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Aljazeera reported ..... Iran warned all Gulf countries to destroy their oil facilities and oil business. Now when war started, Iran mentioned that they will attack only US bases in gulf countries... Now Iran being a Shia country challenged all Gulf sunnies countries
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Iran still has something to fight for.

They can keep battering the middle east, raise oil prices, cause economy globally to suffer, and set the gulf states back even more.

If they stop now they have gained nothing, regime is intact but isolated and will become pariah like North Korea, the surrounding regions will flourish and internal struggles will continue in Iran.

I think they will continue.

I read somewhere that oil price is a good barometer for who is "winning". From an Iranian perspective they have to get it to a level where next time someone dares to take out their leaders, they will realise that it will cause a global recession. If they can keep nudging oil prices upwards and increase global uncertainty then they will have more of a bargaining chip.
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Well that’s what I mean. Iran can certainly make other countries suffer and hurt. But it’s not going to improve their own country’s situation.

Yes perhaps you are right in the fact that the more Iran does the less likely anyone will try to attack Iran again. But I think we’ve already reached that point personally.

I don’t think worsening ties with the gulf states is great for Iran. They’re already bad. USA and Israel are long gone doesn’t matter what Iran does to them (or reverse). But even worse relations with these gulf nations will hit Iran economically even further.
 
Mas-LFC said:

@Devadwal

Learn something from your fellow but sane Indian who isn’t brainwashed by anti-Muslim hate like you.
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There are 1.5 billion people in India... everyone has their own opinion and I also have my own... so just sit back and enjoy the show.

My Support is towards 🇮🇱

Between Iran and USA - I support Iran.

Between Iran and Gulf States - I support Iran

So yea enjoy the show ..

:klopp :kp
 
Devadwal said:
There are 1.5 billion people in India... everyone has their own opinion and I also have my own... so just sit back and enjoy the show.

My Support is towards 🇮🇱

Between Iran and USA - I support Iran.

Between Iran and Gulf States - I support Iran

So yea enjoy the show ..

:klopp :kp
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Congratulations at least you openly supporting Iran, bu Pakistan government can't
 
I guess the goal for Iran is to try and force a peace treaty and avoid Israel and USA attacking them until the end of trump’s term. I doubt the next president will try anything of the sort after this fiasco. Especially since they’ve proved killing the leader doesn’t change the regime.

Israel will likely do as much as they can during trump’s term as they know they won’t get a chance after. They’re probably carrying out stuff they have planned for decades but never got the go ahead.

I still think it’s sad that there the Iranian regime is there for the Iranian people. Somehow that regime needs to go. Every country deserves proper democracy. But let’s face it this war is mostly fought because over weapons and fear of attacks on Israel. Not for the wellbeing of the Iranian people. And in terms of removing that regime it is not working.
 
Devadwal said:
There are 1.5 billion people in India... everyone has their own opinion and I also have my own... so just sit back and enjoy the show.

My Support is towards 🇮🇱

Between Iran and USA - I support Iran.

Between Iran and Gulf States - I support Iran

So yea enjoy the show ..

:klopp :kp
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He is clearly an average Indian like you, has got more voice than you, over 400k subs. Even Dhruv Rathee over 10mill subs is against Israel Americans.

Original post was about for you learn something from them what they’re saying about this conflict which is facts. Dont get too excited by your fatherland Israeli ziopigs evil attacks on Iran oil gas fields as it will affect your motherland India too as it’s already doing so.
 
IDF: ‘The Israeli army attacked Iran's missile-launching naval ships in the Caspian Sea for the first time

Among the main targets that were hit in the port:

Iranian Navy military vessels, including missile-launching ships, support ships, and patrol boats. The missile-launching ships that were targeted included air defense systems as well as anti-submarine missiles

A central headquarters from which Iranian naval forces managed ongoing activities in the Caspian Sea domain

A central infrastructure facility that was used for the continuous repair and maintenance of vessels

The Iranian Navy used the port that was attacked to carry out operational activities, which are now neutralized following the attack on the port and nearby ships.

The Israel Defense Forces is determined to continue monitoring, identifying, and striking the Iranian terrorist regime wherever and at whatever distance it operates’

:kp
 
NEW: UK, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, & Japan issue joint statement expressing “readiness to contribute to appropriate efforts” to ensure safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz, welcoming nations engaging in prep/planning & coordinating SPR releases and ways to increase output.

