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Is Cricket losing its integrity?

Obviously boards/ administrators/ politicians take the bulk of blame for damaging fair play and integrity of cricket.

However, there is one cricketer who stands out for his own contributions to the downfall- SKY. A nothing statesman and a tool.
 
Obviously boards/ administrators/ politicians take the bulk of blame for damaging fair play and integrity of cricket.

However, there is one cricketer who stands out for his own contributions to the downfall- SKY. A nothing statesman and a tool.

SKY is a T20 hack and a man with no backbone/principle.

He is like French fries. Low nutritional value. :inti
 
SKY is a T20 hack and a man with no backbone/principle.

He is like French fries. Low nutritional value. :inti
He’s been following directions so far but I think a more mature person or a decent human being could have handled things differently.

He doesn’t perform against pak, has some sort of mental block there so don’t know what big performances he has as I don’t follow IPL.
 
While I appreciate the genuine feelings, I think there's way too much pearl clutching going on.

We're living in a world where
- China will threaten anyone who establishes any relations with a free democratic nation with a 75 year history with the direst consequences
- The US kidnaps sovereign Heads of State and takes away another country's oil from the high seas
- Russia invades another country and brutalises it's citizens for acting independently and thinking of joining a rival alliance

I dislike India's petty politics in cricket even though I'm an Indian but to say that a country whose viewership which is single handedly financing the whole sport should refrain from taking the slightest advantage is going against the entire history of human nature.

Now of course it's Pakistan's choice to bring down of one the pillars holding up the global cricket edifice down because they believe they've been treated badly but again I have to laugh if anyone believes they're acting purely morally and they wouldn't do exactly this and worse if they had the whip hand.

Perhaps sports only reach an equilibrium of stability when there are multiple powers like football, rugby or there is only one clear single power that everyone accepts like baseball or basketball. All other formulations are inherently unstable and eventually reach a crisis point.
I think I do agree with the central tenet of your argument that any nation that wields power will exercise it to its own benefit — that is the way of the world and indeed the way that England and Australia behaved when they ran predecessors to the ICC.

My point is that cricket is not like other “global” sports, in that it is played by a handful of countries and, in practice, it’s only the predominant sport in South Asian countries.
In Australia it is behind Aussie Rules, in SA behind both rugby and football, NZ behind rugby.
In England it is hard to overemphasise how niche cricket is — played by ca 10% of school children (predominantly private schools and/or of South Asian origin).Football is all pervasive.

If international cricket (as opposed to franchise cricket) is to survive (which I think is increasingly unlikely) then India needs to play a more active role in ensuring some degree of equality — perhaps behaving more like a benign autocrat, rather than a dictator.

That’s said, it may be understandable for them to say, “why should we care ?”
The IPL is the preeminent franchise event and its owners are increasingly having global influence (SA, The Hundred etc).
However, cricket as a global entity would suffer.

This is why I don’t entirely understand the angst of the Indian posters on here — the withdrawal of Pakistan from the fixture with India will ultimately hit ICC revenue (broadcasters will inevitably want to renegotiate deals) and as a consequence the revenue distribution to smaller countries will diminish.
Under the premise of “India First” that shouldn’t worry them.
 
I think I do agree with the central tenet of your argument that any nation that wields power will exercise it to its own benefit — that is the way of the world and indeed the way that England and Australia behaved when they ran predecessors to the ICC.

My point is that cricket is not like other “global” sports, in that it is played by a handful of countries and, in practice, it’s only the predominant sport in South Asian countries.
In Australia it is behind Aussie Rules, in SA behind both rugby and football, NZ behind rugby.
In England it is hard to overemphasise how niche cricket is — played by ca 10% of school children (predominantly private schools and/or of South Asian origin).Football is all pervasive.

If international cricket (as opposed to franchise cricket) is to survive (which I think is increasingly unlikely) then India needs to play a more active role in ensuring some degree of equality — perhaps behaving more like a benign autocrat, rather than a dictator.

That’s said, it may be understandable for them to say, “why should we care ?”
The IPL is the preeminent franchise event and its owners are increasingly having global influence (SA, The Hundred etc).
However, cricket as a global entity would suffer.

