Is India Broke?

[Technics 1210]

India is indeed begging for money, if India wasn't, India would've refused any internationl charity, but it hasn't.

FX reserves in India are a lie, GDP figures are a lie, even the IMF agrees.

More than likely the begging bowls will be used to prop up any reserves, which is a pity because charity must end up with the people who are suffering in India, and not in the pockets of religious extremists.

Indian goverment has lost the plot. Exposed at the international level, and now reduced to begging for cash, and more so begging social media platforms such as Twitter and Facebook to remove posts which reveal the truth about India.

Doctors should be saving lives, not posting on forums.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Show me one announcement from the government that says they need aid.

With a forex of 580bn and economy of 3tn, India isnt in the need of aid. Rather it gives aid to many countries.

Many countries acknowledged that India helped them and now they are helping India.

India supplied vaccines to 95 countries.

Not the <b>Covid vaccine!</b>

As its been proven above that it only produces 2 covid vaccines:
(1) Contract manufacturing for Astra Zeneca.
(2) Some small quantity of its own Bharat Biotech’s Covaxin, which is very new and not an established product. Also your fellow bhakt has informed us that this vaccine is dependent on supplies from other countries.

Phir wohi gundi aadat k trying to hide behind ambiguous statements for chest thumping.

 

[Itachi]

First of all - It is a fact that India has a problem with it's medical infrastructure - which is shameful as they had more than a year to plan this out

Secondly - saying India has a problem and is now depending on foreigners to help does not constitute some sort of national shame for India.

these are the crux issues.

1. People who are not aware of the disaster management act 2005, the jurisdiction of central govt and state govt may not realize that sometimes, in case of India, finance isn't the issue but the timing and urgency which you can not buy with money.

2. In this thread, people have assumed that India is in trouble due to lack of financial resources rather than other factors. What was the basis of that? According to OP, it was based upon some celebrity tweets but no where anyone in this thread showed any documentation or press release from the Indian govt during this matter.

going back to the point 1, Since that is already occurring in India, how come one automatically conclude the second?

This whole thread is running on false premise up to this point based upon OP which doesn't have any evidence to begin with.

India has other issues which we can discuss on its respective threads but right now, finance isn't one. That's all most indians are saying.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Show me one announcement from the government that says they need aid.

With a forex of 580bn and economy of 3tn, India isnt in the need of aid. Rather it gives aid to many countries.

Many countries acknowledged that India helped them and now they are helping India.

India supplied vaccines to 95 countries.

Despite those economy numbers; world ranging from US to Norway to Singapore is sending aid

 

[Itachi]

Despite those economy numbers; world ranging from US to Norway to Singapore is sending aid

When you visit someone at the hospital and bring fruits, it doesn't mean that person is unable to buy fruits. It's a nice gesture which people show when others facing hard times.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

When you visit someone at the hospital and bring fruits, it doesn't mean that person is unable to buy fruits. It's a nice gesture which people show when others facing hard times.

Hit and miss analogy. In this case the someone is bringing fruits and food which you cannot get on your own and were struggling due to not having it.

And most certainly you can’t equate it to the time when that someone visited your shop and paid you for a product. And say now we’re even..

Anyway this is all silly.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not the <b>Covid vaccine!</b>

As its been proven above that it only produces 2 covid vaccines:
(1) Contract manufacturing for Astra Zeneca.
(2) Some small quantity of its own Bharat Biotech’s Covaxin, which is very new and not an established product. Also your fellow bhakt has informed us that this vaccine is dependent on supplies from other countries.

Phir wohi gundi aadat k trying to hide behind ambiguous statements for chest thumping.

Covaxin itself has been exported to atleast 6 countries.

Any vaccine that is produced in India under license belongs to India, thats the law. Thats why when India decided to give it to countries they got it. When India stopped it, no one could do a thing.

As you see, various governments and WHO has acknowledged that India helped with medical supplies including vaccines.

