Irfan Pathan's stand on Israeli atrocities against Palestinians

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you have even slightest of humanity you will not support what’s happening in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Palestine?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Palestine</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaveHumanity?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SaveHumanity</a></p>— Irfan Pathan (@IrfanPathan) <a href="https://twitter.com/IrfanPathan/status/1391893697101393920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All My tweets are either 4 humanity or countrymen, from a point of view of a guy who has represented India at d highest level. On d contrary counters I get from ppl like Kangna who’s account get dismissed by spreading hate n some other paid accounts are only about hate. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/planned?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#planned</a></p>— Irfan Pathan (@IrfanPathan) <a href="https://twitter.com/IrfanPathan/status/1392690590278569985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

Impressed by his stand - although one does wish he said same about Kashmir. However, the same argument can be put back on us about Chinese atrocities....

 

[MenInG]

Impressed by his stand - although one does wish he said same about Kashmir. However, the same argument can be put back on us about Chinese atrocities....

Looking at replies, he is now getting some unwelcome attention for his views.

 

[El Generico]

Looking at replies, he is now getting some unwelcome attention for his views.

Indian social media has always been overwhelmingly pro-Israel or Pro-anyone who attacks Muslims so the replies to Pathan are no surprise.

 

[Saj]

Ah yes the social media/keyboard warriors hate brigade out in force once again.

These people have got nothing better to do other than spread hate and spout rubbish on the internet/social media.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Good on him

 

[Mamoon]

And what does Irfan Pathan, like thousands of other social media defenders of Palestine, wish to achieve with hashtags and retweets?

The Jews/Israelis are the most brilliant people on earth. The Muslim world have zero contribution to science & technology since the end of Islamic golden age circa 1400s.

The reality is that we Muslims cannot touch them.

Those who say that it is important to raise awareness. Okay, but for whom? The Muslim states that matter such as KSA and UAE (not the ones “showing eyes” to Israel while surviving on loans and handouts) do not care about the Palestinian cause because Israel is where money is.

Supporting the Palestinians does no good to anyone.

The Palestinians are short on number. They need every man they can get. Instead of waging war against on the Internet, perhaps Irfan Pathan and other online warriors should go to Palestine and join their Palestine brothers in throwing rocks and bricks at one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world.

This social media jihad against Israel does not help the Palestinians and does not hurt the Israelis one bit.

 

[gazza619]

And what does Irfan Pathan, like thousands of other social media defenders of Palestine, wish to achieve with hashtags and retweets?

The Jews/Israelis are the most brilliant people on earth. The Muslim world have zero contribution to science & technology since the end of Islamic golden age circa 1400s.

The reality is that we Muslims cannot touch them.

Those who say that it is important to raise awareness. Okay, but for whom? The Muslim states that matter such as KSA and UAE (not the ones “showing eyes” to Israel while surviving on loans and handouts) do not care about the Palestinian cause because Israel is where money is.

Supporting the Palestinians does no good to anyone.

The Palestinians are short on number. They need every man they can get. Instead of waging war against on the Internet, perhaps Irfan Pathan and other online warriors should go to Palestine and join their Palestine brothers in throwing rocks and bricks at one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world.

This social media jihad against Israel does not help the Palestinians and does not hurt the Israelis one bit.

Dont you also not wage war on the internet?

Your post has left a very bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Mamoon]

Dont you also not wage war on the internet?

Your post has left a very bad taste in my mouth.

Wage war against whom? I have said many times I do not support Palestine or Israel. I have no concern for this conflict because I have no connection with either country.

I am a mere spectator and I chuckle when I see the Muslim world taking on a state that is several notches above them in intelligence and technological advancement.

I also chuckle when I see the Muslim public implore their governments to take action against Israel when their governments have already shown, explicitly and implicitly, that they are on Israel’s side because Israel is where money is.

The greatest chuckle that I get is when I see my fellow countrymen showing aggression against Israel over the Internet.

Here is the reality - we cannot touch Israel for multiple reasons.

We are living on handouts and loans, all our Ghauris, Ghaznavis, Baburs and other missiles that we have named after foreign invaders and plunderers cannot even breach the Israeli airspace. We simply don’t have ten technology to fight Israel.

Moreover, Daddy China has billions of dollars trade with Israel, and if we ever decide to do something practical against Israel, one phone call from Beijing would be sufficient to knock us back in our senses.

 

[Mamoon]

And the Muslim ummah is not fooling anyone by labeling this a humanitarian issue.

The reality is that Muslim care about this conflict ONLY because Palestinians (Muslims) are on the receiving end.

If the roles were reversed and the Jews were getting squashed, they wouldn’t care.

There is no need to pretend that we are humanitarians.

Our humanity starts and ends with Muslims, and in Pakistan’s case, Muslims excluding those in Xinjiang, China and Shia Muslims in Pakistan.

 

[Tubs]

And the Muslim ummah is not fooling anyone by labeling this a humanitarian issue.

The reality is that Muslim care about this conflict ONLY because Palestinians (Muslims) are on the receiving end.

If the roles were reversed and the Jews were getting squashed, they wouldn’t care.

There is no need to pretend that we are humanitarians.

Our humanity starts and ends with Muslims, and in Pakistan’s case, Muslims excluding those in Xinjiang, China and Shia Muslims in Pakistan.

Agreed. I sympathise with Palestine despite the fact that people like me could be dealt capital punishment for apostasy. I sympathise with Yemen despite apostasy being punishable by death. Tribalism occurs everywhere, but Muslims take it to a new level. The ummah is long dead. Let's not forget that Palestine support India in the Kashmir conflict.

 

[El Generico]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

Dude we get it , you think Muslims are lesser beings that deserve to be wiped out by Israel, why not just paste that in your signature

 

[Bewal Express]

And what does Irfan Pathan, like thousands of other social media defenders of Palestine, wish to achieve with hashtags and retweets?

The Jews/Israelis are the most brilliant people on earth. The Muslim world have zero contribution to science & technology since the end of Islamic golden age circa 1400s.

