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I was very indifferent about Imad when he first arrived at international scene but was quickly becoming a fan. These past few performances are making me wonder if his own hype has got into his head. Is he really a good batsman or a good bowler? I'm not sure on him. What does he lack, or possess for that matter?
What's the jury on him, is he a "hack"(new to pp, am I doing it right?).
 
he's a genuine all rounder
he is not a pinch hitter, he can hit some boundaries though, can be good middle order batsman but unfortunately we can't find a spot for him to play in the middle order, I think he'll come good if he played at 5 or maybe 6. He has the ability to bat well, he showed it in England, the English bowlers couldn't get him out in the whole ODI series, he played 4 games scored 2 fifties which were excellent, but he has done literally nothing since then, so he might wanna work hard on his batting to show his skills.
His bowling is very handy and provides a lot of control but it's not as threatening. Can become our best limited over bowler if he learn how to turn it regularly.
He has a double hundred and a ten wicket haul in first class cricket, I think he can be very useful in the test side as well, where we desperately need a good 5th bowler who can bat as well. He turns the ball rarely, but still can be very useful if he works hard. I think he can learn and improve it's not too late for him.
 
He is very limited batsman suited to at best a 7-8. You cant' really expect more than a quick 20-25 from him.

His bowling can provide some control in the middle order.
 
He can rotate the strike well which we saw in the English series. If he can get a shot at number 6 in tests and ODIs, I believe he will come good.
 
Welsh Yuvi is either a bits and pieces players or a genuine all-rounder.
 
He's a must have player in LOs for Pakistan. No other all rounder is better than him at the moment.
 
ODI bowling all-rounder for me. Currently not an ODI no. 6, but maybe he will improve.
 
He is okay at everything without being great. Needs to add more variety to his bowling because history has shown that on flat decks teams eventually find him out and essentially play him as a medium pacer
 
That's a very good question.

I think he is a handy cricketer, which is why he is good for LOI cricket.

His strong points are his confidence, belief and fighting spirit (all of those are critical) and like I said, he is a handy cricketer. He was absolutely outstanding against England in England. He is a steady bowler however, I was really impressed by his batting where he didn't get dismissed and scored freely. However, he is not a big hitter of the ball and seems like his style is more that of a "proper batsman" . I wonder if it would be useful for us to use him higher up the batting order and see if his batting is good enough? Some what similar to how england is now using Ben Stokes? I am in no way suggesting that he is as good/effective as ben stokes, but ben's performance since he has moved up the order has gone to another level.

However, in order to earn a birth in Test cricket, you have to have a strong suit. Whether it's batting or bowling. Unless, he either really works on his bowling to become a test bowler, OR really works on his batting to become a reliable lower order batsman and a 5th bowler, he will struggle to break the test team.
 
His batting is not suitable for limited overs and his bowling, for test cricket. He need to have more shots in his batting and greater bowling variety to be suitable for different formats.
 
None.

Bats like a yet another version of Asad Shafiq - doesn't have it in him to take on the bowlers and strike it clean. He's yet another Anwar Ali when it comes to batting, might hit one or two with a slog, but nothing apart from that.

Bowling - he's a darter, and can be handy on slow, low, turning tracks.

On batting tracks, batsmen will LOVE to take him apart - probably score more than 100 in an ODI and carnage in T20s as well.

Agar Kohli, Rohit, ya AB kay haath lag gaya... to you can't imagine what they'll do to him. :sree :sree

He CANNOT be played at #6 or #7 as a batsman, doesn't belong, and will keep on losing us matches with his batting - struggling to put on good totals/chases.
 
Hawkeye said:
Bowling - he's a darter, and can be handy on slow, low, turning tracks.

On batting tracks, batsmen will LOVE to take him apart - probably score more than 100 in an ODI and carnage in T20s as well.

Agar Kohli, Rohit, ya AB kay haath lag gaya... to you can't imagine what they'll do to him. :sree :sree
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lol don't know what's the logic behind it.
Imad's worst ODI bowling figures are 0/69 in Australia on a flat deck, where they scored 353 and Warner scored 130.
In that match Amir and Junaid also got their worst ODI bowling figures, 0/75 and 0/82 respectively.
Imad is a very handy bowler even Australians struggled against him and failed to score runs in the first 2 matches where Imad was the most economical bowler,they later targeted him and became aggressive against him but still Imad managed to make them do mistakes, thanks to our fielders Imad does not have more wickets.
 
Sub-Zero said:
lol don't know what's the logic behind it.
Imad's worst ODI bowling figures are 0/69 in Australia on a flat deck, where they scored 353 and Warner scored 130.
In that match Amir and Junaid also got their worst ODI bowling figures, 0/75 and 0/82 respectively.
Imad is a very handy bowler even Australians struggled against him and failed to score runs in the first 2 matches where Imad was the most economical bowler,they later targeted him and became aggressive against him but still Imad managed to make them do mistakes, thanks to our fielders Imad does not have more wickets.
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A team needs a few matches to work him out. What I said is the most likely scenario on a good batting track.

