Is Corruption completely impossible to eliminate in Pakistan?

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We are now almost 3 years into the PTI govt and we still see absolutely zero progress by the NAB against the likes of Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, Asif Zardari, Bilalwal Bhutto, Hamza Shahbaz, Maryam Nawaz and co. No major gigantic sums of money has been successfully plea bargained and the only major sum of money i.e. $4.6 billion was voluntarily given by Malik Riaz as part of a deal that he reached with the Supreme Court.

What makes it worse is that you have these individuals openly roam around scot free in public without any fear in the world of facing any punishment or consequences for what they have done to this country financially. When they finally manage to go to Prison, they get VIP facilities and are able to control their followers and their parties from inside.

We had Nawaz Sharif blatantly lie to the High Court of the country about his illness and is refusing to come back to the country.

We had Yousaf Raza Gillani blatantly caught on camera bribing his way to a Senate Election victory but he, the PPP chairman Bilawal hardly had any fear at all about this episode and in fact they are successfully pretending that it never happened. The High Courts, the Election Commission, the Police or the NAB have not taken any action at all.

Asif Zardari in many interviews openly acknowledges Yes i have stolen all this money, but try to prove my guilt in court.

That inspector who caught Ayan Ali red handed at the Islamabad Airport with $500,000 was murdered in cold blood when all the evidence was leading to PPP's involvement in money laundering to the UAE and the involvement of many influential Pakistani businessmen. In most other countries, the suspects just on the basis of motive alone would have been arrested but in Pakistan, things don't work that way.

The PTI and IK experiment clearly shows that just coming to power in the govt is just cosmetics and being in government means nothing when all the important institutions i.e. Judiciary, Election Commission, NAB, Police, FBR, SBP, Ministries are all filled with bureaucrats who still take their orders from Opposition politicians.

I thought that when Imran Khan came to power, he would make the most of the once in a lifetime opportunity god had given him where he would by brute force put the fear of God into these opposition politicians, bureaucrats who had run merry for the last 30 plus years but he is naively carrying on with the approach that they system if allowed to run on its own will take care of things on its own.

Pakistan hasn't had an Iran Style 1979 revolution, a Taliban style regime yet but i am off the opinion that perhaps that is the only way to quickly clean the system, culture in Pakistan
 
Is Corruption completely impossible to eliminate in World?

HELL YEAH!!!

Deewane ka khwab
 
" Pakistan hasn't had an Iran Style 1979 revolution, a Taliban style regime yet but i am off the opinion that perhaps that is the only way to quickly clean the system, culture in Pakistan"

You know what this is
After body slamming someone you try to choke the opponent out to give tham near death experience

This is what that would do to Pakistan and it's people
 
I had major expectations from IK till the day he came to power in 2018. From that day onwards, he has been a complete let-down and his governance has been riddled with mismanagement, U-turns, incompetency coupled with extreme cowardice.

My gripe with Imran has been that he is all about building up his image and promoting himself as the savior of Pakistan and the Muslim Ummah at large while doing absolutely nothing on the ground. He won the election on the back of his anti-corruption narrative but gave the biggest NRO in Pakistan history by escorting Nawaz to a waiting London-bound plane. He refuses to take a hard stance against the PPP, PML-N and rabid mullahs because he is afraid of public outrage. He has let the status quo to continue unabated; I have not seen him talk about Pakistan’s longstanding issues such as education, health, women rights, violence, extremism, inflation, overpopulation and skills building since coming to power.

All I have seen of IK since he became the prime minister are his constant Twitter ramblings on Modi, France, Islamophobia, RSS and Netflix. This man has been playing to the gallery by invoking religion every other day and by introducing bills such as Islam Protection bill and Finality of Prophethood bill and by holding a prayer bead whilst posing for photos. I expect nothing from Imran Khan even if he wins another term which he will because he is incompetent and a big coward.
 
I had major expectations from IK till the day he came to power in 2018. From that day onwards, he has been a complete let-down and his governance has been riddled with mismanagement, U-turns, incompetency coupled with extreme cowardice.

My gripe with Imran has been that he is all about building up his image and promoting himself as the savior of Pakistan and the Muslim Ummah at large while doing absolutely nothing on the ground. He won the election on the back of his anti-corruption narrative but gave the biggest NRO in Pakistan history by escorting Nawaz to a waiting London-bound plane. He refuses to take a hard stance against the PPP, PML-N and rabid mullahs because he is afraid of public outrage. He has let the status quo to continue unabated; I have not seen him talk about Pakistan’s longstanding issues such as education, health, women rights, violence, extremism, inflation, overpopulation and skills building since coming to power.

All I have seen of IK since he became the prime minister are his constant Twitter ramblings on Modi, France, Islamophobia, RSS and Netflix. This man has been playing to the gallery by invoking religion every other day and by introducing bills such as Islam Protection bill and Finality of Prophethood bill and by holding a prayer bead whilst posing for photos. I expect nothing from Imran Khan even if he wins another term which he will because he is incompetent and a big coward.