The reality is that we Muslims cannot touch them.

Those who say that it is important to raise awareness. Okay, but for whom? The Muslim states that matter such as KSA and UAE (not the ones “showing eyes” to Israel while surviving on loans and handouts) do not care about the Palestinian cause because Israel is where money is.

Supporting the Palestinians does no good to anyone.

The Palestinians are short on number. They need every man they can get. Instead of waging war against on the Internet, perhaps Irfan Pathan and other online warriors should go to Palestine and join their Palestine brothers in throwing rocks and bricks at one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world.

This social media jihad against Israel does not help the Palestinians and does not hurt the Israelis one bit.

When YRG "won" the Senate election you came on here and proudly quoted the trend asking for IK to resign. The irony that you had to run with your tail between your legs is irrelevant, but what did you hope to achieve?
Why do you post on here? Why does anyone give an opinion. The fact that Israeli govt bombed the media shows you that light shone on their atrocities is indefensible in the age of the mass social media. Even of it saves the life of one Palestinian, because the Israelis have to think twice about their public, makes it worth the effort.

 

[Bewal Express]

And the Muslim ummah is not fooling anyone by labeling this a humanitarian issue.

The reality is that Muslim care about this conflict ONLY because Palestinians (Muslims) are on the receiving end.

If the roles were reversed and the Jews were getting squashed, they wouldn’t care.

There is no need to pretend that we are humanitarians.

Our humanity starts and ends with Muslims, and in Pakistan’s case, Muslims excluding those in Xinjiang, China and Shia Muslims in Pakistan.

So that Justifies the killing of Palestinians.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ah yes the social media/keyboard warriors hate brigade out in force once again.

These people have got nothing better to do other than spread hate and spout rubbish on the internet/social media.

Many Indians have a pro Israeli view because Israel has helped India militarily a lot. They helped during 1971, a fact that was hidden gor decades.

But their help during 1999 Kargil war, where they dig into their own reserves to supply India was widely publicized. That turned the views of many Indians into being pro Israeli.

 

[El Generico]

Many Indians have a pro Israeli view because Israel has helped India militarily a lot. They helped during 1971, a fact that was hidden gor decades.

But their help during 1999 Kargil war, where they dig into their own reserves to supply India was widely publicized. That turned the views of many Indians into being pro Israeli.

Sure but why was Indian social media also very pro-Armenia in their conflict vs Azerbaijan? What is the historical context for that? Azerbaijan is actually an ally of Israel so shouldn’t Indians have backed them?

You can try to dress it up as you want but for a section of Indians, anyone killing or attacking Muslims is their friend.

 

[Bewal Express]

Many Indians have a pro Israeli view because Israel has helped India militarily a lot. They helped during 1971, a fact that was hidden gor decades.

But their help during 1999 Kargil war, where they dig into their own reserves to supply India was widely publicized. That turned the views of many Indians into being pro Israeli.

And the fact that both Zionists and RSS hate Muslims also helps.

 

[Saj]

Many Indians have a pro Israeli view because Israel has helped India militarily a lot. They helped during 1971, a fact that was hidden gor decades.

But their help during 1999 Kargil war, where they dig into their own reserves to supply India was widely publicized. That turned the views of many Indians into being pro Israeli.

That doesn't alter what they are or the filth that comes from their keyboards.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

And what does Irfan Pathan, like thousands of other social media defenders of Palestine, wish to achieve with hashtags and retweets?

The Jews/Israelis are the most brilliant people on earth. The Muslim world have zero contribution to science & technology since the end of Islamic golden age circa 1400s.

The reality is that we Muslims cannot touch them.

Those who say that it is important to raise awareness. Okay, but for whom? The Muslim states that matter such as KSA and UAE (not the ones “showing eyes” to Israel while surviving on loans and handouts) do not care about the Palestinian cause because Israel is where money is.

Supporting the Palestinians does no good to anyone.

The Palestinians are short on number. They need every man they can get. Instead of waging war against on the Internet, perhaps Irfan Pathan and other online warriors should go to Palestine and join their Palestine brothers in throwing rocks and bricks at one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world.

This social media jihad against Israel does not help the Palestinians and does not hurt the Israelis one bit.

Jews could be god's gift to humanity , still does not justify what's happening in Palestine . You don't even want people to call out injustice ?

 

[El Generico]

And the fact that both Zionists and RSS hate Muslims also helps.

If you go on Twitter, the RSS types see Israel as their role model. They dream to do to Pakistan what IDF does to Palestine.

Sadly for them, Pakistan is no Palestine.

 

[Napa]

If you go on Twitter, the RSS types see Israel as their role model. They dream to do to Pakistan what IDF does to Palestine.

Sadly for them, Pakistan is no Palestine.

Happily for us Indians, those who wish that India would annex Pakistan, have zero chance of getting the government to attempt doing that.

 

[Itachi]

one has to admit, Israel is a very strong nation depending upon it's limited resources and people. Muslims fear Israel and that tells a lot about the strong presence.

 

[El Generico]

Happily for us Indians, those who wish that India would annex Pakistan, have zero chance of getting the government to attempt doing that.

Didn’t Amit Shah and other BJP guys talk about annexing “POK”? Obviously they aren’t capable of even trying but I am sure I have heard ministers of Indian ruling party talk about taking Kashmir.

 

[Bewal Express]

one has to admit, Israel is a very strong nation depending upon it's limited resources and people. Muslims fear Israel and that tells a lot about the strong presence.

Fear is the correct word, we detest the Zionist entity. Corrupt Muslim govts may fear Israel, your average Muslim has no such fear. Its the reasons why the West has installed puppets in Muslim lands.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leicester City's Hamza Choudhury and Wesley Fofana wave the Palestinian flag after their FA Cup Final win over Chelsea <a href="https://t.co/xYJiVvJiDb">pic.twitter.com/xYJiVvJiDb</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1393632257454317580?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[KingKhanWC]

Its sad but not surprising to see Indian citizens defending state terrorism , as their own nation is just as bad.