A Pakistani denying it wont change the facts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Despite those economy numbers; world ranging from US to Norway to Singapore is sending aid

Because India sent medical supplies and vaccines to many countries around the world.

 

[Itachi]

Hit and miss analogy. In this case the someone is bringing fruits and food which you cannot get on your own and were struggling due to not having it.

And most certainly you can’t equate it to the time when that someone visited your shop and paid you for a product. And say now we’re even..

Anyway this is all silly.

You didn't even understand the analogy in the first place.

fruits = financial assistance in the analogy.

If you are assuming India is struggling due to financial trouble, refer to my post in reply to MIG above. I have already explained there.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Because India sent medical supplies and vaccines to many countries around the world.

India SOLD supplies.

India is RECEIVING AID now

 

[Itachi]

India SOLD supplies.

India is RECEIVING AID now

"sold" implies there were some transactions involved in terms of monetary benefits. what was the monetary benefit when india was "selling"

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

"sold" implies there were some transactions involved in terms of monetary benefits. what was the monetary benefit when india was "selling"

India was receiving money so yea there wa monetary benefit for India

 

[Itachi]

India was receiving money so yea there wa monetary benefit for India

How much money India received back then?

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

How much money India received back then?

Whatever it’s sold those vaccines and supplies for. I don’t manage India’s current account smh.

The simple fact is.

You can’t equate india receiving aid right now to India selling vaccines and supplies earlier: these are entirely independent events.

One was a financial exercise (which mind you, as it turns out india did at expense of its own population); and the other what’s happening right now is humanitarian aid.

I don’t even get why Indians are so stuck on it. There IS a humanitarian crisis in India so nothing wrong with accepting aid

 

[Itachi]

Whatever it’s sold those vaccines and supplies for. I don’t manage India’s current account smh.

The simple fact is.

You can’t equate india receiving aid right now to India selling vaccines and supplies earlier: these are entirely independent events.

One was a financial exercise (which mind you, as it turns out india did at expense of its own population); and the other what’s happening right now is humanitarian aid.

I don’t even get why Indians are so stuck on it. There IS a humanitarian crisis in India so nothing wrong with accepting aid

You are avoiding my question.

You stated India SOLD the vaccines and gained monetary benefits.

What I am asking is, what was the monetary benefits?

To which, you have no replies.

If you want to have a constructive discussion, I am open to discuss.

If your aim is to take cheap shots and point scoring in PP, then I'll stop here since I don't want to waste my time and yours too.

 

[cricket4all]

The selling of vaccines by India wasn't a money making thing in my opinion. The companies and government of India may have benefited financially or covered costs but it was more about helping others and also possibly a bit of gaining 'vaccine diplomacy benefits' or influence rather than say China.

 

[Itachi]

The selling of vaccines by India wasn't a money making thing in my opinion. The companies and government of India may have benefited financially or covered costs but it was more about helping others and also possibly a bit of gaining 'vaccine diplomacy benefits' or influence rather than say China.

vaccine diplomacy benefit will always be on cards in terms of India's interest. It's a positive side effect that anyone will want to have.

Right now, every country is trying to be in a type of symbiotic relationship with each other. Helping India could translate into helping themselves since if India crosses this phase, then it can ramp up the production of vaccines which will benefit the others who doesn't have the ability to produce in large scale horizontally and vertically if emergency occurs.

win win for both the parties.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

You are avoiding my question.

You stated India SOLD the vaccines and gained monetary benefits.

What I am asking is, what was the monetary benefits?

To which, you have no replies.

If you want to have a constructive discussion, I am open to discuss.

If your aim is to take cheap shots and point scoring in PP, then I'll stop here since I don't want to waste my time and yours too.

There’s no avoiding question.

The monetary benefit is the money indian entities received in the transaction of selling those vaccines it produced. I thought that’s very obvious

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

There’s no avoiding question.

The monetary benefit is the money indian entities received in the transaction of selling those vaccines it produced. I thought that’s very obvious

Regardless of how Indians here trying to spin it. India is NOT selling any covid vaccine. Its Astra Zeneca, which is selling the Vaccine.

