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Is Babar Azam cut out for Test cricket?

Decisions to drop a player do not depend on future prospects, but on current form. Babar may well be the next Steve Smith, but he needs to go back to domestics and sort it out. People who are saying that he should learn while playing test cricket obviously have no idea about winning.
 
asfandyar said:
Decisions to drop a player do not depend on future prospects, but on current form. Babar may well be the next Steve Smith, but he needs to go back to domestics and sort it out. People who are saying that he should learn while playing test cricket obviously have no idea about winning.
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Exactly.I’m not saying that he should be dropped permanently but he should only be brought back if he improves in FC.
 
By including Babar Azam, Pakistan is playing Test match with 10 players

By including Babar Azam, Pakistan is playing test match with 10 players. Do you agree? :babar
 
We're playing with three players only: Azhar Ali, Haris Sohail, Yasir Shah.
 
A guy with a sub-40 average in FC cricket struggling in the test arena is hardly a surprise.

Let him play LOIs and domestic cricket for the next 2-3 years and then evaluate again.
 
They way he got out today was truly atrocious. Should be dropped just on the basis of that dismissal.


But he is PP's darling and saying anything against golden boy is inviting trouble.
 
Harry is just in his second test and he is already a better test batsman than Bobby.
 
well we have unfit amir, masood, shafiq, wahab as well as babar

So it may well be 6 or 7 that pakistan is playing with
 
Damn that title must burn a lot of people [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] looks like your countrymen have given up all hope on Pakistani Kohli?
 
Syed1 said:
Harry is just in his second test and he is already a better test batsman than Bobby.
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Bhai this was always going to be the case.. ask [MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION]!!

“Babar will be our best ODI batsman and Haris will be world class in tests”
 
big_gamer007 said:
Damn that title must burn a lot of people [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] looks like your countrymen have given up all hope on Pakistani Kohli?
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I think he should be given a long rope on the basis of that mauling of India in the Champions Trophy I really enjoyed it :))
 
If we keep playing him in tests this will destroy his confidence in LO cricket.

Let him play ODI, T20, and First-class cricket for a couple years until he learns how to develop a innings.
 
shaz619 said:
I think he should be given a long rope on the basis of that mauling of India in the Champions Trophy I really enjoyed it :))
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:yk2 Pfft he didn't he didn't even score a 50, fakhar and Hafeez (imagine that) were the main bashers..

coming back to topic what's going on with Pakistani fans here why are they turning against the golden boy?
 
we had a thread claiming that this legendary bloke can make a place for himself in the Indian team.... I don't think 🤔 so after seeing him bat in the last 2 test matches against a very mediocre bowling attack.
 
He is not ready for test cricket. If Mickey really want to play him in tests, make him open. Shaan is so bad that Imran Farhat was like Saeed Anwar by comparison.
 
Some posters always have an agenda,and it becomes annoying and visible with every post.
 
They should keep him in the squad.He has not done noteworthy till now but he should not be dropped from the squad though usman can be tried in his place.
 
mystical man said:
we had a thread claiming that this legendary bloke can make a place for himself in the Indian team.... I don't think �� so after seeing him bat in the last 2 test matches against a very mediocre bowling attack.
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The question was about ODIs :facepalm:
 
babajee said:
Bhai this was always going to be the case.. ask [MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION]!!

“Babar will be our best ODI batsman and Haris will be world class in tests”
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Hahaha yes this will happen and you have started to see a glimpse now :p
All the Haris doubters who laughed at me are nowhere to be seen now. Soon will happen to Babar doubters when he will lead odi batting charts. Sarfraz also did the undo-able in CT. But we need more from these 3.
 
A bloke averaging 25 after playing 11 tests and most of them against minnows wi and sl without a century is the golden boy of pak cricket.

Even in aus roads he was a walking wicket.

The greater the hype on pp the greater the fall of such players
 
The shot he played today to get out was the sort of shot you see in kids cricket.

I'm not convinced playing him in 3 formats is the right thing.
 
sachin100 said:
A bloke averaging 25 after playing 11 tests and most of them against minnows wi and sl without a century is the golden boy of pak cricket.

Even in aus roads he was a walking wicket.

The greater the hype on pp the greater the fall of such players
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Abdul said:
Realest thing ever said.

