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HalBass9 said:
He would’ve done the same. The idea that India has a fully independent foreign policy is more of a comforting narrative than reality, smaller or weaker nations almost always end up aligning with one side or another.
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India played the neutral role better before the hindutva angle to be honest. I doubt you would have got a Congress leader singing and dancing "israeeel is de faaderland!" like a chump in the old days. They would have been polite to everyone, and that's all that's needed.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Indians are cartoons and their media a reflection of their population.

A long time ago on PP I called out their complete failure on foreign relations.

They suffer from severe delusions.
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India got too big for their boots and now nicely been humbled by big boy countries USA China and Russia now

India can only cling onto dhurandar movies IPL and cricket which the big boy countries dont care about
 
emranabbas said:
India got too big for their boots and now nicely been humbled by big boy countries USA China and Russia now

India can only cling onto dhurandar movies IPL and cricket which the big boy countries dont care about
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Honestly speaking, they got humbled by Pakistan.

If you buy the Indian narrative.

First Pahalgama.
Then jets obliterated.
Ceasefire that they pretended didnt happen
Then the spice girls tour of Shashi Tharoor and Owaisi to drum up anti Pakistan support failed.
Major organisations refused to condemn Pakistan.
When Delhi attacks happened they refused to blame Pakistan this time and their whole gimmick of we will take action against terror in Pakistan failed at the first huddle.

It is hugely embarrassing.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Honestly speaking, they got humbled by Pakistan.

If you buy the Indian narrative.

First Pahalgama.
Then jets obliterated.
Ceasefire that they pretended didnt happen
Then the spice girls tour of Shashi Tharoor and Owaisi to drum up anti Pakistan support failed.
Major organisations refused to condemn Pakistan.
When Delhi attacks happened they refused to blame Pakistan this time and their whole gimmick of we will take action against terror in Pakistan failed at the first huddle.

It is hugely embarrassing.
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Add this to the list as well:

Modi dancing for Trump and Netanyahu

Modi calling Israel the “fatherland”

USA dictating who India can buy oil from

India having to seek permission from the USA to buy oil from Iran and Russia during this war

A US senator calling India slaves on live TV

Israel also calling India slaves on live TV

Anyone got anything else? We might as well compile the full list 🤣
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
lol all of them you mentioned are insinuations and Imaginations that need no proof

Trump talked about saving Milliona of lives in context of N war , it does nt mean Pak aaked for CF

the moment India said we did nt hit Military , and we dnt want further escalation , that is in effect askinh for CF 🤣🤣
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Ok so you are saying what Trump uttered and your pm didn't object is not the truth.point taken
 
emranabbas said:
@straighttalk

This didn't happen

Trump had been trolling india by mentioning how many planes pakistan downed in every press conference

Then when trumped forced india to stop buying Russian oil he trolled india again saying 11 jets we downed and that shahbaz sharif would have died if he didn't intervene

He was being sarcastic but illiterate indians started doing bhangra over it without getting the sarcasm lol
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No he didn't .he changed the number of planes downed...never once did he say Indian jets down. Pak claimed 6 jets with 0 proof Indians claimed 12 jets with only the AWACS damage proven. You can share Trump's clip saying Indian jets down if you wish. Open challenge..hai dum..ya bhagega.

Trump asked India to stop buying oil..but go and look at stats India still buys majority oil from Russia before the war and after the war. So Trump said not to buy oil ..India didn't agree but still went on buying oil. Hai dum..go and look at publicly available stats and prove me wrong. Else just keep quiet

So no he never said Indian jets were downed ...he said 6 then 7 then 8 then 10...whatever he wanted aboutjets downed ..never Indian.

But he made the pak pm a joker to come up and publicly praise him..thooo
He made him stand up and then humiliated him by saying Sharif ran to Trump asking him to save lives.
 
daytrader said:
@straighttalk

and your talk of zero damage is just lying to your delusional self. Your own Generals admitted damage i.e. 'in war there will be casualties' when asked about jets being shot down.

There's a lot of flaws in the arguments you've been repeating so can you clarify your stances on this - your PM says operation Sindoor is ongoing. So what have you done since the cease fire? Have your objectives been met?


Also just yesterday India claims to have busted a Pakistani spy network that was conducting pre-attack reconnaissance. Here's the news.