Indias are only selling their labour to Astra Zeneca.

As for India’s own covid vaccine, it just came out and looks like Indian government itself is not investing in it (instead it seems keen on buying russian sputnik and other western covid vaccines).

 

[Napa]

India doesn't have $600 B, it probably has $60 B in reserves.

I assume you think the International Monetary Fund is also lying when it says India had $450 billion reserves back in 2019. (The precise number is $584 billion this week according to the RBI.)

https://data.imf.org/?sk=2DFB3380-3603-4D2C-90BE-A04D8BBCE237&sId=1481575889595

Still, even if we grant the figure of $600 Billion, that is still less than 50 cents per Indian. 50 cents doesn't even buy you an ice cream in India, let alone medicine - hence India is begging for money.

Nice... $0.50 per head for reserves of $600 billion implies a population of 1,200 billion, which is fantastic when you consider that the population of the entire world is 9 billion. You are what, a science or engineering graduate?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Regardless of how Indians here trying to spin it. India is NOT selling any covid vaccine. Its Astra Zeneca, which is selling the Vaccine.

Indias are only selling their labour to Astra Zeneca.

As for India’s own covid vaccine, it just came out and looks like Indian government itself is not investing in it (instead it seems keen on buying russian sputnik and other western covid vaccines).

Stop spreading falsehood.

All vaccines sold or donated by India were owned by Serum Institute of India as they have a license to produce and sell AZ vaccine. They in turn pay them a royalty. AZ doesn't sell SII vaccines.

Covaxin was approved in India on the same day as Covishield and the government has just made advance payment of 200mn usd.

In addition, another 6-7 countries have placed orders.

Sputnik V is approved in India. A number of private companies are free to sell it. No government order has been placed.

You can keep lying, it won't change the facts that the world thanked India for the vaccines.Both donation and commercial.

Even UK government had to go to SII to get 10mn vaccine doses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I assume you think the International Monetary Fund is also lying when it says India had $450 billion reserves back in 2019. (The precise number is $584 billion this week according to the RBI.)

https://data.imf.org/?sk=2DFB3380-3603-4D2C-90BE-A04D8BBCE237&sId=1481575889595




Nice... $0.50 per head for reserves of $600 billion implies a population of 1,200 billion, which is fantastic when you consider that the population of the entire world is 9 billion. You are what, a science or engineering graduate?

They are busy pushing agendas.

 

[Napa]

Stop spreading falsehood.

All vaccines sold or donated by India were owned by Serum Institute of India as they have a license to produce and sell AZ vaccine. They in turn pay them a royalty. AZ doesn't sell SII vaccines.

Covaxin was approved in India on the same day as Covishield and the government has just made advance payment of 200mn usd.

In addition, another 6-7 countries have placed orders.

Sputnik V is approved in India. A number of private companies are free to sell it. No government order has been placed.

You can keep lying, it won't change the facts that the world thanked India for the vaccines.Both donation and commercial.

Even UK government had to go to SII to get 10mn vaccine doses.

Not sure what this argument is about. The Indian government has the power to overrule Astra and SII about where vaccines produced in India will go. This is well documented. The Indian government restricted exports of the Astra/SII vaccine starting about a month ago when the current spike hit India. This is well documented, no need to keep arguing about this.

"Africa’s already slow vaccine drive is threatened as supplies from a stricken India are halted."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/africa/africa-india-vaccine-threat.html

"Africa CDC urges India to lift COVID vaccine export limits"

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/africa-cdc-urges-india-lift-covid-vaccine-export-77092177

Note the use of the phrase "export limits". It is the Government of India and not Astra or SII which decides "export limits".

Note that those claiming that Astra has the power to decide who gets the vaccines manufactured by SII haven't given even one reference to verify this claim.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This thread has been a real eye opener.

Strong supporters of the RSS/BJP are ok with their government not spending more money, reasons vary from it wont help much to India helps others, therefore others should help India.

