicked out with islamic laws. So losers in a war who start it cant "reject ", they have to "accept "
Ok then, so you don’t believe Israel is in violation of international law? Just wanted to confirm that.

1948? You mean the Nakba? You have a nice way of making everything seem so simple. Arabs die because they stir the pot and don’t accept scraps. Palestinian ethnic cleansing was taking place well before 1948. You start and stop history whenever it’s convenient for you.

You bring up 1967, and are asking about logic. The resolution from the UN was for Israel to revert to its pre-1967 borders which it never did. You say yourself that “you have to deal with the consequences and agree to negotiated terms from a loss standpoint like Japan did in WW2.” Guess what, every country in that war did except for Israel, they never upheld their part of the resolution.
 
Netanyahu: Israel changing ‘balance of power in north,’ has ‘duty’ to strike back at Iran and ‘will do so’

Speaking from his office at the Kirya in Tel Aviv after the Rosh Hashanah weekend, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promises to strike back against Iran for its ballistic missile attack on Tuesday.

“Iran has twice fired hundreds of missiles at our territory and our cities — ballistic missile attacks among the largest in history,” says Netanyahu in a video statement.

“No country in the world would accept such an attack on its cities and citizens, and the State of Israel will not either,” he says. “Israel has the duty and the right to defend itself and respond to these attacks — and we will do so.”

Most of Netanyahu’s remarks focus on the fighting in Lebanon, where he says Israel is changing “the balance of power in the north.”

“About a month ago, toward the end of the destruction of the Hamas battalions in Gaza, we started fulfilling the promise I gave to the residents of the north,” says the premier, referring to the recently approved war aim of returning northern residents to their homes, a year after they were evacuated from the Lebanese border.

“We eliminated [Hezbollah leader Hassan] Nasrallah and the Hezbollah leadership, we eliminated the commanders of the Radwan force who planned to invade the Galilee and carry out a greater and more terrible massacre of our citizens than that of October 7th,” he declares.

Netanyahu insists that Israel has destroyed “a large part” of Hezbollah’s missile and rocket stockpile.

“And these days, our heroic soldiers are destroying the array of terror tunnels that Hezbollah secretly prepared, close to our borders,” he says, adding that “although we have not yet completed the removal of the threat, we have clearly changed the course of the war and the balance of the war, and our arms are still outstretched [for more action].”

Netanyahu mocks the late Hezbollah leader for calling Israeli society a “spider web” in a famous speech years ago.

“He and the whole world discovered the iron sinews of Israel — a strong country with a strong, daring and moral army,” he says. “A country determined to defend itself against any threat.”

“That includes the threat from Iran, which is behind all the attacks on us — from Gaza, from Lebanon, from Yemen, from Iraq and Syria — and of course, from Iran itself,” says Netanyahu.

SOURCE: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...wer-in-north-has-duty-to-strike-back-at-iran/
 
Baked into Islamic religion but not for other religions. Every single thing doesn't haveto be through a religious prism. A lot of people want to live the modern way - so if your religion doesn't want to - that's fine. But dont force others or saying mine is the best religion etc etc.

And ind is close to Israel mostly because of kargil and the weapons israel supplied when it needed the most. So its not a religious tie as you keep insinuating. Yes a common thins both countries affected by radical Islamic terrorism and thats simply a fact. So if iran had supplied those during kargil or saudi or qatar-- yes Ind would b3 close to them irrespective of religion.

A link for your info on ind israel ties -


I don't know about other religions, I am just answering the question why Pakistanis or any other Muslims care about Palestine. I am not justifying it, just giving the facts. Showing solidarity IS baked into the religion itself, I can give you passages from the Quran if you need them. No one is saying this is the best religion either, this is just information.

I don't need your wishy washy excuses for supporting israel, would be better if you were just honest. Everyone knows the real reason is hindus have a long standing hatred of Muslims dating back to the Mughal rule and the influence they imparted on the continent. You don't need to invent reasons, it just looks like you don't have real conviction in your reasoning.
 
I don't know about other religions, I am just answering the question why Pakistanis or any other Muslims care about Palestine. I am not justifying it, just giving the facts. Showing solidarity IS baked into the religion itself, I can give you passages from the Quran if you need them. No one is saying this is the best religion either, this is just information.

I don't need your wishy washy excuses for supporting israel, would be better if you were just honest. Everyone knows the real reason is hindus have a long standing hatred of Muslims dating back to the Mughal rule and the influence they imparted on the continent. You don't need to invent reasons, it just looks like you don't have real conviction in your reasoning.
So in the same tone, why do you care if other countries support Israel ? They are not justifying it, just giving the facts. No need for your wishy washy statements. You make blanket statements about other religions but if someone says anything about Islam - you automatically label them Islamophobe. Nobody cares about the hundreds of years back Mughals just a historic footnote unlike you or some Pak posters who feel they subjugated Ind hindus as mughals and are descendants of mughals when infact they are converts and that is fine with me. They can convert , do whatever they want their choice. But no need for the hyperbole devoid of facts and wishy washy as you say. Pot calling the kettle black
 
Ok then, so you don’t believe Israel is in violation of international law? Just wanted to confirm that.

