"Ireland won because they attacked us throughout the game": Babar Azam

[RidiculousMan]

Australia and England have worst economy rate while defending in the last 2 years. But their scoring rate more than compensates for their weak bowling. Pakistan despite having impressive ER while defending batting is not nearly doing its job. The day pakistan bowling goes missing (like in 2023 world cup) they will be badly exposed in this format.

Team	ER while defending	W/L Ratio	Scoring Rate
Australia	8.64	2	9.87
India	8.14	1.75	9.40
New Zealand	7.73	1.66	8.63
England	8.65	1.50	9.55
South Africa	8.59	1.50	9.49
West Indies	9.04	0.857	9.16
Bangladesh	7.80	0.66	7.69
Sri Lanka	8.49	0.66	8.24
Pakistan	7.66	0.60	7.91

There are experts right now who are saying that Pakistani bowling isn't delivering anymore. During Sarfraz era our batting always scored 160 and our bowlers defended it.

Who will tell these experts that, that was 2017 and today is 2024. There's a huge difference between scoring rate in world cricket. 200 is the new 180.

 

[Croma]

Shadab Khan 4-0-54-0

I didnt watch the game, so this looks like a stand-out stat to me.

 

[jnaveen1980]

There are experts right now who are saying that Pakistani bowling isn't delivering anymore. During Sarfraz era our batting always scored 160 and our bowlers defended it.

Who will tell these experts that, that was 2017 and today is 2024. There's a huge difference between scoring rate in world cricket. 200 is the new 180.

yes Game has evolved. What used to be containing deliveries, wicket taking deliveries have become scoring deliveries. Scooping yorkers behind the keeper was not nearly as prevalent as it is now. Good balls become bad balls these days based on where the batsmen stand. There is no concept of good balls unless it has movement or the pitch is slow or super fast. We saw that in the world cup.

 

[Human786]

Babar Azam after today's humiliating loss came up with following explanation:

"We didn't start well in the first 6 overs; the pitch was a bit two-paced and had some bounce. We recovered well after that and got 182 but I think 190 was a par score. But I think we lost due to the bowling and fielding. We didn't execute our plans and had some sloppy lapses in the field which cost us. We attacked in the first six overs but didn't finish well. I think we were ahead in the first 10 overs but not in the last 10 overs. That's why they won because they attacked us."

Will they practice tomorrow?
"Let's see, let's talk with the coach."

Paul Stirling said, "when you come here, especially from Pakistan, the flattest pitches in the world, ask them to bat first and see what they can get. We were happy to chase 180".

 

[Human786]

Babar & Fakhar batted too slow . Bowlers unable to defend 182 against Ireland says enough about the potency of bowling attack .

 

[Ahmed216]

Shadab Khan 4-0-54-0

I didnt watch the game, so this looks like a stand-out stat to me.

None of fakhar Zaman , Azam khan , shadab are at fault. Every loss in on Babar and Rizwan

 

[emranabbas]

Time to cancel the worldcup for safety reasons
They are going to attack us In the world cup too

Serious issue need to report to the police we are going to get attacked

 

[Energy]

I think Pakistan should stop playing so many series against small or C teams. But that happens because during IPL window there's no Cricket for Pakistani players

That is also one of the issues.

Playing minnow teams and C teams is a curse. These series are meaningless and there's nothing to be gained even if you win. But if you lose, there's everything to lose.

The mediocre mentality of the PCB is downright embarrassing. They allow other countries to fulfill their Pakistan tour commitments by bringing their C teams. And then swiftly hop on the plane to Ireland under the gora mulk inferiority.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Why nobody is addressing the core issue ? Both India and Pak are way behind in terms of skill level required to play T20 cricket. Both lack batting firepower to score 220 consistently regardless of pitch and bowling level. India is bad but Pak batting is worse.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Wow Lord Babar the captain

First ever T20 loss vs Zimbabwe
First ever ODI loss vs Afghanistan
First ever T20 loss vs Ireland

Add the pathetic home test series vs eng, Aus and NZ to list as well, where they did win a single test.

This guy is a fraud captain.

 

[RidiculousMan]

yes Game has evolved. What used to be containing deliveries, wicket taking deliveries have become scoring deliveries. Scooping yorkers behind the keeper was not nearly as prevalent as it is now. Good balls become bad balls these days based on where the batsmen stand. There is no concept of good balls unless it has movement or the pitch is slow or super fast. We saw that in the world cup.