Attacking Pathan because of a humanitarian tweet shows their true colours.

 

[Bewal Express]

Fear is the correct word, we detest the Zionist entity. Corrupt Muslim govts may fear Israel, your average Muslim has no such fear. Its the reasons why the West has installed puppets in Muslim lands.

Should say fear is the incorrect word.

 

[Zaz]

Many Indians have a pro Israeli view because Israel has helped India militarily a lot. They helped during 1971, a fact that was hidden gor decades.

But their help during 1999 Kargil war, where they dig into their own reserves to supply India was widely publicized. That turned the views of many Indians into being pro Israeli.

That doesnt justify why indians stand and support a brutal, aparthied set of people that kill maim and terrorises palestinians

Do their actions in murder, seizing palestinian land, racially segregating and brutalising people deserve support?

Any group with an ounce of humanity can see who is in the right side of deserving support and its not israel

 

[guna]

Every country must do its part to stop the war and promote peace between Israel and Palestine.

 

[Napa]

Didn’t Amit Shah and other BJP guys talk about annexing “POK”? Obviously they aren’t capable of even trying but I am sure I have heard ministers of Indian ruling party talk about taking Kashmir.

You need to understand the difference between a politician's words and actual action. No different than IK saying he would make Pakistan Riyasat-e-Madina.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=166]from_da_lost_dim3nsion[/MENTION]
[MENTION=146990]El Generico[/MENTION]

Israel will do whatever it can to maintain control. If it means killing children and innocent civilians, they will do it.

No state worries about human rights when it has to preserve its interests. We Pakistanis should know it better than most because of our own colorful history.

In East Pakistan in 1971, we committed the biggest genocide in the modern history of subcontinent and did unspeakable things to the Bengalis. Did we care at the time? No, because we did whatever we could to maintain control in East Pakistan.

Let me educate your further - Pakistan has the blood of Palestinians on their hands as well, a dark chapter of our history that our textbooks have tried to whitewash.

We killed an estimated 10,000 Palestinians under the leadership of Gen. Zia in 1970 during the Jordanian Civil War, commonly referred to as Black September.

Moreover, thousands were made homeless.

 

[El Generico]

You need to understand the difference between a politician's words and actual action. No different than IK saying he would make Pakistan Riyasat-e-Madina.

Don’t think you can compare the two.

Obviously Pakistan and no other country can be anywhere close to Riyasat-e-Madina. But it’s not a bad goal to have, it’s essentially working towards a corruption free and just society. 100% elimination of corruption cannot happen but It’s not a bad goal to work towards. And the PTI government has taken a few step to reduce corruption but there is a long way to go.

On the other hand, even talking of taking territory from a country with nukes is hysterical. But I guess it works with Indian voters lol.

 

[Lego20]

Palestine/Hamas throw rockets close to Israeli parliament. Israel bombs them disproportionately. What do you expect when you try to finger a lion? Its going to do a lot more than fingering you back.

 

[Lego20]

That doesnt justify why indians stand and support a brutal, aparthied set of people that kill maim and terrorises palestinians

Do their actions in murder, seizing palestinian land, racially segregating and brutalising people deserve support?

Any group with an ounce of humanity can see who is in the right side of deserving support and its not israel

Nobody is innocent here. Your sympathies are purely based on religious bias. Assume palestine as a hindu state and you wouldnt even care.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Many Indians have a pro Israeli view because Israel has helped India militarily a lot. They helped during 1971, a fact that was hidden gor decades.

But their help during 1999 Kargil war, where they dig into their own reserves to supply India was widely publicized. That turned the views of many Indians into being pro Israeli.

Indians support Israel because they hate & despise Muslims.

Just take a look at any webforum like TOI comments section, Indian defence forums, Rediff etc. It really is despicable to see the open hatred shown by many hindus over other innocent people’s misery.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Nobody is innocent here. Your sympathies are purely based on religious bias. Assume palestine as a hindu state and you wouldnt even care.

Why do you think that Palestinians are not innocent here?

And isn’t your hatred and opposition of Palestinians also not based on religious bias?

 

[PakLFC]

It takes two to fight. Like it or not the land originally belonged to Palestinians of all faiths. The Jews and Christians have every right to live in Palestine too as they did prior to the formation of Israel. Irfan is currently involved in big rows with pro-Israel Indian's not that it makes a difference. I am not pro-Palestinian because they are mostly Muslim rather because the land originally belongs to them.

 

[Lego20]

Why do you think that Palestinians are not innocent here?

And isn’t your hatred and opposition of Palestinians also not based on religious bias?

I dont know enough about the conflict. At this point, history is immaterial. So anyone who disturbs the status quo is to be blamed. Also, anyone who resorts to violence first is also to be blamed.

So if Israel is doing settlements they are to be blamed.
but if Hamas responds to this with rockets there are to be blamed even more.

 

[Romali_rotti]

This is a very tricky situation for the Indians.

At worst Indians should be staying neutral as both the Palestinians and Israeli's have always backed the Indians when dealing with Pakistan on the Kashmir stance...

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

This is a very tricky situation for the Indians.

At worst Indians should be staying neutral as both the Palestinians and Israeli's have always backed the Indians when dealing with Pakistan on the Kashmir stance...

So is wanting to have the right of self determination and having claim to the land where one has lived for centuries a bad & unjustifiable thing?

If so, can India’s own freedom struggle against British (and earlier against Mughals etc) to be classified the same? Did that freedom struggle not disturb the status quo of the day?

 

[Romali_rotti]

So is wanting to have the right of self determination and having claim to the land where one has lived for centuries a bad & unjustifiable thing?

If so, can India’s own freedom struggle against British (and earlier against Mughals etc) to be classified the same? Did that freedom struggle not disturb the status quo of the day?

You are saying this to the Palestinians that wont back you on your Kashmir stance, yeah ?