Meanwhile another tragic record day but the official numbers are far less. Many patients not getting hospital treatment, oxygen still short supply etc.

Best wishes to the poor in India, sorry to say but you are on your own.

 

[Down2Earth]

Broke or not. They're in deep trouble yet their politicians are still campaigning which is shocking of all. When records are breaking daily you'd expect some action. But nope let's sling more dung...

 

[Lego20]

This thread has been a real eye opener.

Strong supporters of the RSS/BJP are ok with their government not spending more money, reasons vary from it wont help much to India helps others, therefore others should help India.

Meanwhile another tragic record day but the official numbers are far less. Many patients not getting hospital treatment, oxygen still short supply etc.

Best wishes to the poor in India, sorry to say but you are on your own.

The posts here including this one is pure politics and point scoring at the core pretentiously covered with concern for poor. The Indian posters have blown this pretense and falsehoods to smithers.

 

[Lego20]

Broke or not. They're in deep trouble yet their politicians are still campaigning which is shocking of all. When records are breaking daily you'd expect some action. But nope let's sling more dung...

What do you make of the elections that happened last year in USA when they had a similar outbreak?

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Stop spreading falsehood.

All vaccines sold or donated by India were owned by Serum Institute of India as they have a license to produce and sell AZ vaccine. They in turn pay them a royalty. AZ doesn't sell SII vaccines.

Covaxin was approved in India on the same day as Covishield and the government has just made advance payment of 200mn usd.

In addition, another 6-7 countries have placed orders.

Sputnik V is approved in India. A number of private companies are free to sell it. No government order has been placed.

You can keep lying, it won't change the facts that the world thanked India for the vaccines.Both donation and commercial.

Even UK government had to go to SII to get 10mn vaccine doses.

You are the one spreading lies and trying to pull wool over our eyes by hiding behind ambiguous wording and gimmickry:

1) Covidshield is a dubious vaccine by British AstraZeneca and not owned or develop by Indian Serum institute. If AZ stops providing the techn. know how and components, SII will not be able to produce it. Furthermore, the use of this particular vaccine is restricted in many countries (incl. UK itself) due to blood clot issues and relatively low efficacy.
Take a look: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...-19-astrazeneca-vaccine-advice-for-under-30s/

2) India’s own Covaxin is neither proven nor really authorized for use in any western country. The 6 countries that you are harping on about are small ones like Nepal, Zimbabwe, Nicaragua, Botswana and Mexico. And even to them, what volume has India exported so far?
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBV152

Therefore India only plays a small role in worldwide Supplychain of ‘proper’ covid vaccines.

This is the reason why India itself is trying to buy proper vaccines from other countries like Russia’s Sputnik and Pfizer’s covid vaccine.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

The posts here including this one is pure politics and point scoring at the core pretentiously covered with concern for poor. The Indian posters have blown this pretense and falsehoods to smithers.

Burrying your head in the sand won’t change the ground reality. Just look at the news headlines on any media outlet.

Modi and his Hinduvita crazies have brought india down to its knees. Their insistence on celebrating Kumbh Mela and carrying on with election campaigns are just a few examples of this reckless behaviour.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The posts here including this one is pure politics and point scoring at the core pretentiously covered with concern for poor. The Indian posters have blown this pretense and falsehoods to smithers.

Indian posters imo have thoroughly embarrased themselves and their country. They have also shown because they have a keyboard & wifi, they are fine so let the poor die like dogs in the street as long as the Hindutva dream is alive.

India not willing to spend money on the poor & suffering is just another example of religous extremists showing their true nature.

I hope people in the UK and around the world keep poor Indians in their prayers but do not give money but rather give to others whose governments simply dont have the ability to help.

 

[Lego20]

Burrying your head in the sand won’t change the ground reality. Just look at the news headlines on any media outlet.

Modi and his Hinduvita crazies have brought india down to its knees. Their insistence on celebrating Kumbh Mela and carrying on with election campaigns are just a few examples of this reckless behaviour.