Their batters play reverse scoop. Force shots over cow corner and take sneaky singles and doubles.

Ours have just started playing the scoop shot

 

[Mamoon]

Deluded fans will blame Babar’s captaincy, but the reality is that Pakistan is a rubbish team with zero talent. Clearly one of the world sides in the world and it is not because of captaincy but because of the fact that 99% of the players are rubbish.

Babar was replaced by Shaheen and Shaheen oversaw a 4-1 drubbing in New Zealand.

Babar vs replacement by Masood and he continued the proud tradition of Pakistan getting blanked in Australia and even let them off the hook at 16/4. If that happened under Babar people would want his head on a stick.

You can appoint anyone as captain and the results will be the same because the players are not good enough.

You can discard XYZ players and bring others from domestic cricket and they will be equally pathetic too, and then you will want them to be discarded too for other crap players. This conveyor belt of mediocrity and players with zero talent shall continue.

Pakistani fans must lower their expectations and accept their level. We are just a small team now on par with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, WI, Afghanistan (who are heading in the right direction but we are not) and closer in level to Ireland and Zimbabwe than we are to Australia or India.

 

[MenInG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1789208048294138188

 

[Amjid Javed]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1789208048294138188

Anyone shocked by these comments. Here you have a captain whose only interested in his own performance, as he's star player in side he things he's entitled and untouchable.

So he always feels need to lay the blame everywhere else.

Pakistan are an average side in all formats, but Babars pathetic captaincy over last few years has meant they have played like a bunch of minnows

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan has always been bad in the middle overs. Be it batting or bowling, the team is struggling to control that phase.

 

[Mamoon]

When you have a one track mind you can’t understand the nuisances. Cup competitions are different from bilateral series.

Pakistan will lose 99% of its bilateral series to the top sides but Pakistan can compete well in T20 tournaments like they have in 2021 and 2022 because Pakistan can win one-off games.

This is why bringing Amir and Imad back was a waste of time. Pakistan made the final last time with Babar as captain so unless Pakistan do one better this time, it would mean that Amir and Imad had zero impact on the team.

Also, the presence of Amir and Imad will not help Pakistan win more matches in bilateral series. We are fresh off from a series with NZ D where both Amir and Imad played a part in Pakistan huffing and puffing to a drawn series.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

We lost due to inept captaincy.

The poor batting in the pp and middle phase is a usual theme.

183 was a lot of runs to defend if your tactically astute.

Again only using 5 specialist bowlers when Saim and ifti could of bowled.

Shadab went for 50 odd in 4 was needless.

In tight situations in the world cup the captaincy is going to be crucial.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Deluded fans will blame Babar’s captaincy, but the reality is that Pakistan is a rubbish team with zero talent. Clearly one of the world sides in the world and it is not because of captaincy but because of the fact that 99% of the players are rubbish.

Babar was replaced by Shaheen and Shaheen oversaw a 4-1 drubbing in New Zealand.

Babar vs replacement by Masood and he continued the proud tradition of Pakistan getting blanked in Australia and even let them off the hook at 16/4. If that happened under Babar people would want his head on a stick.

You can appoint anyone as captain and the results will be the same because the players are not good enough.

You can discard XYZ players and bring others from domestic cricket and they will be equally pathetic too, and then you will want them to be discarded too for other crap players. This conveyor belt of mediocrity and players with zero talent shall continue.

Pakistani fans must lower their expectations and accept their level. We are just a small team now on par with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, WI, Afghanistan (who are heading in the right direction but we are not) and closer in level to Ireland and Zimbabwe than we are to Australia or India.

Shan was captaining bowlers on debut like Khuram , Aamir jamal and a one odd test Mir hamza after a long lay off from the test arena.

A big difference compared to having seasoned pro s.

None of these would be first choice starters.

Put things in perspective.

 

[samiakh]

If you continue to play Shadab as a front line bowler you will lose more than win. He is a backup at best a couple of overs if conditions suit, which they did not yesterday. Should have played 4 pacers. Azam needs to be dispensed with. Iftikhar is finisher, Zaman is 4, no room for Azam. Saim, Rizwan, Babar, Zaman, Shadab, Iftikhar, Wasim, Shaheen, Aamir, Naseem/Haris, Abrar/Usama/Abbas (depending on conditions)

That’s the 15 for the WC and options for the playing XI

 

[Shafi]

Will Babar step down if Ireland whitewash us? Most likely not

 

[Shafi]

When you have a one track mind you can’t understand the nuisances. Cup competitions are different from bilateral series.