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

It takes two to fight. Like it or not the land originally belonged to Palestinians of all faiths. The Jews and Christians have every right to live in Palestine too as they did prior to the formation of Israel. Irfan is currently involved in big rows with pro-Israel Indian's not that it makes a difference. I am not pro-Palestinian because they are mostly Muslim rather because the land originally belongs to them.

Indians are trying to drum the same beat as Israelis when putting their claim on Kashmir but unlike Israel , where the jews were dispelled by the romans. In Kashmir it the local/native population that converted to Islam.

So indians don’t really have a leg to stand on.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

You are saying this to the Palestinians that wont back you on your Kashmir stance, yeah ?

You see the trap right? and with it the open hypocrisy in India’s stance on Kashmir.

 

[OMB]

I can speak for majority that Indians wish to have peace in middle east. Everyone wants Israel and Palestine to resolve their conflicts without killing each other. Indians, like others are not happy with the toll this war is extracting from common people on both sides.

For the benefit of people who are trying to form a judgement by quoting online forums and social media - You will be successful in your quest as this is what you are working to find so diligently and it is so easy to procure all kinds of information and misinformation.
Conversely, if you try fishing for good positive news you will find that too. Try to believe it as easily as you would believe the bad press and suddenly everything looks different.
Up to you to think about this.

 

[Lego20]

Lol, you hypocrite. Its your half baked logic and the dumb statement abt Status quo, that has been shredded here.

We have been (stupidly) maintaining the status quo for 73 years now. Check history to see who has been the revisionist actor(s).

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

I can speak for majority that Indians wish to have peace in middle east. Everyone wants Israel and Palestine to resolve their conflicts without killing each other. Indians, like others are not happy with the toll this war is extracting from common people on both sides.

For the benefit of people who are trying to form a judgement by quoting online forums and social media - You will be successful in your quest as this is what you are working to find so diligently and it is so easy to procure all kinds of information and misinformation.
Conversely, if you try fishing for good positive news you will find that too. Try to believe it as easily as you would believe the bad press and suddenly everything looks different.
Up to you to think about this.

Where on internet can one find these good positive news and an impartial opinion from your fellow Indians?

Where ever one looks, its only hatred and disgusting behaviour on display. And btw. you yourself sound like CNN, when you make statements like “ not happy with the toll this war is extracting from common people on both sides.”

Its largely a one sided affair, check the death rates and figures of casualties available out there.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

We have been (stupidly) maintaining the status quo for 73 years now. Check history to see who has been the revisionist actor(s).

Status quo “doesn’t mean anything” nor it justifies and legalises the injustice.

 

[El Generico]

I can speak for majority that Indians wish to have peace in middle east. Everyone wants Israel and Palestine to resolve their conflicts without killing each other. Indians, like others are not happy with the toll this war is extracting from common people on both sides.

For the benefit of people who are trying to form a judgement by quoting online forums and social media - You will be successful in your quest as this is what you are working to find so diligently and it is so easy to procure all kinds of information and misinformation.
Conversely, if you try fishing for good positive news you will find that too. Try to believe it as easily as you would believe the bad press and suddenly everything looks different.
Up to you to think about this.

Cmon man that’s not true at all. I logged into Twitter just to get an update on the conflict and around 75% of the posts were Indians cheering for Israel or calling for death in Palestine. There was no need to fish for or look for those comments. If you don’t believe me , just search this conflict on social media and see what the majority of Indians are saying.

I am sure there are positive posts by Indians too but you have to really look for those.

 

[El Generico]

BTW it’s not just Pakistanis but people from others countries have also started noticing India’s weird obsession with Israel

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Post by Israel, you'll find a bunch of Indians saying<br><br>"You lead and we follow, god bless you sir" although the Israelis dont give 2 ***** about indians.<br><br>You guys need to stop worshipping Israel, you're humiliating yourselves, you're better than this. <a href="https://t.co/PqSV0TWfSz">pic.twitter.com/PqSV0TWfSz</a></p>— samuel Edward (@SamEdwardd) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamEdwardd/status/1393637013056892928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Itachi]

BTW it’s not just Pakistanis but people from others countries have also started noticing India’s weird obsession with Israel

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Post by Israel, you'll find a bunch of Indians saying<br><br>"You lead and we follow, god bless you sir" although the Israelis dont give 2 ***** about indians.<br><br>You guys need to stop worshipping Israel, you're humiliating yourselves, you're better than this. <a href="https://t.co/PqSV0TWfSz">pic.twitter.com/PqSV0TWfSz</a></p>— samuel Edward (@SamEdwardd) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamEdwardd/status/1393637013056892928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I = India
I = Israel.

We are siblings from alphabetical point of view. We are siblings from alphabetical point of view. So i am not sure why people are surprised.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

BTW it’s not just Pakistanis but people from others countries have also started noticing India’s weird obsession with Israel

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Post by Israel, you'll find a bunch of Indians saying<br><br>"You lead and we follow, god bless you sir" although the Israelis dont give 2 ***** about indians.<br><br>You guys need to stop worshipping Israel, you're humiliating yourselves, you're better than this. <a href="https://t.co/PqSV0TWfSz">pic.twitter.com/PqSV0TWfSz</a></p>— samuel Edward (@SamEdwardd) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamEdwardd/status/1393637013056892928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

) ) ) @ the cartoon. Pretty spot on!

 

[street cricketer]

So is wanting to have the right of self determination and having claim to the land where one has lived for centuries a bad & unjustifiable thing?

If so, can India’s own freedom struggle against British (and earlier against Mughals etc) to be classified the same? Did that freedom struggle not disturb the status quo of the day?

You can call it hypocrisy in India's case, but is it any different to any other nation state which has movements of insurgency running within its territory?

Take Indonesia for example. I'm sure every Indonesian muslim would be deeply pained by Israel occupying Palestine and staging protests and everything against Israel. But at the same time, their state is occupying West Papua where the west Papuans have been demanding independence for a long time, but nobody in world gives a damn about them or even know that there's an issue going on there because your struggles get identified only if your community has clout in world. Over a billion muslims in world can highlight Israel's excesses in Palestine but how many Papuan tribes are there to highlight their plights in world forums.

