Irfan Pathan under attack on social media for this tweet - Madness or justified?

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kuch to log kahenge logo ka kaam hai kehna but always <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/love?src=hash">#love</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/travel?src=hash">#travel</a> <a href="https://t.co/aERzXr0g2j">pic.twitter.com/aERzXr0g2j</a></p>— Irfan Pathan (@IrfanPathan) <a href="https://twitter.com/IrfanPathan/status/886936492290883585">July 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Asim_khan]

There's some seriously insecure men around.

 

[SandyB]

This mullah/deen brigade is a blot on the multiculturalism and unique Identity of Indian muslims. They give really good ammunition to the sangh's attempts to paint all muslims as backwards radicalists as well !

Not a day goes by when a muslim girl on social media isn't attacked by some "pious" brother so damn eager to ensure she reaches heaven ! And i'm from one of the Indian states with the most educated Muslim communities in the country !

Why can't people let others be ?

Mind your own self, or at most your immediate family .. Why pick on every damn human being online ?

 

[Slog]

whats wrong? is there a picture with the tweet which isnt loading for me?

 

[www787]

Ma Shaa' Allah. May Allah keep them both happy and healthy together.

 

[LastManstanding]

whats wrong? is there a picture with the tweet which isnt loading for me?

Yes, theres a picture of Irfan with his wife which some pious muslims found 'unislamic' and mocked Irfan for being a Pathan and still failing to ask his wife cover her face and arms and also for allowing her to wear nail polish.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This millennial generation is always angry, always outraged and always seeking a target to project their frustration upon. Twitter is their battlefield, pop artists their gods, binge watching their happiness, shopping their therapy and social media approval their success. No generation has spent so much time recording and tagging about their worthless lives and opinions than these monkeys, who will face an existential crisis if the celebrities close their social media accounts. Easily the worst generation to walk on this planet.

 

[PakLFC]

It is no one else's business as to how any Muslim lady dresses. If her husband is okay with it then it is all that matters. Those having a go at her are only exposing their own insecurity.

 

[Stewie]

Why are Indian Muslims so radicalized. You don't see such stuff when Pakistani players or celebrities post pictures unless they are really really bad ala late qandeel baloch...

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Yes, theres a picture of Irfan with his wife which some pious muslims found 'unislamic' and mocked Irfan for being a Pathan and still failing to ask his wife cover her face and arms and also for allowing her to wear nail polish.

Are you serious?...... lost for words.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am no expert in islamic laws.But what laws are broken here?

From the comments on FB i gather that her hands and face should be fully covered. I am sure i read here on PP that doing only hijab is totally fine in islam? [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] your opinion.

Also why nail polish is wrong?

 

[Stewie]

I am no expert in islamic laws.But what laws are broken here?

From the comments on FB i gather that her hands and face should be fully covered. I am sure i read here on PP that doing only hijab is totally fine in islam? [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] your opinion.

Also why nail polish is wrong?

There are some archaic laws or interpretation that a woman is not allowed to show her hands, face, hair etc, only eyes and they are not supposed to wear make up, nail paint, and all that stuff. They cannot leave the house without being accompanied by man/men who are immediate relations, such as husband, brother, father, son, etc

Basically this is the most strict wahhabi interpretation in force in Saudi Arabia, where women can't even drive and some idiots in Pakistan and seems like quite a few in India seem to subscribe to them. You see such stuff not even in villages in Pakistan where women are free to roam without hijab and stuff. I don't understand why some people intelligent enough to be in social media still adhere to this ancient interpretation of the laws.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There are some archaic laws or interpretation that a woman is not allowed to show her hands, face, hair etc, only eyes and they are not supposed to wear make up, nail paint, and all that stuff. They cannot leave the house without being accompanied by man/men who are immediate relations, such as husband, brother, father, son, etc

Basically this is the most strict wahhabi interpretation in force in Saudi Arabia, where women can't even drive and some idiots in Pakistan and seems like quite a few in India seem to subscribe to them. You see such stuff not even in villages in Pakistan where women are free to roam without hijab and stuff. I don't understand why some people intelligent enough to be in social media still adhere to this ancient interpretation of the laws.

