Is Haris Sohail really the saviour of Pakistan's batting?

[Saj]

We have a tendency to when the team isn't playing well start digging up names of players who would in theory have done better.

Now sometimes this theory is spot on and other times well it's just desperation.

Is Haris Sohail really someone who would have done better against England? Is he someone who we think can consistently score runs in international cricket?

In 8 seasons he's played 50 or so first class matches and has not managed to play a first class match for nearly 2 years.

Are these the stats of someone who can last the demands and rigours of international cricket? Is he really fit enough for international cricket?

 

[WC-Passion]

Some good questions raised.

Is Haris Sohail really someone who would have done better against England?

I think Haris is more than capable of scoring against the English attack we faced.

Is he someone who we think can consistently score runs in international cricket?

He performed decent-good in BD-SL-Zim so I think he can be consistent.

In 8 seasons he's played 50 or so first class matches and has not managed to play a first class match for nearly 2 years.

Are these the stats of someone who can last the demands and rigours of international cricket? Is he really fit enough for international cricket?

Now, here's where it's complex. I personally think Haris really is the worst in the team in terms of being fit, and it's really not helping him.

He's was quite a good batsmen but who knows how good he is now after months of no international games. It's sad that he kept on getting into the test squad on performance but do people really think with his fitness he can be a future player for tests?

I don't think his fitness is up to standard for something like test cricket. I don't see him lasting 3-5 test matches especially in places like the UAE where it can get quite tough.

He's had his bad signs in ODI's too. The best example of this was the BD series. He was performing well and getting to 30-40-50 comfortably but after that he was tired and slogged widely only for him to be caught out.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

we will have to wait and see. I will keep backing him until he proves that he really is a typical desi cricketer who doesn't understand the importance of fitness. Until then I will keep backing our arguably best batsman and hope he gets in better shape.

 

[Belawal2014]

We have a tendency to when the team isn't playing well start digging up names of players who would in theory have done better.

Now sometimes this theory is spot on and other times well it's just desperation.

Is Haris Sohail really someone who would have done better against England? Is he someone who we think can consistently score runs in international cricket?

In 8 seasons he's played 50 or so first class matches and has not managed to play a first class match for nearly 2 years.

Are these the stats of someone who can last the demands and rigours of international cricket? Is he really fit enough for international cricket?

Is he the replacement Pakistan needs when Misbah and/or Yk retire from TESTS? Questionable. I reckon Fawad Alam, on merit deserves a go ahead of anyone else. A FC average of 58.40 for Fawad Alam makes him a more deserving candidate.

In LOIs, I feel he is a must. He looks so effortless at the crease and I think what most of us have a problem with is 1. His tendency to slog after he gets set on 30s and 40s and not going on to score that big hundred. In fact, he doesn't even have a single hundred in his LIST A career which should be a great cause of worry for him and us as well. 2. His fitness is quite poor, though it's been better than what it was say 2-3 years ago, but still far from international cricket.

Some very fair points raised. Ultimately time will tell if Haris can keep up with the demands of International cricket.

 

[ChachaCricket]

No, Bilal Asif is.

 

[shaz619]

All these guys are a hype job but we do need to given certain guys a long run before we question their lack of consistency. Harris is too fragile though, lad needs to work on his fitness harder.

 

[axl100mph]

I dont rate him that highly.
Seems like a better version shafiq and isnt a match winner on his own.
Just too many players if the same type

Addto that, his lethargic attitude towards fitness n lack of hunger
For him to him succeed, we need stroke makers to bat around him
Unfortunately, we are stuck with dross like .

This is why it is hghly imperative that akmal jr. miraculously sorts himself out

 

[sarfarazrules]

Biggest issue I have with Haris Sohail is his weakness against spin.

But having said that, he should open the batting with Azhar Ali because he is arguably the best player of pace in Pakistan and this also brings about a right and left hand opening combination.

 

[axl100mph]

No, Bilal Asif is.

Lol, still cant fathom how they made him open.
People back waqar but how inept he must be if he thought that this hackaladon can face the new ball.
Just sums up that the coach isnt a bright thinker

 

[Barragan]

I'm assuming this is in relation to the ODI team and my answer would be no, but Babar Azam can be our saviour in ODI's.

I was thoroughly impressed with his innings in the last game and he may have thrown away his wicket in the last game, but he will learn from that mistake and will only get better from here on in.

As for Haris, he will be a huge asset in Test cricket, once Misbah and Younis retire.

 

[umerafzaal12]

Does anybody know when Harris Sohail will be fit?

 

[Bullet Drive]

He is a gem.

He & Haris. Quality quality.

Umar Akmal will be an AB type of bat.

 

[Belawal2014]

He is a gem.

He & Haris. Quality quality.

Umar Akmal will be an AB type of bat.

Who is he?