He's playing test match cricket. It will take time educating the masses about how they've been shafted by the khandani politics and how deep it's entrenched in the system. I've learnt a lot about Pakistani system since 2018. You're not going to goad him into becoming a tyrant. Let merit rise naturally through the ranks. The corrupt in his party will be exposed and sidelined.
 
It is not possible. Only naive people who live in the west think think that corruption is the root of all evils and can be eliminated in over-populated third world countries.

You should look to minimize corruption to the point where it does not hinder competency but you cannot eliminate if altogether.

Bribes, kickbacks etc. oil the system. They keep the machinery running and without these incentives, nothing will get done especially at the lower level departments.

The root-cause of course is the massive population. A police officer who is already earning peanuts and barely sustaining his family is not going to look into your case when he has a 100 files on his desk already.

The only way he is going to do something about it is if you give him incentives.

This happens in every government department because salaries are low.

An FBR officer, after passing the most competitive exam in Pakistan with a passing rate of about 2%, earns comparable salary after 20+ years of service to a young guy working in the private sector who will not even have the intellect to pass the civil service exams.

When the big corporations and rich business people do not pay taxes, what is he going to do? He cannot put his life in danger and he cannot go back to the government empty-handed, so he has no choice but to strike a deal.

He will fudge the paperwork, reduce the tax owed and pocket some money will ensuring that the system keeps running and both parties (government and taxpayers) get something.

It is possible to achieve progress as development in spite of corruption. India’s example is in front of us. Their is rampant corruption in India but they have focused on building competencies.

PTI government has failed not because it is corrupt but because it is breaking records of incompetence.

When you appoint clueless and unintelligent people like Zulfi Bukhari, Fawad Chaudhry, Zartaj Gul, Firdous Awan, Sheikh Rasheed etc. etc. on important posts, what do you expect?
 
He's playing test match cricket. It will take time educating the masses about how they've been shafted by the khandani politics and how deep it's entrenched in the system. I've learnt a lot about Pakistani system since 2018. You're not going to goad him into becoming a tyrant. Let merit rise naturally through the ranks. The corrupt in his party will be exposed and sidelined.

More like doing tuk tuk in an odi while chasing a huge total. His intentions maybe good but there aren't a lot of overs left ...

Khandani and tribal politics are too deeply entrenched in our society and not something he can get rid of in a 5 year term. Have an election right now and pmln and ppp will still get a huge number of votes so whatever IK wanted to achieve, this was his chance. Even if PTI somehow wins again, it will be by razor thin margins and he wont have any more power than he has now. The hope from IK was that we would make some major reforms in the system in whatever limited time he got in power. Do things like police reform, judiciary reform and land reform. But PTIs goal at least for now has devolved into survival and winning another term. With that goal major reform will never happen.
 
He's playing test match cricket. It will take time educating the masses about how they've been shafted by the khandani politics and how deep it's entrenched in the system. I've learnt a lot about Pakistani system since 2018. You're not going to goad him into becoming a tyrant. Let merit rise naturally through the ranks. The corrupt in his party will be exposed and sidelined.

He has simply forfeited the match!
 
Yes, but it doesn't mean you give up. We have made a start with a clean leader but it's not just his battle, it's for all right minded, moral people to fight.
 
It is not possible. Only naive people who live in the west think think that corruption is the root of all evils and can be eliminated in over-populated third world countries.

You should look to minimize corruption to the point where it does not hinder competency but you cannot eliminate if altogether.

Bribes, kickbacks etc. oil the system. They keep the machinery running and without these incentives, nothing will get done especially at the lower level departments.

The root-cause of course is the massive population. A police officer who is already earning peanuts and barely sustaining his family is not going to look into your case when he has a 100 files on his desk already.

The only way he is going to do something about it is if you give him incentives.

This happens in every government department because salaries are low.

An FBR officer, after passing the most competitive exam in Pakistan with a passing rate of about 2%, earns comparable salary after 20+ years of service to a young guy working in the private sector who will not even have the intellect to pass the civil service exams.

When the big corporations and rich business people do not pay taxes, what is he going to do? He cannot put his life in danger and he cannot go back to the government empty-handed, so he has no choice but to strike a deal.

He will fudge the paperwork, reduce the tax owed and pocket some money will ensuring that the system keeps running and both parties (government and taxpayers) get something.

It is possible to achieve progress as development in spite of corruption. India’s example is in front of us. Their is rampant corruption in India but they have focused on building competencies.

PTI government has failed not because it is corrupt but because it is breaking records of incompetence.

When you appoint clueless and unintelligent people like Zulfi Bukhari, Fawad Chaudhry, Zartaj Gul, Firdous Awan, Sheikh Rasheed etc. etc. on important posts, what do you expect?

Why would a prospective FBR office attempt to take a test (of 2% passing rate) unless he has his eyes set on the cherrypie? Especially if as you say there is a young guy with lesser intellect who can easily get a private job with higher salary?
Seems that the FBR-officer to-be knew what he wanted even before he got embroiled in vicious cycle of corruption.
 