If you had the cojones, you would attack Pakistan again just based on this but your armed forces know the reality that they cannot face another embarrassment hence this story has already been removed from the main pages.

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Zero damage to Indian bases...one jet is downed ..accepted by India. So no I'm not talking about air fight. There were 13 martys and some injuries. No pilots were killed.

Bhai India has done army surgical strike, Balakot and sindoor..if and when Munir drums up courage to commit a terror attack..you all will be bombed. Delhi attack was internal. What has pak done?

Op Sindoor is ongoing. Not militarily but clandestine. Who are the good terrorists that are getting gunned down by unknown people ?
 
daytrader said:
@straighttalk

and your talk of zero damage is just lying to your delusional self. Your own Generals admitted damage i.e. 'in war there will be casualties' when asked about jets being shot down.

There's a lot of flaws in the arguments you've been repeating so can you clarify your stances on this - your PM says operation Sindoor is ongoing. So what have you done since the cease fire? Have your objectives been met?


Also just yesterday India claims to have busted a Pakistani spy network that was conducting pre-attack reconnaissance. Here's the news.

If you had the cojones, you would attack Pakistan again just based on this but your armed forces know the reality that they cannot face another embarrassment hence this story has already been removed from the main pages.

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We are fighting an army that we defeat every single time and so there is nothing to worry about Pakistan.

We defeated them in 48 and 65 when they were aggressors..now reduced to lip service and terrorism in Kashmir.

Took away IWT and spanked them in limited surgical strike.

Made the pm ran to Trump and earlier Clinton during Kargil war to plead for ceasefire.

Liberated a brand new country in 71 with 93k surrendered soldiers and that too in 16 days..done and dusted

Defeated and controlled Siachen in 84.

Now tell me why would India a 4 trillion economy fear a imf bail out country ..do you even sustain war for more than 5 days..thats your limit to run to trump or threaten nukes...

Just the Iran war made your gas price go up...what will you do when India blocades your country's port...now don't tell me your stay at Port Navy is gonna save you
 
Rajdeep said:
I dont understand what @emranabbas gets by quoting Indian National Congress (Primary opposition party) spokes person's tweets here. Obviously they will be against Modi & govt as that is the job of opposition. I am sure even Pakistan opposition party will do the same. The fact that Iran is allowing Indian ships to pass through Straight of Hormuz is a vindication of Modi govt. Irrespective of the topic or discussion, Pakistanis and Indian like @Human786 is obsessed with Modi. 12 years and running...one would have presumed they would have learned their lessons by now.
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Raju stop tagging me in your stupid posts . c @The Bald Eagle @BouncerGuy
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22 April – "Modi ko bolo"
7 May – "Modi ne bola"
10 May - ''Trump ne bola ''


 
Rana said:
The amount of hatred

Why can’t they question their own government? Maybe everything they believe about Pakistan is a lie!
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They live in a North Korea type of dictation all outside media is blocked in india and their news channels are not allowed to broadcast any negative news about india.

This is not even made up they just recently started blocking indian accounts in india too.
 
Iran shows Europe 'in reach' with longest-range ballistic missile launch

Iran has shown its ballistic missiles can reach beyond the Middle East with an attempted attack on a remote Indian Ocean island hosting a joint United States-United Kingdom military base.

Tehran fired two long‑range missiles at the Diego Garcia air base, located nearly 4,000 kilometres from Iran.

It is uncertain how far the missiles reached before one was intercepted by the US and the other failed mid-flight.

But analysts from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said it marked "the furthest ever attempted Iranian missile strike".

Until now, it was believed Iran was unable to strike at such distances.

The regime has long claimed it had self-imposed a 2,000km limit on its ballistic missile program.

Iran's Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Esmaeil Baghaei denied targeting the air base, after NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte also said the alliance was unable to confirm the missile launches.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) warned Iran was building capabilities that posed "a much broader threat", saying countries in Europe, Asia and Africa could be in danger.


www.abc.net.au

Iran launches longest-ever ballistic missile reaching beyond Middle East

An attempted attack on a US-UK military base in the Indian Ocean by Iran shows Tehran can launch missiles as far as 4,000km, raising concerns European cities are in reach.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Trump is trying to make Pete Hegseth the scapegoat here, saying it was Pete who told him they had to attack Iran and now Pete is against talks with Iran. Trump trying to save his own skin here.