1948? You mean the Nakba? You have a nice way of making everything seem so simple. Arabs die because they stir the pot and don’t accept scraps. Palestinian ethnic cleansing was taking place well before 1948. You start and stop history whenever it’s convenient for you.

You bring up 1967, and are asking about logic. The resolution from the UN was for Israel to revert to its pre-1967 borders which it never did. You say yourself that “you have to deal with the consequences and agree to negotiated terms from a loss standpoint like Japan did in WW2.” Guess what, every country in that war did except for Israel, they never upheld their part of the resolution.
Violation of what international law? Is Hamas violating international law by kidnapping and raping Israeli hostages ? And with their suicide bombings etc . Israel is retaliating Hamas violence. yes the retaliation is nor proportion but those are the dangers and unknowns of starting wars. Palestine rejected 1948 option and risked going for all or nothing and lost badly and got left with nothing when they could have negotiated talked etc but no they didnt.

And on what basis did Un ask Israel to have pre1967 borders? UN asked Pak to remove its forces from Kashmir as a 1st step in a so called plebiscite . Did Pak do it ?? Logic??
 
Violation of what international law?

Building illegal settlements in the West Bank isn’t a violation of international law? 🤡

Hamas raping Israeli hostages, are you talking about the one that came back and got a nose job?🤡

YOU CANNOT BE DEFENDING YOURSELF WHEN YOU ARE OCCUPYING ANOTHER STATE…how hard is that to understand?

Hopefully Hamas treat the hostages the same way the Israeli’s treat the Palestinian civilians.
 
So in the same tone, why do you care if other countries support Israel ? They are not justifying it, just giving the facts. No need for your wishy washy statements. You make blanket statements about other religions but if someone says anything about Islam - you automatically label them Islamophobe. Nobody cares about the hundreds of years back Mughals just a historic footnote unlike you or some Pak posters who feel they subjugated Ind hindus as mughals and are descendants of mughals when infact they are converts and that is fine with me. They can convert , do whatever they want their choice. But no need for the hyperbole devoid of facts and wishy washy as you say. Pot calling the kettle black

I don't. I just wonder why they tell lies about the reasons instead of just being straight up about it. I already know why they support israel.
 
Building illegal settlements in the West Bank isn’t a violation of international law? 🤡

Hamas raping Israeli hostages, are you talking about the one that came back and got a nose job?🤡

YOU CANNOT BE DEFENDING YOURSELF WHEN YOU ARE OCCUPYING ANOTHER STATE…how hard is that to understand?

Hopefully Hamas treat the hostages the same way the Israeli’s treat the Palestinian civilians.
Convenient under sight by some. As long as this occupation is in place, there always will be conflict in the ME hence the reason for Israeli ongoing genocide.
 
I don't. I just wonder why they tell lies about the reasons instead of just being straight up about it. I already know why they support israel.

To be clear, you think Indians support Israel because they're islamophobes and Pakistanis support Palestine because they're antisemites.

Fair enough, everybody has their views.
 
To be clear, you think Indians support Israel because they're islamophobes and Pakistanis support Palestine because they're antisemites.

Fair enough, everybody has their views.

Arabs are semites.

What you’ve said is Pakistan supports Semites because they’re antisemitic🤔
 
Arabs are semites.

What you’ve said is Pakistan supports Semites because they’re antisemitic🤔

Exactly.

Netanyahu is a Polish European. So are many Israelis (they are European immigrants who settled there in the past 100 years or so).

A lot of these BJP Indians don't seem to know that region's history.
 
Arabs are semites.

What you’ve said is Pakistan supports Semites because they’re antisemitic🤔

Due to the root word 'semite', the term Antisemitism is popularly prone to being misused as 'racist hatred directed at all semitic people'. This usage is wrong. The compound word antisemitismus – 'antisemitism' – was first used in print in Germany in 1879 as a scientific-sounding term for Judenhass – literally 'Jew-Hatred' and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone

Source :-
 
To be clear, you think Indians support Israel because they're islamophobes and Pakistanis support Palestine because they're antisemites.

Fair enough, everybody has their views.
Many people around the world support the Palestinian cause, not for religious but for basic humanity. Even as far away as Tokyo, a place you wouldn't expect to get involved, there were big demonstrations near the Israeli embassy.
 
Many people around the world support the Palestinian cause, not for religious but for basic humanity. Even as far away as Tokyo, a place you wouldn't expect to get involved, there were big demonstrations near the Israeli embassy.

What people around the world support are the cessation of indiscriminate bombing by Israel and maybe the settlements issue that has been inflamed by a hardliner like Netanyahu.

But they don't support the historic Palestinian cause that began in 1947s.. that is what I was referring to. Pakistan hasn't allowed travel to Israel in 70 years.
 
What people around the world support are the cessation of indiscriminate bombing by Israel and maybe the settlements issue that has been inflamed by a hardliner like Netanyahu.