Why would a prospective FBR office attempt to take a test (of 2% passing rate) unless he has his eyes set on the cherrypie? Especially if as you say there is a young guy with lesser intellect who can easily get a private job with higher salary?
Seems that the FBR-officer to-be knew what he wanted even before he got embroiled in vicious cycle of corruption.

Because there is great prestige attached with working in the civil service. You have a lot more respect in society compared to someone working in the private sector, you have great job security and you also get other privileges such as a house, car, servants and free healthcare.

Passing the civil service exams, federal or provincial, is an honor by itself because very few people have the caliber to do it.

It is also greatly increases your knowledge and understanding of current affairs and politics because the extensive study that is required.

The low salary is the only real disadvantage and if these civil servants do some corruption it is understandable. All the other perks do not compensate for the pitiful salary.
 
He's playing test match cricket. It will take time educating the masses about how they've been shafted by the khandani politics and how deep it's entrenched in the system. I've learnt a lot about Pakistani system since 2018. You're not going to goad him into becoming a tyrant. Let merit rise naturally through the ranks. The corrupt in his party will be exposed and sidelined.

Exactly, it will take time to reduce corruption.
 
Pakistan hasn't had an Iran Style 1979 revolution, a Taliban style regime yet but i am off the opinion that perhaps that is the only way to quickly clean the system, culture in Pakistan

Has corruption been removed in Iran, since the Mullahs took power? Mullahs are from the same corrupt society as the rest of Pakistanis. Just look at Diesel.
 
He's playing test match cricket. It will take time educating the masses about how they've been shafted by the khandani politics and how deep it's entrenched in the system. I've learnt a lot about Pakistani system since 2018. You're not going to goad him into becoming a tyrant. Let merit rise naturally through the ranks. The corrupt in his party will be exposed and sidelined.

Sustained Democracy will slowly start to take care of problems in the system

Last think we want is some hothead leader leading us to a revolution
 
You eliminate corruption and the problems are fixed?
Nope.

The reason why corruption exists is because of the poor governance.

I go get my driving license made. I am poor, i have to wait few days before i get it. Another guy who is rich can pay the legal fast processing fee and get his license issued to him same day. The fee is legal as it comes under the fast processing fee.

See the problem isnt corruption. Problem is poor governance and the gap between rich and poor.

My license that will take a week or month could also be printed in real time. Yet they wont print it as i am not paying the legal fee for it.

The countrys governance suxk and there is different law for poor and rich.
To eliminate corruption from all govt organizations they made govt regesered agents to help you out with govt papers. In the past those people worked under the table by charing high fees for their service.

Govt nade them legal and gets a fee. But only the rixh could afford suxh services.

Corruption is just an excuse now for our overseas breathren.
 
The OP mentions Nawaz Shareef lieing, that wasn't corruption.

That was poor governance. Our govt and our military establishment allowed Nawaz to go away. I understand with PTI being in government we cannot say poor governance thus everything that is at fault is corruption, beucase its much easier.

Its like how in cricket section we say Misbah is the fault for everything wrong with our cricket.

Ayyan Ali case happened, atleast the current govt could had opened up the case again. They did not.
 
It is not possible. Only naive people who live in the west think think that corruption is the root of all evils and can be eliminated in over-populated third world countries.

You should look to minimize corruption to the point where it does not hinder competency but you cannot eliminate if altogether.

Bribes, kickbacks etc. oil the system. They keep the machinery running and without these incentives, nothing will get done especially at the lower level departments.

The root-cause of course is the massive population. A police officer who is already earning peanuts and barely sustaining his family is not going to look into your case when he has a 100 files on his desk already.

The only way he is going to do something about it is if you give him incentives.

This happens in every government department because salaries are low.

An FBR officer, after passing the most competitive exam in Pakistan with a passing rate of about 2%, earns comparable salary after 20+ years of service to a young guy working in the private sector who will not even have the intellect to pass the civil service exams.

When the big corporations and rich business people do not pay taxes, what is he going to do? He cannot put his life in danger and he cannot go back to the government empty-handed, so he has no choice but to strike a deal.

He will fudge the paperwork, reduce the tax owed and pocket some money will ensuring that the system keeps running and both parties (government and taxpayers) get something.

It is possible to achieve progress as development in spite of corruption. India’s example is in front of us. Their is rampant corruption in India but they have focused on building competencies.

PTI government has failed not because it is corrupt but because it is breaking records of incompetence.

When you appoint clueless and unintelligent people like Zulfi Bukhari, Fawad Chaudhry, Zartaj Gul, Firdous Awan, Sheikh Rasheed etc. etc. on important posts, what do you expect?

Yet, corruption cannot be defended.

However, you are right about appointment of clueless idiots.

For example, road contracts in Pakistan are never given on the basis of how honest you are. You get road contracts based upon how cunning you are with the system. How you could get an ordered passed and deal with the court and police, because that is more efficient way.