Pakistan will lose 99% of its bilateral series to the top sides but Pakistan can compete well in T20 tournaments like they have in 2021 and 2022 because Pakistan can win one-off games.

This is why bringing Amir and Imad back was a waste of time. Pakistan made the final last time with Babar as captain so unless Pakistan do one better this time, it would mean that Amir and Imad had zero impact on the team.

Also, the presence of Amir and Imad will not help Pakistan win more matches in bilateral series. We are fresh off from a series with NZ D where both Amir and Imad played a part in Pakistan huffing and puffing to a drawn series.

And how your Babar performs most of the match.
When Babar is your captain, You should make a nameplate "We Deserve this Humiliation"

 

[ask_analyse_act]

The team defenitely needs a rebuild but the cupboard is so bare. I think we may need to wait another 10 years for more players to emerge and just put up with this.

They have players in the cupboard but jus dont thrive inside the dirty friendship culture that keeps them out of favour

You can see how they plucked out Hasan ali from nowhere to the squad. Azam khan without any performance , has played so many games he cant score against anyone bowling attack in intl cricket seems like... This management and team are behind such 1 six wonder players, if taken his track record both domestic and intl cricket will tell you the story.. Has played 8 inns so far and his highest score is 10 runs, speaks volume about this fatso...

Ifthikar and Asif ali are very prime example of those players who go in for every series and game without winning any matches or scoring 50s or 100s.. The reason given was they only get to play 10 - 20 balls, waht can they do.. Well in T20 expectation should be how much can they score in 20 balls how many boundaries can be scored that will benefit the team.. These men are 1 six wonders from gully mohalla cricket but playing intl cricket..

 

[Shafi]

I would blame incompetent Naqvi for all this mess. First he reappointed Babar Captain (Zaka's only good work to get rid of Babar), army training....
I just wish Kristen and Gillepsie withdraw themselves coaching us. Even Uganda and Ireland have better potential if they have Kristen/Giilepsie

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Sarfaraz held a record for most consecutive series wins. Was unfair to sach him just after 1 series loss.

Misbah the man who did the sacking of sarfraz and Mickey from nowhere, and brought them to zero again..

I even heard that he suggested Fakhar to play at no.4 in middle order and he will score more runs... This crazy guy been celebrated as the best cricket brain in Pakistan lol

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I would blame incompetent Naqvi for all this mess. First he reappointed Babar Captain (Zaka's only good work to get rid of Babar), army training....
I just wish Kristen and Gillepsie withdraw themselves coaching us. Even Uganda and Ireland have better potential if they have Kristen/Giilepsie

Only hope is that Kirsten and Gillespie to transform this side into a performing unit, if they are given the time and promises to give them a free hand...

Otherwise this team under Babar goes nowhere, stupid guy comes out and says Ireland attacked them... please stfp Babar.. He has got Shaheen , Naseem and even Amir is back in the line up .. Abbas and Haris are no joke bowlers...

From the days where Pak had Anwar ali and bilawal bhatti as their pacers to now losing with premiere fast bowlers..

 

[Shafi]

Deluded fans will blame Babar’s captaincy, but the reality is that Pakistan is a rubbish team with zero talent. Clearly one of the world sides in the world and it is not because of captaincy but because of the fact that 99% of the players are rubbish.

Babar was replaced by Shaheen and Shaheen oversaw a 4-1 drubbing in New Zealand.

Babar vs replacement by Masood and he continued the proud tradition of Pakistan getting blanked in Australia and even let them off the hook at 16/4. If that happened under Babar people would want his head on a stick.

You can appoint anyone as captain and the results will be the same because the players are not good enough.

You can discard XYZ players and bring others from domestic cricket and they will be equally pathetic too, and then you will want them to be discarded too for other crap players. This conveyor belt of mediocrity and players with zero talent shall continue.

Pakistani fans must lower their expectations and accept their level. We are just a small team now on par with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, WI, Afghanistan (who are heading in the right direction but we are not) and closer in level to Ireland and Zimbabwe than we are to Australia or India.