And the Israeli PM is apparently angry with his premier intelligence service.

Boukhla gae hain yeh dono.
 
straighttalk said:
Zero damage to Indian bases...one jet is downed ..accepted by India. So no I'm not talking about air fight. There were 13 martys and some injuries. No pilots were killed.
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Chalo at least you've accepted you lost the air fight. The result of which was that your air force was grounded for 2 days :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Darr hai PAF ka

straighttalk said:
Bhai India has done army surgical strike, Balakot and sindoor..if and when Munir drums up courage to commit a terror attack..you all will be bombed. Delhi attack was internal. What has pak done?
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When did your 'army' do a 'surgical strike'. Balakot was your Air force bombing some trees and the very next day you lost the air fight and your pilot was in our custody drinking some fantastic tea.

And on May 7th, you bombed a school with missiles. Army would be when your commandos develop some cojones to come into Pakistan. That's not going to happen.

straighttalk said:
Op Sindoor is ongoing. Not militarily but clandestine. Who are the good terrorists that are getting gunned down by unknown people ?
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Yea yea all talk. I thought objectives were met and you guys claimed victory. It's on going for your gullible public. If it was the case you would've started attacking Pakistan after uncovering a large spy network. Now is the prime time with us occupied in the war against Taliban par kya kare darr baitha hua hai
 
straighttalk said:
We are fighting an army that we defeat every single time and so there is nothing to worry about Pakistan.

We defeated them in 48 and 65 when they were aggressors..now reduced to lip service and terrorism in Kashmir.
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We still have the Kashmir from 48, you haven't been able to take it back.

In 65 India miscalculated and thought that Pakistan would be done in a week. The war lasted over 5 weeks officially ending in a stalemate.

After the Tashkent declaration, your PM Shastri was hailed as a hero for the ceasefire whereas Ayub Khan came under severe criticism and had to give up power. Your bigger economy and army couldn't save you face and you had to compromise to do a ceasefire.

straighttalk said:
Took away IWT and spanked them in limited surgical strike.

Made the pm ran to Trump and earlier Clinton during Kargil war to plead for ceasefire.
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We will resolve the IWT how we see fit. That's the thing we give India diplomatic chances to change it's course. Do you really think we will sit back and let you weaponize water. Let's see you complete any major dam first.

As for Kargil, enough said on it. Your own generals don't think it was a victory. India lost a lot of lives against a rag tag bunch without the official support of Pak army. You guys were literally sending soldiers to their death by trying to overpower Tiger hill with numbers. Kind of like Zombie video games where they come at you wave after wave.

straighttalk said:
Liberated a brand new country in 71 with 93k surrendered soldiers and that too in 16 days..done and dusted
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The geography didn't allow us to come at you with full force. The country and people wanted to be liberated. No one can forcefully hold on to a people that wants independence. Pakistan learned it's lesson. India though hasn't as it's still forcefully occupying Kashmir.

straighttalk said:
Defeated and controlled Siachen in 84.
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India was the aggressor in Siachen and sure maintains control of the Glacier but at what cost and to no advantage. Pakistan still controls the area on our side.

"With all the money we have spent in Siachen, we could have provided clean water and electricity to half the country" -Indian army colonel Narendra Kumar

straighttalk said:
Now tell me why would India a 4 trillion economy fear a imf bail out country ..do you even sustain war for more than 5 days..thats your limit to run to trump or threaten nukes...
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In 65 you made the same mistake and US/Israel just made the same mistake against Iran. Please don't worry about our economy and defense capabilities. We are a military nation and have always been prepared for just you.
:salute
 
emranabbas said:
Add this to the list as well:

Modi dancing for Trump and Netanyahu

Modi calling Israel the “fatherland”

USA dictating who India can buy oil from

India having to seek permission from the USA to buy oil from Iran and Russia during this war

A US senator calling India slaves on live TV

Israel also calling India slaves on live TV

Anyone got anything else? We might as well compile the full list 🤣
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Don't forget the saargical strikes and "Pakistan ne hum pe hi hamla kar diya" lol as what did you expect. zero strategic thinking from the Indian side
 
The US seems to have lost interest in this war what they expected to wrap up in two days has now dragged on into its 25th day.