You have the self styled leader of the Islamic world Erdogan talking passionately for the Kashmiri and Palestinian cause in world summits time and again, but at the same time, he ruthlessly crushes the Kurds who have been demanding a state of their own for decades now (they're the largest ethnic group without a state of their own).

Even take the Armenia-Azerbaijan case. It's pretty much the Kashmir case in that the land of Arstakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) officially and legally belongs to Azerbaijan but the people living there are mostly Armenians who want to join with Armenia. Yet, Pakistan and Pakistanis support the right of the people living in Kashmir to decide their fate for themselves but at the same time, vehemently support Azerbaijan in their conflict with Armenia in Arstakh despite the Armenian majority living there wanting their future with Armenia. It's not hard to work out why Pakistan supports Azerbaijan and it's certainly not for humanitarian causes but purely political and religious reasons.

Heck, even Pakistan didn't let go off East Pakistan without a bloody war in 1971 and it's not like they conducted a referendum in East Pakistan once the unrest started there and decided to grant the Bengali muslims the right to form their own country on their own accord.

If there's one thing I've learnt reading about conflicts in different parts of the world, it's that support of states to different conflicts rarely has anything to do about "humanitarian reasons" although they would like to publicise it so, but it has mostly to do with geopolitical reasons. I can't even say due to religious reasons because Pakistan on one hand supports the Palestinian and Kashmiri cause but on the other hand, firmly supports China in the issue concerning the Uyghur muslims and actively supplied the Myanmar armed forces with ammunition and jets when they were ethnic cleansing the Rohingya muslims in their territory. It's also due to geopolitics why the West passionately talks about the Uyghur cause in many forums but is largely apathetic to the Palestinian cause and rarely criticises Israel for their excesses. So yeah, as unfortunate as it is, we do live in a world of hypocrisy.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You see the trap right? and with it the open hypocrisy in India’s stance on Kashmir.

So, you are saying the Palestinians are wrong in supporting India on the Kashmir issue, right ?

 

[Zaz]

Nobody is innocent here. Your sympathies are purely based on religious bias. Assume palestine as a hindu state and you wouldnt even care.

Wow so the oppressed and the occupied arent innocent, ive heard it all now from you guys

I stand up for right and wrong as that what my religion tells me Show me a hindu being oppressed and i ll back him

Is that what youd do? Is this what your religion your humanity tells you that the palestinians arent innocent here ? Wow

 

[Manunited18]

Impressed by his stand - although one does wish he said same about Kashmir. However, the same argument can be put back on us about Chinese atrocities....

As far as the Chinese atrocities my understanding is it's more political than religious, it's more the Chinese government clamping down on a separatist movement, all the anti China media propaganda are making it out to be a religious persecution. China's muslims live a life of prosperity, freedom and other major benefits. Let's also not forget there's more Mosques in China alone than the rest of the western world put together.

 

[gazza619]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=166]from_da_lost_dim3nsion[/MENTION]
[MENTION=146990]El Generico[/MENTION]

Israel will do whatever it can to maintain control. If it means killing children and innocent civilians, they will do it.

No state worries about human rights when it has to preserve its interests. We Pakistanis should know it better than most because of our own colorful history.

In East Pakistan in 1971, we committed the biggest genocide in the modern history of subcontinent and did unspeakable things to the Bengalis. Did we care at the time? No, because we did whatever we could to maintain control in East Pakistan.

Let me educate your further - Pakistan has the blood of Palestinians on their hands as well, a dark chapter of our history that our textbooks have tried to whitewash.

We killed an estimated 10,000 Palestinians under the leadership of Gen. Zia in 1970 during the Jordanian Civil War, commonly referred to as Black September.

Moreover, thousands were made homeless.

Unlike other nations who never feel sorry for their past, Pakistan top leadership have been apologetic for some of the historical events and I have seen this in speeches over the last 2 decades many a time.

Just because you have had a wild past, it doesn't mean you cant correct your present and future and try to be righteous as much as you can.

 

[Mamoon]

Wow so the oppressed and the occupied arent innocent, ive heard it all now from you guys

I stand up for right and wrong as that what my religion tells me Show me a hindu being oppressed and i ll back him

Is that what youd do? Is this what your religion your humanity tells you that the palestinians arent innocent here ? Wow

Do you?

How frequently do you post in threads that highlight the plight of the minorities in Pakistan?

Moreover, how frequently do you comment on the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Xinjiang, China?

Some of the stuff that the Chinese are doing to the Muslims in Xinjiang is comparable to the activities that were going in the Nazi concentration camps, but I don’t see you showing solidarity with them, at least not to the same extent that you do for the Palestinians.

You don’t stand up for right and wrong. No one does. Your humanity and empathy is dictated by religion and nationality, just like it is for everyone else.

Hence, there is no need of chest-thumping because it does not take much for our hypocrisy to get exposed.

 

[Mamoon]

Unlike other nations who never feel sorry for their past, Pakistan top leadership have been apologetic for some of the historical events and I have seen this in speeches over the last 2 decades many a time.

Just because you have had a wild past, it doesn't mean you cant correct your present and future and try to be righteous as much as you can.

When the dust settles and you are no longer in a position where your morality is tested, it is very easy to act moral and pretend that you are righteous.

However, when you are in a position where you have to choose what is morally right and what serves your interests, almost every country and almost every person will look to preserve self-interest.

Today, a lot of Nazi soldiers feel sorry for what they did. The Japanese have expressed their regrets over the Nanjing massacre and quite a few Americans would tell you that the atomic bombs should not have been dropped on Japan.

Maybe 50-60 years down the line when Palestine is wiped out, some Israelis soldiers will look back and express their regrets over targeting unarmed civilians.

When the Kashmir freedom movement dies out in the future and India takes complete control of the region which is inevitable, perhaps supporters of the BJP government will look back and agree that they crossed the line in Kashmir on certain occasions.

