Is India Broke?

[Itachi]

lol

My OP clearly suggested India is NOT broke, which is why I mentioned the spending.

The point many on here are missing is very simple.

Why doesnt the BJP government start spending some money to help Indians as other nations have done? I.e UK borrowed over £300 billion to pay wages, increase support for health services? How much has Indian spent on Covid for the 1.2 billion people it has?

Why are dozens of charities and bollywood stars asking for donations?

1. we don't believe in handouts. we also don't promote handouts. People should be self sufficient but if emergency arises, only then govt comes in which is what happened in lock downs. but other than that, people will have to work, earn and feed themselves.

2. what charities or celebrities does is their personal choice and shouldn't be taken as representation of "India" unless official authority authorizes them to.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

1. we don't believe in handouts. we also don't promote handouts. People should be self sufficient but if emergency arises, only then govt comes in which is what happened in lock downs. but other than that, people will have to work, earn and feed themselves.

2. what charities or celebrities does is their personal choice and shouldn't be taken as representation of "India" unless official authority authorizes them to.

Pretty much confirms what I supposed in my last post.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How is center responsible for oxygen shortage?

The central government seems to have absolved itself of all responsibility in this catastrophic failure yet takes credit for the accomplishment of the country.

You guys give modi too much leeway.

 

[Itachi]

The central government seems to have absolved itself of all responsibility in this catastrophic failure yet takes credit for the accomplishment of the country.

You guys give modi too much leeway.

The central govt implements policy. In this case, if a state has quoted much bigger quote forseeing the pandemic but central refused to do so, you have a case. but that didn't happen here.

If there is a policy failure, central govt will be responsible for it. But here, execution was at fault which was under state govt.

 

[MP2011]

The central government seems to have absolved itself of all responsibility in this catastrophic failure yet takes credit for the accomplishment of the country.

You guys give modi too much leeway.

These 2 are hardcore bhakts of the bigot, what else did you expect? Let lakhs die, doesn't matter. What matters is that the bigot must go scot free from this mess, which every human knows, is solely his doing.

 

[guna]

India is not begging for money. Monetary help that certain countries are providing is appreciated though. What India needs is vaccines and efficient delivery of them. They also need oxygen cylinders too with so many people struggling with pneumonia from COVID.

 

[MP2011]

Is India headed by the most incapable leader in its history? Probably yes.

Lol, you still have doubts!

I too had my doubts but after beef lynchings started taking place with alarming regularity, I became firm in my mind that this creature is a different pest altogether.

 

[guna]

These 2 are hardcover bhakts of the bigot, what else did you expect? Let lakhs die, doesn't matter. What matters is that the bigot must go scot free from this mess, which every human knows, is solely his doing.

India was ill prepared fir the 2nd wave of Covid-19. BJP government has to take blame for this. However, you cannot shut down the country indefinitely. Millions will die of hunger if done so.

Overall, it’s terrible situation in India. The mutant 2nd wave of COVID causing trouble now could not have been avoided. India is an overcrowded country with millions living in poverty with very poor hygienic standards. This was bound to happen in India.

Modi government should take blame for allowing Kumbh mela.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The central govt implements policy. In this case, if a state has quoted much bigger quote forseeing the pandemic but central refused to do so, you have a case. but that didn't happen here.

If there is a policy failure, central govt will be responsible for it. But here, execution was at fault which was under state govt.

Was the covid policy not directed by the central govt? We saw Modi lecture other countries by mentioning how well India had done and how it should inspire others. The BJP itself mentioned the below:

“It can be said with pride, India . . . defeated Covid-19 under the able, sensible, committed and visionary leadership of Prime Minister Modi . . . The party unequivocally hails its leadership for introducing India to the world as a proud and victorious nation in the fight against Covid.”

Here is what the health minister mentioned:

In early March, India's health minister Harsh Vardhan declared the country was "in the endgame" of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Mr Vardhan also lauded Prime Minister Narendra Modi's leadership as an "example to the world in international co-operation". From January onwards, India had begun shipping doses to foreign countries as part of its much-vaunted "vaccine diplomacy".

To me its quite clear the hubris promoted by the central govt led to others letting their guard down. Now as KKWC has mentioned in the OP the centre can't even bother to free up resources for these people. You guys have been badly let down by these goons man and I struggle to see why they get so much support.
Its a clear policy failure and God forbid it gets even more out of control or spreads to neighbouring countries.

 

[Local.Dada]

Asking for handout would be something like not being in a position to buy or produce a single vaccine and wait on handouts.

I am sure China would have sold India a billion vaccines put together in some sweat shop in a hurry to vaccinate everyone and be done with it. Yes, there is a vaccine shortage due to logistic issues and unexpected wave and some support is required.

I am sure there are other things to worry about.