This is why I don’t entirely understand the angst of the Indian posters on here — the withdrawal of Pakistan from the fixture with India will ultimately hit ICC revenue (broadcasters will inevitably want to renegotiate deals) and as a consequence the revenue distribution to smaller countries will diminish.
Under the premise of “India First” that shouldn’t worry them.
I agree with most of what you've said and I agree it's almost inevitable now that cricket as a global entity will suffer. I won't add anything but only respond to the bolded bit at the end.

The angst among Indian posters (except for a few like me) is not that the match is lost. It's that Pakistan got one over India and cancelled the match when India didn't dare and kept counting the money. It's not that are upset Pakistan did something stupid...it's that they wish India did this stupid thing first.

Though they won't admit it, they want to see Pakistan punished for this temerity and they know the BCCI through the force of it's financials and influence over the ICC is in a position to do just that. That gloating is what you're seeing as angst.
 
I agree with most of what you've said and I agree it's almost inevitable now that cricket as a global entity will suffer. I won't add anything but only respond to the bolded bit at the end.

The angst among Indian posters (except for a few like me) is not that the match is lost. It's that Pakistan got one over India and cancelled the match when India didn't dare and kept counting the money. It's not that are upset Pakistan did something stupid...it's that they wish India did this stupid thing first.

Though they won't admit it, they want to see Pakistan punished for this temerity and they know the BCCI through the force of it's financials and influence over the ICC is in a position to do just that. That gloating is what you're seeing as angst.
Yes, I think that is a fair summary.
 
Cricket used to be a gentlemen’s game.

Then BCCI made it a greedy men’s game.

And now Pakistan are making it a coward people’s game.
 
The International Cricket Council has pre-determined the Super 8 groups if the eight seeded sides qualify:

X Group: India (X1), Australia (X2), West Indies (X3), South Africa (X4)

Y Group: England (Y1), New Zealand (Y2), Pakistan (Y3), Sri Lanka (Y4)

(Source: BBC)

What a mockery, again India gets to pick and choose venues, schedules, opponents. Cricket is a complete farce at this time.

Pre-determined seeding in super 8 goes contrary to the basics of fairness and equality.
 
The International Cricket Council has pre-determined the Super 8 groups if the eight seeded sides qualify:

X Group: India (X1), Australia (X2), West Indies (X3), South Africa (X4)

Y Group: England (Y1), New Zealand (Y2), Pakistan (Y3), Sri Lanka (Y4)

(Source: BBC)

What a mockery, again India gets to pick and choose venues, schedules, opponents. Cricket is a complete farce at this time.

Pre-determined seeding in super 8 goes contrary to the basics of fairness and equality.
One good reason is that to prevent logistic issues due to random ranks .If pak qualifies to India's group for super 8 format,then its difficult for organisers to change the venues on short notice.They may have to refund the tickets to buyers and sell them again for new matches.Last time also they fixed the seedlings as movement between west indies islands was difficult. In next world cup in Australia (28), we may see new format like 22 wc.



By the way Which group u prefer to play ? Nz, eng , pak group to qualify or India's group? I will prefer easy group like pak than to fight with heavy weights Aus/Sa.Pak and eng in sub continental are definition of minnows.India missed a golden chance due to this seedings.
 
One good reason is that to prevent logistic issues due to random ranks .If pak qualifies to India's group for super 8 format,then its difficult for organisers to change the venues on short notice.They may have to refund the tickets to buyers and sell them again for new matches.Last time also they fixed the seedlings as movement between west indies islands was difficult. In next world cup in Australia (28), we may see new format like 22 wc.
It’s a shame that pre-determined seeding happened for this tournament. The reason presented that this is to accommodate Pak and Ind’s preconditions this had to be done is part of the problem. No more fixing of schedules/groups/venues to accommodate ind OR pak is the way forward. Any justification for special treatment doesn’t have legs to stand on.

By the way Which group u prefer to play ? Nz, eng , pak group to qualify or India's group? I will prefer easy group like pak than to fight with heavy weights Aus/Sa.Pak and eng in sub continental are definition of minnows.India missed a golden chance due to this seedings.
I would prefer a group that’s been determined on fair, unadulterated processes not predetermined seeding.
 