But the reality is that when you are in the heat of the moment, and you have to choose between doing what is right and doing what will benefit you and your country, it is not an easy choice to make. It is not black and white - there are different shades of grey.

Pakistan can blow its own trumpet now and our leaders can pretend that they are saints, but if Pakistan finds itself in the same situation again, it will not do anything differently because like everyone else, it has to serve its own interests as well.

In fact, on a smaller scale, it has happening today as well. Imran Khan makes a tweet when a mouse farts in a different corner of the world and it impacts Muslims somehow, but he cannot muster the courage to condemn the atrocities that are committed against minorities in Pakistan.

He cannot do that because it is not in the interests of the government to confront of the radical Islamic extremists in Pakistan who are the forefront of butchering minorities and have deprived them of their constitutional rights as citizens of Pakistan.

Similarly, he will stand up for Muslims all over the world and make thunderous speeches in international forums, but he does not have the courage to condemn China for the ethnic cleansing of Uyghur Muslims because China is holding Pakistan by the balls.

 

[in_cutter]

Many Indians have a pro Israeli view because Israel has helped India militarily a lot. They helped during 1971, a fact that was hidden gor decades.

But their help during 1999 Kargil war, where they dig into their own reserves to supply India was widely publicized. That turned the views of many Indians into being pro Israeli.

Yea right! Who are you fooling? Bakhts support Israel because if their hate for Muslims!

 

[in_cutter]

Palestine/Hamas throw rockets close to Israeli parliament. Israel bombs them disproportionately. What do you expect when you try to finger a lion? Its going to do a lot more than fingering you back.

You expect Palestinians to sit & watch whilst they are attacked for no reason whilst worshipping in a mosque? Israeli terrorists are the instigators.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And what does Irfan Pathan, like thousands of other social media defenders of Palestine, wish to achieve with hashtags and retweets?

The Jews/Israelis are the most brilliant people on earth. The Muslim world have zero contribution to science & technology since the end of Islamic golden age circa 1400s.

The reality is that we Muslims cannot touch them.

You could have made the same argument for Hitler's Nazis to be fair. I wonder how the Jews would have prospered without the intervention of the rest of the world?

 

[Itachi]

Unlike other nations who never feel sorry for their past, Pakistan top leadership have been apologetic for some of the historical events and I have seen this in speeches over the last 2 decades many a time.

Just because you have had a wild past, it doesn't mean you cant correct your present and future and try to be righteous as much as you can.

Meh. IK has repeatedly avoided any reply when asked about uyghur. When as a PM, he addresses what he preaches, we can talk about it.

in fact he himself stated that China is Pakistans friend and is crucial in building Pakistan. Going by current trend, only a fool will believe that he won't repeat history if put in to same position.

Every country, every person will do it. There is no absolute morality in this world.

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=166]from_da_lost_dim3nsion[/MENTION]
[MENTION=146990]El Generico[/MENTION]

Israel will do whatever it can to maintain control. If it means killing children and innocent civilians, they will do it.

No state worries about human rights when it has to preserve its interests. We Pakistanis should know it better than most because of our own colorful history.

In East Pakistan in 1971, we committed the biggest genocide in the modern history of subcontinent and did unspeakable things to the Bengalis. Did we care at the time? No, because we did whatever we could to maintain control in East Pakistan.

Let me educate your further - Pakistan has the blood of Palestinians on their hands as well, a dark chapter of our history that our textbooks have tried to whitewash.

We killed an estimated 10,000 Palestinians under the leadership of Gen. Zia in 1970 during the Jordanian Civil War, commonly referred to as Black September.

Moreover, thousands were made homeless.

So Israel doing whatever it takes to maintain control has yours and the sympathy of Muslim haters around the World. Look at the Hindutva, who have no stake in this fight, support the murder of innocent Palestinians. As i pointed to you and you avoided the question why did you so enthusiastically support the thread YRG victory, what did you hope to achieve? and ultimately had to run from.
No nation can claim to be totally innocent but this happening here in front of our eyes, and your sympathies lie with oppressors and not the oppressed. As i pointed out to your friends before that history isnt linear and things change pretty quickly, just look at the horrendous impact of the pandemic on Western economies, who have resorted to printing money. IA the Palestinians will get their freedom from this racist entity because colonial outposts only last so long.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

BTW it’s not just Pakistanis but people from others countries have also started noticing India’s weird obsession with Israel

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Post by Israel, you'll find a bunch of Indians saying<br><br>"You lead and we follow, god bless you sir" although the Israelis dont give 2 ***** about indians.<br><br>You guys need to stop worshipping Israel, you're humiliating yourselves, you're better than this. <a href="https://t.co/PqSV0TWfSz">pic.twitter.com/PqSV0TWfSz</a></p>— samuel Edward (@SamEdwardd) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamEdwardd/status/1393637013056892928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[Mamoon]

You could have made the same argument for Hitler's Nazis to be fair. I wonder how the Jews would have prospered without the intervention of the rest of the world?

The Nazis were destroyed by the Allied powers. They didn’t just make statements and offered verbal criticism; they took action and broke the Nazi’s back.

Do Muslim countries have the guts to move beyond criticizing Israel and do something about it?

 

[Zaz]

The Jews/Israelis are the most brilliant people on earth

If the Israelis were the most brilliant people on earth they wouldnt be killing oppressing and subjogating innocent men women and children from their land

For me and most sane peope they arent because they commit state sponsored evil daily Reminds me of another country in the 1930s\ 1940s europe

Hitler germany i guess in your eyes were the most brilliant people on earth too

Eerily similar set of blood thirsty people How the oppress have become the oppressors

 

[Mamoon]

If the Israelis were the most brilliant people on earth they wouldnt be killing oppressing and subjogating innocent men women and children from their land

For me and most sane peope they arent because they commit state sponsored evil daily Reminds me of another country in the 1930s\ 1940s europe

Hitler germany i guess in your eyes were the most brilliant people on earth too

Eerily similar set of blood thirsty people How the oppress have become the oppressors

Israelis have proved their brilliance in science and technology. They do not need approval from the least brilliant people, the Muslims, who have made zero contributions to the development of the world after the golden age of Islam ended in the 14th century.

