Is fitness overrated?

[TalentSpotterPk]

Besides Malik, Shadab, Azhar & Shehzad entire team looked Unfit. Huffing, Puffing & Low Energy.

 

[zyrus]

Besides Malik, Shadab, Azhar & Shehzad entire team looked Unfit. Huffing, Puffing & Low Energy.

Over-abused in those fitness drills maybe?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Over-abused in those fitness drills maybe?

They have to be professional.


A 30 years old refusing a 37 years old 3rd double of the over was embarassing to see. The 30 years old was huffing & puffing like no tomorrow.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Wahab was fielding towards my end today. He definitely seemed unfit.

 

[Abdullah719]

If Amir was fit, he would have bowled two more overs which might have made some difference

Most overs bowled by pacers across all formats since Amir's comeback:

[table= class:grid][tr][td]Player[/td][td]Span[/td][td]Mat[/td][td]Inns[/td][td]Overs[/td][td]Mdns[/td][td]Runs[/td][td]Wkts[/td][td]Ave[/td][td]Econ[/td][td]SR[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JR Hazlewood (AUS)[/td][td]2016-2017[/td][td]40[/td][td]52[/td][td]780[/td][td]162[/td][td]2565[/td][td]99[/td][td]25.90[/td][td]3.28[/td][td]47.2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Amir (PAK)[/td][td]2016-2017[/td][td]45[/td][td]57[/td][td]737[/td][td]132[/td][td]2616[/td][td]79[/td][td]33.11[/td][td]3.54[/td][td]55.9[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TA Boult (NZ)[/td][td]2016-2017[/td][td]39[/td][td]50[/td][td]704.4[/td][td]120[/td][td]2645[/td][td]94[/td][td]28.13[/td][td]3.75[/td][td]44.9[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]K Rabada (SA)[/td][td]2016-2017[/td][td]48[/td][td]55[/td][td]626.4[/td][td]85[/td][td]2719[/td][td]117[/td][td]23.23[/td][td]4.33[/td][td]32.1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Starc (AUS)[/td][td]2016-2017[/td][td]33[/td][td]43[/td][td]595.4[/td][td]100[/td][td]2320[/td][td]100[/td][td]23.20[/td][td]3.89[/td][td]35.7[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TG Southee (NZ)[/td][td]2016-2017[/td][td]30[/td][td]39[/td][td]588.1[/td][td]124[/td][td]2264[/td][td]61[/td][td]37.11[/td][td]3.84[/td][td]57.8[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Wagner (NZ)[/td][td]2016-2017[/td][td]14[/td][td]27[/td][td]527.3[/td][td]109[/td][td]1524[/td][td]63[/td][td]24.19[/td][td]2.88[/td][td]50.2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CR Woakes (ENG)[/td][td]2016-2017[/td][td]34[/td][td]45[/td][td]517.5[/td][td]93[/td][td]1970[/td][td]75[/td][td]26.26[/td][td]3.80[/td][td]41.4[/td][/tr][/table]

 

[zyrus]

They have to be professional.


A 30 years old refusing a 37 years old 3rd double of the over was embarassing to see. The 30 years old was huffing & puffing like no tomorrow.

Thats because there energy was spent on drills?

 

[ar2020]

You're a damn athlete. Please look like it. Look at the Aussie and English players NOT bad examples of other Pakistani players. Why are you comparing with crap???

 

[zyrus]

You're a damn athlete. Please look like it. Look at the Aussie and English players NOT bad examples of other Pakistani players. Why are you comparing with crap???

Inzamam was a crap? Not every nation is made same.

 

[ar2020]

Inzamam was a crap? Not every nation is made same.

You're an athlete. It's not hard. Hit cardio, lift a little, and eat an athlete's diet.

By crap I was referring to Sarfraz.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Thats because there energy was spent on drills?

No.


Because they don't train as hard as is required of them. They don't follow balanced sports nutrition. Some are overweight, others are underweight. Only few are relatively fit and only Malik is anywhere close to ideal fitness.

 

[zyrus]

No.


Because they don't train as hard as is required of them. They don't follow balanced sports nutrition. Some are overweight, others are underweight. Only few are relatively fit and only Malik is anywhere close to ideal fitness.

I agree, but everybody got certain genes and limits, you need to understand that. Malik appears fit because its in his genes to appear that. Inzi looked fat for same reason. Fitness is important, but skills are much more. We need our players to spend their energies towards refining skills rather than being fit alone.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I agree, but everybody got certain genes and limits, you need to understand that. Malik appears fit because its in his genes to appear that. Inzi looked fat for same reason. Fitness is important, but skills are much more. We need our players to spend their energies towards refining skills rather than being fit alone.

I am sorry but a fat obese person has no place in sport.

A bit of exercise to stay fit is hardly any issue.

I run 5-10 km a day and inshAllah I will not suffer from ALS or MS because I kept myself fit.

Its a useless argument and your theory has been debunked.

In fact, laziness and fat obese people have cardiac problems and are more likely to die from cardiac disease before anything else.

 

[zyrus]

I am sorry but a fat obese person has no place in sport.

A bit of exercise to stay fit is hardly any issue.

I run 5-10 km a day and inshAllah I will not suffer from ALS or MS because I kept myself fit.

Its a useless argument and your theory has been debunked.

In fact, laziness and fat obese people have cardiac problems and are more likely to die from cardiac disease before anything else.

Please repeat this after 10-20 years.