Thanks.Thats what i thought.My muslim female friends or relatives of male friends would at the most do hijab.Some wore jeans t shirt while some wore salwar kameez never heard this cover full hands thing.Knew about covering the head.

Was there nail paint and make up in the times of the Prophet (pbuh)?

Is it not possible that the outfits of the times of prophet(pbuh) in were more due to the windy dusty dry hot enviroment?

Did the wives daughters and sisters of the prophet (pbuh) wear full burkha?I have read that one of the wives ran her own business?

Dont be offended i mean Islam no disrespect but these medieval rules of wahabbism in Islam is doing Islam more harm than anyone.Islam should be what the prophet (pbuh) taught it to be not how some nut job interprets it 1500yrs after.

 

[Stewie]

Thanks.Thats what i thought.My muslim female friends or relatives of male friends would at the most do hijab.Some wore jeans t shirt while some wore salwar kameez never heard this cover full hands thing.Knew about covering the head.

Was there nail paint and make up in the times of the Prophet (pbuh)?

Is it not possible that the outfits of the times of prophet(pbuh) in were more due to the windy dusty dry hot enviroment?

Did the wives daughters and sisters of the prophet (pbuh) wear full burkha?I have read that one of the wives ran her own business?

Dont be offended i mean Islam no disrespect but these medieval rules of wahabbism in Islam is doing Islam more harm than anyone.Islam should be what the prophet (pbuh) taught it to be not how some nut job interprets it 1500yrs after.

There is one general and extreme interpretation that women should not alter their natural appearance. So that applies on all makeup and whatnot. I am not qualified to say what went on during the time of the holy prophet but you can runs your own business while adhering to even such extreme restrictions. I don't see how that can't be done.

My personal take is that during those days there was not much in the way of law. Rapes and thievery and murders in a tribal society were rampant. These laws were put in place for the protection of general public (women in particular).... stealing meant you get your hand cut off, etc etc.

So for that era, I think it all makes sense but in today's world where we have laws and authorities to enforce those laws and mankind has progressed so much in the last 1400 years or so, there should be a modern official implementation.
Unofficially speaking it's not a crime in most Muslim countries for women to drive, wear jeans, do fashion, makeup, etc... you only see this sort of stuff in Saudi Arabia and a few other states.

 

[kaayal]

I am no expert in islamic laws.But what laws are broken here?

From the comments on FB i gather that her hands and face should be fully covered. I am sure i read here on PP that doing only hijab is totally fine in islam? [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] your opinion.

Also why nail polish is wrong?

I don't think she broke any law here. She is wearing an abaya which usually covers your forearm till wrist. Here the sleeve is a bit loose that's why when you flex your forearm it glides down. Covering face is not mandatory in Islam. About nail polish, there is no any such ruling but it is believed that the nail polish creates a waterproof barrier which prevents the wudu from being completed. And we need to take wudu before each namaz and hence 5 times a day. Some of them still wear it when they are menstruating. Since they don't need to do namaz at that period.....

Personally i don't like anything that blocks the normal pink of my nails. Be it nail polish or henna. I hate it.

 

[Square Drive]

[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] is spot on. Said it perfectly.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I think it is unfair muslim women are subject to covering themselves, I think Muslim men should do the same....

 

[kaayal]

I think it is unfair muslim women are subject to covering themselves, I think Muslim men should do the same....

Are we doing any harm to you by covering ourselves up?? Don't you think it's "we" who should decide what we should/shouldn't wear???

Tbh, It's your thinking that need to be changed not our dress.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Are we doing any harm to you by covering ourselves up?? Don't you think it's "we" who should decide what we should/shouldn't wear???

Tbh, It's your thinking that need to be changed not our dress.

Ummm, what in the world are you talking about ? I see the 'victim' mentality coming out, I indicated in my previous post that, it should not be only muslim women who are subject to covering themselves but it should apply to muslim males also.... I do not care what you wear, however I do not see any harm in making a suggestion..

 

[kaayal]

Ummm, what in the world are you talking about ? I see the 'victim' mentality coming out, I indicated in my previous post that, it should not be only muslim women who are subject to covering themselves but it should apply to muslim males also.... I do not care what you wear, however I do not see any harm in making a suggestion..