Israelis continued to make breakthroughs in various fields including medicine while Muslims can only offer criticism and make Facebook posts against Israel because they do not have the brains to compete with them.

2 years back, an Israeli scientist developed the first 3D printed heart which will revolutionize cardiac treatment in the future and will also benefit Muslims with heart problems.

The same Muslims will then criticize Israel and wish for its demise with an Israeli made heart beating in their chest.

Currently, Israel is working on a breakthrough diagnostic tool called the SniffPhone which will be commercially available in 4-5 years.

It will be able to detect the development of cancerous tumors at an extremely early stage and will revolutionize the treatment of cancer.

The SniffPhone will save millions of Muslims from dying of cancer and these same Muslims will then criticize Israel.

This is the reality of Muslims today. They are dreaming of fighting a nation that is several notches above them in intelligence and achievements. The Muslim ummah is no match for the Israelis - we cannot touch them.

 

[Bewal Express]

The Nazis were destroyed by the Allied powers. They didn’t just make statements and offered verbal criticism; they took action and broke the Nazi’s back.

Do Muslim countries have the guts to move beyond criticizing Israel and do something about it?

But had you been around at the time, you would have supported the Nazis because they were the brilliant people of their time and based on that you would have been happy for innocent Jews to be murdered in their millions. You are a groupy for the powerful.

 

[Bewal Express]

Israelis have proved their brilliance in science and technology. They do not need approval from the least brilliant people, the Muslims, who have made zero contributions to the development of the world after the golden age of Islam ended in the 14th century.

Israelis continued to make breakthroughs in various fields including medicine while Muslims can only offer criticism and make Facebook posts against Israel because they do not have the brains to compete with them.

2 years back, an Israeli scientist developed the first 3D printed heart which will revolutionize cardiac treatment in the future and will also benefit Muslims with heart problems.

The same Muslims will then criticize Israel and wish for its demise with an Israeli made heart beating in their chest.

Currently, Israel is working on a breakthrough diagnostic tool called the SniffPhone which will be commercially available in 4-5 years.

It will be able to detect the development of cancerous tumors at an extremely early stage and will revolutionize the treatment of cancer.

The SniffPhone will save millions of Muslims from dying of cancer and these same Muslims will then criticize Israel.

This is the reality of Muslims today. They are dreaming of fighting a nation that is several notches above them in intelligence and achievements. The Muslim ummah is no match for the Israelis - we cannot touch them.

So your criteria for the right to oppress is that as long aa they are brilliant, they can do pretty much what they want to the inferior races. The Nazis were also amazing, took on the World and nearly won. I take it that Mein Kampf is essential reading in your household.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

From a humanitarian POV, there is no justifying Israel's actions. But then again, are Chinese actions in on Uyghur Muslims, Tibetans acceptable? Was SL government's action against Tamils acceptable? Or what Erdogan does to Kurds etc?

Israel will do as much as it can get away with and if Muslim nations want to support Palestine, they should band together and declare war on Israel. Don't expect international community to give a damn. There are plenty of human rights violations being perpetrated across the world and nothing has changed.
It may be your "Holy land" but the rest of the world couldnt care less.

 

[Mamoon]

So your criteria for the right to oppress is that as long aa they are brilliant, they can do pretty much what they want to the inferior races. The Nazis were also amazing, took on the World and nearly won. I take it that Mein Kampf is essential reading in your household.

Again, it is not black and white. The good guy and the bad guy simplistic distinction does not capture the reality.

For the rest of the world, Hitler was an evil dictator, but for Germany, his rise was essential for their survival.

In the aftermath of WWI, Germany was reduced to nothing and completely handicapped by the peace treaties that concluded the war.

Hitler’s rise was a consequence - a reaction - to the state that Germany found itself. In a few years, he took Germany out of poverty and established it as a major power. He improved the lives of common Germans.

The Nazis achieved breakthroughs medical research because the German doctors and scientists did experiments on Jews in the concentration camps. Those experiments destroyed the Jews but benefited the common citizens of Germany.

Most people do not have the capacity took look at both sides of the coin. It is easy to condemn Hitler, Imperial Japan, Italian Fascism, Israel, neocon foreign policy of USA, colonialism and mercantilism etc. but there are always motivations and inspirations behind those actions, and those actions benefit the millions of people living in those countries.

It is easy to make the following unintelligent argument: “Israel is evil and they should not persecute Palestinians and they should return the occupied land”

Why should they? Who will serve the interests of Israel if not Israel itself?

 

[Itachi]

So your criteria for the right to oppress is that as long aa they are brilliant, they can do pretty much what they want to the inferior races. The Nazis were also amazing, took on the World and nearly won. I take it that Mein Kampf is essential reading in your household.

You like it or not, the world runs like that way.

The Japanese unit 371, which conducted lethal human experiments, were granted immunity by the allied force provided they hand over their documents/findings to the allied force.

You may shout about morality but real world doesn't run like you want.

 

[Bewal Express]

Again, it is not black and white. The good guy and the bad guy simplistic distinction does not capture the reality.

For the rest of the world, Hitler was an evil dictator, but for Germany, his rise was essential for their survival.

In the aftermath of WWI, Germany was reduced to nothing and completely handicapped by the peace treaties that concluded the war.

Hitler’s rise was a consequence - a reaction - to the state that Germany found itself. In a few years, he took Germany out of poverty and established it as a major power. He improved the lives of common Germans.

The Nazis achieved breakthroughs medical research because the German doctors and scientists did experiments on Jews in the concentration camps. Those experiments destroyed the Jews but benefited the common citizens of Germany.