 

[Mamoon]

Fitness has transformed Kohli from a very good player to a legendary player.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Please repeat this after 10-20 years.

Lol.

You think I will die because of this?

I am sorry but you are out of your depth.

Reading 5 articles of research aren't worth anything unless you know the basic fundamentals of muscle metabolism.

Read red muscle fibers and white muscle fibers and the difference and come back an educated man.

Till then, dream on about the nonsense that our players are being abused in fitness.

 

[zyrus]

Lol.

You think I will die because of this?

I am sorry but you are out of your depth.

Reading 5 articles of research aren't worth anything unless you know the basic fundamentals of muscle metabolism.

Read red muscle fibers and white muscle fibers and the difference and come back an educated man.

Till then, dream on about the nonsense that our players are being abused in fitness.

I am not saying that, you'll probably be living a good life insh'Allah. But please repeat this after 10-20 years.

and studied that, I'll still say that everybody got endurance threshold, not all can take fitness as a piece of cake.

 

[Pete Rose]

Some awful ignorance in this thread. Like Donald Trump claiming that the body has finite energy hence he is fat slob

 

[Indiafan]

I am not saying that, you'll probably be living a good life insh'Allah. But please repeat this after 10-20 years.

and studied that, I'll still say that everybody got endurance threshold, not all can take fitness as a piece of cake.

You are arguing with an actual doctor

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Is this thread a joke? No disrespect to OP but it's like asking if it's bad to smoke. Fitness is required whether you're an athlete or a regular person. I hope OP is joking

 

[Monsee]

I am quite sure OP was laughing his behind off while seeing Pak players falling right and left in the game against India...Fitness, it is overrated LOL

 

[aloo paratha]

Thats because there energy was spent on drills?

They wouldn't have done any drills on the day of the game, and the day before they would've went light. If almost a whole day isn't enough for you to energize yourself after some light drills, you're just unfit.

 

[zyrus]

Is this thread a joke? No disrespect to OP but it's like asking if it's bad to smoke. Fitness is required whether you're an athlete or a regular person. I hope OP is joking

No, its bad to smoke, some genes are proving immune to it though. A little fitness is always healthy. But making it the goal of your life is overkill, thats what I meant.

You are arguing with an actual doctor

Just realized that, maybe I should let time answer things

I am quite sure OP was laughing his behind off while seeing Pak players falling right and left in the game against India...Fitness, it is overrated LOL

Yes, that was a real bizzare display. But again, people can do same with or without being fit.

They wouldn't have done any drills on the day of the game, and the day before they would've went light. If almost a whole day isn't enough for you to energize yourself after some light drills, you're just unfit.

It can take couple of days to recover. Infact you can only feel the stiffness next day.

 

[humzy]

With being the latest victim, this comes into my mind.

Lets look at couple of facts.

Inzamam was never a fit player, but he was a great batsman.

Neither Sarfraz nor Sharjeel are fit, but they're among the finest we got now.

Our injury-rate can possibly be rising due to the fact that we're over-stressing our players with all that fitness crap.

More game load along with fitness drama can not only harm body, but also results in lethargic attitude of players resulting in poor performance.

Our 'fittest' Rizwan is nowhere good with bat, so fitness can't guarantee greatness.


Are we looking in wrong direction? Fitness can surely help when you're reaching a century or you're fielding at tight spot or when bowling 150sh. But putting up this for every single player to that extent, is this even necessary? or its just an excuse used by our incompetent coaches/selectors for their shortcomings?

We dont live in the era of inzamam. These days fitness/flexibility/agility are the number one indicators of a good sportsmen, while talent comes in thousands.

 

[adil_909]

I agree, but everybody got certain genes and limits, you need to understand that. Malik appears fit because its in his genes to appear that. Inzi looked fat for same reason. Fitness is important, but skills are much more. We need our players to spend their energies towards refining skills rather than being fit alone.

You are clearly missing the point, and are not understanding either human physiology or basics of professionalism.

People always bring up Inzamam and say "look he wasn't fit." Problem is, there are no Inzamam's in our team! Even today if Inzi was still playing, his fitness would be criticized but at the end of the day, he would be adding so much to the team that it would get overlooked. Plus don't forget he worked extremely hard on his catching and become one of the best slip fielders in the world to make up for his lack of ability to chase down the ball down the field.

BUT there is nobody in the team who is 1/2 the batsmen Inzi was. So what excuse do these guys have to not be fit? Your point about genes is totally misguided, and the excuse that every patient I see gives when I ask them why they are overweight. No. Weight gain is a simple math equation. If you consume fewer calories than you expend during the day, you will burn fat and lose weight. That's it. It's not complicated. Its one thing for you and me to not be fit, but it is part of an athlete's job description.

Having players like Wasim, Inzamam, Waqar, Shoaib, etc in our history is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing because it gives youngsters people to look up to. A curse because these were freaks and had natural God-given talent, and now people say "well __ was able to get away with it". Doesn't work that way, and there is simply no excuse for a professional athlete to not be in peak physical fitness. Even golfers are more in shape than some of our cricketers and all they do is swing a club and take a cart to their next shot!

 

[Ankit007]

Fitness is extremely important. Inzi was good batsman buy fitness was reason of his run outs. Reminds me of that character in lagaan where their old wicketkeeper batsman got run out because of not being able to complete third run. And Sarfaraz refusing third double to Malik....

 

[Ankit007]

It may as well be the reason of Pakistan's lack of strike rotation issue