But they don't support the historic Palestinian cause that began in 1947s.. that is what I was referring to. Pakistan hasn't allowed travel to Israel in 70 years.
Do you support a one state solution (amalgamating the Palestine population) or two state solution?
 
Do you support a one state solution (amalgamating the Palestine population) or two state solution?

I support a two state solution - where Palestine would comprise Gaza Strip and West Bank. Jerusalem would be put under international control, maybe the UN, because of its holy sites.
 
To be clear, you think Indians support Israel because they're islamophobes and Pakistanis support Palestine because they're antisemites.

Fair enough, everybody has their views.

I don't know why you are pretending to have comprehension problems. I already said that Pakistanis support Palestine because it is their faith to support fellow Muslims. This is something which seems to endure even in the most wretched Muslims, and I think it is a pain point for non-Muslims and many Indian posters on these forums.
 
I don't know why you are pretending to have comprehension problems. I already said that Pakistanis support Palestine because it is their faith to support fellow Muslims.

You did say that but I don't believe it.

Muslim suffering exists all over the middle east like in Syria and Yemen and yet it is Israel that gets all the focus and gets Pakistanis riled up .. which means there are other reasons.
 
You did say that but I don't believe it.

Muslim suffering exists all over the middle east like in Syria and Yemen and yet it is Israel that gets all the focus and gets Pakistanis riled up .. which means there are other reasons.

So your alternative view is that Pakistanis are antisemites yes? Fine, perhaps you can offer a reason as to why that might be.
 
You did say that but I don't believe it.

Muslim suffering exists all over the middle east like in Syria and Yemen and yet it is Israel that gets all the focus and gets Pakistanis riled up .. which means there are other reasons.
You are correct, and it seems that the situation is more closely related to Israel than to the Arab countries involved, which has contributed to a more global focus on the issue.

Many individuals who are aware of the situations in Yemen and Syria have criticized Saudi Arabia and other involved nations. However, since Israel is not a direct participant in these conflicts, and not many Saudis or non-Saudi were defending the genocide in Yemen, and top of it was Muslims on Muslims, many non-Muslims did not care and did not drive enough traffic for you to notice it.
 
You did say that but I don't believe it.

Muslim suffering exists all over the middle east like in Syria and Yemen and yet it is Israel that gets all the focus and gets Pakistanis riled up .. which means there are other reasons.
Its quite simple really, for all their problems, Syria and Yemen and the like are independent sovereign states.

Whereas the Palestinians are having to endure occupation and a system of separation and control that amounts to apartheid.

How would you like to live under such conditions?
 
You are correct, and it seems that the situation is more closely related to Israel than to the Arab countries involved, which has contributed to a more global focus on the issue.

Many individuals who are aware of the situations in Yemen and Syria have criticized Saudi Arabia and other involved nations. However, since Israel is not a direct participant in these conflicts, and not many Saudis or non-Saudi were defending the genocide in Yemen, and top of it was Muslims on Muslims, many non-Muslims did not care and did not drive enough traffic for you to notice it.
Your own post has the answer.. So Muslims killing Muslims is ok even in a genocide but if Muslims are killed by non muslims in war is not OK. Hypocricy and you wonder why there is Islamophobia .
 
Your own post has the answer.. So Muslims killing Muslims is ok even in a genocide but if Muslims are killed by non muslims in war is not OK. Hypocricy and you wonder why there is Islamophobia .

This is not hypocrisy, Muslim killing Muslim is more complicated and this creates confusion so taking sides is less clear cut. This does happen ultimately but it will be less visible because less people will be discussing it as reasons will be less clear. It becomes more of an internal matter in the same way your fights internally in India between ethnicities are less clear to those without intimate knowledge of the conflict.
 
Indians supporting Israel as an invader & occupier in 2024 but still crying invading & conquering Bharat over 1000 years ago . Confused people to say the least .

It seems Iran has nukes , not confirmed but evidence is present now. If Israel attacks Iran with in a serious manner , the holy land may not be very holy .

USA doesn’t want a war with Iran , the little idf camp army has no chance v Iran so has to sit back & try to beat hamas & hezbollah .
 
Your own post has the answer.. So Muslims killing Muslims is ok even in a genocide but if Muslims are killed by non muslims in war is not OK. Hypocricy and you wonder why there is Islamophobia .
Did you forget how to read and comprehend elementary English ?
 
This is not hypocrisy, Muslim killing Muslim is more complicated and this creates confusion so taking sides is less clear cut. This does happen ultimately but it will be less visible because less people will be discussing it as reasons will be less clear. It becomes more of an internal matter in the same way your fights internally in India between ethnicities are less clear to those without intimate knowledge of the conflict.
It absolutely is. Nothing complicated. Shows your true side and the mentality I guess. An d no confusion from my side. A life lost is a life lost period. And then you wonder about Islamophobia. So a Muslim killing muslim is ok but otherwise not. Hypocrisy to the max..
 