Most people do not have the capacity took look at both sides of the coin. It is easy to condemn Hitler, Imperial Japan, Italian Fascism, Israel, neocon foreign policy of USA, colonialism and mercantilism etc. but there are always motivations and inspirations behind those actions, and those actions benefit the millions of people living in those countries.

It is easy to make the following unintelligent argument: “Israel is evil and they should not persecute Palestinians and they should return the occupied land”

Why should they? Who will serve the interests of Israel if not Israel itself?

Israel isn't fighting for survival anymore, its fighting to expand its land. Israel still doesn't have defined borders, and its desire to take the West Bank is obvious to everyone that is fair minded. Its the Palestinians that are fighting for survival but have been let down by us Muslims. The Jews are not super human beings and if push came to shove, Muslims fighting with imaan would wipe the floor with them. If the Muslim govts asked for 10mn volunteers to fight them tomorrow, I guarantee they would get them. I have no problems with Jews living in Palestine, afterall they also have also been there for 1000s of years, I have problem with Eastern Europeans and others that are the victims of European racism and pogroms for 1000s of years showing their "bravery" by killing Palestinians and occupying their land.
They should withdraw to the pre 67 borders, get rid of all the settlements in the West Bank, compensate the Palestinians for all the property they took and ask for forgiveness.

 

[Itachi]

Its the Palestinians that are fighting for survival but have been let down by us Muslims. The Jews are not super human beings and if push came to shove, Muslims fighting with imaan would wipe the floor with them. If the Muslim govts asked for 10mn volunteers to fight them tomorrow, I guarantee they would get them.

They should withdraw to the pre 67 borders, get rid of all the settlements in the West Bank, compensate the Palestinians for all the property they took and ask for forgiveness.

The expectations.... I have no words.

 

[Bewal Express]

The expectations.... I have no words.

Are you saying they wouldn't get the 10m. The Muslim govts are Western Puppets but the people still have enough imaan not to be cowed.

 

[Last Monetarist]

As far as the Chinese atrocities my understanding is it's more political than religious, it's more the Chinese government clamping down on a separatist movement, all the anti China media propaganda are making it out to be a religious persecution. China's muslims live a life of prosperity, freedom and other major benefits. Let's also not forget there's more Mosques in China alone than the rest of the western world put together.

Have you ever been to China or Xinjiang? How many Chinese muslims have you interacted with? With all due respect, stop spouting gullible rubbish as an unwitting spokesman for the CCP.

I don't like the idea of equivalence for all instances of injustice and persecution such that failure to condemn one case precludes criticism of all others, however, trivializing other cases is also utterly out of order.

 

[Itachi]

Are you saying they wouldn't get the 10m. The Muslim govts are Western Puppets but the people still have enough imaan not to be cowed.

What? you can't be THIS naive.

Muslims are arguing about what to eat, what not to eat, is music halal or haram.... and you believe that those same Muslims can put a brave face and face all the consequences for years to come for this?

No one will. At best, a protest of one month can go on but no more than that.

 

[Markhor]

Let me educate your further - Pakistan has the blood of Palestinians on their hands as well, a dark chapter of our history that our textbooks have tried to whitewash.

We killed an estimated 10,000 Palestinians under the leadership of Gen. Zia in 1970 during the Jordanian Civil War, commonly referred to as Black September.

Moreover, thousands were made homeless.

I don't always agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], who often revels in contrarianism for attention but he's right here. The rare occasion where Pakistan had a direct involvement in the conflict and they came down the side of their Arab Gulf paymasters instead of their Palestinian brethren.

Now the Palestinians were becoming a state within a state in Jordan in the late-60s, with King Hussein himself being subject to attempted assassinations. Armed resistance also opened Jordan up to Israeli retaliation so there was a logic behind the operation. Although I'm unsure about the 10,000 figure, the PLO was severely weakened after Black September where ironically, it was Mard-e-Momin himself General Zia who trained the Jordanians.

For the rest of the world, Hitler was an evil dictator, but for Germany, his rise was essential for their survival.

In the aftermath of WWI, Germany was reduced to nothing and completely handicapped by the peace treaties that concluded the war.

Hitler’s rise was a consequence - a reaction - to the state that Germany found itself. In a few years, he took Germany out of poverty and established it as a major power. He improved the lives of common Germans.

This is less logical an argument however. Historical analysis is not limited to a set of "on the one hand and on the other" arguments, we can still make an overall assessment of the net benefits and costs of a particular regime. Germany were a major industrial power that established a welfare state well before the Nazis. Whatever material gains were achieved - Hitler left his country utterly destroyed (ordering a scorched earth policy against his own people), partitioned into two for the next 45 years while German minorities across Europe faced massive displacement and ethnic cleansing.

Whilst Israel can be commended for becoming a technological and regional economic powerhouse, albeit with significant American largesse, it has never come to terms with its original sin of massive displacement of the Palestinians who've been subject to 70 years of state sanctioned violence, and never fully extending civil rights to its Arab population who make up a fifth of the nation.

This along with Netanyahu's deliberately divisive politics and tolerance of Jewish extremism has led to the explosion of communal violence for the first time within Israel proper between Jews and Arabs, shattering the myth their conflict with the Arabs can simply be "managed" in perpetuity.

 

[El Generico]

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu thanks countries supporting Israel; Indians ask, 'Where is India?

https://www.freepressjournal.in/vir...-supporting-israel-indians-ask-where-is-india

This is kind of sad, despite Indian social media warriors doing their best to harass Irfan Pathan and anyone who speaks up against Israel, their hero completely ignored them.

 

[NishanKonar]

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu thanks countries supporting Israel; Indians ask, 'Where is India?

https://www.freepressjournal.in/vir...-supporting-israel-indians-ask-where-is-india

This is kind of sad, despite Indian social media warriors doing their best to harass Irfan Pathan and anyone who speaks up against Israel, their hero completely ignored them.

India officially voted against Israel at the UN security Council - like we always do

Franky most Indians are indifferent towards Israel & Palestine - except a handful of social media warriors & some Muslim organizations