Govt job is to remove all the barriers, but nope they wont because they have no idea of ground realities.
 
Tbh corruption can never be eliminated in any society it can just be reduced enough so the system is competent and runs smoothly. There is rampant corruption in the West but theres incentives for people not to take rishwats as people are paid well in govt roles and civil service roles so they wouldnt need to take a bribe and at the lower level corruption has been stamped out.

Its more the big dogs who do it what Pakistan needs to do is make jobs like police officers civil servants paid well enough so people wont feel the need to be corrupt.

Ive heard Imrans premiership has been more bark than bite i dont think he can eliminate corruption by putting lot of the same chors who in positions of power who have looted the country before.

And the Iranian Mullahs are very corrupt Khamenei has a multi million dollar karobar whilst Iranians suffer due to sanctions he lives like a Shahenshah. That system or Taliban system wont work in Pak at all.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When low level officials take bribes it creates problems for the citizens as speed money is like a tax on them but countries get bankrupted and indebted when the head of state/govt and his ministers are corrupt. <a href="https://t.co/hLPkSWMMvX">pic.twitter.com/hLPkSWMMvX</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1401497988925640712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Corruption is a curse on a country. It hurts the poor and benefits the rich because it destroy all institutions as we have seen in PK. For example in Sindh the Politicians take triple in bribes compared to what they do in Punjab and KP. That is money not spent on schools, roads, seeds and water preservation. Over decades it runs into 100s of billions of dollars.
 
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Wednesday said the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) had been tasked with investigating which individuals had siphoned funds from road construction projects in the country.

Addressing a groundbreaking ceremony in Islamabad for the rehabilitation and upgradation of Balochistan's Jhaljao-Bela Road, the prime minister said the per kilometre cost for the project was cheaper than the cost in the PML-N's tenure despite inflation since then.

"I am thinking if we had made roads at the same rate as today, how much money we would have saved for more roads. This is the loss to the nation that when corrupt people come [in power], they actually steal the nation's wealth.

"I have tasked my team to fully investigate money stolen on [construction of] roads [...] I have also given the FIA the mandate to investigate and bring before the nation who is responsible and who made so much money," the prime minister said.

He added that people should know how much they lose out on due to corruption.

Regarding the project itself, the premier said it was very necessary for Balochistan. He said due to the vastness of Balochistan was, development could not be pursued there without first connecting the region.

He attributed a major reason for the lack of Balochistan's development to the approach of past governments.

"The government which [only] thinks of its five-year election will never develop Balochistan because in that [same] amount of money, it could spend on many places in central Punjab which have a high population and it thinks it is better for it to win the election."

The premier said if Balochistan was to be developed, it would have to be seen as an overall part of Pakistan and all areas of the country would have to be raised up similarly. "We can raise [them] when development is funnelled to those areas which have been left behind," he added.

He explained that raising neglected and backward areas up would not only benefit them but the entire country as well. "This thinking will only come when there is long-term planning in Pakistan [...] if you]re just thinking about the election, then the country will never move forward," the prime minister said.

The premier also held the province's politicians responsible for the situation, saying they too thought about promoting development in their constituencies for the sake of electoral success instead of thinking about Balochistan.

Outlining his government's ideology, the prime minister said: "A country cannot become strong and move forward until there is equitable development which raises all [areas] of the country up. My government has tried since coming into power to help all those areas that have been left behind."

Scorecard

At the end of his tenure, the premier said he hoped to show a "scorecard", which would reflect that the federal and provincial governments had together achieved the kind of development in five years hitherto never done before in Balochistan's history.

According to a statement from the Prime Minister's Office (PMO), the Jhaljao-Bela Road project will "facilitate the movement of the people of Balochistan to other areas and increase their economic, social, industrial, commercial, agricultural, tourism and cultural activities."

It will also create around 3,000 job opportunities for locals, the statement added.

"Jhaljao-Bela Road is also of special importance for the development of trade relations with Iran, Afghanistan and Central Asian states," the PMO said.

DAWN
 
PM directs PAC members to expose corruption of present, past govts

Prime Minister Imran Khan has reiterated that he will not compromise on his ‘anti-corruption drive’ and directed the ruling party lawmakers to expose the wrongdoings of the incumbent and past governments.

According to Express News, the premier made these remarks in a meeting with MNAs Riyaz Fatyana and Noor Alam Khan in Islamabad on Thursday, who are members of the National Assembly’s Public Accounts Committee (PAC).

They briefed the premier on PAC’s performance and added that the committee headed by, opposition MNA Rana Tanveer Hussain, only looked into the audit papers and corruption cases could not be concluded due to the weakness of investigating agencies like NAB and the FIA.While directing the treasury benches members to ensure their attendance in the PAC meeting, PM Imran said the committee is mandated to protect the taxpayers’ money and eradicate corruption but it has failed to produce effective results.

He urged the MNAs to proactively attend the forum’s meetings and unmask the corrupt practices of past and incumbent government officials.