Did you forget how to read and comprehend elementary English ?
My skills are pretty good. Go re-read what you wrote before you comme t unless comprehension os not your strongest auit. The typical victim mentality in your statement as well I guess.
 
My skills are pretty good. Go re-read what you wrote before you comme t unless comprehension os not your strongest auit. The typical victim mentality in your statement as well I guess.
Why is that every proponent of genocide forget to comprehend when the comment doesn’t fit their preconceived imagination?

You highlighted what you hoped and wished to be true then pretended that you can understand what was written.

Stop wasting my time and the readers.
 
It absolutely is. Nothing complicated. Shows your true side and the mentality I guess. An d no confusion from my side. A life lost is a life lost period. And then you wonder about Islamophobia. So a Muslim killing muslim is ok but otherwise not. Hypocrisy to the max..

So you couldn't answer any of my points directly and resorted to generalised waffle and name calling. I think let's just leave it there, I have no desire to respond in kind.
 
So you couldn't answer any of my points directly and resorted to generalised waffle and name calling. I think let's just leave it there, I have no desire to respond in kind.
What point ? That a muslim killing a muslim is complicated vs a non-muslim killing a muslim ? And then you claim victim mentality in Palestine, Kashmir etc etc
 
Indians supporting Israel as an invader & occupier in 2024 but still crying invading & conquering Bharat over 1000 years ago . Confused people to say the least .

It seems Iran has nukes , not confirmed but evidence is present now. If Israel attacks Iran with in a serious manner , the holy land may not be very holy .

USA doesn’t want a war with Iran , the little idf camp army has no chance v Iran so has to sit back & try to beat hamas & hezbollah .
This is why Iranian leaders still hiding in bunkers in their own country?

Iran's military prowess is hollow. We are all still waiting on Iran's action on Israel. So far their aimless rockets yielded nothing. But their leaders keep vowing to take revenge on Israel.:rolleyes:
 
What point ? That a muslim killing a muslim is complicated vs a non-muslim killing a muslim ? And then you claim victim mentality in Palestine, Kashmir etc etc

Re-read the post or quote it if it helps. Don't reword it with your own nonsense spin otherwise it is not worth my while responding.
 
Re-read the post or quote it if it helps. Don't reword it with your own nonsense spin otherwise it is not worth my while responding.
Muslim killing Muslim is more complicated and this creates confusion so taking sides is less clear cut. This does happen ultimately but it will be less visible because less people will be discussing it as reasons will be less clear.

Your post highlighted.. What part is not clear ? You are the one spinning nonsense and using word gymnastics. Why should it be more complicated ?? A death is a death period no matter who does it ..
 
This is not hypocrisy, Muslim killing Muslim is more complicated and this creates confusion so taking sides is less clear cut. This does happen ultimately but it will be less visible because less people will be discussing it as reasons will be less clear. It becomes more of an internal matter in the same way your fights internally in India between ethnicities are less clear to those without intimate knowledge of the conflict.


I have requoted myself since you seem unable to digest in whole without cutting it up and adding your own spin.
 
Biden, Netanyahu speak; Israel defence chief vows lethal retaliation against Iran

U.S. President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke on Wednesday amid tensions with Iran while Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said an Israeli strike against Iran will be "lethal, precise and surprising."

The call, confirmed by both countries, was the first known chat for Biden and Netanyahu since August and coincided with a sharp escalation of Israel's conflict with both Iran and the Iran-backed Lebanese Hezbollah with no sign of an imminent ceasefire to end the conflict with Iran-backed Hamas in Gaza.

The Middle East has been on edge awaiting Israel's response to a missile attack last week that Tehran carried out in retaliation for Israel's military escalation in Lebanon. The Iranian attack ultimately killed no one in Israel and Washington called it ineffective.

After describing Iran's Oct. 1 missile attack as a failure, Gallant said in a video issued by his office: "Whoever attacks us will be hurt and will pay a price. Our attack will be deadly, precise and above all surprising, they will not understand what happened and how it happened, they will see the results."

Netanyahu has promised that arch-foe Iran will pay for its missile attack, while Tehran has said any retaliation would be met with vast destruction, raising fears of a wider war in the oil-producing region which could draw in the United States.


 
Speaker of Iran's parliament tours site of Israeli airstrike in Beirut

The speaker of Iran's parliament has toured the scene of an Israeli airstrike in Beirut that killed and wounded dozens.

Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf vowed that Tehran would keep supporting Lebanese and Palestinians fight against Israel.

He visited the area after holding talks with caretaker Prime Minister Najib Mikati, who said that Lebanon's priority now was to work toward a ceasefire.

Mr Mikati's office said that Lebanon's government still abides by a 2006 UN Security Council Resolution approved at the end of a 34-day war between Israel and Hezbollah and was prepared to boost Lebanese army presence along the country's border with Israel.

It was the second visit by an Iranian official to Beirut in recent days, after the country's foreign minister visited Lebanon earlier this month.

Iran is a main backer of Lebanon's militant Hezbollah group.