By your logic Pakistan Government should abolish PCB. instead reclining same old rubbish again and again why can't they completely revamp the whole system and get rid of those useless failure. What worse can happen? All out under 50 against Uganda, USA, and under 20 against India/Aus/NZ/Eng?
Get good 2nd tier professional and hard working coaches from Eng/Aus to work with our U13 players and get rid of fake coaches like Basit/Razzak/Ijaz...
You will see big difference in 10-15 years once players come with basic skill with professionalism and selection based on merit.

 

[Shafi]

Only hope is that Kirsten and Gillespie to transform this side into a performing unit, if they are given the time and promises to give them a free hand...

Otherwise this team under Babar goes nowhere, stupid guy comes out and says Ireland attacked them... please stfp Babar.. He has got Shaheen , Naseem and even Amir is back in the line up .. Abbas and Haris are no joke bowlers...

From the days where Pak had Anwar ali and bilawal bhatti as their pacers to now losing with premiere fast bowlers..

True!!! But they will be sacked after World Cup to save face of Babar and Naqvi. Babar has seriously deep connection from all political parties.

 

[Master Blaster]

Misbah the man who did the sacking of sarfraz and Mickey from nowhere, and brought them to zero again..

I even heard that he suggested Fakhar to play at no.4 in middle order and he will score more runs... This crazy guy been celebrated as the best cricket brain in Pakistan lol

Misbah ul haq has been to Pakistan cricket what Zia ul haq has been to Pakistan as a nation.


Btw Ireland won because they played positive cricket throughout the match focusing more on winning the game. Their job of looking for a win was made easy because a certain GOAT was chasing individual glory.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sarfaraz held a record for most consecutive series wins. Was unfair to sach him just after 1 series loss.

That 1 series lost happened because Misbah the baboon decided to

A) Bring shehzad and akmal back out of the blue for no reason.

B) Make Imam ul haq an opener as well.

C) Bring khsydil shah, chacha and have asif ali come back even though sarfraz had permanently dropped asif for good.

And in the subsequent series he decided to bring in MUHAMMAD IRFAN against Australia.

I'm tired of people acting like that loss happened because of sarfraz. Side was ranked no 1, what was the reason to tinker with it?

A no 1 side chooses 1 or 2 replacements and experiments here and their.

Which moron coach decides to CHANGE THE ENGIRE OPENING, MIDDLE AND LOWER ORDER AND BOWLING AMD THE ENTIRE PLAYING 11?

 

[FearlessRoar]

Canada and the USA will win against us for the same reason,they will attack us with the ball too, and you will score fifty to hide behind your selfish innings

 

[mominsaigol]

There are experts right now who are saying that Pakistani bowling isn't delivering anymore. During Sarfraz era our batting always scored 160 and our bowlers defended it.

Who will tell these experts that, that was 2017 and today is 2024. There's a huge difference between scoring rate in world cricket. 200 is the new 180.

In 2017 England and South Africa were still bazzballing to 400 scores in odi and 200 scores in t20.

Heck so was India which had been doing it for a long long long time ever since Hitman rohit came on the scene and rohit was in the prime of his life unlike today where due to age he's now more of a PP utiliser.

The landscape didn't change in the 7+ years.

The landscape started to change since 2010 ever since t20 became more mainstream and people like Warner started opening for Australia, followed by rohit, brendon mcullum, quinton de kock, etc etc.

These ba/riz excuses need to end.

Posts from the Misbah era were saying the same thing, aka people need to realise afridi era in 2011 was different lol.

 

[mominsaigol]

Canada and the USA will win against us for the same reason,they will attack us with the ball too, and you will score fifty to hide behind your selfish innings

Canada and USA will lose if they bat first.

If they chase they'll win 100%. Pakistan has no clue how to structure a batting innings without a goal being set. And their bowlers can't defend anything.

Only chance of winning games is batting 2nd and batting out of your bloody skins at that.

 

[Shafi]

Highly unlikely We will manage to move 2nd round. Forget about semifinal. Our players just don't have it.
PCB should abolish fail project like Women's cricket first and use that money improve domestic structure with professional Batting/bowling/fielding coaches no local (BIASED) anymore. It should start from school/U-13 cricket. Otherwise Government should abolish men's cricket as well.

 

[emranabbas]

We lost due to inept captaincy.

The poor batting in the pp and middle phase is a usual theme.

183 was a lot of runs to defend if your tactically astute.

Again only using 5 specialist bowlers when Saim and ifti could of bowled.

