Is England even less competitive than Pakistan in Tests in Australia?

[Hitman]

Seriously, is it even possible for England or any other team to be worse in Australia in Test cricket than Pakistan? The 1999 Test series where every Pakistani senior choked in grand way showed the way.​

 

[jeetu]

Since 2000 , Teams record in Australia

Team Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L
South Africa 18 5 9 0 4 0.555
India 30 7 15 0 8 0.466
England 33 4 26 0 3 0.153
New Zealand 15 1 10 0 4 0.1
West Indies 18 1 15 0 2 0.066
ICC World XI 1 0 1 0 0 0
Bangladesh 2 0 2 0 0 0
Zimbabwe 2 0 2 0 0 0
Sri Lanka 9 0 8 0 1 0
Pakistan 14 0 14 0 0 0

 

[Kianig89]

2013/14 = 0-5
2017/18 = 0-4
2021/22 = 0-4
2025/26 = 0-3*

16-0 , Well Pakistan streak is even legendary than this, they are 18-0 probably

 

[Varun]

Since 2000 , Teams record in Australia

Team Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L
South Africa 18 5 9 0 4 0.555
India 30 7 15 0 8 0.466
England 33 4 26 0 3 0.153
New Zealand 15 1 10 0 4 0.1
West Indies 18 1 15 0 2 0.066
ICC World XI 1 0 1 0 0 0
Bangladesh 2 0 2 0 0 0
Zimbabwe 2 0 2 0 0 0
Sri Lanka 9 0 8 0 1 0
Pakistan 14 0 14 0 0 0

Oh wow after all this England still get a bronze?

 

[Varun]

16-0 , Well Pakistan streak is even legendary than this, they are 18-0 probably

But Pakistan's is a proper streak. England have had a lucky draw or two.

 

[Hellion]

Commiserations to British Pakistanis. Both the teams you support suck in Australia .

Just not enough talent or mental strength to win a Test match there nowadays.

 

[Usman Chadda]

What kind of this thread is this? Pakistan hasn’t won in Australia in more than 20 years now, while England have won a series in 2010/11.

 

[jnaveen1980]

2010 series is treated as anamoly even by british media which is strange though. Because i understand that was a transition team.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

And West Indies have done better than both

 

[jnaveen1980]

 

[Ozeirk]

Anderson and broad were key in their recent encounters and wins, without them e gland has struggled.

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

England gets to play 5 test series in Australia every 4 years yet they still have only managed to win one series since the Ashes started tells you a lot about how bad they have been compared to Pakistan or any other test playing nation who has a poor record in Australia

 

[Buffet]

England gets to play 5 test series in Australia every 4 years yet they still have only managed to win one series since the Ashes started tells you a lot about how bad they have been compared to Pakistan or any other test playing nation who has a poor record in Australia

Playing 4-5 tests in series makes it much harder to win series than let's say if series had only 2-3 tests.

But it should be much easier to win 1 test here and there.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Playing 4-5 tests in series makes it much harder to win series than let's say if series had only 2-3 tests.

But it should be much easier to win 1 test here and there.

Like Vaughan did at the SCG. But after WTC is put in place teams started taking every test seriously. They don't want to miss out on points.

 

[tiger_khan]

Only if England could have the luxury of having non-bouncy Australian pitches, like India do when they are touring (for the viewership money)...

PS: Australian captains have complained about their own pitches during the series against India - Steven Smith once even said that he felt as if he was playing in India instead of Australia

 

[jnaveen1980]

Only if England could have the luxury of having non-bouncy Australian pitches, like India do when they are touring (for the viewership money)...

PS: Australian captains have complained about their own pitches during the series against India - Steven Smith once even said that he felt as if he was playing in India instead of Australia

Nonsense lol India bullied Australia and hurt them bad with short balls.

Travis head: It was scary

 

[jnaveen1980]

WHwen you play for your team you take the blow.. Faced 1200 balls in 2018, 1000 balls in 2021. He took the blows. You wear the badge. You fight

 

[tiger_khan]

Nonsense lol India bullied Australia and hurt them bad with short balls.

Travis head: It was scary

You are right. Steve Smith was scared of Indian genuine fast bowling when he was complaining about knee high bounce on Australian pitches. May be he was batting without pads...

 

[jnaveen1980]

You are right. Steve Smith was scared of Indian genuine fast bowling when he was complaining about knee high bounce on Australian pitches. May be he was batting without pads...