 

[Bullet Drive]

Who is he?

I meant he and Babar.

 

[Bullet Drive]

I promise Babar & Haris will be our best two bats in future. I said this 3-4 years ago. And I'm still saying it.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

He is a gem.

He & Haris. Quality quality.

Umar Akmal will be an AB type of bat.

And Pakistan will win the Champions trophy, the next t20, and jump to number 1 in the ICC test rankings.

Hafeez will also mercilessly smash England and Australia in our upcoming tours and Malik will chip in with a 200 in England in an ODI.

Then world hunger will be solved and Afridi will learn to play for his team instead of himself. Ahmed Shehzad will take inspiration from this and replicate the success of Amla.

And then "Babar Azam will be a Don Bradman type of bat"

 

[Anfield]

Harris Sohail has a poor technique and would be found out if he plays regularly!

 

[Pete Rose]

he has started well, but his fitness will be the end of his career.
And he will be an lbw and short ball candidate always. head is too far off stump and is crouched too low in stance,

 

[Junaids]

Of course not.

He is a useless hack with a very dodgy technique.

 

[msb314]

Of course not.

He is a useless hack with a very dodgy technique.

Please tell me you are joking.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Babar, Haris, Azhar and Akmal are still the best 4 all round batsmen in pakistan

 

[Kakar]

Yeah right, he is useless. Let's discard him and go back to Shafiq and Younis and select a few more like Iftikhar. Stupid questions, when he is among the best we have. No point in debating whether he is the saviour or not. You gotta pick your best and work with them. About him playing 50 first class games in 8 years, it's a flawed logic with not enough information. He didn't necessarily became a regular with his first game and might have spent a first few years without regularly getting selected.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Haris is too overhyped by fans. He never really stood out. Yes he is a solid player, but he bats with a pretty low SR. (Yes, higher than most of the rest of the team) but he has a problem striking boundaries. AND he throws away his wicket whenever he's set.

 

[Hamza_]

Has some very consistent stats in last 8 to 10 innings.

 

[Bullet Drive]

And Pakistan will win the Champions trophy, the next t20, and jump to number 1 in the ICC test rankings.

Hafeez will also mercilessly smash England and Australia in our upcoming tours and Malik will chip in with a 200 in England in an ODI.

Then world hunger will be solved and Afridi will learn to play for his team instead of himself. Ahmed Shehzad will take inspiration from this and replicate the success of Amla.

And then "Babar Azam will be a Don Bradman type of bat"

In Sha Allah.

 

[rooster]

Till he fail in one series

 

[larkykid]

Can't just rely on one player to save another five or six players. And how can he be a saviour if he's no where to be seen due to injuries?

 

[Dubawi]

I promise Babar & Haris will be our best two bats in future. I said this 3-4 years ago. And I'm still saying it.

4 years back Babar was 15 years old. In that case you have some eye for talent

 

[samiakh]

What injury is he suffering now? What's the prognosis ? Will he be back any time soon?

 

[Bullet Drive]

4 years back Babar was 15 years old. In that case you have some eye for talent

I said 3-4 years ago. Notice the three.

4 years ago Babar was 16.

Babar caught our eyes at 15 anyways.

Lets not try to be too clever with me. I know my stuff.

 

[Bewal Express]

We need a number 4 that scores hundreds at a Decent lick, Haris struggles through the off side because of his bat lift which is too closed to play fluently through the off but makes him strong through the leg. Personally I would move Hafeez back to the top, Babar to 3, give Haris a go at 4 and Umar Ak at 5.

 

[Abdullah]

Yeah right, he is useless. Let's discard him and go back to Shafiq and Younis and select a few more like Iftikhar. Stupid questions, when he is among the best we have. No point in debating whether he is the saviour or not. You gotta pick your best and work with them. About him playing 50 first class games in 8 years, it's a flawed logic with not enough information. He didn't necessarily became a regular with his first game and might have spent a first few years without regularly getting selected.

Agreed and he spent quite long as the back up middle order batsman in tests so wasn't thus available for first class selection.
And azhar misbah yk shafiq never missed a game until last series

 

[Abdullah]

I said 3-4 years ago. Notice the three.

4 years ago Babar was 16.

Babar caught our eyes at 15 anyways.

Lets not try to be too clever with me. I know my stuff.

Can u find out where he is and what is wrong with him

 

[Abdullah]

Go back and look at all his international innings in last 2 years. He doesn't miss the ball. Well hardly Ever. No caught in the slips or lbw or caught behind trying to defend (except ashwin) which tells me his game WAS in pretty good order!!!

 

[JibranAnsari]

His fitness level is atrocious for a professional athlete and that does affect his batting in the middle. He cant remain fit for six months a year and I think he won't be able to play for pakistan for long.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

In Sha Allah.