He'll trouble on slow low turners.
 
Hawkeye said:
A team needs a few matches to work him out. What I said is the most likely scenario on a good batting track.

He'll trouble on slow low turners.
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a series have 3 or 5 matches, even if Imad is good in like 2-3 matches, he's still very good, no one bowls superbly in every match, even Starc and Hazlewood had couple of mediocre games.
don't know what you are expecting from the bowlers.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
He is okay at everything without being great. Needs to add more variety to his bowling because history has shown that on flat decks teams eventually find him out and essentially play him as a medium pacer
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said this in a thread on him during the England series, that exactly this would happen!

Had a novely factor about him initially, so all teams/batter struggled. However as time went on, teams found out his limitations, and worked him out.

exactly this happened in the recent Aus ODI series - started off the first 2 games well whilst there was a surprise factor, got pumped after that!

DEFINITELY needs to get some variety/up his game, otherwise hell be a 1/60 off 10 bowler.

Batting, im not convinced, hits some amazing shots - see 1st ODI facing Pat Cummins, straight drive 6, but something still seems to be missing..

don't know what to think about him..
 
batting:
playing at 6 or 7 is not his spot. He could be a solid player if promoted up. who knows he might flourish as an opener. he has almost all shots in him.

bowling: he is between good and okay. the more he plays, he will improve.
 
A bit of an enigma tbh. At times, he looks quality and at times, he looks average. Has a good attitude though.
 
Seems hit and miss with the bat. He did well against England but hasn't contributed much since. He doesn't look like a batsman who can start slogging from ball one so maybe a run at #6 is worth trying but his domestic List A batting record isn't anything to shout about.

With his action he'll struggle to get much turn. Batsmen need to learn not to play across the line against him as he's a bowler that'll mainly pick up bowleds and LBWs with those deliveries that slide on.

If Imad's going to be a second spinner supporting act to the likes of Asghar or Gohar, and able to consistently produce 1-40 off 10 overs then I'm OK with that, but he shouldn't be our lead spinner.
 
Markhor said:
Seems hit and miss with the bat. He did well against England but hasn't contributed much since. He doesn't look like a batsman who can start slogging from ball one so maybe a run at #6 is worth trying but his domestic List A batting record isn't anything to shout about.

With his action he'll struggle to get much turn. Batsmen need to learn not to play across the line against him as he's a bowler that'll mainly pick up bowleds and LBWs with those deliveries that slide on.

If Imad's going to be a second spinner supporting act to the likes of Asghar or Gohar, and able to consistently produce 1-40 off 10 overs then I'm OK with that, but he shouldn't be our lead spinner.
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I agree. Imad should not be the lead spinner. He is a very good option for 5th bower.
 
Depends on the format.

He can play as an A/R in Tests at no. 7 and is okay with the ball, but will need a wicket taking spinner with him.

In ODI's, he is good with the ball and can bat is well.

In T20's, very good with the ball and can hit at the end.

My only issue with him, he lacks power hitting against the pacemen and should look to hit fours instead, but can hit a six when it is in his zone (down the ground).
 
aloo paratha said:
FC average is 42. No way he's "at best a 20 run" player.
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His List A avg is 28 which means he can't keep up the FC 42 avg when a higher strike rate is needed. Btw List A strike rates are much lower in Pakistan compared to International ODIs which could mean difficult in keeping up the 28.

And for a lower order batsman at number 6-8, strike rate is as important as average. Less than 100 strike rate is only satisfactory for number 9-11.

I am not against the guy - I want him to succeed against the odds - all i am saying that odds are nto really in his favor.
 
Bowls nothing more than medium paced in-swingers, that become facilely managed and nugatory when batsman play him down the ground, case in point- NZ series and last two ODIs against Australia.

Becomes a wicket taking option in the T20 format when batsman are required to play across the line.
 
Ellipsism said:
Bowls nothing more than medium paced in-swingers, that become facilely managed and nugatory when batsman play him down the ground, case in point- NZ series and last two ODIs against Australia.

Becomes a wicket taking option in the T20 format when batsman are required to play across the line.
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Only had one bad game in Aus. And he can spin it when needed. Imad's height also contributes into him being a handy bowler.
 
Ok batsman but nothing too special. Bowling wise, he is a spinner who can't spin the bowl. Teams intially struggle against him but when he is inevitably figured out, he is smacked around the park. Unfortunately due to our lack of upcoming talent, he is vital in our LOI sides.
 
Neither a good bowler nor a good batsman, epitome of bits and pieces player. Will be found out very soon.
 