People here accuse Indians of being obsessed with Pakistan and butting their heads in but just to put it in perspective

There is actually a wave in Pakistan. Is it better or worse than India shouldn’t matter because doesn’t matter if 100000 or 100, people shouldn’t be dying due to lack of facilities. I wonder why no one is concerned about Pakistan’s ability to handle this situation given how their economic situation or diplomatic standing is currently.

I am sure there are mostly good people here who are generally concerned for humanity and can look beyond Ind-Pak but surprisingly the It’s trending topics seem to be Coronavirus in India or of IPL needs to be cancelled while the panic needs to set in how Pakistan would come out of it.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I am sure there are other things to worry about.

People here accuse Indians of being obsessed with Pakistan and butting their heads in but just to put it in perspective

There is actually a wave in Pakistan. Is it better or worse than India shouldn’t matter because doesn’t matter if 100000 or 100, people shouldn’t be dying due to lack of facilities. I wonder why no one is concerned about Pakistan’s ability to handle this situation given how their economic situation or diplomatic standing is currently.

I am sure there are mostly good people here who are generally concerned for humanity and can look beyond Ind-Pak but surprisingly the It’s trending topics seem to be Coronavirus in India or of IPL needs to be cancelled while the panic needs to set in how Pakistan would come out of it.

Very stupid post.

It’s a Pakistani forum so obv there will be Pakistani participation in every thread.

Also Pakistani coronavirus thread is also active and people are consistently pointing out how government is ill prepared and not taking serious steps.

But Pakistani also doesn’t have hundreds of people dying on the streets gasping for their breaths as their families unsuccessfully try to procure oxygen whilst the central government absolves itself of all responsibility and is busy playing the blame game... such a situation isn’t happening in Pakistan. So if you have a bit of intellect you can figure out why Pakistan is not getting as much attention as the situation in India. May Allah keep Pakistan safe from that and not let such a situatio occur

 

[sjahmed23]

Has India deployed its militaty in the fight against covid? Military help in logistics is needed when the situation gets out of hand, even in the US national guard was called when things got bad to setup hospital beds and other services. It seems like India has been badly exposed and their politicians just want to play blame game rather than cohesively stablize the country and save lives.

Pakistan and Bangladesh in this regard have been much better. Modi ji is failing to learn from his neighbors.

 

[Local.Dada]

Has India deployed its militaty in the fight against covid? Military help in logistics is needed when the situation gets out of hand, even in the US national guard was called when things got bad to setup hospital beds and other services. It seems like India has been badly exposed and their politicians just want to play blame game rather than cohesively stablize the country and save lives.

Pakistan and Bangladesh in this regard have been much better. Modi ji is failing to learn from his neighbors.

At the same time, once the military is deployed Pakistan covid numbers seem to disappear magically as well just like in the first wave.

We were hearing horror stories in Italy, UK and other countries and people were predicting the apocalypse but they bounced back.

India has in the past handled Nipah virus, plague etc. in fact it’s incredible that a huge country like India has been able to eliminate polio. Which 3 country still have active polio cases, you can do some research.

As I said, yes it is a moment of concern and even panic. But what gives me confidence is how India especially the medical staff and governments have stepped up during crisis in the past. It’s not just about Modi, India have many tall leaders of different skill sets and leadership capabilities that will step up. We don’t depend on 1-2 messiahs.

If people are really concerned, thanks but there should be bigger concerns. Trust me no way I am hoping to see Pakistan’s situation deteriorating. In fact it’s absolutely ok if Pakistan does better. I will keep that in my prayers. However I mean how pathetic should one be to hope on common folk dying so that you can win some obscure internet battle on social media or forums.

When I see 0 concern at home and blame game about India or it’s government , it concerns me even more to see what peoples priorities are.

 

[OldWarHorse]

The central govt implements policy. In this case, if a state has quoted much bigger quote forseeing the pandemic but central refused to do so, you have a case. but that didn't happen here.

If there is a policy failure, central govt will be responsible for it. But here, execution was at fault which was under state govt.

People will keep dying, you'll keep sitting: Delhi HC raps Centre on non-supply of full oxygen quota

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/people-will-keep-dying-you-ll-keep-sitting-delhi-hc-centre-non-supply-full-oxygen-quota-1796103-2021-04-29

 

[cricketjoshila]

The central government seems to have absolved itself of all responsibility in this catastrophic failure yet takes credit for the accomplishment of the country.

You guys give modi too much leeway.

Health is a state subject. States have the responsibility to build health infrastructure. Central government can only support them or sometimes fund them.

Let me talk about my state, no hospital worth its name has been built in Kolkata in last 30 years. Only big hospital worth the name is AIIMS Kalyani built 50kms awsy from Kolkata by the Modi govt. While Mamta govt is funding madrasas, Imam salaries, durga puja pandals, local clubs etc etc.