Calls for Iran to “cease immediately its threats, laying of mines, drone and missile attacks and other attempts to block the Strait to commercial shipping, and to comply with UN Security Council Resolution 2817”

www.gov.uk

Joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Japan on the Strait of Hormuz: 19 March 2026

Joint statement from the leaders of the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Japan on the Strait of Hormuz.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
There are 1.5 billion people in India... everyone has their own opinion and I also have my own... so just sit back and enjoy the show.

My Support is towards 🇮🇱

Between Iran and USA - I support Iran.

Between Iran and Gulf States - I support Iran

So yea enjoy the show ..

:klopp :kp
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Israel, gulf states and USA are all on the same side. If Iran changes its attitude there will be more peace. All the other countries can work together to combat terrorism in the Middle East which is the main problem for these Arab nations and Israel.

Only caveat is the poor Palestinians miss out. Iran is probably the only nation left that truly supports them around that area. Rest just care about money. These terroist groups like Hamas do nothing for Palestine and mostly care about keeping power themselves. You need actual countries pressuring Israel to make a deal. But Israel will use these terrorist groups as reasons to continue what they are doing. And these terrorist groups will continue abusing power through force knowing realistically that the destruction of Israel is unrealistic thus allowing them to operate under this false guise forever.
 
My Only issue with Modi and BJP government goverment that we should have condemned the killing of Iran supreme leader no matter how is our relation with Israel ... Killing of a State of head is deserved absolute condemnation.

:kp
 
deltexas said:
It wont be boots on the ground for sure. More like naval warfare. Again that is if China invades. In that scenario, US wont be alone. The EU, Japan, S Korea , even Ind would ally with the US. So, will be a multi national effort. . Again very very improbable China will invade though
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I don't think any country will oppose China...the is will simply bomb out tsmc and call it a day... Under current admin...new admin it might be different. Also don't think India will militarily intervene
 
HalBass9 said:
People in Dallas who say Muslims should leave are often influenced by what they’ve been led to believe, but when they actually get to know Muslim individuals, many end up changing their views. On the other hand, some frustrations directed at Indians tend to come from personal experiences in neighborhoods or workplaces, whether it’s noise complaints like late night garba, scams, or other issues people feel they’ve encountered.

Majority don’t want you in Dallas just as majority would have never voted for Vivek Ramaswamy.
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For someone like you who lives in a dictatorship , you have no idea what a free society or democracy looks like. And that is fine, nobody cares about your religious nonsense here. Such guys should stick and stay in their Islamic nations and not try to immigrate here.
 
Spoke with my friend India's Minister of External Affairs Dr Jaishankar and briefed him on developments in our operation against the Iranian terror regime.
I said that the regime is carrying out naval terrorism in the Strait of Hormuz. This is not an American or Israeli issue, it's a fundamental problem affecting world order and the global economy. If this grave phenomenon is not addressed now, it could spread worldwide.
I also addressed the Iranian regime’s aggression toward other countries in the Middle East, the Caucasus, and Europe. I emphasized that the Iranian regime is acting madly.
We value our special strategic partnership with India, the world's largest democracy. 🇮🇱🇮🇳

https://twitter.com/x/status/2034643102770626886

:kp
 
globetrotter said:
Can any pak poster answer this?

Afghanistan-Pakistan war was over before this Gulf War. When Iran started to hit Gulf countries like Saudi Arabia.... Saudi signed defence pact with Pakistan.... this situation is critical for Saudis as they were expecting Pakistan help.

Pakistan leadership aware about it, therefore, in order avoi md this they bombed Kabul hospital and killed 400 innocent, in fact Pakistan expecting afghan to attack Pakistan in retaliation. However, Afghanistan remains peaceful as they were aware of this plot.

Saudi was sunni nation like Pakistan, pakistan should have helped Saudis as per the pact signed between them. What prevented Pakistan not to help Saudis in this Shia vs Sunnies war?
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no one can answer your lies ... even you cant,
 
ads101 said:
I still think it’s sad that there the Iranian regime is there for the Iranian people. Somehow that regime needs to go. Every country deserves proper democracy. But let’s face it this war is mostly fought because over weapons and fear of attacks on Israel. Not for the wellbeing of the Iranian people. And in terms of removing that regime it is not working.
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Democracy does not exist in any of Gulf countries. Even with oppressive regime, Iranian women are more advanced compared to other Gulf countries. Have you ever thought, maybe dictators are the way to go for these countries? It's definitely better than having the country turn into haven for ISIS.
 