Sky News
 
Aik ho Muslim haram ki passbaani k lye

Neel k sahil se le kr tabkhak-e- kasgharr

Do neem un ki thokar se sehra o dariya

Simat kr pahar unki hebat se raai

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It's only Iran following the footsteps of true ummah and taking inspiration from Iqbals poetry.

First two lines are about unity of Muslim to protect each other the second two lines are about the aura and jazba of Muslims so that nothing is impossible if they are determined and motivated to achieve something
 

Iran engages in urgent diplomacy as it braces for Israel’s response to missile attacks​


Iran’s government is extremely nervous and has been engaging in urgent diplomatic efforts with countries in the Middle East to gauge whether they can reduce the scale of Israel’s response to its missile attack earlier this month and – if that fails – help protect Tehran, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

Iran’s anxiety stems from uncertainty about whether the US can convince Israel not to strike Iranian nuclear sites and oil facilities, and the fact that its most important proxy militia in the region, Hezbollah, has been significantly weakened by Israeli military operations in recent weeks, the sources said.

The US has been consulting with Israel on how it plans to respond to Iran’s October 1 attack, and US officials have made clear they do not want Israel to target Iranian nuclear sites or oil fields. US President Joe Biden spoke to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday, their first conversation in almost two months, telling him Israel’s retaliation should be “proportional.”

The US’ Gulf allies, including the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Qatar, have also expressed concern to the US about a potential attack on Iranian oil facilities, which could create negative economic and environmental impacts for the entire region, an Arab diplomat told CNN.

The Biden administration is deeply worried that the ongoing ***-for-tat attacks between Iran and Israel, which began earlier this year after Israel struck what Iran said was its consulate building in Damascus, could spiral into a major regional war that pulls the US in, too.

A major part of the fears is that the US’ influence with Israel has appeared to be steadily waning over the last year. Similarly to its operations in Gaza, Israel has increasingly disregarded the US’ calls for more restraint in Lebanon, where Israel’s intense bombing campaign and ground offensive has killed over 1,400 people since late last month.

Israel also did not consult with the US before conducting a massive attack that exploded thousands of pagers and walkie-talkies used by Hezbollah operatives last month, or before assassinating Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut and upending a delicate ceasefire proposal that had been put forward by the US and France less than 48 hours earlier.

Israel’s security cabinet has not yet reached a decision on how to proceed, an Israeli official told CNN on Friday. And while the gap between the US and Israeli positions is narrowing, it may not remain that way, a US official said.

“We can’t actually know whether they voted or not,” a senior administration official said of the Israeli cabinet’s discussions, expressing skepticism over the level of transparency about what Israel is sharing with the US. The official suggested they can’t “put too much stock in the machinations” of the Israeli government.

As of last week, Israel had not given any assurances that it would not target Iran’s nuclear facilities, CNN reported.

Israel has for decades been planning attacks on Iran’s nuclear capabilities, and just two years ago simulated striking them in a military exercise. Israel is also suspected of carrying out assassinations against Iranian nuclear scientists in recent years, and Iran’s nuclear facilities have come under siege from cyberattacks, likely from Israel—the most famous being the Stuxnet virus, which was able to penetrate Iran’s Natanz nuclear facility.
 
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This is why Iranian leaders still hiding in bunkers in their own country?

Iran's military prowess is hollow. We are all still waiting on Iran's action on Israel. So far their aimless rockets yielded nothing. But their leaders keep vowing to take revenge on Israel.:rolleyes:

Not sure what videos you saw but getting heavily bombarded by ballistic missiles at IDF Terorrist camps and air bases is bound to cause heavy damages. Ofcourse Israel won't confess to it because it would show the world as Israel Terrorist camps can be targeted and their iron dome failing is a big humiliation. If Israel had any courage they would have struck back right away, they didn't because they know what is Iran capable of. The only reason why in these many decades Zionist war mongerers have ruined places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya is because those countries were weak hence invading and mass murdering them was easy, and the reason why Iran hasn't been attacked by any Western Terrorist invasion is very much because Iran is far well capable of wiping off Israel. Your propaganda based media sources hasn't released those lovely clips of Occupiers sites getting flattened. Israel is a Nazi Terorrist state which can only target the weak, a year and they still haven't defeated Hamas and are getting heavily resistance from Hezbullah and here our padosis are getting carried away with delusions like Israel can strike Iran, if Israel does then they will get a befitting reply
 
Not sure what videos you saw but getting heavily bombarded by ballistic missiles at IDF Terorrist camps and air bases is bound to cause heavy damages. Ofcourse Israel won't confess to it because it would show the world as Israel Terrorist camps can be targeted and their iron dome failing is a big humiliation. If Israel had any courage they would have struck back right away, they didn't because they know what is Iran capable of. The only reason why in these many decades Zionist war mongerers have ruined places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya is because those countries were weak hence invading and mass murdering them was easy, and the reason why Iran hasn't been attacked by any Western Terrorist invasion is very much because Iran is far well capable of wiping off Israel. Your propaganda based media sources hasn't released those lovely clips of Occupiers sites getting flattened. Israel is a Nazi Terorrist state which can only target the weak, a year and they still haven't defeated Hamas and are getting heavily resistance from Hezbullah and here our padosis are getting carried away with delusions like Israel can strike Iran, if Israel does then they will get a befitting reply
See post #538 above. Israel is getting ready to target Iran in a massive way. Was a bad move by Iran. Now the Israeli strike will set Iran a decade or more back. Its not a matter of if but when. Hamas is a designated terrorist group.
 