 

[cricketjoshila]

People will keep dying, you'll keep sitting: Delhi HC raps Centre on non-supply of full oxygen quota

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/people-will-keep-dying-you-ll-keep-sitting-delhi-hc-centre-non-supply-full-oxygen-quota-1796103-2021-04-29

Delhi HC slams Delhi government, says 52,000 vials of Remdesivir delivered not 2,500

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-hospitals-delhi-hc-kejriwal-1795967-2021-04-

Set your house in order': Delhi HC slams Kejriwal government over COVID-19 mismanagement

https://www.cnbctv18.com/healthcare...t-over-covid-19-mismanagement-9084421.htm/amp


Delhi HC slams AAP govt over black marketing of oxygen cylinders

https://m.timesofindia.com/videos/c...f-oxygen-cylinders/amp_videoshow/82277498.cms

If you can't manage, we'll ask Centre to take over: Delhi HC pulls up Kejriwal govt over Covid crisis

https://www.indiatvnews.com/amp/new...-supply-covid-medicines-latest-updates-700878

 

[Itachi]

Was the covid policy not directed by the central govt? We saw Modi lecture other countries by mentioning how well India had done and how it should inspire others. The BJP itself mentioned the below:

“It can be said with pride, India . . . defeated Covid-19 under the able, sensible, committed and visionary leadership of Prime Minister Modi . . . The party unequivocally hails its leadership for introducing India to the world as a proud and victorious nation in the fight against Covid.”

Here is what the health minister mentioned:

In early March, India's health minister Harsh Vardhan declared the country was "in the endgame" of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Mr Vardhan also lauded Prime Minister Narendra Modi's leadership as an "example to the world in international co-operation". From January onwards, India had begun shipping doses to foreign countries as part of its much-vaunted "vaccine diplomacy".

To me its quite clear the hubris promoted by the central govt led to others letting their guard down. Now as KKWC has mentioned in the OP the centre can't even bother to free up resources for these people. You guys have been badly let down by these goons man and I struggle to see why they get so much support.
Its a clear policy failure and God forbid it gets even more out of control or spreads to neighbouring countries.

You need to unberstand more about the covid turbulance in india. It isn't the finance that is the reson. It is the logisitics and lack of time both which can not be solved under a short period.

As I've said earlier, if money could weed out covid, atleast US won't have crisis.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Delhi HC slams Delhi government, says 52,000 vials of Remdesivir delivered not 2,500

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-hospitals-delhi-hc-kejriwal-1795967-2021-04-

Set your house in order': Delhi HC slams Kejriwal government over COVID-19 mismanagement

https://www.cnbctv18.com/healthcare...t-over-covid-19-mismanagement-9084421.htm/amp


Delhi HC slams AAP govt over black marketing of oxygen cylinders

https://m.timesofindia.com/videos/c...f-oxygen-cylinders/amp_videoshow/82277498.cms

If you can't manage, we'll ask Centre to take over: Delhi HC pulls up Kejriwal govt over Covid crisis

https://www.indiatvnews.com/amp/new...-supply-covid-medicines-latest-updates-700878

Nothing there thats doesnt describe mismanagement from Delhi Govt. I wont argue with that.

I was replying to a post about the centre not failing to fulfill a state's requested quota, which isnt true for Delhi.

 

[Itachi]

These 2 are hardcore bhakts of the bigot, what else did you expect? Let lakhs die, doesn't matter. What matters is that the bigot must go scot free from this mess, which every human knows, is solely his doing.

Seriosuly man.... what contribution you do in any thread except calling people "bhakts, bhakts, bhakts".... Atleast forward your agrument instead of spamming.

 

[Itachi]

Nothing there thats doesnt describe mismanagement from Delhi Govt. I wont argue with that.

I was replying to a post about the centre not failing to fulfill a state's requested quota, which isnt true for Delhi.

Delhi did get its full quota of 490 MT. The court intervened in terms of logistics.

 

[MP2011]

Seriosuly man.... what contribution you do in any thread except calling people "bhakts, bhakts, bhakts".... Atleast forward your agrument instead of spamming.

It's you who are biggest spammer in every thread which takes stock of your god's gross incompetence with your stupid centre can't be blamed, blah blah...

My argument is stop this bhakti and see the horrible state of the country your God has gotten us into.

But I know you still won't as your head has gone too far down the ground.

 

[MP2011]

Why I diss bhakts like you? Because only due to people like you we are in this state that we have an absolutely incompetent and bigot ruling and destroying us with impunity for last 7 years.

 

[Technics 1210]

I remember when India claimed it stopped receiving foreign aid, but seems like they cannot survive without foreign aid.

Nothing has changed, India remains subservient to the West.