No your post "women are subjected to cover them" was implying that they are forced to do this by some one say her family. I was saying that it's not the case and it's our own choice.

There is no harm in suggesting anything. But some ignorant comments needs to be corrected too.

 

[Romali_rotti]

No your post "women are subjected to cover them" was implying that they are forced to do this by some one say her family. I was saying that it's not the case and it's our own choice.

There is no harm in suggesting anything. But some ignorant comments needs to be corrected too.

Ok fair enuff. But women are subjected to cover themselves also in certain muslim communities, so it is not like I was 100% inaccurate either....

 

[Specialisttailender]

Why are Indian Muslims so radicalized. You don't see such stuff when Pakistani players or celebrities post pictures unless they are really really bad ala late qandeel baloch...

The elder Indian muslim folks started questioning the current young Indian muslims' love for Islam. This has resulted in the uprising of fake patriotism like situation among some Indian muslims.

 

[LastManstanding]

No your post "women are subjected to cover them" was implying that they are forced to do this by some one say her family. I was saying that it's not the case and it's our own choice.

There is no harm in suggesting anything. But some ignorant comments needs to be corrected too.

Going by the comments directed at Irfan's wife, it wont be wrong to assume that these men would force the women in their house to cover themselves up.

 

[TM Riddle]

I like hijab.Women look nice in it.

 

[kaayal]

Ok fair enuff. But women are subjected to cover themselves also in certain muslim communities, so it is not like I was 100% inaccurate either....

But that really counts for a small minority tbh. Majority like what they wear. Their grievances should be addressed too but not like this blanket attack on abayas or hijabs...

Again i am not accusing you but said this generally..

 

[kaayal]

[MENTION=139682]LastManstanding[/MENTION] Did you ask the woman in their family to come up to this conclusion? It's not always the truth that you see online.

 

[IAJ]

I am no expert in islamic laws.But what laws are broken here?

From the comments on FB i gather that her hands and face should be fully covered. I am sure i read here on PP that doing only hijab is totally fine in islam? [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] your opinion.

Also why nail polish is wrong?

What I have learned is that showing face and hands down to where wrists (kalaian) start are permitted, this is according to Hanafi fiqh I believe?

 

[LastManstanding]

[MENTION=139682]LastManstanding[/MENTION] Did you ask the woman in their family to come up to this conclusion? It's not always the truth that you see online.

Have you met every muslim women in India to come to the conclusion that it isnt forced on any one of them?

 

[kaayal]

Have you met every muslim women in India to come to the conclusion that it isnt forced on any one of them?

Nope but i have interacted with a lot more than you for sure. I am one and wear it both.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

These people (who are attacking Irfan here) have nothing better to do in their lives.

Live and let live, for Lord's sake.

 

[SandyB]

[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]

I'm not questioning your freedom to adhere to religious dress codes or anything, but these instances are happening far too regularly in our country these days.

Huge amount of vitriol is directed frequently at Zoha Ali Khan and Sania Mirza.

Come down to our home state (which till the 90's had movements, fighting for more freedom for Islamic women), now has actresses (Ansiba, Nazriya), TV personalities and even women politicians being attacked for their dress code or even showing their face !.

I'm certainly not happy with that .

 

[CricketCartoons]

Come down to our home state (which till the 90's had movements, fighting for more freedom for Islamic women), now has actresses (Ansiba, Nazriya), TV personalities and even women politicians being attacked for their dress code or even showing their face !.

I'm certainly not happy with that .

Kerala has gone to the dogs now. Expect major instability in that region in the near future.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't think she broke any law here. She is wearing an abaya which usually covers your forearm till wrist. Here the sleeve is a bit loose that's why when you flex your forearm it glides down. Covering face is not mandatory in Islam. About nail polish, there is no any such ruling but it is believed that the nail polish creates a waterproof barrier which prevents the wudu from being completed. And we need to take wudu before each namaz and hence 5 times a day. Some of them still wear it when they are menstruating. Since they don't need to do namaz at that period.....

Personally i don't like anything that blocks the normal pink of my nails. Be it nail polish or henna. I hate it.