Devadwal said:
There are 1.5 billion people in India... everyone has their own opinion and I also have my own... so just sit back and enjoy the show.

My Support is towards 🇮🇱

Between Iran and USA - I support Iran.

Between Iran and Gulf States - I support Iran

So yea enjoy the show ..

:klopp :kp
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tldr: Israel hits Iran, in response Iran is hitting rest of Gulf states whom are also Muslims. Win-Win for brother @Devadwal and other Muslimophobes.
 
ads101 said:
I guess the goal for Iran is to try and force a peace treaty and avoid Israel and USA attacking them until the end of trump’s term. I doubt the next president will try anything of the sort after this fiasco. Especially since they’ve proved killing the leader doesn’t change the regime.

Israel will likely do as much as they can during trump’s term as they know they won’t get a chance after. They’re probably carrying out stuff they have planned for decades but never got the go ahead.

I still think it’s sad that there the Iranian regime is there for the Iranian people. Somehow that regime needs to go. Every country deserves proper democracy. But let’s face it this war is mostly fought because over weapons and fear of attacks on Israel. Not for the wellbeing of the Iranian people. And in terms of removing that regime it is not working.
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If that democracy is to boot lick the Zionists and bend over for western imperialism and a political system that allows Israel to carry out genocide, mass murder, and expanding colonial project then to hek with such bogus democracy to appease the West. Iran is only able to stand up strong against the "war mongering genocidal democracies" because it doesn't have the farce of democracy
 
deltexas said:
For someone like you who lives in a dictatorship , you have no idea what a free society or democracy looks like. And that is fine, nobody cares about your religious nonsense here. Such guys should stick and stay in their Islamic nations and not try to immigrate here.
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I may be wrong but I think both @HalBass9 and you live in the same dictatorship - the US...where the whole country or at least a vast majority doesn't want the war but are pulled into it by an idiot dictator fooled by by a foreign government.
 
All bakhts will soon now exit this thread - Need a software update to deal with Iran's attack on Haifa refinery.

See you guys after the update :LOL::LOL:
 

Another good interview on Zeteo this time with Ben Rhodes, a former US national security advisor, who says explicitly that Israel's goal is hegemony in the ME and expanding its territory.

Apparently Rubio and Hegseth, despite their public bravado, are internally trying to offer Trump off-ramps...
 
Kriketer said:
If that democracy is to boot lick the Zionists and bend over for western imperialism and a political system that allows Israel to carry out genocide, mass murder, and expanding colonial project then to hek with such bogus democracy to appease the West. Iran is only able to stand up strong against the "war mongering genocidal democracies" because it doesn't have the farce of democracy
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Is your theory that countries and peoples like Iran and Pakistan don't deserve Democracy and can only work in a Dictatorship and that Democracy and freedom to choose your own leader is only deserved by people like you who live in civilized countries like the UK?
 
Red-Indian said:
I may be wrong but I think both @HalBass9 and you live in the same dictatorship - the US...where the whole country or at least a vast majority doesn't want the war but are pulled into it by an idiot dictator fooled by by a foreign government.
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It's an illusion of control, in reality the system has been pretty much gamed in the USA.
 
Kriketer said:
If that democracy is to boot lick the Zionists and bend over for western imperialism and a political system that allows Israel to carry out genocide, mass murder, and expanding colonial project then to hek with such bogus democracy to appease the West. Iran is only able to stand up strong against the "war mongering genocidal democracies" because it doesn't have the farce of democracy
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Iran is still more democratic than any of the Gulf Arab kingdoms.

The Guardian Council admittedly filters out candidates (wrongly) for election, and some elections haven't been entirely free and fair (some covertly rigged), but the Iranian people do exercise a vote.