 

[Local.Dada]

It's you who are biggest spammer in every thread which takes stock of your god's gross incompetence with your stupid centre can't be blamed, blah blah...

My argument is stop this bhakti and see the horrible state of the country your God has gotten us into.

But I know you still won't as your head has gone too far down the ground.

On the flip side you need to stop the hatred too.

You seem to be interested in scoring whatever political agenda you have instead of coming up with anything constructive.

Of course Modi is accountable as the head of state but it’s not like Modi can stop idiots who think all this is a hoax or even incompetency of state governments that are independent of him.

Every one acknowledges this is a bad situation but these type of things separate from a guy licking Italian boots to a guy who is genuinely concerned even if he has a different political ideology.

You are not fooling anyone with the same old Modi,Bhakt,RSS and other keywords or rhetoric you have going on there.

It’s like read one post and you have read them all with you lol

 

[OldWarHorse]

Delhi did get its full quota of 490 MT. The court intervened in terms of logistics.

Was it done today? I see there was another hearing this morning

 

[MP2011]

On the flip side you need to stop the hatred too.

You seem to be interested in scoring whatever political agenda you have instead of coming up with anything constructive.

Of course Modi is accountable as the head of state but it’s not like Modi can stop idiots who think all this is a hoax or even incompetency of state governments that are independent of him.

Every one acknowledges this is a bad situation but these type of things separate from a guy licking Italian boots to a guy who is genuinely concerned even if he has a different political ideology.

You are not fooling anyone with the same old Modi,Bhakt,RSS and other keywords or rhetoric you have going on there.

It’s like read one post and you have read them all with you lol

Lol and you are not fooling anyone with your agenda of licking your sanghi masters' boots in all possible threads.

Showed your true colors there by invoking Italy there btw. What has Italy gotta to do with your god's murderous intents? Sanghi pests like you think that by invoking Italy, you think you have scored a point.

Unlike you shameless bhakts, I'm not bhakt of Congress or any other political party.

But one thing is certain, anyone will do in India, even a donkey than your master!

 

[MP2011]

Was it done today? I see there was another hearing this morning

Lol, the incompetent fools at centre asked for hearing to be postponed till Monday so that it's hapless officials could mount a defence of the bigot. But Delhi HC had none of it.

Let innocent people die till Monday, bigot needs 2 more days for his officials to defend him in the court!

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

[MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] [MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION]

If Modi can take credit (he did, it’s verifiable fact) for controlling the first wave successfully (which India did for most part) and went so far as to declare victory in Jan-Feb; then why shouldn’t he take blame for current situation? You can’t have it both ways.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] [MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION]

If Modi can take credit (he did, it’s verifiable fact) for controlling the first wave successfully (which India did for most part) and went so far as to declare victory in Jan-Feb; then why shouldn’t he take blame for current situation? You can’t have it both ways.

Because Modi applied a nation wide lockdown.

Guess what were pakistanis and foreign media talking about?

Economic impact and migration of a small percentage of people due to the lockdown.

Pakistanis hate Modi. Western media Hated modi, unfortunately for them, they dont get to elect the Indian PM.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Because Modi applied a nation wide lockdown.

Guess what were pakistanis and foreign media talking about?

Economic impact and migration of a small percentage of people due to the lockdown.

Pakistanis hate Modi. Western media Hated modi, unfortunately for them, they dont get to elect the Indian PM.

Yes everyone is against the supreme leader who has made india into a first world superpower with $100k per capita income. Relying of foreign medical aid is just a smokescreen so world doesn’t realize the actual awesome situation.. )

Farmers protests, covid hell, CAA protests, IAF embarrassment, demonetization issues, Gujrat riots.... if anyone hates India they definitely want Modi for few years more lol

 

[MP2011]

for controlling the first wave successfully (which India did for most part)

We didn't. Period. Only reason our numbers looked decent and respectable during first wave because we simply didn't test enough. We still aren't!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes everyone is against the supreme leader who has made india into a first world superpower with $100k per capita income. Relying of foreign medical aid is just a smokescreen so world doesn’t realize the actual awesome situation.. )

Farmers protests, covid hell, CAA protests, IAF embarrassment, demonetization issues, Gujrat riots.... if anyone hates India they definitely want Modi for few years more lol

Who said farmer protest or CAA riots were against the majority of Indians? Demonetization was followed by Bjp winning UP and Modi winning another term.

Gujarat elected Modi for 3 more terms after the Gujarat riots.

Seems Indians differ from your views.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Bhakts are most gullible species in this universe, you can't possibly think that they'll ever change their course of deifying their god.

That’s what I don’t get and am trying to understand..why is this absolute blind following.

Why is there such blind support for Modi the person . It clearly doesn’t seem ideology at this point.