The premier was of the view that opposition members were trying to cover up irregularities that occurred in their tenures.

“You people have a very important role to play, be more active and play a role in highlighting government initiatives,” the premier was quoted as saying during the meeting.

While calling the MNAs ‘seasoned politicians’, PM Imran asked them to inform him forthwith if “anyone tried to hide any wrongdoing”.

“We will not back down from the policy of eradicating the menace of corruption from the country. Bring whoever is involved in corruption under the law,” he added.

Via : https://tribune.com.pk/story/233212...rs-to-expose-corruption-of-present-past-govts
 
It's impossible to completely eradicate in any society or system. All you can do is try to minimise it. I mean, look at the UK, the current government is one of the most corrupt the UK has ever had. Backhanders, jobs for the boys, multi million contracts for the boys and absolutely no shame in any of it.
 
Is there a country in the world that is not corrupt or corrupted in some way? For both individual (human) and institutional (systemic) reasons.
 
You can't eliminate corruption totally in any place. You can at best design a system to minimize it.
 
There are many reasons why corruption persists. One reason must be the ability of us humans to deceive ourselves when convenient to do so. In the specific cases of a corrupt acts, individuals find ways to rationalise their behaviour. Few individuals when engaging in corrupt practice would think that they were a morally bad person. To sleep at night, they find ways to excuse their behaviour, to 'trick' themselves.

Here is a passage from Owen Bennett-Jones’s recent book, The Bhutto Dynasty. Note how Benazir Bhutto rationalises corruption:

If she believed an interlocutor was discreet Benazir would, on occasion, discuss the issue of corruption as a generalised practice. In a surprisingly unguarded interview with the American Academy of Achievement in 2000 she said, while denying personal involvement, that she wished she had done more to tackle corruption: ‘We all knew kickbacks must be taken . . . these things happen.’ Politicians everywhere, she argued, made money. The difference was that while Western politicians did so after they left office, their counterparts in the developing world did not have that option. The US journalist Ron Suskind once put it to her that his high-level sources in the US government had told him that she was making ‘real money’. There was no denial. Rather she said, ‘Let me explain how it works. In your part of the world Dick Cheney is vice president and then he goes to Haliburton to make his money. In this part of the world you make your money whilst you are in office. It is not that different.’ There were many other rationalisations. She had to provide for the next generation. Didn’t her children deserve some compensation for being brought up in the glare of publicity? Should politics lead to her premature death, wasn’t it reasonable that her offspring should have enough to look after themselves? If she had given industrial permits to relatives and friends, what was wrong with that? Wasn’t it fair to make up for what General Zia had taken off them? While Benazir was sometimes willing to have private conversations about these matters, there were lines she would not cross. US Ambassador Robert Oakley, who got to know her well during her first government, later said she would justify making money with the argument: ‘my enemies practised it; why shouldn’t I?’ But the moment Oakley raised Zardari’s alleged activities, she would clam up, with strong denials of any wrongdoing. ‘She was fiercely defensive about her husband. She was terribly in love with him; she could never deny him anything. And he took and takes advantage of that.’ The only time that Benazir gave any ground on Zardari came when it was politically expedient for her to do so. In 2001, when she was at the start of her long campaign to return for a third stint as prime minister, she faced a barrage of criticism about Zardari’s conduct during the first and second governments. For PPP loyalists, nervous of criticising Benazir, it was convenient to say that all the corruption had been his fault and he had led her astray, and that if she wanted to make a comeback, she should do so alone. She responded to this criticism with unusual frankness: ‘OK. He is not an angel. Maybe he did things that were wrong. He is man enough to say, “I did it” in a fair and impartial enquiry. But what about all those others . . .’
 
Corruption exists because the average Pakistan has been fed on corruption. But take that Pakistani out of Pakistan and he/she becomes a model citizen following rules and regulations.

Overseas Pakistan should teach their local countrymen how to behave as responsible citizens.
 
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Corruption exists because the average Pakistan has been fed on corruption. But take that Pakistani out of Pakistan and he/she becomes a model citizen following rules and regulations.

Overseas Pakistan should teach their local countrymen how to behave as responsible citizens.

These same overseas pakistanis when they return back to pakistan, they will try to call someone from their family to help them make sure the custom officials at the airport doest charge them any money and they can easily enter with imported goods in the country..
 
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These same overseas pakistanis when they return back to pakistan, they will try to call someone from their family to help them make sure the custom officials at the airport doest charge them any money and they can easily enter with imported goods in the country..

completely agree with it.
I was told to bring 2 iphones. When i told my relatives what if i was questioned by Customs, there were like do not worry we have connections there. No one will say thing to you.
I was in Pakistan last year. Went to CMH for my cousin's wife appointment. We were told to go registration's office to pay the fee. There were almost 200 people on line. My cousin came back and gave the guy 500 rupees to skip the line. He happily accept it.