It’s a shame that pre-determined seeding happened for this tournament. The reason presented that this is to accommodate Pak and Ind’s preconditions this had to be done is part of the problem. No more fixing of schedules/groups/venues to accommodate ind OR pak is the way forward. Any justification for special treatment doesn’t have legs to stand on.

I would prefer a group that’s been determined on fair, unadulterated processes not predetermined seeding.
Even in 2007 odi wc, seedings were pre determined. pak & india were ousted in groups itslef most embarrassingly.performance is never related to seeding as Australia have shown it out in this wc.
 
it has, mainly due to the indians, - bcci are the most corrupt board ever in any sport, at any time.
 
Might as well get the thread started.

1) will they lump India and Pakistan together in the same group?
1a) is there any reason to? Certainly its a dead rubber at this point with a marginal advantage and massive headaches for ICC.

2) will they make England play in Zimbabwe. After all, they sit on their high horse of sport and politics. Make them play al their games in Zimbabwe
 
Might as well get the thread started.

1) will they lump India and Pakistan together in the same group?
1a) is there any reason to? Certainly its a dead rubber at this point with a marginal advantage and massive headaches for ICC.

2) will they make England play in Zimbabwe. After all, they sit on their high horse of sport and politics. Make them play al their games in Zimbabwe
I think they just might. They next World Cup is not in the subcontinent so they won’t need to hard code venues and/or seedings and the logistics will be a lot simpler. Given that an India-Pakistan match is a marquee event, there is no reason for the ICC to not try and make money. That said, it’ll also depend on what broadcasting rights they have already sold and opposition from either India or Pakistan against the pre-decided matchup as well as foregoing the money payable to the different boards that the ICC generates from this match. It’s a complicated thing and the ICC will earn its keep making these decisions.

Yeah, make England drag their sorry behinds and play in Zimbabwe 🤣.
 
Cricket lost a bit of integrity ever since Dalmiya decided to destroy cricket with stupidity (i.e., overcommercialization). That started the rot.

Cricket needs to be freed from Indian grip. That's the only real solution. Everything else is just a band-aid. :inti
 
I think they just might. They next World Cup is not in the subcontinent so they won’t need to hard code venues and/or seedings and the logistics will be a lot simpler. Given that an India-Pakistan match is a marquee event, there is no reason for the ICC to not try and make money. That said, it’ll also depend on what broadcasting rights they have already sold and opposition from either India or Pakistan against the pre-decided matchup as well as foregoing the money payable to the different boards that the ICC generates from this match. It’s a complicated thing and the ICC will earn its keep making these decisions.

Yeah, make England drag their sorry behinds and play in Zimbabwe 🤣.
Do the current rights go through the next WC or is it up for renewal before the WC?

If the renewal is before the WC in SA, then big changes will be in place. A lot lower $$ from the rights to India. Could also include multiple clauses specific to Ind-Pak games. To protect the broadcaster's rear end.

Given the above, it's quite possible ICC sticks to seeding rather than made up/forced Ind-Pak matches. Thus saving the ICC a lot of headache. More importantly, sparing fans of all the drama!

Eng in Zim is a whole another pandora's box. Will be interesting when that is opened.
 
Do the current rights go through the next WC or is it up for renewal before the WC?

If the renewal is before the WC in SA, then big changes will be in place. A lot lower $$ from the rights to India. Could also include multiple clauses specific to Ind-Pak games. To protect the broadcaster's rear end.

Given the above, it's quite possible ICC sticks to seeding rather than made up/forced Ind-Pak matches. Thus saving the ICC a lot of headache. More importantly, sparing fans of all the drama!

Eng in Zim is a whole another pandora's box. Will be interesting when that is opened.
Current rights in place will cover the 2027 ODI WC
 
Cricket indeed has lost its integrity since erst while Pakistan and erstwhile East Pakistan conspired to keep WI out of automatic qualification for WC.

What else can explain the collapse yesterday and the uninspired bowling by PCT?
 
Yes losing integrity and interest. Ind’s unfair dominance of cricketing resources, t20 prevalence, together with PCB being PCB have left pak test fans with little to cheer for. Ind’s poor record vs SENA opponents at home has been a glimmer of hope i.e., Ind fans will wake up, smell the coffee and demand change in how cricket is run.
 