If you dont mind,and please dont take it otherwise,what do you normally wear?In your work place or when you are out and about with friends?

Is covering hands mandatory?

Also if the nail polish creates a waterproof barrier then that barrier also stops the unclean part to be exposed and the exposed part is the nail polish layer and it is clean.It all depends on common sense i believe and personal preference.

What Safa Baig wears is Safa Baigs choice no one should be telling her.

PS:Joined a hospital full time last week.

 

[kaayal]

[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]

I'm not questioning your freedom to adhere to religious dress codes or anything, but these instances are happening far too regularly in our country these days.

Huge amount of vitriol is directed frequently at Zoha Ali Khan and Sania Mirza.

Come down to our home state (which till the 90's had movements, fighting for more freedom for Islamic women), now has actresses (Ansiba, Nazriya), TV personalities and even women politicians being attacked for their dress code or even showing their face !.

I'm certainly not happy with that .

Don't get me wrong bro. I never supported this cyber bullying ever. Neither I think that these actresses really care about these jobless people commenting about their attire or anything. And that's how it should be too.

 

[kaayal]

If you dont mind,and please dont take it otherwise,what do you normally wear?In your work place or when you are out and about with friends?

Is covering hands mandatory?

Also if the nail polish creates a waterproof barrier then that barrier also stops the unclean part to be exposed and the exposed part is the nail polish layer and it is clean.It all depends on common sense i believe and personal preference.

What Safa Baig wears is Safa Baigs choice no one should be telling her.

PS:Joined a hospital full time last week.

Ok. I will use some google pictures for this.

At work,


At family functions,


When i go to masjid especially for the taraweeh during Ramzaan, to grocery shop etc basically when you need to go suddenly for something abaya is helpful. I can wear jeans or any dress i am wearing at home inside it.


The only time i basically need to roll up my sleeves was during dissection, taking labour and in OT.

 

[CricketCartoons]

[MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] The situation in Kerala is alarming, and this is based on official data. Is the famed secularism of Kerala soon going to be dead?

 

[90MPH]

Social media is full of idiots.

There are too many fakes and clowns on it. Maybe he will learn not to post such photos when it gets a certain type of reaction.

Even here on this thread there is a generalisation view of something many really don't know.

 

[King-Misbah]

People need to mind their own business. There is nothing wrong with her dress.

 

[Zahid87]

People are missing the point.

Even if it can be argued that a certain type of dress code is prescribed or recommended within Islam, Irfan Pathan's wife has the right to wear what she wants.

Irfan Pathan should not have the right to force his wife to dress a certain way, neither should his wife have to do so for any other reason. She should be free to wear whatever she wants, and idiots online should keep their judgement/opinions to themselves.

Religion is a sacred and beautiful thing, and should not be used in a manner to judge or shame others.

 

[LastManstanding]

Nope but i have interacted with a lot more than you for sure. I am one and wear it both.

Unless you have interacted with every Muslim woman in India, your point doesn't stand.

 

[TM Riddle]

I think it's similar to purdah system in my community.While the older women in villages still maintain and support this archaic practice , its slowly fading away and one hardly see anyone from big cities following it.
Think brainwashing since childhood plays an important role.For instance I would love to have my wife wear the traditional attire at home as having seen my mother and other ladies in it while growing up in a village , I have been conditioned and led to hold it in high regards with it being an integral part of my culture and all that .But knowing her(my girlfriend) I highly doubt she would ever agree to that sort of thing.So Salwar kurta at family functions for her.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I repeat If there is more love than hate I think we are doing alright. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/spreadlove?src=hash">#spreadlove</a> <a href="https://t.co/oEHsXqkEI4">pic.twitter.com/oEHsXqkEI4</a></p>— Irfan Pathan (@IrfanPathan) <a href="https://twitter.com/IrfanPathan/status/887652572248539136">July 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Musakhel]

Looks like Irfans losing his hair.

 

[JaDed]

China killed religion first,went after illiteracy and now have almost done well against poverty,inspiration to the subcontinent.

Religion Illiteracy Poverty ,the combination kills,what is sad probably is that the ones commenting are defn neither poor nor illiterate but still

 

[IAJ]

Looks like Irfans losing his hair.