Meanwhile, Israel appears keen to keep it going, but without US backing, they don’t really carry the same weight or pose the same level of threat.

Iran is the hero here a single country taking on multiple countries at the same time and still standing
 
I don't understand why Indian analysts are getting worked up over
daytrader said:
Chalo at least you've accepted you lost the air fight. The result of which was that your air force was grounded for 2 days :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Darr hai PAF ka



When did your 'army' do a 'surgical strike'. Balakot was your Air force bombing some trees and the very next day you lost the air fight and your pilot was in our custody drinking some fantastic tea.

And on May 7th, you bombed a school with missiles. Army would be when your commandos develop some cojones to come into Pakistan. That's not going to happen.



Yea yea all talk. I thought objectives were met and you guys claimed victory. It's on going for your gullible public. If it was the case you would've started attacking Pakistan after uncovering a large spy network. Now is the prime time with us occupied in the war against Taliban par kya kare darr baitha hua hai
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You see you guys have lost all the wars including this Sindoor conflict...but when you lose militarily you count number of jets lost. When you attack..you run the risk of getting shot. Just ask usaf and Israeli air force..the best in the world. Paf stays back like in Kargil watching IAF bulldoze your brave soldiers...so they cns claim no jets lost but the lack of courage of PAF is why pak loses every war against India. Choro you should ask when PAF was aware India will attack even then first they couldn't protect their terrorist bases and got hit at 9 places and then embarrassingly got 11 of their own airbases hit..after which Sharif ran to papa trump..since it showednwhatver India wants to hit ..it will hit. Also use some brain..if PAF had any iota of superiority IAF would t be able to bomb not one but 11 bases with impunity and 2 din me kya ukhar liye ki your superiority vanished.

After uri attack para SF got it and got some of your prized jehadis..it's all documented

www.bbc.com

Kashmir attack: India 'launches strikes against militants'

India's army carries out "surgical strikes" against suspected militants along the de-facto border with Pakistan in Kashmir.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Ya objectives were met.. punishment meted out to jehadis ...but terrorism is not defeated ..they are hosted on Paksitan ..so Sindoor is ongoing ...including assassination of terror leaders and when needed strikes.
 
daytrader said:
We still have the Kashmir from 48, you haven't been able to take it back.

In 65 India miscalculated and thought that Pakistan would be done in a week. The war lasted over 5 weeks officially ending in a stalemate.

After the Tashkent declaration, your PM Shastri was hailed as a hero for the ceasefire whereas Ayub Khan came under severe criticism and had to give up power. Your bigger economy and army couldn't save you face and you had to compromise to do a ceasefire.



We will resolve the IWT how we see fit. That's the thing we give India diplomatic chances to change it's course. Do you really think we will sit back and let you weaponize water. Let's see you complete any major dam first.

As for Kargil, enough said on it. Your own generals don't think it was a victory. India lost a lot of lives against a rag tag bunch without the official support of Pak army. You guys were literally sending soldiers to their death by trying to overpower Tiger hill with numbers. Kind of like Zombie video games where they come at you wave after wave.



The geography didn't allow us to come at you with full force. The country and people wanted to be liberated. No one can forcefully hold on to a people that wants independence. Pakistan learned it's lesson. India though hasn't as it's still forcefully occupying Kashmir.



India was the aggressor in Siachen and sure maintains control of the Glacier but at what cost and to no advantage. Pakistan still controls the area on our side.

"With all the money we have spent in Siachen, we could have provided clean water and electricity to half the country" -Indian army colonel Narendra Kumar



In 65 you made the same mistake and US/Israel just made the same mistake against Iran. Please don't worry about our economy and defense capabilities. We are a military nation and have always been prepared for just you.
:salute
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You need to learn to read history.

48 the Kashmir you occupied was done before Kashmir was part of India. You advanced all the way to Srinagar and then the kashmiris decided to join India. After that India drove you back and defeated you all in all the battles. It's all documented in wikipedia including the battle lpg and casualties.

In 65 you attacked India to take Kashmir .. not only you failed on that effort...you guys celebrate it as defence day. .when a county launches an attack and can't achieve their objectives ..it's called defeat...not the party defending.