We went to KPK. My cousin was driving without license. When the officer stopped and asked him for license. My cousin was like "sir g muk maka ker lain" he was let go for 300 rupees.
 
Cops suspended for ‘stopping judge from using foggy motorway’

LAHORE: The National Highways and Motorway Police (NHMP) has suspended two patrolling officers from service, allegedly for stopping an anti-terrorism court judge from travelling on Sialkot Motorway (M-II) that was closed due to fog.

According to NHMP sources, the Sialkot-Lahore Motorway was closed for traffic due to fog three days ago, when the official vehicle of an ATC judge and the police squad accompanying it forcibly crossed the barrier at Muridke interchange and entered the motorway around 8:30am.

They say that on receiving a call from the NHMP headquarters, two patrolling officers — Shakir Ali and Haider Ali — stopped the judge’s vehicle at the next interchange. The patrolling officer challaned the vehicles for forcibly entering the motorway.

A footage circulating on social media showed that the patrolling officers had stopped the judge’s convoy and were preparing challan of the vehicles.

A policeman, on the condition of anonymity, told Dawn the judge was annoyed over stopping of his convoy and threatened to “hold the court on the motorway and start proceedings against the patrolling officers under terrorism sections for stopping him.”

He termed the suspension of patrolling officers unjustified, saying they were just enforcing the law. He demanded the chief justice of Pakistan to order an inquiry into the incident and “provide justice to the two patrolling officers”.

The NHMP spokesperson was not available for his comments.

DAWN
 
Honestly half the threads are filled with copy paste news articles that noone reads and noone comes into threads as they're a pain to browse past the massive walls of text on the phone and laptop.
 
IMRAN KHAN UNDERLINES NEED FOR RULE OF LAW TO ERADICATE CORRUPTION

LAHORE: Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chairman and former prime minister Imran Khan has underscored the need for rule of law in the country for eradicating corruption, ARY News reported on Friday.

In his message on the occasion of World Corruption Day today, Imran Khan termed the decrease in foreign reserves, as the biggest problem for poor countries.

The weak currency ultimately results in an increase in inflation, Imran Khan said. Lambasting the PDM-led government, the former prime minister alleged said the current rulers have been given ‘licnence to steal’.

He said the recent amendments in the NAB law have made tracing white-collar crime impossible.

While giving examples of China and other countries, Imran Khan said the progress of any country is linked with the rule of rule.

Pakistan cannot progress until the elimination of big corruption cases.

International Anti-Corruption Day is being observed today with an aim to create awareness and highlight the dangerous effects of corruption on society.

The day encourages a global fight against corruption and urges all governments to join hands against it.

ARY
 
Only an Islamic system can completely eradicate corruption from Pak. Nothing else will do least of all western style democracy will only bring further misery to the country.
 
Only an Islamic system can completely eradicate corruption from Pak. Nothing else will do least of all western style democracy will only bring further misery to the country.

Can you elaborate how an Islamic system will eliminate corruption. Please give some specific examples on how that will work. Is there an Islamic system in place in any country , if so are they corruption free? Iran ha/ an Islamic system? Afghanistan?
 
Can you elaborate how an Islamic system will eliminate corruption. Please give some specific examples on how that will work. Is there an Islamic system in place in any country , if so are they corruption free? Iran ha/ an Islamic system? Afghanistan?

Although Saudi is not a good example of an Islamic system, its a corruption free society.
 
Saudi Arabia is the 52 least corrupt nation out of 180 countries, according to the 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index reported by Transparency International
 
Here is the world corruption index link. Top 20 countries are non muslim. UAE cracks in at 24 Qatar 31 and Saudi 52https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
 
Too 20 least corrupt nations are almost all european. Actually north european and Scandinavian . The most secular nations on the plant.
 
When your top Generals not only side with the corrupt but subvert the whole judicial system to protect the corrupt and your CJP is a coward, then you have no chance. We had two great chances in the last 20 years- once with Mush and then now. Both opportunities have gone and the worst of the worst are not only not in prison but actually in power
 
Too 20 least corrupt nations are almost all european. Actually north european and Scandinavian . The most secular nations on the plant.

Using the Corruption Perceptions Index, of the 20 most corrupt nations I see the following 14 as secular states:

Eritrea
Republic of the Congo
Guinea-Bissau
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Haiti
Nicaragua
Sudan
Chad
Burundi
Turkmenistan
Equatorial Guinea
North Korea
Venezuela
South Sudan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state

If being secular equaled less corrupt than these countries would not be more corrupt than Qatar, Saudi, UAE.

It seems the European, and East Asian states are less corrupt than African, Latin American, Central Asian, South Asian countries. So it has more with culture than whether a country is secular or not secular.
 
Can you elaborate how an Islamic system will eliminate corruption. Please give some specific examples on how that will work. Is there an Islamic system in place in any country , if so are they corruption free? Iran ha/ an Islamic system? Afghanistan?

You don't know what an Islamic system is? No nepotism or anything like that. Quick decisions by the court punishing the guilty as soon as possible. Iran nor Saudi are good examples they only use "Islam" for political gain.
 