Ironically this war is being led by a man who literally rejected the outcome of an election in 2020, and tried himself to rig it afterwards. What a farcical situation we find ourselves in.
 
deltexas said:
For someone like you who lives in a dictatorship , you have no idea what a free society or democracy looks like. And that is fine, nobody cares about your religious nonsense here. Such guys should stick and stay in their Islamic nations and not try to immigrate here.
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Hurt your feelings?

Stop doing garba in the middle of the night in your neighborhood.
 
ads101 said:
I guess the goal for Iran is to try and force a peace treaty and avoid Israel and USA attacking them until the end of trump’s term. I doubt the next president will try anything of the sort after this fiasco. Especially since they’ve proved killing the leader doesn’t change the regime.

Israel will likely do as much as they can during trump’s term as they know they won’t get a chance after. They’re probably carrying out stuff they have planned for decades but never got the go ahead.

I still think it’s sad that there the Iranian regime is there for the Iranian people. Somehow that regime needs to go. Every country deserves proper democracy. But let’s face it this war is mostly fought because over weapons and fear of attacks on Israel. Not for the wellbeing of the Iranian people. And in terms of removing that regime it is not working.
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Khameini was on his way out he was 86. There is a lot of liberals in Iran ( relative liberals, they are still Mullahs) who may have been in a position to take over. The loosening of the reigns would likely have happened organically. I think had Khameini passed away naturally, the chances of his son taking over would have been zero.

If the goal was to remove the Islamic republic, then it wasn't well thought out.
 
IronShield said:
It's an illusion of control, in reality the system has been pretty much gamed in the USA.
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In most of the world including my own country but as that cretin Churchill said - it's the worst form of government except for all the rest.

In spite of all the free speech supression, ugly politics and sectarian division we suffer, I still wouldn't trade what we have in India for what those poor Iranians have or what you Pakistanis have for a political system.
 

Iran hits US F-35 stealth fighter jet and destroys Israeli oil refinery with missile as oil price soars in 'full scale economic warfare'​

Iran has launched attacks on an Israeli oil refinery and is suspected of firing at an American F-35 fighter jet forcing it to make an emergency landing at a US air base.

Israeli media outlets have shared footage of black smoke billowing from oil facilities in the port city of Haifa where an Iranian missile struck earlier today.

Meanwhile, Iran is also suspected of attacking an F-35 fighter jet which forced it to make an emergency landing at a US air base in the Middle East.
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www.dailymail.co.uk

LIVE: Iran hits Kuwait oil refinery in fresh attack

LIVE UPDATES: Follow the Daily Mail's live coverage of the US-Israel war with Iran as Donald Trump threatens to blow up an Iranian gas field at the centre of a major escalation in the conflict.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
HalBass9 said:
Hurt your feelings?

Stop doing garba in the middle of the night in your neighborhood.
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I'm not sure what objection you have to some fun Garba a little late into the night. Unless you're saying you support prohibition of public cultural and religious displays except Christian ones?
 
HalBass9 said:
Hurt your feelings?

Stop doing garba in the middle of the night in your neighborhood.
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Your feelings are hurt all the time dude and you project it onto others. Nobody does garba and if they do it on the street , yes they absolutely need to be penalized just like when some peaceful folks do namaz right in the middle of the road and block . Or do namaaz anywhere with no respect for others' sensibilities . Nobody cares for religious nonsense here in the US unlike some peaceful countries
 
To those who say Israel isn't a discriminatory country - the bomb shelter situation is the perfect counterpoint. A fifth of Israel's population are Arabs.

According to Haaretz (the best Israeli outlet and their lone media voice against occupation), the Israeli Govt systematically underfunds the construction of bomb shelters in Arab communities.


Look at this damning statistic:

According to a state comptroller's report from 2022, only 28 percent of homes in the Arab community have a safe room or a protected space that is up to code, compared to 75 percent among the Jewish population.
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This is a racist ethnostate pure and simple.
 
Red-Indian said:
I may be wrong but I think both @HalBass9 and you live in the same dictatorship - the US...where the whole country or at least a vast majority doesn't want the war but are pulled into it by an idiot dictator fooled by by a foreign government.
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You can feel good with statements like these and thats fine thats your opinion. Calling the US a dictatorship . well if it was not so funny , I would have explained a lot more !:)
 
deltexas said:
You can feel good with statements like these and thats fine thats your opinion. Calling the US a dictatorship . well if it was not so funny , I would have explained a lot more !:)
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What do you think is the level of public support (in the US) for this war?
 
finalfantasy7 said:
no one can answer your lies ... even you cant,
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Its escaping answer.... what's real answer?
Why Pakistan backing out on Saudi pact now.?.. Is there a rift amongst sunni nations?. Is China preventing Pakistan to join Saudis due to fear of exposing its weapons?