If you are right wing and believe all the right wing theories in India; that still doesn’t mean it’s either Modi or Congress. And nothing else. You can pick other right wing and other Bjp representation. Why is it Modi and Modi only?

If you are a rational, principled supporter; then You might believe in Modi and genuinely think that his ideals are the best for India. But clearly it hasn’t translated well on to real life. Maybe it’s a conspiracy against modi and people want him to fail but at some point that doesn’t matter. What we have as the net result is that whatever this guy touches is torched alight and everyone else suffers.

Gujrat riots, demonetization troubles, beef lynichng, mob justice, CAA protests, IAF/Pulwana disaster, Muslim-Hindu riots, Migrant crisis, farmers protests and now the cherry on top, this covid hell which has made parts of India like a war zone... Modi is central to all of it and whether he is partly or fully to be blamed for it; one thing you can’t run away is that he is central to these issues.

So at what point do you let go of your blind trust, see the common thread and cut your losses? Also it doesn’t mean if not Modi, then Rahul Gandhi.

I’m just trying to understand this as a non Indian.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...al-aid-as-several-countries-promise-help/amp/

Taiwan, Thailand and Singapore to also provide aid to India

 

[Giannis]

How big of a dork you have to be to memorize the stats on average income in countries half away across the world

 

[cricketjoshila]

Both are ahead of the national average so probably doesn’t matter much.

Anyways this scene is ironic:

People in India are dying on the streets gasping for their breath as their families frantically search for oxygen supply and hope that an Indian doctor can tend to them and also hope that the chanda given by foreign countries can alleviate their crisis rather than be gobbled up by the government...meanwhile the said doctor in India is celebrating that Indian Americans earn on average a bit more than Pakistani Americans who also earn well above the national average..

Indian Americans are far ahead of Pakistanis.

No pakistani help has been taken, so I guess pakistanis dont get a say in how that help is used.

Unlike pakistan, always asking for chanda, India actually helped out US during the pandemic, a fact the US President acknowledged. And US was not the only country helped by India.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Indian Americans are far ahead of Pakistanis.

No pakistani help has been taken, so I guess pakistanis dont get a say in how that help is used.

Unlike pakistan, always asking for chanda, India actually helped out US during the pandemic, a fact the US President acknowledged. And US was not the only country helped by India.

India did not help US. US bought hydrochloquin from india and paid for it handsomely.

On the other hand india is taking chanda

 

[Saj]

Guys.

Keep on topic.

No personal insults.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

On topic. Forget US. Even Taiwan, Thailand and Singapore Jusr deapatched foreign aid (for Urdu - “chanda”) to help India in its covid fight.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...al-aid-as-several-countries-promise-help/amp/

 

[cricketjoshila]

Here is his tweet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today, I spoke with Prime Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> and pledged America’s full support to provide emergency assistance and resources in the fight against COVID-19. India was there for us, and we will be there for them.</p>— President Biden (@POTUS) <a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1386746809431830536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Quote me the US president where he says sell.

Here is his tweet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today, I spoke with Prime Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> and pledged America’s full support to provide emergency assistance and resources in the fight against COVID-19. India was there for us, and we will be there for them.</p>— President Biden (@POTUS) <a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1386746809431830536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol. This is not selling. This is about providing support and aid (aka chanda). POTUS is literally saying they will provide emergency chanda.

Trump was the one who thanked India for Hydroxychloroquine. And the US paid for it. It was not aid or support. In fact trump strong armed India to lift its export ban which India did and then after buying it thanked India for it.

Don’t equate the two

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol. This is not selling. This is about providing support and aid (aka chanda). POTUS is literally saying they will provide emergency chanda.

Trump was the one who thanked India for Hydroxychloroquine. And the US paid for it. It was not aid or support. In fact trump strong armed India to lift its export ban which India did and then after buying it thanked India for it.

Don’t equate the two

The American President acknowledged that India helped America and now America will help India.

Rest pakistanis can think anything. No one is taking their help in India.

 

[Technics 1210]

There's a reason why only 11M Amreekans tuned into Biden's speech to Congress (Trump was averaging 40M). Biden is a fraud, warmongering, and racist President. He's only helping India because India is a stepping stone in a war against China.

West rinsing India again, nothing has changed.

 

[Technics 1210]

Remember folks, India is claiming the rate of infection/deaths is inline with worldwide C19 rates. If this is the case, why the extra help? Simple, India's C19 infection/death rate is under reported and way way worse than the anticipated. 100M barrier will be breached, if it hasn't all ready.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

As for the thread. People here can keep playing politics and denying the truth to save their small egos but in real life people are dying on the streets gasping for breath. So it’s really beautiful to see that the world is coming together to save humanity and providing all sort of aid to India in order to avert this disaster. I hope this chanda is used to help the population and can really help India put behind this covid hell. And even more importantly
Neighboring countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh also learn from this and don’t make same mistakes.