I think he is bits and pieces. he wont last long as his batting is very limited and bowling lacks sharpness. He has to work really hard to maintain his place in the team.
 
The_KING said:
Ok batsman but nothing too special. Bowling wise, he is a spinner who can't spin the bowl. Teams intially struggle against him but when he is inevitably figured out, he is smacked around the park. Unfortunately due to our lack of upcoming talent, he is vital in our LOI sides.
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This !

It's an ongoing trend with him, he is good for first 1-2 games and gets figured out by the batsman more they play him. Needs to spin more instead of darting every ball in.
 
Very limited in both fields, but I think his bowling is slightly better than his batting which has not performed since the England series
 
His batting is not properly utilised by sending when almost everything is lost and and simply throws his bat around.
 
Cricket World said:
His batting is not properly utilised by sending when almost everything is lost and and simply throws his bat around.
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Yeah we have no hitters so someone has to come in at 7. He is actually striking the ball cleaner since the UK series. The hitting technique has improved definitely.
 
Rayyman said:
Yeah we have no hitters so someone has to come in at 7. He is actually striking the ball cleaner since the UK series. The hitting technique has improved definitely.
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I think Imad is not a lower order t20 batsman though, he should bat in the middle order
 
Good opportunity for Imad to show his batting abilities and temperament today. He just needs to play at a run a ball, feed the strike to Babar and stay not out till the end.
 
Karachi should open the batting with Imad. Gayles having a shocker
 
Boi said:
Karachi should open the batting with Imad. Gayles having a shocker
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I think they need to go back to Shahzaib for opening. One of the few Pakistani batsmen who can play aggressively at the top. Imad & KP should interchangeably bat at 6/7 depending upon the match situation.
 
He bats too low should come up the order,before malik and bopara(shouldn't play at all)
 
GudduBadmash said:
Mahmudullah and Riley looked like the bowling versions of Don Bradman. I would not hype any spinner including Shane Warne if he bowled on that pitch
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considering our national team fast bowlers fail to deliver even on greentops, Imad is still a blessing
 
I am very disappointed with some negative comments about Imad here.

He is a very very good all rounder, a world class all rounder.Pakistan may ruin his talent by making him bat at no 8.He should bat at 6.He has a very good body language,he never gives up and he seriously looks to be a captain material.I am a very big fan of him.
 
He's the guy who talks big in interviews but has zero performance to back it up... kinda like Wahab Riaz, Posh lad, who's in for his English and personality rather than his output..
 
SaadAliG said:
I was very indifferent about Imad when he first arrived at international scene but was quickly becoming a fan. These past few performances are making me wonder if his own hype has got into his head. Is he really a good batsman or a good bowler? I'm not sure on him. What does he lack, or possess for that matter?
What's the jury on him, is he a "hack"(new to pp, am I doing it right?).
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Time to bench this guy since we have a much better bowling allrounder in Shadab, and a better hard hitting batsmen than him in Fahim Ashraf... the guy can't spin the ball to save his life and is all words and no action
 
When it comes to batting he's not exactly a power player, he takes time to get settled then he can go big. But he targets the legside too much.

His bowling is fustrating as all he seems capeble of is darting the ball. Even when he has been found out by batsmen he will stick to darting and won't attempt to flight the ball or vary his pace at all.

Don't understand why some on this forum would play Imad over Shadab. Shadab has variations and his batting has much more potential than Imads.

The next few months are vital for Imad, a bad CT could see him dropped.
 
Hasan123 said:
When it comes to batting he's not exactly a power player, he takes time to get settled then he can go big. But he targets the legside too much.

His bowling is fustrating as all he seems capeble of is darting the ball. Even when he has been found out by batsmen he will stick to darting and won't attempt to flight the ball or vary his pace at all.

Don't understand why some on this forum would play Imad over Shadab. Shadab has variations and his batting has much more potential than Imads.

The next few months are vital for Imad, a bad CT could see him dropped.
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English wickets and weather can be really good for Imad as a bowler if it rains he will get help of the surface because the pitch usually becomes a bit sticky. And if its cloudy he could get a bit of swing. I have a caveat though Bangladesh are better players of spin than many of the other countries and they have a barrage of left arm spinners to practice against. Most of the others players despite seeing him for many years now still play for spin where there isnt any.
 
Couch Cricketer said:
English wickets and weather can be really good for Imad as a bowler if it rains he will get help of the surface because the pitch usually becomes a bit sticky. And if its cloudy he could get a bit of swing. I have a caveat though Bangladesh are better players of spin than many of the other countries and they have a barrage of left arm spinners to practice against. Most of the others players despite seeing him for many years now still play for spin where there isnt any.
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Kind of overrating a guy who has hardly managed to perform against any big side..
 
Imad is a must in shorter formats. He is already a more useful lower order batsman than the likes of Akmal and Rizwan. His bowling is a bonus.
 