You must answer
 
Red-Indian said:
What do you think is the level of public support (in the US) for this war?
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Sure! The public support is about 50% I would say or maybe a bit more for aerial weapons to destroy Irans nuclear program. Obviously more Reps than Dems. Thats just the way it is here in US . everything Split along party lines. But only for short time aerial strikes like 3 or 4 months not a protracted war. Nobody wants a long drawn out war nor they have the appetite for it. Nobody wants a never-ending war causing human loss and drain on resources .And absolutely no support for troops on the ground. If Reps mishandle this Iran war, the midterm elections will be a bloodbath and the 2028 US prez elections as well potentially. If Trump and Rubio mess this up , the elections will be tough for the Reps
 
More than 1400 Iranians including Khomeini and all top leaders and top military commanders killed...

More than 32 lac ppls displaced by US-Israel attack on Iran

12 iranian vessels, 11 iranian submarines destroyed

60% iranian missiles launchers destroyed, many war planes and helicopters destroyed.

Iran becoming weak day by day..... US now plans to take Kharg Island which holds 90% of oil and major pie export to China.

If US succeds in taking g Kharg island, it will be end for Iran and China
 
deltexas said:
Sure! The public support is about 50% I would say or maybe a bit more for aerial weapons to destroy Irans nuclear program. Obviously more Reps than Dems. Thats just the way it is here in US . everything Split along party lines. But only for short time aerial strikes like 3 or 4 months not a protracted war. Nobody wants a long drawn out war nor they have the appetite for it. Nobody wants a never-ending war causing human loss and drain on resources .And absolutely no support for troops on the ground. If Reps mishandle this Iran war, the midterm elections will be a bloodbath and the 2028 US prez elections as well potentially. If Trump and Rubio mess this up , the elections will be tough for the Reps
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5 out of 7 polls in the last week show Americans oppose the war by double digits. Only 2 outlier polls - Washington Post and Fox news show 50-50. I think it's safe to say a majority of your fellow citizens don't want a war and have been dragged into it by an orange wannabe dictator.

It's tough to see the mid-terms being a bloodbath because of the peculiar partisan way American elections are set up...after all, you guys voted Dubya back to power in the middle of the second Iraq War. Even so, I don't think there's any path to American victory left now unless you guys commit to a massive ground invasion. You'll just have to declare victory and get out.

You'll be back at this war in 5 years when the next Iranian Supreme leader declares his resolve to build the bomb. It's like the Pakistanis dreaming they can defeat Afghanistan by bombing it...just on a much larger scale.
 
BDfanforever said:
Democracy does not exist in any of Gulf countries. Even with oppressive regime, Iranian women are more advanced compared to other Gulf countries. Have you ever thought, maybe dictators are the way to go for these countries? It's definitely better than having the country turn into haven for ISIS.
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Dictators eventually turn bad. Just matter of time. People used to defend Putin for Russia that he was needed for that country. And now look what he’s done to Ukraine. They do anything use force, kill the opposition and protestors. Because they have absolute power. I can’t name a single dictator who I think is doing a great job.

The gulf nations should veer towards democracy too. In only takes one bad king/prince with weird views to damage their countries.

When people are in power for too long they become unpredictable. Sometimes they try to push the absolute limits of power. Sometimes they’re just scared of losing power as they fear what will happen. But prolonged power often makes these people go crazy.

I think usa’s system of 2 max terms is perfect. Even if they vote in someone weird like trump he will be gone soon.

If we compare truer Muslim democracies such as Malaysia and Indonesia their countries are generally more stable.

Groups like Isis and other terrorist organisations haven’t overrun countries due to democracies. They have grown powerful from funding, ironically dictators such as ones in Iran. If every single country there in that region was a democracy I think they’d probably all work together to stamp out terrorism. As taking power through force which is what terrorist groups do is anti democracy.
 