Might consider making this my signature.
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The likes of Kohli, Root, Williamson, Yasir, Rohit Sharma, Pandya all were hyped up a lot before the made their name.
 
msb314 said:
The likes of Kohli, Root, Williamson, Yasir, Rohit Sharma, Pandya all were hyped up a lot before the made their name.
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Yes but Pakistanis are able to hype rubbish players only. Yasir was never hyped, he was brought in after Ajmal got banned and many questioned his selection until he bamboozled the Australians in UAE, think it was his debut series. I don't know about the others you've named.
 
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Investment will pay off just like it did with Azhar, inshaAllah. He has the same hunger for runs just doesn't know how to make runs in test cricket yet. Every innings he fails he's learning the craft, and he will learn faster than he will in FC.

Patience is necessary to develop batsmen. All great players went through this learning curve.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Investment will pay off just like it did with Azhar, inshaAllah. He has the same hunger for runs just doesn't know how to make runs in test cricket yet. Every innings he fails he's learning the craft, and he will learn faster than he will in FC.

Patience is necessary to develop batsmen. All great players went through this learning curve.
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When all the other great players went through their learning curves, did they have other batsmen around them who were established names (well-known)? Asking because I'm not sure if we have the same luxury since our batting has literally been utter crap every game.
 
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Abdul said:
When all the other great players went through their learning curves, did they have other batsmen around them who were established names (well-known)? Asking because I'm not sure if we have the same luxury since our batting has literally been utter crap every game.
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He does have Azhar to learn from. He also learned from Younis his first 10 games. Haris is new himself but he's a seasoned veteran in FC so he can learn plenty from him as well.
 
Abdul said:
Yes but Pakistanis are able to hype rubbish players only. Yasir was never hyped, he was brought in after Ajmal got banned and many questioned his selection until he bamboozled the Australians in UAE, think it was his debut series. I don't know about the others you've named.
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Yasir was hyped by Shane Warne and I remember a lot of threads going around in late 2014 about he good he was going to become. Considering he was fastest to 50, 100 and 150 wickets - I would say he did a job well done although his form outside of Asia is questionable other than the Lord's Test of 2016.

The Indian players were rightfully hyped although no Pakistani player had debuted and established himself in tests since I joined PP other than Yasir and Babar. I seem to recall there was a fair amount of hype for Sami Aslam and to be fair to him - he hasn't done too badly so far...
 
Chance in the 4th innings for him to announce himself.

Need big scores from Sami, Azhar, Shafiq, Babar and Haris.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
He does have Azhar to learn from. He also learned from Younis his first 10 games. Haris is new himself but he's a seasoned veteran in FC so he learn plenty from him as well.
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Guess you're right but either way, there's too much pressure on Azhar. He's literally the only one performing right now alongside Haris and if either of them fails, then we're doomed.

Anyway, it's not a good idea to drop young batsmen after a few failures as it completely destroys their confidence and then these guys start playing for their spots. I'm usually just messing around most of the times to give some people the taste of their own medicine.

Hope Salahuddin replaces Shafiq (lost cause) whenever we play next.
 
Babar Azam has been a huge failure in test matches. People calling for Asad Shafiq or Sami Aslam or Shan to be dropped, I would drop Babar first if he doesn't perform in the 2nd innings. Having watched him bat throughout this series...its has been utterly shambolic batting by him. He looks a completely different batsman in ODI's.
 
Yes he can, if Farhat and Iqbal get to play dozens of games why can't Babar who has a superior technique?

He is the choosen one brothers
 
big_gamer007 said:
:yk2 Pfft he didn't he didn't even score a 50, fakhar and Hafeez (imagine that) were the main bashers..

coming back to topic what's going on with Pakistani fans here why are they turning against the golden boy?
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They hit Misbah and Younis with their sledge hammer as well what do you expect :)) and to be fair he has been very poor at the test level after a fair amount of chances
 
:salute:salute

We are so blessed to have this legend :))

First ball duck for our superstar
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Kohli, Joe Root, kane, smith , amla, kallis, all had struggled starts to their careers

Steve Smith
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Amla
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Kallis
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Kane W
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Joe Root - though he avg good among the one i have shared here
look at his record for the first tour to AUS and NZL.. he is not an Asian batsman
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...4;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Kohli
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting


The above records and links each one of them are self-explanatory..In summary the links have the records of the players for their first 3 years or first 20 inns or first 20 tests however you want to read is upto you..

Hope you hold your horses now from jumping into the bandwagon..

Moreover mainly this is the reason all other countries have one star player like kohli, root, kane, smith but pak is still finding
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But But But, even seasoned players struggled to make a name for themselves in their first 11 test matches.
 