He's our James Hopes. He's not international standard with either bat or ball but with both together he makes the cut.
 
He is only a decent to good T20 bowler.

As a batsman, he can be more handy in Test cricket.
 
Gunner85 said:
I think he is Pakistani version of Sir Raveendra Jadeja
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Bowling and batting wise both are equal in LOI format.

I reckon Jaddu can hit big shots. Never seen Imad hit as crisply as Jaddu.

Jaddu is a fun fielder. Imad is below average fielder.
 
troodon said:
Bowling and batting wise both are equal in LOI format.

I reckon Jaddu can hit big shots. Never seen Imad hit as crisply as Jaddu.

Jaddu is a fun fielder. Imad is below average fielder.
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Imad's a better batsman, but Jadeja's a better big hitter.
 
he's not the player most of us thought he was- he's no power hitter but he's a smart and economical bowler

he's a solid cricketer overall- hopefully once Shadab proves his batting there won't be a need for Imad
 
Imad is a good all rounder.Pakistan hasn't utilized any all rounder well since prematurely making end of carrier of Razzaq and Azhar..Imad should not be wasted any more.
 
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SaadAliG said:
I was very indifferent about Imad when he first arrived at international scene but was quickly becoming a fan. These past few performances are making me wonder if his own hype has got into his head. Is he really a good batsman or a good bowler? I'm not sure on him. What does he lack, or possess for that matter?
What's the jury on him, is he a "hack"(new to pp, am I doing it right?).
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Imad Wasim is really not a good bowler nor a good batsman. During the golden era of talented Pakistan crickters, players like Imad Wasim would not have made the Pakistan squad let alone in the playing 11. So his inclusion in the team 11 tells me that the Pakistan talent level has depleted a lot.
 
Syed1 said:
I guess you missed the England tour last summer.
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His bowling stats in England? He has been very poor vs Australia and Newzealand.. his bowling is nowhere near the level it is supposed to be for a spinner
 
Have a feeling he won't be there for long with the emergence of Shadab/Faheem. Especially since Faheem seems to be more of use as a batsman for us. But both of these guys are still new to this level so that will buy Imad some time.

Since Mickey prefers him he will be there till at least 2018.
 
Hasan123 said:
When it comes to batting he's not exactly a power player, he takes time to get settled then he can go big. But he targets the legside too much.

His bowling is fustrating as all he seems capeble of is darting the ball. Even when he has been found out by batsmen he will stick to darting and won't attempt to flight the ball or vary his pace at all.

Don't understand why some on this forum would play Imad over Shadab. Shadab has variations and his batting has much more potential than Imads.

The next few months are vital for Imad, a bad CT could see him dropped.
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Yeah, Imad cannot hit.

Also, Shadab looks a good bat but I'm not sure if he can hit either.
 
he will easily replace malik/hafeez in the long run if persisted with... need to focus on his fitness, been getting big and heavy recently...
 
srh said:
Imad Wasim is really not a good bowler nor a good batsman. During the golden era of talented Pakistan crickters, players like Imad Wasim would not have made the Pakistan squad let alone in the playing 11. So his inclusion in the team 11 tells me that the Pakistan talent level has depleted a lot.
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Pakistan was no Australia. Plenty of worse cricketers played even in that era. Afridi is just one example who mostly played as a batsman in the 90s.
 
In the history of ODI cricket, has there been a greater case of one player completely owning another

Mainul said:
I am very disappointed with some negative comments about Imad here.

He is a very very good all rounder, a world class all rounder.Pakistan may ruin his talent by making him bat at no 8.He should bat at 6.He has a very good body language,he never gives up and he seriously looks to be a captain material.I am a very big fan of him.
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As a bowler Imad got hit for 19 runs in 5 balls by Pandya.
As a batsman Imad was out first ball to Pandya.

I have a question. In the history of ODI cricket, has there ever been a greater case of one player completely owning another player?
 
Shadab Khan looks to be a better bat than this Imad character. And better bowler as well. He's the only one who can hold his head up in that Pak team today. Going forward, he should be an automatic pick as the 1st spinner for the ODI team. Imad's biggest fans in their wildest dreams can't, or shouldn't put him anywhere near Jadeja.
 
Napa said:
As a bowler Imad got hit for 19 runs in 5 balls by Pandya.
As a batsman Imad was out first ball to Pandya.

I have a question. In the history of ODI cricket, has there ever been a greater case of one player completely owning another player?
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I don't blame him for getting hot, nothing much a spinner can do at the death.
 
Neither a batsman, nor a bowler. These sort of bits and pieces players need to be avoided. Imad needs to be dropped from the next squad. Fahim also seems like a bits and pieces cricketer to me. Number 7 should be proper batsman who can roll his arm over. This is the strategy most teams are employing. Shadab is good enough to be our main solitary spinner. His batting is bonus.
 
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