I showed you the video evidence of how hostile the bowling was. No AUstralian pitch has that kind of characateristic. May be you are talking about Rawalpindi , Dubai pitches. Australia has the highest bounce and pace combination.

 

[tiger_khan]

I showed you the video evidence of how hostile the bowling was. No AUstralian pitch has that kind of characateristic. May be you are talking about Rawalpindi , Dubai pitches. Australia has the highest bounce and pace combination.

You are right. Steve Smith while giving an interview in Australia about a match between Australia and Indian team was complaining about Rawalpindi, and Dubai pitches...

 

[nish_mate]

Only if England could have the luxury of having non-bouncy Australian pitches, like India do when they are touring (for the viewership money)...

PS: Australian captains have complained about their own pitches during the series against India - Steven Smith once even said that he felt as if he was playing in India instead of Australia

Yawwwwwwnnnnnn

Neighbours just can't digest India won two tours down under that they with their legendary line up oaf pahaaasttttt bowlers couldn't ...

Bitter and childish and bordering on moronic.

 

[Hellion]

Only if England could have the luxury of having non-bouncy Australian pitches, like India do when they are touring (for the viewership money)...

PS: Australian captains have complained about their own pitches during the series against India - Steven Smith once even said that he felt as if he was playing in India instead of Australia

Adelaide was a non bouncy wicket. Still got hammered

 

[tiger_khan]

Yawwwwwwnnnnnn

Neighbours just can't digest India won two tours down under that they with their legendary line up oaf pahaaasttttt bowlers couldn't ...

Bitter and childish and bordering on moronic.

This is not a Bollywood movie review forum. You don't have to give over the top, absolutely divorced from reality reviews here, just because the movies are Indian. You can speak the truth.

 

[Katwalindian]

If it wasn’t for Abdullah Shafique, Pakistan would’ve won at least 1 test match in their last tour.

Sadly, the next tour to Australia we’ll be going without the guy that took 18 wickets in 3 tests.

That hurts more than Wt20 2024 loss....

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Only if England could have the luxury of having non-bouncy Australian pitches, like India do when they are touring (for the viewership money)...

PS: Australian captains have complained about their own pitches during the series against India - Steven Smith once even said that he felt as if he was playing in India instead of Australia

Many Aussie ex players have commented the same.

 

[nish_mate]

This is not a Bollywood movie review forum. You don't have to give over the top, absolutely divorced from reality reviews here, just because the movies are Indian. You can speak the truth.

The truth is every time ICT performs Pakistani PP finds a convenient excuse to disparage it. Times and decades change, however the undermining doesn't.

Divorced from reality is Bobby and Umar who Akmal better than Kohli.

It's allrite we understand Pakistan got talent but nothing to show for in Oz, whilst India with their not so talented bunch done Ozzie's twice over on their backyard.

That is the truth rest is all PP topibaazi

 

[jnaveen1980]

You are right. Steve Smith while giving an interview in Australia about a match between Australia and Indian team was complaining about Rawalpindi, and Dubai pitches...

haha Nonsense. I just showed you the video. They even spiced up SCG pitch which is traditionally spin friendly. You are just bitter that your "phast bowlers" couldn't do jack there. Even in the test where INdia was roleld over for 36 India had first innings lead.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Sunshine this forum at times is worse than a lollywood drama. The truth is every time ICT performs Pakistani PP finds a convenient excuse to disparage it. Times and decades change, however the undermining doesn't.

Divorced from reality is Bobby and Umar who Akmal better than Kohli.

It's allrite we understand Pakistan got talent but nothing to show for in Oz, whilst India with their not so talented bunch done Ozzie's twice over on their backyard.

That is the truth rest is all PP topibaazi

haha Nonsense. I just showed you the video. They even spiced up SCG pitch which is traditionally spin friendly. You are just bitter that your "phast bowlers" couldn't do jack there. Even in the test where INdia was roleld over for 36 India had first innings lead.