Really beautiful to see countries all over the world providing aid to India.

U.S. aid arrives in COVID-battered India as vaccination centers run out of shots and thousands gasp for air

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...ccine-shortages-us-aid-government-censorship/


Covid-Stricken India Receives Ventilators, International Aid As Several Countries Promise Help

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...al-aid-as-several-countries-promise-help/amp/

Thailand Sends Medical Aid To India To Fight Pandemic

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ommcom...ds-medical-aid-to-india-to-fight-pandemic/amp

Canada, S. Korea, Singapore, Mauritius announce aid to help India’s covid fight

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.li...announce-aid-to-india/amp-11619595469584.html

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

The American President acknowledged that India helped America and now America will help India.

Rest pakistanis can think anything. No one is taking their help in India.

Our neighourhing PM to get chanda. He is expert at it.

You have our best wishes. And hopefully this chanda makes to the right places. Not just American but UK, Thailand, Singapore wherever this aid may be from

 

[Technics 1210]

Are OCI's donating hard earned cash to their motherland? All that money earned from the IT industry in the West - put it to some use!

 

[KingKhanWC]

1. we don't believe in handouts. we also don't promote handouts. People should be self sufficient but if emergency arises, only then govt comes in which is what happened in lock downs. but other than that, people will have to work, earn and feed themselves.

2. what charities or celebrities does is their personal choice and shouldn't be taken as representation of "India" unless official authority authorizes them to.

1. India is a 3rd world country with hundreds of millions in poverty, they cant be self suffcient when many of these such people live to eat daily. You'd rather them go hungry and die due to no money for medical support, than your beloved government giving them some cash?

2. They are asking for donations because the RSS government isnt helping the ordinary people.

Im not sure why Indians are becoming defensive, this notion of a shuppapower was always a fantasy. The reality is India is a poor nation, with only a small percentage of wealthy people. The majority need help to live a basic life. All Indians should be in uproar demading the goverment help & support the people in any way possible.

The fact the Indian government has cash, wont borrow and are allowing people to suffer currently is rather disgusting.

Those Indians who will ignore this, always defend their nation in some delusion its some sort of great nation, should be thankful they are not poor or suffering, their tune would change quickly if this was the case.

 

[srh]

The $10M is symbolic, it is only for appearances. Indian forex reserves are $600B, so the $10M is like giving 1 cent to someone who has $600 in the bank

thats exactly my point, India does not need money, they have enough money to take care of their citizens, but they are not taking care of their citizens. Instead they are asking for donations, and other countries who have much less money than India, are giving them the money. This is bad and India is taking advantage of good nature of these countries. That donation money could have been used to help out real poor countries instead of India but India is refusing to spend its money on its citizens in distress. What good is $600B if you would not spend some of it on your citizens when those citizens badly need it? India looks like a miser with these types of acts.

 

[Napa]

This is even more dangerous. From what you are saying, India is like the fake beggar who pretends to be crippled but when he makes enough money from begging throws off his rags and drives off in a Mercedes.

I find it highly doubtful but I'm surprised you are deluded enough to believe it.

If the $600 billion number is fake then I am deluded, otherwise you are.

Some “celebrities” asking people to help doesn’t make anyone a beggar.

 

[kabbirann]

India is not a poor country ,it is however a very unequal country where corruption is the way of life.

Look at all the donations made to PM cares fund and how there is no accountability or transparency as to how it is spend and then look at how much money BJP has been spending on elections.

The lives of the poor never mattered in India ,what has changed is the middle class and upper middle class discovering that their lives don't matter as well.

This is going to have such long term social and economic consequences for India but for the short sighted sanghi's as long as Modi is winning elections " all is well"

 

[Napa]

its a 3 trillion dollar economy for what ? if you cant pay or make your own oxygen , equipment's etc thn trash this out in Arabian sea.

India has more than enough money to pay for oxygen. The issue is an unexpected spike in demand that cannot be met by existing manufacturing capacity. It takes time to increase supply 100X.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

India is not a poor country ,it is however a very unequal country where corruption is the way of life.

India is def a poor country.

The rich are very rich and live luxurious lives but that doesn’t mean that the country as whole can only be defined as poor

 

[Giannis]

India has more than enough money to pay for oxygen. The issue is an unexpected spike in demand that cannot be met by existing manufacturing capacity. It takes time to increase supply 100X.

They had a whole year to plan ahead, everyone saw what happened in Italy, Spain, UK, Brazil and New York.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

If the $600 billion number is fake then I am deluded, otherwise you are.

Some “celebrities” asking people to help doesn’t make anyone a beggar.