Glad you accepted the other defeats ...and when you do something about IWT we can talk..for now you think with your hypothetical PAF superiority you should have made India sign IWT ....and attacked India instead of bleating on X that India is sponsoring Fitraat e hind .
 
BREAKING: The IDF says it has begun a new wave of strikes across Tehran, coinciding with reports of explosions heard in several parts of the Iranian capital.

:kp
 
The U.S. 14 point framework presented to Iran:

• Full dismantlement of accumulated nuclear capabilities

• Binding commitment never to pursue nuclear weapons

• Zero enrichment permitted on Iranian soil

• All enriched material transferred to the IAEA on an accelerated timeline

• Natanz, Isfahan, and Fordow to be decommissioned and destroyed

• Full transparency with the IAEA across all nuclear activities

• End of the proxy warfare doctrine

• Immediate halt to funding and arming regional proxies

• Strait of Hormuz guaranteed open as a free maritime corridor

• Missile program to face future limits on range and quantity

• Short range missiles restricted strictly to defensive use

• Full sanctions relief for Iran

• Support for a civilian nuclear project in Bushehr for electricity generation

• Removal of the snapback sanctions mechanism

:kp
 
straighttalk said:
I don't understand why Indian analysts are getting worked up over

You see you guys have lost all the wars including this Sindoor conflict...but when you lose militarily you count number of jets lost. When you attack..you run the risk of getting shot. Just ask usaf and Israeli air force..the best in the world. Paf stays back like in Kargil watching IAF bulldoze your brave soldiers...so they cns claim no jets lost but the lack of courage of PAF is why pak loses every war against India. Choro you should ask when PAF was aware India will attack even then first they couldn't protect their terrorist bases and got hit at 9 places and then embarrassingly got 11 of their own airbases hit..after which Sharif ran to papa trump..since it showednwhatver India wants to hit ..it will hit. Also use some brain..if PAF had any iota of superiority IAF would t be able to bomb not one but 11 bases with impunity and 2 din me kya ukhar liye ki your superiority vanished.

After uri attack para SF got it and got some of your prized jehadis..it's all documented

www.bbc.com

Kashmir attack: India 'launches strikes against militants'

India's army carries out "surgical strikes" against suspected militants along the de-facto border with Pakistan in Kashmir.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Ya objectives were met.. punishment meted out to jehadis ...but terrorism is not defeated ..they are hosted on Paksitan ..so Sindoor is ongoing ...including assassination of terror leaders and when needed strikes.
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You continue to double down as a moron. You can't even confirm these 'surgical strikes' after Uri 2016.

From the very article you posted:

But the army did not say whether troops had entered Pakistan-administered Kashmir or had fired across the border.

Cross border skirmishes on the LOC are very common and nothing to celebrate. par chuk ke rakho if that helps you sleep at night.
 
straighttalk said:
You need to learn to read history.

48 the Kashmir you occupied was done before Kashmir was part of India. You advanced all the way to Srinagar and then the kashmiris decided to join India. After that India drove you back and defeated you all in all the battles. It's all documented in wikipedia including the battle lpg and casualties.

In 65 you attacked India to take Kashmir .. not only you failed on that effort...you guys celebrate it as defence day. .when a county launches an attack and can't achieve their objectives ..it's called defeat...not the party defending.

Glad you accepted the other defeats ...and when you do something about IWT we can talk..for now you think with your hypothetical PAF superiority you should have made India sign IWT ....and attacked India instead of bleating on X that India is sponsoring Fitraat e hind .
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And you need to comprehend what you're reading.

Hari Singh signed the accession in October 1947 effectively making all of Kashmir part of India. What is known as 'Azaad Kashmir' today was part of that territory which India was never able to get back. India agreed to a ceasefire and recognizes the LOC as a border since Jan 1948.

and this is from Wikipedia - so please read carefully. I don't want to give you another English lesson as it devalues the thread.

Numerous analysts state that the war ended in a stalemate, with neither side obtaining a clear victory. Others, however, state that India emerged victorious as it successfully gained the majority of the contested territory.

Clearly states majority of the territory - not ALL of it. Meaning India conceded Azaad Kashmir to Pakistan.

I know you're going to just keep repeating the same arguments so in future I'll just refer you back to this post.
 
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