U.S. officials believe Israel will target military and energy sites in Iran, NBC reports

U.S. officials believe Israel has narrowed down targets in its potential response to Iran's attack this month to military and energy infrastructure, NBC reported on Saturday.

The Middle East remains on high alert for further escalation in a year of war as Israel battles Iran-backed groups Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.

Israel has repeatedly said it will respond to Iran's missile barrage on Oct. 1, which was launched in retaliation for Israel's military operations in Gaza and Lebanon and the killings of a string of Hamas and Hezbollah leaders.

There is no indication that Israel will target nuclear facilities or carry out assassinations, the NBC report said, citing unnamed U.S. officials and adding that Israel has not made final decisions about how and when to act.

U.S. and Israeli officials said a response could come during the current Yom Kippur holiday, according to the report.

The conflict between Israel and Hezbollah militants erupted a year ago when Hezbollah began launching rockets at northern Israel at the start of the Gaza war, and has sharply escalated in recent weeks.

Hezbollah said on Sunday it was fighting Israeli forces trying to infiltrate Ramya village in southern Lebanon.

Israel's military said it continues to operate in southern Lebanon to dismantle "terrorist infrastructure".

"Over the past day, the IAF (air force) has struck approximately 200 Hezbollah targets deep in Lebanon and southern Lebanon, including terrorist cells, launchers, anti-tank missile posts, and terrorist infrastructure sites," it said.

Israel also said five launches that crossed from Lebanon were intercepted by the air force.

UN PEACEKEEPERS

Israel has intensified its military operations in recent weeks, bombing southern Lebanon, Beirut's southern suburbs and the Bekaa Valley, killing many of Hezbollah's top leaders, and sending ground troops across the border.

Hezbollah for its part has fired rockets deeper into Israel.

Israel's expanded operation has displaced more than 1.2 million people, according to Lebanon's government, which says more than 2,100 people have been killed and 10,000 wounded in over a year of fighting. The toll does not distinguish between civilians and combatants, but includes scores of women and children.

U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, in a call with Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant on Saturday, expressed "deep concern" about reports that Israeli forces had fired on U.N. peacekeeping positions in Lebanon in recent days and urged Israel to ensure safety for them and the Lebanese military, the Pentagon said.

Five peacekeepers have been injured in three separate incidents since Thursday, the peacekeeping mission UNIFIL has said.

The fighting in the region which includes all of Tehran's allied militant groups -- Hezbollah, Yemen's Houthis and armed groups in Iraq -- has raised fears that the United States and Iran will be sucked into a full-scale conflict in the oil-producing Middle East.

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq said in a statement on Sunday it had targeted a military site in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights with drones as part of its support of the Palestinian people and Lebanon. It said it would continue escalating attacks against Israeli strongholds.

The war in Gaza began after a Hamas-led assault on Oct. 7, 2023, on southern Israeli communities in which 1,200 people were killed and about 250 were taken hostage, according to Israeli tallies.

Israel's military campaign in Gaza, aimed at eliminating the militant group Hamas, has killed more than 42,000 Palestinians, according to Gaza's health ministry, and has laid waste to the enclave.

SOURCE: https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...se-towns-amid-rising-displacement-2024-10-12/
 
Iran FM says ‘no red lines in defending our people and interests’

Iran’s top diplomat vowed Sunday there would be “no red lines” for the country in defending its people and interests, ahead of Israel’s expected retaliation for Iran’s recent missile attack.

“While we have made tremendous efforts in recent days to contain an all-out war in our region, I say it clearly that we have no red lines in defending our people and interests,” Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi wrote in a post on X.

Iran fired 200 missiles at Israel on October 1 in what it said was retaliation for the killing of Tehran-aligned militant leaders in the region and a general in Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).

Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant has vowed Israel’s response will be “deadly, precise, and surprising.”

Araghchi was in Baghdad to discuss the wars in Gaza and Lebanon with Iraqi officials, according to the ministry.

Ali al-Moussawi, political advisor to the Iraqi prime minister, told AFP Araghchi’s visit was part of a diplomatic effort “to silence weapons and violence... to establish security and stability in the region.”

After Baghdad, Araghchi will head to Oman, the Iranian ISNA news agency reported.

On Thursday, Araghchi was in Qatar where he met Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani over the wars in Gaza and Lebanon.

Qatar has been mediating talks aimed at a Gaza ceasefire and has called for a truce in Lebanon.

A day earlier, Araghchi met Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and his Saudi counterpart Prince Faisal bin Farhan.