Shadab went for 50 odd in 4 was needless.

In tight situations in the world cup the captaincy is going to be crucial.

Babar is a very shrewed person he's just has an innocent face.

It's always about stats and personal milestones for Babar

When wickets are coming Babar will only give the ball to his favourites shaheen shadab and naseem

I've been noticing this stuff since the newzealand series after breakthroughs you won't see the ball in the hands of imad saim or amir just incase they get a wicket or 2

Yesterday it backfired with shadab and he ended up with a phainty

 

[mominsaigol]

Highly unlikely We will manage to move 2nd round. Forget about semifinal. Our players just don't have it.
PCB should abolish fail project like Women's cricket first and use that money improve domestic structure with professional Batting/bowling/fielding coaches no local (BIASED) anymore. It should start from school/U-13 cricket. Otherwise Government should abolish men's cricket as well.

PCB is the 4th richest board paid by ICC. Infact it is the richest board excluding the big 3 of aus, India and England.

Pcb: 55M

NZ: 9M

Amount Money doesn't seem to be an issue, it's where that money is going. That's the issue.

 

[Shafi]

PCB is the 4th richest board paid by ICC. Infact it is the richest board excluding the big 3 of aus, India and England.

Pcb: 55M

NZ: 9M

Amount Money doesn't seem to be an issue, it's where that money is going. That's the issue.

Exactly!!! when people like Naqvi/ Zaka/ Seth is our PCB boss nothing good expected so as our formers like miandad/Ramiz...... still same issue. Looks like we need a foreigner to be our selector along with PCB boss

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Babar is a very shrewed person he's just has an innocent face.

It's always about stats and personal milestones for Babar

When wickets are coming Babar will only give the ball to his favourites shaheen shadab and naseem

I've been noticing this stuff since the newzealand series after breakthroughs you won't see the ball in the hands of imad saim or amir just incase they get a wicket or 2

Yesterday it backfired with shadab and he ended up with a phainty

The theme of sticking to specialist bowlers was during his first stint as well.

During the PSL Sammy was instrumental in giving Saim the new ball as it was something different and unexpected and thinking outside the box and being inventive which is what T20 cricket is all about.

I cannot understand how the likes of Azhar and Wahab couldn't see past 5 options and send a message if the captain couldn't figure it out especially when someone is having an off day.

We have never had a Class, tactically astute captain since the .

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

PCB is the 4th richest board paid by ICC. Infact it is the richest board excluding the big 3 of aus, India and England.

Pcb: 55M

NZ: 9M

Amount Money doesn't seem to be an issue, it's where that money is going. That's the issue.

One word. Corruption.

 

[VForVendetta]

The theme of sticking to specialist bowlers was during his first stint as well.

During the PSL Sammy was instrumental in giving Saim the new ball as it was something different and unexpected and thinking outside the box and being inventive which is what T20 cricket is all about.

I cannot understand how the likes of Azhar and Wahab couldn't see past 5 options and send a message if the captain couldn't figure it out especially when someone is having an off day.

We have never had a Class, tactically astute captain since the .

Wasim was. Sure he was controversial & corrupt, but the man was without a shadow of a doubt an excellent tactician, someone who knew how to get the best from the boys. Younus too had a great mind, unfortunately a certain close relative of Imran had other ideas.

 

[Misia]

Shadab Khan 4-0-54-0

I didn't watch the game, so this looks like a stand-out stat to me.

Exactly, why did Shadab need to bowl out his full quota,
Why was Ifti not utilized
Worst case Saim can bowl n over or two

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Exactly, why did Shadab need to bowl out his full quota,
Why was Ifti not utilized
Worst case Saim can bowl n over or two

Poor captaincy costed us the match.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Wasim was. Sure he was controversial & corrupt, but the man was without a shadow of a doubt an excellent tactician, someone who knew how to get the best from the boys. Younus too had a great mind, unfortunately a certain close relative of Imran had other ideas.

He was a good captain but not elite class.

A great captain makes bang average to good players look good by using them at the most opportune moment.

The 90s was an era where we were producing talent after talent so it was more about controlling ego s which no one bar probably to some extent Salim malik managed.

 

[aukhan]

Wasim was. Sure he was controversial & corrupt, but the man was without a shadow of a doubt an excellent tactician, someone who knew how to get the best from the boys. Younus too had a great mind, unfortunately a certain close relative of Imran had other ideas.

What's the story?