 

[AZ]

Zero doubts over his quality as a batsman, he is a superb player with excellent temperament.

His fitness though is quite disgraceful, needs to improve considerably.

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[asfandyar]

Haris is too overhyped by fans. He never really stood out. Yes he is a solid player, but he bats with a pretty low SR. (Yes, higher than most of the rest of the team) but he has a problem striking boundaries. AND he throws away his wicket whenever he's set.

This is the exact problem our fans have. They need players who can score a hundred and can hit fours and sixes. Let me tell you an obscure fact that I believe only a few fans have actually pondered upon.

Consider Player A and Player B who play at similar positions. Player A has an average of 40 after 100 innings and has 15 centuries to his name. Player B has an average of 40 and has no centuries in the same number of innings. Your typical fan will pick up Player A to be the best of the two. This is because your typical fans often forget the law of conservation of energy. A higher number of centuries means that Player A has been far more mediocre in the 85 innings he has not scores a century in. This is the exact reason why Hafeez (post-2010) and Shahzad average 35+ and still look crap.

Similarly, let us Consider Player X and Player Y who play at similar positions. Both have a strike rate of 85. Player X has 5 times as many 6's as Player Y and twice as many boundaries. You average fans will again opt for Player X, forgetting the law of conservation of energy. Player X may have far more boundaries and sixes than Player Y, but that comes at an expense of strike rotation.

I'd rather have Haris Sohail than your flashy Sohaib?Umar et al. if given a choice, although I wouldn't mind one of th latter in place of Sarfraz (but that is a different debate altogether)

 

[TheNightWatchman]

This is the exact problem our fans have. They need players who can score a hundred and can hit fours and sixes. Let me tell you an obscure fact that I believe only a few fans have actually pondered upon.

Consider Player A and Player B who play at similar positions. Player A has an average of 40 after 100 innings and has 15 centuries to his name. Player B has an average of 40 and has no centuries in the same number of innings. Your typical fan will pick up Player A to be the best of the two. This is because your typical fans often forget the law of conservation of energy. A higher number of centuries means that Player A has been far more mediocre in the 85 innings he has not scores a century in. This is the exact reason why Hafeez (post-2010) and Shahzad average 35+ and still look crap.

Similarly, let us Consider Player X and Player Y who play at similar positions. Both have a strike rate of 85. Player X has 5 times as many 6's as Player Y and twice as many boundaries. You average fans will again opt for Player X, forgetting the law of conservation of energy. Player X may have far more boundaries and sixes than Player Y, but that comes at an expense of strike rotation.

I'd rather have Haris Sohail than your flashy Sohaib?Umar et al. if given a choice, although I wouldn't mind one of th latter in place of Sarfraz (but that is a different debate altogether)

That is absolutely ridiculous.
It's like having another Misbah in the team. When you need to chase down 300 run scores you don't want a guy who will score just a 50. Especially when that batsman is batting in such a crucial position You need a batsman who can go all the way.
All succesful batsmen in the modern era have the capability to score huge. Virat Kohli, AB devilliers, Amla etc.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

This is the exact problem our fans have. They need players who can score a hundred and can hit fours and sixes. Let me tell you an obscure fact that I believe only a few fans have actually pondered upon.

Consider Player A and Player B who play at similar positions. Player A has an average of 40 after 100 innings and has 15 centuries to his name. Player B has an average of 40 and has no centuries in the same number of innings. Your typical fan will pick up Player A to be the best of the two. This is because your typical fans often forget the law of conservation of energy. A higher number of centuries means that Player A has been far more mediocre in the 85 innings he has not scores a century in. This is the exact reason why Hafeez (post-2010) and Shahzad average 35+ and still look crap.

Similarly, let us Consider Player X and Player Y who play at similar positions. Both have a strike rate of 85. Player X has 5 times as many 6's as Player Y and twice as many boundaries. You average fans will again opt for Player X, forgetting the law of conservation of energy. Player X may have far more boundaries and sixes than Player Y, but that comes at an expense of strike rotation.

I'd rather have Haris Sohail than your flashy Sohaib?Umar et al. if given a choice, although I wouldn't mind one of th latter in place of Sarfraz (but that is a different debate altogether)

Average isn't enough. What's the point of stats. To show off?

 

[MRSN]

I think we know the answer now.

 

[MRSN]

unlike our most experienced so called legends he looks more composed and solid at the crease despite making his comeback after 2 years without a lot of cricket behind him.

 

[babajee]

Should bat at 4 so he can make hay.

 

[CadPakFan]

unlike our most experienced so called legends he looks more composed and solid at the crease despite making his comeback after 2 years without a lot of cricket behind him.

Agreed this series he has been a true saviour of Pakistan's batting and without him we would've done much worse.

 

[another drop catch]

yes he is
along with babar azam
some patience is needed