It’s not just celebrities. Government is accepting chanda and then thanking those countries

 

[Napa]

thats exactly my point, India does not need money, they have enough money to take care of their citizens, but they are not taking care of their citizens. Instead they are asking for donations, and other countries who have much less money than India, are giving them the money. This is bad and India is taking advantage of good nature of these countries. That donation money could have been used to help out real poor countries instead of India but India is refusing to spend its money on its citizens in distress. What good is $600B if you would not spend some of it on your citizens when those citizens badly need it? India looks like a miser with these types of acts.

There is a difference between having money and having supplies. India is asking for supplies, not money.

Similar to Canada asking India for vaccines a few months ago. That didn’t make Canada a beggar.

 

[Lego20]

What a pathetic, shameful point scoring thread . Want to see Pakistani posters here if/when god forbid they face the second wave. No country, including US/UK can do much when the infections explode like this with such lethality.

 

[Napa]

India did not help US. US bought hydrochloquin from india and paid for it handsomely.

On the other hand india is taking chanda

Do you have a cite where it says Indian government said “please donate to us because we don’t have money to pay?”

If you don’t have a cite then you are just making things up.

 

[Napa]

They had a whole year to plan ahead, everyone saw what happened in Italy, Spain, UK, Brazil and New York.

India is not China. It is a democracy. Government power is limited. People do as they please. Even now my friends in Delhi say people are walking around in parks because that’s what they want to do.

The government has made mistakes (for example the Kumbh Mela) but being a democracy has also contributed to the current spike.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What a pathetic, shameful point scoring thread . Want to see Pakistani posters here if/when god forbid they face the second wave. No country, including US/UK can do much when the infections explode like this with such lethality.

God Forbid it happens in any other country. The results may be the same but the hyperbole and hubris will be less at least. India has been humbled badly here, from Modi boasting that the world should take inspiration from him to the begging bowl now being placed out.

If God Forbid other Asian countries get the Indian strain I hope India is held accountable. This was gross incompetence.

 

[Giannis]

India is not China. It is a democracy. Government power is limited. People do as they please. Even now my friends in Delhi say people are walking around in parks because that’s what they want to do.

The government has made mistakes (for example the Kumbh Mela) but being a democracy has also contributed to the current spike.

So you're saying other countries like ones in Europe, Canada, states in Australia and various states in America aren't democracies unlike India cause they had strict lockdowns? Also I'm not even talking about the lockdown measures, my comment was in response to you claiming there's no way india could've increased production of ventilators and oxygen tanks in a "short time" when this is exact situation has been played out over the past year in Italy, Brazil, Spain and New York. India has no excuse for not trying to increase their ventilator stockpile over the last year in the event of another viral outbreak.

 

[Lego20]

God Forbid it happens in any other country. The results may be the same but the hyperbole and hubris will be less at least. India has been humbled badly here, from Modi boasting that the world should take inspiration from him to the begging bowl now being placed out.

If God Forbid other Asian countries get the Indian strain I hope India is held accountable. This was gross incompetence.

It doesnt work like that. The strains evolve locally with mutations.

 

[cricket4all]

India is a wealthy country and don’t need financial help or donations. However, it’s evident they need oxygen and medical supplies which they can pay for.

The problem is despite being a wealthy country there is lots living in poverty and help and aid is not reaching to them.

The Indian government is not asking for financial aid from outside but people like Priyanka Chopra and International charities are collecting or asking. Even Shoaib Akhtar wants to raise money. There is no need as India need medical supplies not cash.

 

[Itachi]

God Forbid it happens in any other country. The results may be the same but the hyperbole and hubris will be less at least. India has been humbled badly here, from Modi boasting that the world should take inspiration from him to the begging bowl now being placed out.

If God Forbid other Asian countries get the Indian strain I hope India is held accountable. This was gross incompetence.

This is unlike post from you.

No one has control over mutations. If tomorrow there's a new version from Pakistan arise, it doesn't mean Pakistan has to be blamed.

You can not stop mutation even with competence. Its a process beyond that.

 

[MenInG]

Thread is about India.

No need to drag Pakistan into it.

Has been explained before but seems people unable to comprehend

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

There is a difference between having money and having supplies. India is asking for supplies, not money.

Similar to Canada asking India for vaccines a few months ago. That didn’t make Canada a beggar.

The difference with Canada was.... Canada paid for those vaccines. India is talking charity. So no comparison

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

The difference with Canada was.... Canada paid for those vaccines. India is talking charity. So no comparison

Spot on. Indians trying to pull wool over our eyes.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Do you have a cite where it says Indian government said “please donate to us because we don’t have money to pay?”

If you don’t have a cite then you are just making things up.

You’re the ones making things up. It’s a fact that Indian government is accepting donations and aid. Prove otherwise

 

[cricket4all]

The Indian government and handling of covid and the explosion in a second wave is due to their stupidity and incompetence.