Looks more like he has gained some

 

[Heisenberg]

Are we doing any harm to you by covering ourselves up?? Don't you think it's "we" who should decide what we should/shouldn't wear???

Tbh, It's your thinking that need to be changed not our dress.

I'm not sure where you are from but many girls/women are forced to wear it by their families. Let's be real here.

 

[Stewie]

China killed religion first,went after illiteracy and now have almost done well against poverty,inspiration to the subcontinent.

Religion Illiteracy Poverty ,the combination kills,what is sad probably is that the ones commenting are defn neither poor nor illiterate but still

China is a communist country which suppresses free thought and religious freedom. You may think religion is bad but others don't. Does that mean you will rule with an ironfist and outlaw religion?

And who says poverty has been eradicated in china? There are still poor people killing themselves there

 

[Stewie]

I'm not sure where you are from but many girls/women are forced to wear it by their families. Let's be real here.

I'm not a big advocate of hijab, but I know a lot of educated women do it by choice. Don't think it's any of your business to tell them NOT to do it.

It's ok to have a negative opinion of those who criticize women for not adhering to some religious law that may seem out of place, but it's not ok to criticize a woman for following the said law out of personal choice. Live and let live.

 

[Heisenberg]

I'm not a big advocate of hijab, but I know a lot of educated women do it by choice. Don't think it's any of your business to tell them NOT to do it.

It's ok to have a negative opinion of those who criticize women for not adhering to some religious law that may seem out of place, but it's not ok to criticize a woman for following the said law out of personal choice. Live and let live.

Not sure where I've told anyone what to do.

She said 'we', and assuming she means every woman who wears a hijab, I am just telling her that not all women wear it by choice.

 

[JaDed]

China is a communist country which suppresses free thought and religious freedom. You may think religion is bad but others don't. Does that mean you will rule with an ironfist and outlaw religion?

And who says poverty has been eradicated in china? There are still poor people killing themselves there

It has handled poverty very well for the population,its on its way to eradicate it,countries like India,Pakistan,Bangladesh at the rate we are going won't be able to do either.

Freedom and democracy are good when the population density isn't that high and country has huge resources,otherwise its better to force education,laws and ban religion.

 

[Adil_94]

so nail varnished hands are alluring for these people now. Seriously why are guys like this on social media surely theres too much sin and temptation for them online. It would be funny to see how many of these guys ogle non muslim bollywood actresses and hollywood ones but suddenly they become the morality police when it comes to Muslim women because they have to defend the Ummah from some perceived dishonour. female Muslim celebrities and female media personalities get a lot of vitriol from these idiots if they step out of the box.

But this picture is literally just some nail varnished hands and a bit of arm hardly a nude now is it. Definitely these guys will be some Indian Deobandi or Wahhabi fundamentalists. Who think only acceptable dress for Muslim women is niqab and abaya and even them taking pictures is haram because that is just too much temptation for them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

People are missing the point.

Even if it can be argued that a certain type of dress code is prescribed or recommended within Islam, Irfan Pathan's wife has the right to wear what she wants.

Irfan Pathan should not have the right to force his wife to dress a certain way, neither should his wife have to do so for any other reason. She should be free to wear whatever she wants, and idiots online should keep their judgement/opinions to themselves.

Religion is a sacred and beautiful thing, and should not be used in a manner to judge or shame others.

I think you are missing the point. If everyone kept their opinion to themselves, what would happen to social media? It would die a death and twitter and facebook would be finished. Even these forums depend on people sharing opinions, sometimes useful, sometimes idiotic, mostly faux outrage. This is the world we live in, might as well get on with it. Irfan seems to be playing the game quite nicely, same as our gay marriage Muslim guy from the UK.

 

[Varun]

Well, call me naive but she looks very covered up already. Can't believe some turnips are protesting that she is exposing too much skin, but that's how they roll these days eh?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well, call me naive but she looks very covered up already. Can't believe some turnips are protesting that she is exposing too much skin, but that's how they roll these days eh?

How much skin is too much is a subjective opinion. I can understand if someone thinks the red nail polish is provocative and the forearms look naked.