Yes losing integrity and interest. Ind’s unfair dominance of cricketing resources, t20 prevalence, together with PCB being PCB have left pak test fans with little to cheer for. Ind’s poor record vs SENA opponents at home has been a glimmer of hope i.e., Ind fans will wake up, smell the coffee and demand change in how cricket is run.

Cricket became a farce after 2015 (maybe even way before that). :inti

It is farcical when India get venue perks, scheduling perks etc. in all ICC events.
 
Cricket became a farce after 2015 (maybe even way before that). :inti

It is farcical when India get venue perks, scheduling perks etc. in all ICC events.
I think the demise started long before. Big 3 model came before 2015 which was a huge blow to the integrity of cricket. Other major losses for cricket prior to 2015 include the de facto banning of pak players in IPL, foreign linked attacks on SL team in Pak, and the subsequent snatching of hosting rights from pak for 2011 ODI WC.

LOI cricket these days is largely meaningless and unless India plays pak in tests without prejudice, I am afraid WTC will also be rendered the same.
 
I think the demise started long before. Big 3 model came before 2015 which was a huge blow to the integrity of cricket. Other major losses for cricket prior to 2015 include the de facto banning of pak players in IPL, foreign linked attacks on SL team in Pak, and the subsequent snatching of hosting rights from pak for 2011 ODI WC.

LOI cricket these days is largely meaningless and unless India plays pak in tests without prejudice, I am afraid WTC will also be rendered the same.
If my memory serves me right, the PCB was the one that barred its players from participating in the IPL.

As far as the WTC goes, it has been a farce from it's begining. No one wants it. This includes the ICC, who apparently run it!

Given the choice, Pak, SL, WI, BD will get out of playing WTC/tests in a mili second. SA and NZ might think about it a minute or two and pull out too.

And the ICC's views on WTC? Well, you just have to go back to how the WTC came into being to find out. They were dragged kicking and screaming to the table to start it. They do not want to touch WTC with a ten foot pole. That to for hosting a grand total of.....one match!
 
Cricket has turned into a joke and isn't worth watching these days.

My sincere advice to all of you, discuss cricket and revisit memories but don't invest your time, money and emotions in watching live games.
 
Enjoying the AT Copeiums Gravy

The mirch

The Masale

The squirming like greased eels on an electrified ice rink...😃

Keep it coming guyzzz...

Pease also throw in the

'Sab koch India ka Saazish'
AT Diamonds💎....😁

Whilst @ it a copious dose of how Q K Nizam was also rigged to benefit India won't hurt🤣

Basically everything that India win,

And in the last 24 odd months there's been a fair fantastic bit,

Has added to the 'loss of collective integrity ' in world cricket...😁💪👌

Sweeettt soooo suvvvweeettttt

Suuupppeeerr Suvvvweeettttt!!!

Pro-Ultra-Max!!!

& Long may it continue - on loop - 24/7/365/6 - Cheers 🥂 🪔🔥🏆💎✌️💪🚩💯🍻🎇😘👏👍
 
I think the demise started long before. Big 3 model came before 2015 which was a huge blow to the integrity of cricket. Other major losses for cricket prior to 2015 include the de facto banning of pak players in IPL, foreign linked attacks on SL team in Pak, and the subsequent snatching of hosting rights from pak for 2011 ODI WC.

LOI cricket these days is largely meaningless and unless India plays pak in tests without prejudice, I am afraid WTC will also be rendered the same.
Were you expecting anything different after what happened to the Sri Lankan team in Pakistan back in 2009?
 
Cricket is all about money... A plethora of Leagues and money flowing has made this sport just a money-making machine. Nobody cares about sportsmanship. Not a gentleman's game anymore
 
Cricket is all about money... A plethora of Leagues and money flowing has made this sport just a money-making machine. Nobody cares about sportsmanship. Not a gentleman's game anymore
Sports is about money. Cricket is no different. You take the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, Tennis, Golf, Soccer. It's reality of life.

You take money out of cricket, you will lose talent coming into the game. Some may say, cricket was thriving before money was infused into the game. But in this day and age, it is not possible. Especially, now that players, administrators, team owners, cricket boards et all have tasted $$$. No one would want to go back.
 
Sports is about money. Cricket is no different. You take the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, Tennis, Golf, Soccer. It's reality of life.