Interesting U-turn from all the Babar Azam supporters in today.
 
I was always saying that he needs at worst another 1 full season of FC before being drafted in to the Test side but as always there's no logic by PCB as they see someone doing well in one they'll pick him in all formats.
 
Can’t defend this sort of batting at all; needs to sit out in our next test.
 
I think, he would have been dropped if there was a 3rd Test. But, fortunately for him, next scheduled Test is Mash Allah 8 months later - mighty 2 Tests in U.K., after that, another 4 months chutti..... he has a great chance to redeem himself in domestics and make the England trip.

Whoever his guru is must encourage him to bat in top 3 in domestics and bat for long. I can recall his famous cousin scored 256 or so in 2nd match, probably another hundred shortly - both from No. 3, then some buzurg must had instructed him to go down the order because ball 'suing's early in the innings.

But, at present the way he is getting out, he needs to be out of XI had there been a 3rd Test, because this will affect his ODI game.
 
MMHS said:
I think, he would have been dropped if there was a 3rd Test. But, fortunately for him, next scheduled Test is Mash Allah 8 months later - mighty 2 Tests in U.K., after that, another 4 months chutti..... he has a great chance to redeem himself in domestics and make the England trip.

Whoever his guru is must encourage him to bat in top 3 in domestics and bat for long. I can recall his famous cousin scored 256 or so in 2nd match, probably another hundred shortly - both from No. 3, then some buzurg must had instructed him to go down the order because ball 'suing's early in the innings.

But, at present the way he is getting out, he needs to be out of XI had there been a 3rd Test, because this will affect his ODI game.
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But by the time the Sri Lanka limited-overs series finish, there will be only one group stage match remaining in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy... maybe two more maximum if his team makes it to the final. So where will be get the chance? :(
 
Abdullah719 said:
But by the time the Sri Lanka limited-overs series finish, there will be only one group stage match remaining in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy... maybe two more maximum if his team makes it to the final. So where will be get the chance? :(
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Are there any A tours scheduled between the SL ODI series and England test matches?
 
Ellipsism said:
Are there any A tours scheduled between the SL ODI series and England test matches?
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What's an 'A' tour? :najam

I believe there is an 'A' tour of Zimbabwe coming up. Though it was supposed to be in October and we haven't heard anything about it so.... But besides that, I am not aware of any tour in the pipeline.

Anyway, they are usually finalised at the last minute.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Damn that title must burn a lot of people [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] looks like your countrymen have given up all hope on Pakistani Kohli?
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Like Kohli, he's a superior LO player than a test player. Unlike Kohli, he wasn't eased into test cricket whilst batting alongside Sachin. Babar should figure out tests soon enough, it's not like he has a technical problem. Poor decision making is costing him.
 
I always wonder how it must be for Sachin at age 16, against Wasim/Imran/Waqar, given players of today have issues against today's bowlers on today's pitches.

How prepared at domestic level Sachin must be at that time!!!

This is not a comparison post for any players, just had a thought.
 
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Scored 51 in the fourth innings to help SSGC chase down a tricky target on a difficult pitch.
 
What if Babar Azam fails in England and South Africa?

He has enough of failures already in Tests, looking like second coming of faisal iqbal in this format, so can you keep it or gave other youngsters the chance?:shezzy2
 
Then he will be dropped simple as that. But that doesn't change the fact he will still do well in LOI. Just means he is not a test player.
 
Darkrai said:
Then he will be dropped simple as that. But that doesn't change the fact he will still do well in LOI. Just means he is not a test player.
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In ODI's, I believe Babar will fail in South Africa like he did in 5 straight ODI's in New Zealand. And if he does his ODI place really should be reconsidered.
 
Well if he fails then he ll be dropped Hes young enough and good enough to improve Whether he does or not remains to be seen but definetly should be given as many opportunities as possible as hes the best young batsman pakistan has
 
I expect him to fail in SA, probably will in England too although he has a better chance of surviving in England.
 
He will gain nothing if he plays in the pressure free Pakistan domestic cricket. He needs to get himself a county contract somehow.
 
Should be in the squad, but not the XI. Usman should play ahead of him.
 
Babar doing well in game against Northamptonshire - crossed 50
 
Plays a bit away from his body for uk conditions but is a very good player. Needs time and a bit of fine tuning that’s all.
 
As if we are producing elite level batsmen who can take his place. He stays in the team. If Sarfraz has no replacement there certainly isn't one for Babar.
 
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