In a recent interview, Araghchi said Iran does “not want war” but it was “not afraid of it.”

 
Iran 'prepared for a war situation', says foreign minister

Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi says his country is ready for a “war situation”.

Speaking while on a visit to Baghdad, he said: “We are fully prepared for a war situation. We are not afraid of war, but we do not want war, we want peace.”

He added that Iran would “work for a just peace in Gaza and Lebanon”.

The foreign minister is in Iraq to discuss efforts to stop the wars in Lebanon and Gaza.

BBC
 
If it wasn't for Iran, both Iraq and Syria would be completely overrun by ISIS. Why is it that Israel's enemies (and by extension America's enemies) must be everyone else's too ?
 
US to send anti-missile system and troops to Israel, Pentagon says

The United States said on Sunday it will send U.S. troops to Israel along with an advanced U.S. anti-missile system, in a highly unusual deployment meant to bolster the country's air defenses following missile attacks by Iran.

U.S. President Joe Biden said the move was meant "to defend Israel," which is weighing an expected retaliation against Iran after Tehran fired more than 180 missiles at Israel on Oct 1.

The United States has been privately urging Israel to calibrate its response to avoid triggering a broader war in the Middle East, officials say, with Biden publicly voicing his opposition to an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear sites and his concerns about a strike on Iran's energy infrastructure.

Pentagon spokesperson Major General Patrick Ryder described the deployment as part of "the broader adjustments the U.S. military has made in recent months" to support Israel and defend U.S. personnel from attacks by Iran and Iranian-backed groups.


 
Israel will respond to Iran based on national interest – PM

Israel will listen to the US but make final decisions based on its national interest, the Israeli prime minister's office said, as speculation over its response to a major Iranian missile attack continues.

The brief overnight statement was issued in response to a Washington Post story which said Benjamin Netanyahu had told the US he was willing to target military sites in Iran – rather than nuclear or oil facilities.

Citing two officials, the Post said Netanyahu made the comments during a phone call with US President Joe Biden last Wednesday, when they discussed Israel's intended retaliation.

Iran launched almost 200 ballistic missiles towards Israel on 1 October. Most of the projectiles were intercepted, Israel's military said.

At the time, Netanyahu said Iran had made a "big mistake" and would "pay for it".

The overnight Israeli statement, sent alongside a link to the Washington Post article, said: "We listen to the American government’s thoughts, but will make our final decisions based on Israel’s national security needs."

According to an anonymous official quoted in the Post, Israel's retaliatory strike would be designed to avoid the appearance of "political interference" in the upcoming US presidential election, which is less than a month away.

Analysts have said a hit on Iranian oil facilities could push up oil prices, and therefore affect the polls, which currently suggest a close race between Vice-President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump.

The price of crude oil shot up 5% at the beginning of the month, immediately after President Biden spoke about the possibility of an Israeli strike on Iran's oil infrastructure.

The US has appeared to be trying to limit Israel's response to Iran.

Biden has said the US does not support any potential strike on Iranian nuclear sites - a course of action touted by some in Israel, including former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett.

And on 4 October, Biden went further, signalling the US would also oppose an Israeli strike on Iran's oil facilities.

"If I were in their shoes, I would be thinking about other alternatives than striking Iranian oil fields," he said during a news conference.

Israel has not officially said how it intends to respond to Iran's October missile attack - the second in six months - but Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said last week its reaction would be "deadly, precise and above all surprising".

"They will not understand what happened and how it happened, they will see the results," Gallant said.

Iran has, in turn, said it will not let any attack by Israel go unanswered.

Meanwhile, the US has said it will help bolster Israel's air defences, by deploying a high-altitude anti-missile system.

The Pentagon said that the Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (Thaad) deployment underscored the US's "ironclad" commitment "to the defence of Israel, and to defend Americans in Israel from any further ballistic missile attacks by Iran".

Iran said its October missile barrage was a response to Israel's assassinations of the Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and a senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) officer in Beirut, and of the Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran.

Israel has dramatically escalated its campaign against Iran-backed Hezbollah in recent weeks, carrying out deadly air strikes predominantly in southern and eastern Lebanon, and also in the capital, Beirut.

Before that, Israel and Hezbollah had been trading cross-border fire on a near daily basis since last October, when Hezbollah began firing into Israel which it said was a show of support for Palestinians in Gaza.

It had said it would stop firing if there was a ceasefire in Gaza.

BBC
 
All mouth and no substance these iranians
Their proxy is abandoning lebanon and fighters are escaping to syria and Iraq

Leaving lebanon to meet a similar fate like gaza.

Done very little to support it's proxies these ionly to get them smashed and get the civilian population massacred in huge numbers.
 
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Israel’s plan to respond to this month’s Iranian attack is ready, a source told CNN — and US officials expect it to happen before the US presidential election, which is in less than three weeks. Israeli officials have assured the US that the counterstrike would be limited to military targets rather than oil or nuclear facilities, according to a source.