You take money out of cricket, you will lose talent coming into the game. Some may say, cricket was thriving before money was infused into the game. But in this day and age, it is not possible. Especially, now that players, administrators, team owners, cricket boards et all have tasted $$$. No one would want to go back.
We know who and who infused money to the game. We know people who still salivate the pre BCCI days because they have no stake in the game.​
 
I think the demise started long before. Big 3 model came before 2015 which was a huge blow to the integrity of cricket. Other major losses for cricket prior to 2015 include the de facto banning of pak players in IPL, foreign linked attacks on SL team in Pak, and the subsequent snatching of hosting rights from pak for 2011 ODI WC.

LOI cricket these days is largely meaningless and unless India plays pak in tests without prejudice, I am afraid WTC will also be rendered the same.
You have equated cricket's demise with the decline of Pakistan's cricket and singled out India as the precipitating factor for Pakistan's decline.

Pakistan have been in decline since well before that .
 
Only loses integrity because indian cricket team is doing well.

Brilliant take that , absolutely brilliant.
 
We know who and who infused money to the game. We know people who still salivate the pre BCCI days because they have no stake in the game.

Countries are getting more money out of cricket than what they were getting when ECB was running it. There is no cricketing board (ECB included) who would want to go back to that status now.
 
foreign linked attacks on SL team in Pak, and the subsequent snatching of hosting rights from pak for 2011 ODI WC.

It's almost 20 years since that attack and there have been no credible information regarding the foreign hand w.r.t the attacks on the srilankan team.

And do you honestly believe that Pakistan would still be allowed to host the world cup in 2011 considering what happened to the Lankan team in 2008 ?
 
Enjoying the AT Copeiums Gravy

The mirch

The Masale

The squirming like greased eels on an electrified ice rink...😃

Keep it coming guyzzz...

Pease also throw in the

'Sab koch India ka Saazish'
AT Diamonds💎....😁

Whilst @ it a copious dose of how Q K Nizam was also rigged to benefit India won't hurt🤣

Basically everything that India win,

And in the last 24 odd months there's been a fair fantastic bit,

Has added to the 'loss of collective integrity ' in world cricket...😁💪👌

Sweeettt soooo suvvvweeettttt

Suuupppeeerr Suvvvweeettttt!!!

Pro-Ultra-Max!!!

& Long may it continue - on loop - 24/7/365/6 - Cheers 🥂 🪔🔥🏆💎✌️💪🚩💯🍻🎇😘👏👍
Haha yes India is the ‘villain’ of modern day cricket. BCCI does a fair bit of bullying and hasn’t won fans for all the unfair advantages it gets which is why at present, cricket wins when Ind loses 🤣 . Thankfully you guys enjoy the cope and don’t get offended by it.

Talking about sazish narrative though, we witnessed Ind posters coming up with absurd narratives of fixing during the recent Pak-SL game in t20 wc. So pak posters aren’t the only ones who rely on conspiracy theories when things don’t go their way. It’s a different matter that we have to rely on them a lot more than our Indian friends.
 
Were you expecting anything different after what happened to the Sri Lankan team in Pakistan back in 2009?
Yes PCB took ICC to court too but eventually settled. ICC had to pay a penalty. The biggest beneficiary of that attack and its aftermath was you guessed it… BCCI.

The sequence of events from the Liberty chowk attack to Kohli carrying SRT on his shoulders after the 2011 final went like clockwork.
 
If my memory serves me right, the PCB was the one that barred its players from participating in the IPL.

As far as the WTC goes, it has been a farce from it's begining. No one wants it. This includes the ICC, who apparently run it!

Given the choice, Pak, SL, WI, BD will get out of playing WTC/tests in a mili second. SA and NZ might think about it a minute or two and pull out too.

And the ICC's views on WTC? Well, you just have to go back to how the WTC came into being to find out. They were dragged kicking and screaming to the table to start it. They do not want to touch WTC with a ten foot pole. That to for hosting a grand total of.....one match!
You’ve made good points but a major reason cricket is said to be losing integrity is that Ind is getting undue advantages vis-à-vis scheduling/venues etc. It basically picks and chooses when and whom it plays, even in ICC/ ACC tournaments. Which is why few care about who won the last t20wc/CT/asia cup/mickey mouse cup etc. LOI tournaments have become a joke.