IronShield said:
Show me where Saudis have formally asked Pakistan to intervene.
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1st you should read that defense pact...
Saudi will not ask openly as the defence pact clearly applicable to the current situation as Iran os freely firing missiles on Saudi.

Defense pact commits both nations to treat external aggression against both. However at this crucial time Pakistan feared and therefore they choose to attack Kabul hospital. Pakistan wanted to show Saudis that they are involved in war against Afghanistan and therefore they can't come to help Saudis
 
globetrotter said:
1st you should read that defense pact...
Saudi will not ask openly as the defence pact clearly applicable to the current situation as Iran os freely firing missiles on Saudi.

Defense pact commits both nations to treat external aggression against both. However at this crucial time Pakistan feared and therefore they choose to attack Kabul hospital. Pakistan wanted to show Saudis that they are involved in war against Afghanistan and therefore they can't come to help Saudis
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So basically you have no evidence that the pact has been activated

If you have proof that Saudis activated the pact and Pakistan refused, then let's see?
 
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globetrotter said:
Aljazeera reported ..... Iran warned all Gulf countries to destroy their oil facilities and oil business. Now when war started, Iran mentioned that they will attack only US bases in gulf countries... Now Iran being a Shia country challenged all Gulf sunnies countries
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Bahrain is 70%+ shia

Either you are mentally retarded or just being paid to spread fasad
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Khameini was on his way out he was 86. There is a lot of liberals in Iran ( relative liberals, they are still Mullahs) who may have been in a position to take over. The loosening of the reigns would likely have happened organically. I think had Khameini passed away naturally, the chances of his son taking over would have been zero.

If the goal was to remove the Islamic republic, then it wasn't well thought out.
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I think it’s likely at 86 he wasn’t running Iran’s operations fully anyway. There were already rumours the son was already running the show.

There’s a chance someone liberal gets in. But it’s likely it’s one and the same vein. There’s no open elections so public and liberals don’t get a vote. And it’s unlikely the small committee they have to vote people in will vote in someone opposite to the previous leader. But again you’re right killing the leader doesn’t do anything either, you just get more of the same in as a replacement.

This war is happening largely because Israel are scared Iran are developing weapons that they will use against them. And they know their best chance to be given permission for these attacks are during trump and when that Israel hostage situation is still relatively fresh in people’s minds. Israel don’t have the time to wait out till he dies or bank on the new guy being more liberal.

It’s a shame because this Iran situation was created by UK. They got annoyed about Iran nationalising their oil (which other countries had done understandably) and as a result forced out a true democratic leader for a non democratic one. Just shows nothing ever comes from trying to remove democracy from a country.
 
IronShield said:
So basically you have no evidence that the pact has been activated

If you have proof that Saudis activated the pact and Pakistan refused, then let's see?
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You purposely avoiding answer... the defence pact os activated when external aggression i.e. Iran ... Pakistan not honored the said defence pact.
 
globetrotter said:
1st you should read that defense pact...
Saudi will not ask openly as the defence pact clearly applicable to the current situation as Iran os freely firing missiles on Saudi.

Defense pact commits both nations to treat external aggression against both. However at this crucial time Pakistan feared and therefore they choose to attack Kabul hospital. Pakistan wanted to show Saudis that they are involved in war against Afghanistan and therefore they can't come to help Saudis
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Military cooperation is on the defence pact of India and UAE. What did India do?
 
Energy said:
Military cooperation is on the defence pact of India and UAE. What did India do?
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There is no mutual defense pact between use and India..get yourself educated on the nuances of treaty differences...India has similar treaties with Russia USA Israel uae Australia japan and many more countries.
 
ads101 said:
Dictators eventually turn bad. Just matter of time. People used to defend Putin for Russia that he was needed for that country. And now look what he’s done to Ukraine. They do anything use force, kill the opposition and protestors. Because they have absolute power. I can’t name a single dictator who I think is doing a great job.

The gulf nations should veer towards democracy too. In only takes one bad king/prince with weird views to damage their countries.

When people are in power for too long they become unpredictable. Sometimes they try to push the absolute limits of power. Sometimes they’re just scared of losing power as they fear what will happen. But prolonged power often makes these people go crazy.

I think usa’s system of 2 max terms is perfect. Even if they vote in someone weird like trump he will be gone soon.