Using the Corruption Perceptions Index, of the 20 most corrupt nations I see the following 14 as secular states:

Eritrea
Republic of the Congo
Guinea-Bissau
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Haiti
Nicaragua
Sudan
Chad
Burundi
Turkmenistan
Equatorial Guinea
North Korea
Venezuela
South Sudan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state

If being secular equaled less corrupt than these countries would not be more corrupt than Qatar, Saudi, UAE.

It seems the European, and East Asian states are less corrupt than African, Latin American, Central Asian, South Asian countries. So it has more with culture than whether a country is secular or not secular.

Someone in this thread was implying religion plays a part for a country to be less corrupt. I was stating the top countries are secular so I don’t think religion plays a part . At least not a significant part
 
Someone in this thread was implying religion plays a part for a country to be less corrupt. I was stating the top countries are secular so I don’t think religion plays a part . At least not a significant part

Yea I agree with this.
 
Only an Islamic system can completely eradicate corruption from Pak. Nothing else will do least of all western style democracy will only bring further misery to the country.

If shariah law is implemented then corruption can be controlled to a great extent , but 100 % elimination is not possible. But under shariah laws it will be dealt with exemplerary manner .
 
If shariah law is implemented then corruption can be controlled to a great extent , but 100 % elimination is not possible. But under shariah laws it will be dealt with exemplerary manner .
This is not based on anything factual. This is an emotional statement.
 
I dont think corruption can be completely eliminated. The Scandinavian countries have done very very well. Answering you post 54#
 
When a political party takes a cut in contracts, that is called corruption. Don't think that has sunk us much as a country.

But what is it called when your biggest institution takes up 90% of your budget and has been doing so for 75 years. Surely you need to use a world like robbery.
 
Only an Islamic system can completely eradicate corruption from Pak. Nothing else will do least of all western style democracy will only bring further misery to the country.

Will you be elaborating on this? With examples
 
I dont think corruption can be completely eliminated. The Scandinavian countries have done very very well. Answering you post 54#

In post 50 I wrote the same thing , with different words. I said proper implementation of shariah laws can control corruption to great extent. I did not say it will make corruption 0 %
 
In post 50 I wrote the same thing , with different words. I said proper implementation of shariah laws can control corruption to great extent. I did not say it will make corruption 0 %

Do you have any data from this magical period you talk about?
 
If shariah law is implemented then corruption can be controlled to a great extent , but 100 % elimination is not possible. But under shariah laws it will be dealt with exemplerary manner .

If the most corrupt are punished then it can be ended out rightly I feel.
 
Will you be elaborating on this? With examples

Can't give an example when there is no country in the world that follows Islamic jurisprudence. As a Muslim believes Islam to be perfect then all it's laws are perfect too.
 
The law should be above the rulers , it should be same for rich or poor. This is the key.

That is exactly what Islam preaches. We can see during the Hajj how Muslim celebrities are treated just like common people. No one gives them any special treatment.
 
Pakistan makes no improvement on corruption perception index, ranks 140 out of 180 countries: report

Pakistan failed to make any improvement on the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) in 2022 as the country ranked 140 out of 180 countries — a position unchanged from the last year, Transparency International said in a report on Tuesday.

The CPI, which measures how corrupt a country’s public sector is perceived to be by its experts and businesspeople, uses a scale of zero to 100 where zero is highly corrupt and 100 is very clean.

While Pakistan’s rank was unchanged, its score dropped to 27 from 28 last year. There was no change in India’s score, while Bangladesh’s dropped to 25 from 26 last year.

Under the PTI government, the ranking of Pakistan gradually slid. In 2019, it was 120 out of 180 countries, in 2020, it was 124, in 2021 it worsened further to 140. However, the PTI government lost power through a parliament vote in April 2021, paving the way for a new coalition government with representation from major political parties — the PML-N and the PPP.

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https://www.dawn.com/news/1734581/p...n-index-ranks-140-out-of-180-countries-report
 
‘Discrepancy’ of Rs320b accepted
Raises questions over credibility of figures released

The federal statistical discrepancy – a term used to describe untraceable expenses or unknown revenues – shot up dangerously to nearly Rs320 billion during the first half of this fiscal year, admitted the Ministry of Finance on Wednesday.

The fiscal operations summary report for the July-December 2022 period showed that due to a huge discrepancy, the federal government’s total expenses did not match with its current expenditures – causing another inconsistency in numbers.

The report showed that there was no trace of Rs319.6 billion of the federal government’s spending or revenues, which the finance ministry has described as a “statistical discrepancy”, reflecting the poor working of the finance ministry’s budget wing.

As a result, the federal government’s total expenditure has been shown at Rs4.247 trillion – Rs147 billion less than the current expenses of Rs4.390 trillion, as shown by the finance ministry.