If Ind refuses to play pak in WTC then that’s again Ind being allowed to play whoever it wants. This introduces a bias in the process and raises serious question marks on the fairness of it.
 
It's almost 20 years since that attack and there have been no credible information regarding the foreign hand w.r.t the attacks on the srilankan team.

And do you honestly believe that Pakistan would still be allowed to host the world cup in 2011 considering what happened to the Lankan team in 2008 ?
Yes tracing the steps back from Kohli lifting SRT on his shoulders to faulty DRS in mohali, to stripping pak of hosting rights to, Lahore attacks. To me it seemed like connected to the Ind’s stated policy of ‘isolating’ Pakistan. It’s a conspiracy theory but not as wild as you’d think. :shadab
 
You have equated cricket's demise with the decline of Pakistan's cricket and singled out India as the precipitating factor for Pakistan's decline.

Pakistan have been in decline since well before that .
GOI did say they wanted to isolate Pak so the motivation was there. Pak cricket regressed and the blame is on Pak cricket ecosystem itself for that in all seriousness but some of the issues like big 3, banning of pak players in IPL, not playing pak in bilaterals, always being in the same group, do relate to India. The sad reality is that modern day cricket revolves around India. As pak cricket regressed, Ind’s dominance of cricket resources and its unchecked power rose and rose. So just connecting some dots here.
 
Yes tracing the steps back from Kohli lifting SRT on his shoulders to faulty DRS in mohali, to stripping pak of hosting rights to, Lahore attacks. To me it seemed like connected to the Ind’s stated policy of ‘isolating’ Pakistan. It’s a conspiracy theory but not as wild as you’d think. :shadab
Yes, Becos there is no history of Pak breeding non state actors who have turned on their controllers. I’ll repeat, guys like you are an asset to India. Please continue your good work
 
The reason why India have such a big monopoly over cricket is because cricket has largely become a niche desi sport. Countries outside of subcontinent do not care about cricket a lot. Investors from other countries don't care about investing money into cricket.

From SENA, England care mostly about football. South Africa and NZ are rugby heavyweights. Australia are into AFL and football. Caribbean people are more into basketball.

There is a reason India don't have any monopoly in football. It is because football is popular worldwide. India can't dictate things in football despite having the largest population.

:inti:inti
 
You’ve made good points but a major reason cricket is said to be losing integrity is that Ind is getting undue advantages vis-à-vis scheduling/venues etc. It basically picks and chooses when and whom it plays, even in ICC/ ACC tournaments. Which is why few care about who won the last t20wc/CT/asia cup/mickey mouse cup etc. LOI tournaments have become a joke.

If Ind refuses to play pak in WTC then that’s again Ind being allowed to play whoever it wants. This introduces a bias in the process and raises serious question marks on the fairness of it.
This ties into the point I made in post #112.

If boards, administrators, fans feel that there is unfair advantage for Ind. and do not like it, they have to do something about it. Especially the boards and its administrators.

Even the fans. They should not just direct their ire at BCCI. They should channel that energy towards their own boards. To kind of light a fire under them to bring about change.

If things need to change, the onus is on the opposite side to make that change. But in this situation, I do not see anyone making an effort, taking the leadership to make the change.

Everyone seems perfectly happy with status quo. Why? Because they have all tasted $$$$. No one wants to go back to the old days of "penury".

Ind. playing Pak. Well, that is set in the WTC rules. In terms of how many nations each country has to play on the minimum. Which Ind conveniently applies to Pak. But the same goes for say Aus - BD. or SA-BD, or Eng-BD?
 
Cricket indeed has lost its integrity since erst while Pakistan and erstwhile East Pakistan conspired to keep WI out of automatic qualification for WC.

What else can explain the collapse yesterday and the uninspired bowling by PCT?
We still have teams with ball tampering cheats that keeps hurting the game and it's integrity.

I think its due to all the illegal indian bookies all around the world - which has caused the issue

@Theanonymousone @jnaveen1980 @Vikram1989 @Rajdeep @Romali_rotti @rpant_gabba @Devadwal @deltexas @uppercut @Champ_Pal @Hikaru @globetrotter - do you agree with me?
 
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