If we compare truer Muslim democracies such as Malaysia and Indonesia their countries are generally more stable.

Groups like Isis and other terrorist organisations haven’t overrun countries due to democracies. They have grown powerful from funding, ironically dictators such as ones in Iran. If every single country there in that region was a democracy I think they’d probably all work together to stamp out terrorism. As taking power through force which is what terrorist groups do is anti democracy.
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You call dictators bad...yet you conveniently forget the following

Who installed the dictators as allies and regime changed govts to put the countries in chaos and civil war.

Who were allies with saddam gaddafi and Osama

Who launched the most number of war of choice .killing innocent's all over the world for oil and fake excuses.

Who wanted to build bases on the border of a nuclear armed Cold war rival ...why is Ukraine needed to be part of Nato.

Who started this round of war.

Hint it's a democracy and they talk about rule of law but open flaunt it.

Have some critical thinking hat and get out of western media propaganda.
 
deltexas said:
Sure! The public support is about 50% I would say or maybe a bit more for aerial weapons to destroy Irans nuclear program. Obviously more Reps than Dems. Thats just the way it is here in US . everything Split along party lines. But only for short time aerial strikes like 3 or 4 months not a protracted war. Nobody wants a long drawn out war nor they have the appetite for it. Nobody wants a never-ending war causing human loss and drain on resources .And absolutely no support for troops on the ground. If Reps mishandle this Iran war, the midterm elections will be a bloodbath and the 2028 US prez elections as well potentially. If Trump and Rubio mess this up , the elections will be tough for the Reps
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It's independents that matter and they are against the war. Once inflation hits and gas prices go up...it won't matter...it's all toast.
 

Iranian attack hits Israeli oil refinery in Haifa, some damage reported​


An Iranian missile attack hit Israel's Oil Refineries (ORL.TA), opens new tab in the northern port city of Haifa but did not cause "significant damage", Israel's Energy Ministry said on Thursday.

Energy ‌Minister Eli Cohen said power was briefly disrupted, with electricity restored to most of those who were affected.
The Reuters Iran Briefing newsletter keeps you informed with the latest developments and analysis of the Iran war.

"The damage to the power grid in the north is localized and not significant," Cohen said. "Also, in the barrage towards the north, there was no significant damage to Israeli ⁠infrastructure sites."

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said it had targeted refineries in Haifa, Israel's third-largest city, and in Ashdod, in the country's south, "along with a range of security targets and military support centres of the Zionist regime", which it said "were hit by pinpoint missiles".
There was no immediate word on whether the Ashdod refinery was hit.

Israel's Ministry of Environmental Protection said debris from a missile that was intercepted fell in Haifa and was being examined as a ‌hazardous ⁠materials incident.

Israel Electric Corp (ISECO.UL) said a power line in the Haifa area was hit by shrapnel, causing a brief outage, but that electricity was restored to all customers within about 45 minutes.

Source: Al Jazeera
 
straighttalk said:
It's independents that matter and they are against the war. Once inflation hits and gas prices go up...it won't matter...it's all toast.
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Of late the indys are a very low % overall, its pretty much driving the base voter turnout. And if they are unhappy, they won't turn out which the Rep base may not if the Iran war is protracted.
 
straighttalk said:
You call dictators bad...yet you conveniently forget the following

Who installed the dictators as allies and regime changed govts to put the countries in chaos and civil war.

Who were allies with saddam gaddafi and Osama

Who launched the most number of war of choice .killing innocent's all over the world for oil and fake excuses.

Who wanted to build bases on the border of a nuclear armed Cold war rival ...why is Ukraine needed to be part of Nato.

Who started this round of war.

Hint it's a democracy and they talk about rule of law but open flaunt it.

Have some critical thinking hat and get out of western media propaganda.
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I’ve already said on another post that this mess in Iran is because UK tried to remove a democratic leader in Iran over them nationalising oil. UK mucked up. Uk has progressed as a society and away from colonialism. The same Uk wouldn’t make the same mistake now, but what is done is done sadly.

Just because these things happened doesn’t mean democracy is wrong. It is still the right mode of government and has led to fairer, more free countries.