You too are way too intelligent posters to feed this guy. This kinda mentality should be encouraged among Paks. It suits India in the long run. Hell, even british born Paks like @DeadlyVenom can't escape it. It convinces them things are stacked against them inhibits their thinking and leads societal atrophy

 

[AZulfi]

I believe this is the 6th time this century that Australia has won the home Ashes series in straight sets (I.e. Australia secured the Ashes after the first 3 tests)

2002/3: Australia won 4-1

2006/7 Australia whitewashed England 5-0

2010/11 England won 3-1 (a rare victory for England in Australia)

2013/14 Australia 4-0

2017/18 Australia 5-0

2021/22 Australia 4-0

2025/26 Australia lead 3-0 with 2 to play

Australia in (Home) Ashes in 21st century to date: won 26, lost just 4, drawn 3

 

[Savak]

I believe this is the 6th time this century that Australia has won the home Ashes series in straight sets (I.e. Australia secured the Ashes after the first 3 tests)

2002/3: Australia won 4-1

2006/7 Australia whitewashed England 5-0

2010/11 England won 3-1 (a rare victory for England in Australia)

2013/14 Australia 4-0

2017/18 Australia 5-0

2021/22 Australia 4-0

2025/26 Australia lead 3-0 with 2 to play

Australia in (Home) Ashes in 21st century to date: won 26, lost just 4, drawn 3

The secret to England's success in the 2010/11 series were the quality of their preparations. They had prepared for that tour for 5-6 months and they selected the squads i.e. Chris Tremlett based on the requirements of the Australian conditions. I have yet to see England show the same hunger to succeed in Australia since then. The same hunger and determination to succeed in Australian conditions was shown by India in 2018 and 2021.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The secret to England's success in the 2010/11 series were the quality of their preparations. They had prepared for that tour for 5-6 months and they selected the squads i.e. Chris Tremlett based on the requirements of the Australian conditions. I have yet to see England show the same hunger to succeed in Australia since then. The same hunger and determination to succeed in Australian conditions was shown by India in 2018 and 2021.

Still 3 innings win in Australai is stupendous. Can't take anything away from them. They had the tools to do well there. Australia bowling was inexperienced. But their batting was decent enough. They had Clarke, Hussey, Punter albeit on his last legs, watson. Wonder if Any flower was a catalyst. Look at Andy Flower somehow made RCB win the IPL for the first time ever. His coaching stints are pretty good. One thing Andy Flower doesn't sit on laurels. Even when they win he tries to look for how to improve. This unit is opposite. They just chest thump at every opportunity without analyzing "what could go worng"

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/australia-v-england-meticulous-flower-helps-england-bloom-495813

 

[Hitman]

Yawwwwwwnnnnnn

Neighbours just can't digest India won two tours down under that they with their legendary line up oaf pahaaasttttt bowlers couldn't ...

Bitter and childish and bordering on moronic.

You're being unfair here. Every person has the right to apply balm on their wounds.

 

[Bhaijaan]

English cricketers, ex cricketers and commentators all the time :
Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball

When Ashes actually comes, and it’s time to show Bazball to Aussies they just quit like losers and go on a binge drinking trip in the middle of the series.

Such a shame.
At least don’t talk about Ashes and Bazball all the time now.

 

[jnaveen1980]

English cricketers, ex cricketers and commentators all the time :
Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Ashes Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball Bazball

When Ashes actually comes, and it’s time to show Bazball to Aussies they just quit like losers and go on a binge drinking trip in the middle of the series.

Such a shame.
At least don’t talk about Ashes and Bazball all the time now.

Neil manthrop asked the right question 'Does this world Test championship mean anything to England" . Good question. Because they can still be in the running if they win the last 2 tests. All teams take WTC seriously. Australia, SA, NZ, India. Why is England who incidentally host the WTC final don't take it seriously. They allow themselves to be penalized for slow over-rated. They give up after series loss.

 

[uppercut]

The secret to England's success in the 2010/11 series were the quality of their preparations. They had prepared for that tour for 5-6 months and they selected the squads i.e. Chris Tremlett based on the requirements of the Australian conditions. I have yet to see England show the same hunger to succeed in Australia since then. The same hunger and determination to succeed in Australian conditions was shown by India in 2018 and 2021.

You missed the biggest secret : An aussie team that had pretty much lost all of its key fast bowlers and Starc, Cummins, Steve Smith were yet to arrive.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You missed the biggest secret : An aussie team that had pretty much lost all of its key fast bowlers and Starc, Cummins, Steve Smith were yet to arrive.

They lost to New zealand as well.

 

[BouncerGuy]

England's focus nowadays is more towards scoring big scores and playing HOOO HAAA shots... I don't think they are going with a winning mentality.

 

[Ab Fan]

Quality wise, South Africa were always no.2 except during that transition phase. India were no.3 and England probably a 4th.

England mostly brings hype, India some hype and some quality, South Africa mostly quality and not much hype.