The huge discrepancies raise questions over the credibility of the figures released by the ministry, a dilemma that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) is also facing.
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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2400197/discrepancy-of-rs320b-accepted
 
FTO orders probe into Rs14.9b ST refund fraud
Order reveals booking of tractors was made by black money investors for commission by concealing tax

The Federal Tax Ombudsman (FTO) has ordered the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) to investigate alleged tax fraud committed by Millat Tractors Ltd (MTL) against payment of inadmissible sales tax refund of Rs14.887 billion for 2017-22 period.

The FTO issued its detailed order last week in favour of the growers of Sindh, who had complained through a senior vice president of the Sindh Chamber of Agriculture (SCA), Hyderabad.

The complainants alleged illegal payment of sales tax refund worth billions of rupees to the MTL, Lahore through “self-made documents against transactions made through black money, by using fake and flying invoices, benami names and unrelated CNIC numbers, which were never audited by the FBR.

The FTO's order revealed that booking of tractors were made by black money investors, who themselves were not shown as buyers, growers or farmers rather they were only carrying on the purchase and sale of tractors for commission by concealing tax.

It added that the tractors invoiced in the names of unrelated Benami persons, who purchased the tractors without agricultural land holding and mostly used for the purposes other than agriculture ie, industry, trolleying bricks and construction material, digging of land, cleaning of garbage etc.

According to the findings of the FTO's order, the core issue was the allegation of tax fraud on payment of inadmissible sales tax refund of Rs14.887 billion during the tax periods from July 2017 to June 2022, without adhering to mandatory conditions mentioned in the Section 73 of Sales Tax Act.

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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2400876/fto-orders-probe-into-rs149b-st-refund-fraud
 
The ex-husband of Bushra Bibi, Khawar Farid Manika, has been arrested at the Allama Iqbal International Airport in Lahore on Monday.
Source: Dawn
 
A local court in Okara on Wednesday sent Khawar Maneka, the ex-husband of former first lady Bushra Bibi, to jail on a 14-day judicial remand in corruption case, ARY News reported.

Senior Civil Judge, Abrar Ali Khan, heard the case and rejected police request seeking an extension in the physical remand of Mankea.

According to anti-corruption, Khawar Maneka got a marriage hall and some shops constructed illegally on the land of a cemetery in Haveli Lakha. On the reference of the Okara deputy commissioner, an inquiry is underway against him.


On September 25, the Punjab Anti-Corruption Establishment arrested Khawar Farid Maneka, ex-husband of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan’s wife Bushra Bibi, on illegal construction charges in Lahore.

An ACE spokesperson confirmed the arrest of Maneka saying that he was apprehended on charges of illegally constructing a marriage hall on the cemetery land.

Maneka is a senior official of Customs department, belonging to Pakpattan and is a spiritual devotee of the 13th century mystic Baba Farid Ganj Shakkar.

Source: ARY
 
Need some digital infrastructure to minimize human involvement, that will also make a small dent in the corruption but will not eliminate it entirely.
 
Need some digital infrastructure to minimize human involvement, that will also make a small dent in the corruption but will not eliminate it entirely.
It's become a cultural thing and no amount digitisation will help if they guys behind the machine are still corrupt and can override decisions. Why would a guy at the bottom not take everything he can as everyone at the top is rewarded for their ability to be corrupt.
 
A local court in Okara on Wednesday sent Khawar Maneka, the ex-husband of former first lady Bushra Bibi, to jail on a 14-day judicial remand in corruption case, ARY News reported.

Senior Civil Judge, Abrar Ali Khan, heard the case and rejected police request seeking an extension in the physical remand of Mankea.

According to anti-corruption, Khawar Maneka got a marriage hall and some shops constructed illegally on the land of a cemetery in Haveli Lakha. On the reference of the Okara deputy commissioner, an inquiry is underway against him.


On September 25, the Punjab Anti-Corruption Establishment arrested Khawar Farid Maneka, ex-husband of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan’s wife Bushra Bibi, on illegal construction charges in Lahore.

An ACE spokesperson confirmed the arrest of Maneka saying that he was apprehended on charges of illegally constructing a marriage hall on the cemetery land.

Maneka is a senior official of Customs department, belonging to Pakpattan and is a spiritual devotee of the 13th century mystic Baba Farid Ganj Shakkar.

Source: ARY
This was then used to blackmail him so that he ended up doing a press conference against IK and his ex. I bet unless they want something else from him, this case will be quietly dropped.
 
It's not about any institution where we can eliminate corruption it has become a virus that has destroyed the whole system.
 
Corruption can never be eliminated, it can only be dealt with by respected authorities who are trusted by the public.
 
Corruption is hard to eliminate completely even in first world countries. But, it can be reduced with correct laws and strict implementations of those laws.
 
True 👏
If the authorities can just be a bit more transparent so we know to who and how much to pay to get something done.
It's become a cultural thing and no amount digitisation will help if they guys behind the machine are still corrupt and can override decisions. Why would a guy at the bottom not take everything he can as everyone at the top is rewarded for their ability to be corrupt.
 
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