Dictatorships as a form of rule is wrong fundamentally. Thus you expect these dictators to do largely wrong things. Very few people in this world will choose to live under a dictatorship over a democratic country. Often the people defending dictators are those not actually living under them. I have Iranian friends and they seem happy USA killed their leader. I don’t think they’ll get the outcome that they want by this war hence I oppose this war. But I certainly don’t think people are thrilled to live under a dictatorship.
 
Iran has actually hit an F-35 US fighter jet, damaged Haifa in Israel, and refused to negotiate any opening of Hormuz Strait, while threatening a total collapse of GCC oil infra.
 
Red-Indian said:
I'm not sure what objection you have to some fun Garba a little late into the night. Unless you're saying you support prohibition of public cultural and religious displays except Christian ones?
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I do in the middle of night on the streets.
 
deltexas said:
Your feelings are hurt all the time dude and you project it onto others. Nobody does garba and if they do it on the street , yes they absolutely need to be penalized just like when some peaceful folks do namaz right in the middle of the road and block . Or do namaaz anywhere with no respect for others' sensibilities . Nobody cares for religious nonsense here in the US unlike some peaceful countries
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I’d never project support for PDF, that’s all you.

I show hatred for Hindutva whereas you hate all Muslims.

Maybe time to revisit the term “Projection”?
 
deltexas said:
Of late the indys are a very low % overall, its pretty much driving the base voter turnout. And if they are unhappy, they won't turn out which the Rep base may not if the Iran war is protracted.
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However you spin it..gop is losing the house and that would be end of Trump. Epstein war inflation and the blowback against ice...it's done and dusted
 
ads101 said:
I’ve already said on another post that this mess in Iran is because UK tried to remove a democratic leader in Iran over them nationalising oil. UK mucked up. Uk has progressed as a society and away from colonialism. The same Uk wouldn’t make the same mistake now, but what is done is done sadly.

Just because these things happened doesn’t mean democracy is wrong. It is still the right mode of government and has led to fairer, more free countries.

Dictatorships as a form of rule is wrong fundamentally. Thus you expect these dictators to do largely wrong things. Very few people in this world will choose to live under a dictatorship over a democratic country. Often the people defending dictators are those not actually living under them. I have Iranian friends and they seem happy USA killed their leader. I don’t think they’ll get the outcome that they want by this war hence I oppose this war. But I certainly don’t think people are thrilled to live under a dictatorship.
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I agree with what you posted now...democracy is the better form of governance as it keeps checks and balances. But I disagree that democracy is better for rest of the world...it is better for the country itself.
 
HalBass9 said:
I’d never project support for PDF, that’s all you.

I show hatred for Hindutva whereas you hate all Muslims.

Maybe time to revisit the term “Projection”?
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Hate is a wrong word you use. Questioning anything even if it's rational makes me a hater ??
 
straighttalk said:
However you spin it..gop is losing the house and that would be end of Trump. Epstein war inflation and the blowback against ice...it's done and dusted
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Yeah for sure , its going to be tough for the Reps. Still time for midterms yet. If they manage this Iran war correctly, they can still course correct and also get the gas prices and inflation down. Or else , they are absolute toast as you mention (y)
 
globetrotter said:
More than 1400 Iranians including Khomeini and all top leaders and top military commanders killed...

More than 32 lac ppls displaced by US-Israel attack on Iran

12 iranian vessels, 11 iranian submarines destroyed

60% iranian missiles launchers destroyed, many war planes and helicopters destroyed.

Iran becoming weak day by day..... US now plans to take Kharg Island which holds 90% of oil and major pie export to China.

If US succeds in taking g Kharg island, it will be end for Iran and China
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how will this end china, thr biggest oil importer is russia - then saudi then iran
 
globetrotter said:
Its escaping answer.... what's real answer?
Why Pakistan backing out on Saudi pact now.?.. Is there a rift amongst sunni nations?. Is China preventing Pakistan to join Saudis due to fear of exposing its weapons?

You must answer
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you mean you wrote a load of crap and your teling me im avoiding it, why dont you show us the proof regarding your post at 5758 and the above ****/saudi pact
 
deltexas said:
Of late the indys are a very low % overall, its pretty much driving the base voter turnout. And if they are unhappy, they won't turn out which the Rep base may not if the Iran war is protracted.
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Indys influence election though and they are disgusted with Epstein ice inflation and his base is fractured with the war
 
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