CNN
 
Israel’s plan to respond to this month’s Iranian attack is ready, a source told CNN — and US officials expect it to happen before the US presidential election, which is in less than three weeks. Israeli officials have assured the US that the counterstrike would be limited to military targets rather than oil or nuclear facilities, according to a source.

CNN

Iran did the same thing, gave plenty of warning to the US before launching their missiles towards israel. It does all seem a bit staged and choreographed.
 
Iran did the same thing, gave plenty of warning to the US before launching their missiles towards israel. It does all seem a bit staged and choreographed.
It's a tough decision for Israel. Ideally they'd want to wait for Trump to win so they can give him a big publicity boost with strike on Iran. On the other hand, if Kamala wins, she'll get the publicity and will probably (hypocritically) chastise them as well.

There were some leaks in the last few days from the Biden administration that Israel's committed not to attach oil facilities. It brought oil prices down.
 
It's a tough decision for Israel. Ideally they'd want to wait for Trump to win so they can give him a big publicity boost with strike on Iran. On the other hand, if Kamala wins, she'll get the publicity and will probably (hypocritically) chastise them as well.

There were some leaks in the last few days from the Biden administration that Israel's committed not to attach oil facilities. It brought oil prices down.

Damned by faint praise. Attacks on foreign countries are co-ordinated depending on elections in the US these days which is not a great reflection on world geopolitics.
 
Damned by faint praise. Attacks on foreign countries are co-ordinated depending on elections in the US these days which is not a great reflection on world geopolitics.
It is what it is. As Clausewitz is supposed to have said "War is just a continuation of politics."
 
It's a tough decision for Israel. Ideally they'd want to wait for Trump to win so they can give him a big publicity boost with strike on Iran. On the other hand, if Kamala wins, she'll get the publicity and will probably (hypocritically) chastise them as well.

There were some leaks in the last few days from the Biden administration that Israel's committed not to attach oil facilities. It brought oil prices down.
It's a bit ignorant to think Trump would definitely go after Iran. Trump doesn't want to entangle US forces in the ME so he will probably still leave that to the US puppets the zionist entity.
 
Netanyahu to 'hold security meeting' as response to Iran looms - Israeli media

Israeli media is reporting that Benjamin Netanyahu will convene a security cabinet meeting this evening at 7.30pm local time (5.30pm UK time) in Tel Aviv.

The meeting will take place in the Kirya military headquarters in Tel Aviv, the office of one of the ministers has reportedly told The Times of Israel.

The report shared no details as to the agenda of the meeting, but notably said that Israel "continues to prepare to strike Iran" in response to the ballistic missile attack launched at the start of the month.

There's been no official confirmation that any such meeting is taking place, or that any Israeli action against Iran is imminent, but we'll bring you any updates as we get them.

Sky News
 
Leak of US intelligence on Israel-Iran under investigation: House speaker

US House Speaker Mike Johnson says there’s an investigation under way into the leak of classified US intelligence documents related to Israel’s preparations to launch an attack on Iran.

Speaking to CNN, Johnson said: “There’s a classified-level briefing … we are following it closely.” He did not provide details on the briefing.

The documents first appeared online Friday via a channel on Telegram, claiming they had been leaked by someone in the US intelligence community, then later the US Defense Department. The information appeared entirely gathered through the use of satellite image analysis.

Al Jazeera
 
Biden ‘concerned’ about release of files on Israel’s plans to strike Iran

The White House says United States President Joe Biden is “deeply concerned” about the apparent leak of US government documents outlining intelligence assessments about Israel’s preparations to attack Iran.

Washington is not sure how the documents posted on the social media platform Telegram last week were made public, White House spokesperson John Kirby told reporters on Monday.

It is unclear whether the files were leaked or hacked.

“The president remains deeply concerned about any leakage of classified information into the public domain. That is not supposed to happen and it’s unacceptable when it does,” Kirby said.

The classified documents include an analysis of satellite imagery of Israeli military activities.


 
Strike on Iran will make world understand Israel’s might, says defence minister

Planned airstrikes on Iran will make the world understand Israel’s military might, the Israeli defence minister, Yoav Gallant, has said.

The Middle East has been braced for more than three weeks for a threatened Israeli response to Iran’s 1 October missile attack, which was in turn a reprisal for Israel’s killing of the Hezbollah leader, Hassan Nasrallah.

Gallant visited aircrews at Hatzerim airbase on Wednesday and made clear that Israel still intended to strike back. “After we attack in Iran, they will understand in Israel and elsewhere what your preparations have included,” Gallant told the crews in a video distributed by his office.

On X, Gallant added more about his exchange with the air force personnel. “In my conversation with them I emphasised – after we attack Iran, everyone will understand your might, the process of preparation and training – any enemy that tries to harm the state of Israel will pay a heavy price,” the minister said.

The extent of Israel’s target list has been the subject of protracted conversations between Israeli leaders and the Biden administration, which has urged them not to strike Iran’s oil industry infrastructure or its nuclear programme. Washington fears a cycle of escalation, particularly in the last two weeks before the US presidential election.


 
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