Their incompetence is the cause for the crisis being out of control and as big as it is. Poor common people India are suffering the most as a result.

 

[cricket4all]

Agree you can’t stop mutations or the virus just like that. What can be stopped is unnecessary social contact, mass gatherings etc. The Indian government didn’t really stop that did they? Or not to the extent they should have.

Instead good practices to help stop the spread and trying to control should be practiced. Obviously limit social gatherings, face masks, hand washing, vaccinations etc.

Political gatherings, rallies, clubbing, religious gatherings should be a big no no until there is control.

 

[Napa]

<b>So you're saying other countries like ones in Europe, Canada, states in Australia and various states in America aren't democracies unlike India cause they had strict lockdowns? </b>

People in the US have similar attitudes to Indians, they are not afraid of the government and do as they please.

About 4 months ago, the US hit its peak at around 300K daily new infections.



That is 3X time the per capita daily new infections currently being reported from India. Probably the Indian number is massively underreported, so I would guess the US and India have the same number of per capita daily new infections. Note that the US peak occurred in Jan 2021, when the US governments (state and Federal) had already had about a year to prepare.

US currently has about 30% fully vaccinated, which is a major check on the virus spreading. When it gets to 70% to 80%, we can expect the pandemic to end.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...entage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html

India has given around 150 million shots (not full vaccination), or 11.5% of the population. Vaccines will finally end the pandemic in India, but it will take about 6 to 8 more months than the US.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56345591

As for the other countries you mentioned, I think the experience of the Western European countries and the US has been rather similar.

 

[guna]

With money you need good planners who can anticipate disasters. BJP failed in that regard.

But blaming BJP for the spread of the pandemic or calling India broke is rubbish. India has more than enough money. But in a short notice, no amount of money can procure emergency health equipment.

 

[Napa]

The difference with Canada was.... Canada paid for those vaccines. India is talking charity. So no comparison

India can easily pay a few billion dollars out of its $584 billion forex reserves.

https://tradingeconomics.com/india/foreign-exchange-reserves

If India had only enough money for a few months of imports, say $50 billion, it would have been different. But that is not the case. If I am sick and my neighbor brings over his stock of paracetamol, I am not going to insult him by offering to pay $10. It is a gesture that builds goodwill, similar to whatever supplied countries may now be sending to India.

As for Canada having paid India, obviously Canada didn't pay market price. There are people I know in the US who a couple of months ago would have paid $10,000 for a vaccine shot which they could not buy even at that price. Instead India charged $10 per shot for the vaccines. Again, that is the civilized thing to do, not charge market price from people who are in need.

It is pointless talking about payment for vaccines, it is not something which is supplied based on the market price, it is supplied as a goodwill gesture.

 

[Napa]

You’re the ones making things up. It’s a fact that Indian government is accepting donations and aid. Prove otherwise

I have no interest in trying to prove a negative. You made a statement, so it is your responsibility to provide cites to back up what you said.

No more replies unless I see something intelligent.

 

[Lego20]

You’re the ones making things up. It’s a fact that Indian government is accepting donations and aid. Prove otherwise

Some friendly countries are giving it complementary (out of their caring, generosity and admiration for similar Indian help over the last one year. While our capacity to offer help complementary is limited, we did our bit with many millions of complementary vaccine doses and medicine vials) - however the ask was for material and equipment (not for free - provide references of official ask for free aid). India is willing and able to pay.

The value is on timely logistics supply - not the money part of it.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I have no interest in trying to prove a negative. You made a statement, so it is your responsibility to provide cites to back up what you said.

No more replies unless I see something intelligent.

So clearly when you’re called out you’re running with tail between your legs.

Still LOL-ing at Trying to compare India accepting aid from Canada to Canada paying India for vaccines )

 

[Itachi]

So clearly when you’re called out you’re running with tail between your legs.

Still LOL-ing at Trying to compare India accepting aid from Canada to Canada paying India for vaccines )

This is the person who claims has good intentions at heart....

KKWC, even with his weird and hypocritical ideology, atleast stays true to what he writes and doesn't make cheap posts like this with all smilies, laughing in a thread where we are discussing about deaths of people.

Atleast respect the subject of the thread and maintain it's gravity even if you disagree with someone.

 

[in_cutter]

Not broke but: heads were buried in sand. The fraudi Modi govt should have been prepared.

If im not mistaken, the kumbh mela was moved from 2022 to 2021. Which genius thought of this?

 

[in_cutter]

Rest pakistanis can think anything. No one is taking their help in India.

Arrogance.

Also, it would be too embarrassing for Modi & the bakhts to accept aid from Pakistan.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Either India is broke, or so corrupt/inhumane that it sits on a pile of cash yet has the most number of poor people in the world. Can't have both.