- News: Some of the News you prefer to believe is as real as the concern for Indians here.
- Modi: While he does own the current situation in terms of lack of preparedness, complacency and lax restrictions, that is only a part of the story (say 25%)
- Kumbh mela: I agree. Should have never been held.
- Election campaigns: Cant avoid but could have been more restrictive.

That said, hindsight is 20-20. Post back here when god forbid, second wave happens in your part of the world.

 

[Lego20]

You are the one spreading lies and trying to pull wool over our eyes by hiding behind ambiguous wording and gimmickry:

1) Covidshield is a dubious vaccine by British AstraZeneca and not owned or develop by Indian Serum institute. If AZ stops providing the techn. know how and components, SII will not be able to produce it. Furthermore, the use of this particular vaccine is restricted in many countries (incl. UK itself) due to blood clot issues and relatively low efficacy.
Take a look: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...-19-astrazeneca-vaccine-advice-for-under-30s/

2) India’s own Covaxin is neither proven nor really authorized for use in any western country. The 6 countries that you are harping on about are small ones like Nepal, Zimbabwe, Nicaragua, Botswana and Mexico. And even to them, what volume has India exported so far?
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBV152

Therefore India only plays a small role in worldwide Supplychain of ‘proper’ covid vaccines.

This is the reason why India itself is trying to buy proper vaccines from other countries like Russia’s Sputnik and Pfizer’s covid vaccine.

Man - dont you get tired of trolling? I answered so many questions on Covaxin. It got phase 3 approved very recently. You will see, it will be the stock vaccine going forward. Results are better than AZ and J&J. I bet it will end up as the best seller covid vaccine globally provided material supply from US.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

- News: Some of the News you prefer to believe is as real as the concern for Indians here.
- Modi: While he does own the current situation in terms of lack of preparedness, complacency and lax restrictions, that is only a part of the story (say 25%)
- Kumbh mela: I agree. Should have never been held.
- Election campaigns: Cant avoid but could have been more restrictive.

That said, hindsight is 20-20. Post back here when god forbid, second wave happens in your part of the world.

What do you mean by “some of the news”?

Is BBC reporting fake news here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56961940

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Man - dont you get tired of trolling? I answered so many questions on Covaxin. It got phase 3 approved very recently. You will see, it will be the stock vaccine going forward. Results are better than AZ and J&J. I bet it will end up as the best seller covid vaccine globally provided material supply from US.

Your fantasies aside, its a non proven and non-authorized vaccine in majority of the world.

 

[Lego20]

Your fantasies aside, its a non proven and non-authorized vaccine in majority of the world.

It has been authorized for emergency use in India.

P.S. None of the covid vaccine around the world are "approved". They are all authorized for emergency use.

 

[Lego20]

What do you mean by “some of the news”?

Is BBC reporting fake news here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56961940

This news is true. Nothing different to what happened in second waves around the world. Where we score worse is our medical infrastructure which is consistent with third world countries with large population densities.

 

[Lego20]

Your fantasies aside, its a non proven and non-authorized vaccine in majority of the world.

By the way it got authorization 52 days ago. You will see the production and usage grow fast:
https://www.business-standard.com/a...or-emergency-use-v-k-paul-121031101420_1.html

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

By the way it got authorization 52 days ago. You will see the production and usage grow fast:
https://www.business-standard.com/a...or-emergency-use-v-k-paul-121031101420_1.html

Yes i know what emergency use authorisation means and this is what i meant by Covaxin lacking any “regulatory authorisation” in majority of the world. Infact Brazil just rejected it.

Anyway, i hope it becomes a success within India and good luck with the vaccine roll-out. There is no pun intended here and I genuinely wish that poor Indian people get some reprieve.

 

[Lego20]

Yes i know what emergency use authorisation means and this is what i meant by Covaxin lacking any “regulatory authorisation” in majority of the world. Infact Brazil just rejected it.

Anyway, i hope it becomes a success within India and good luck with the vaccine roll-out. There is no pun intended here and I genuinely wish that poor Indian people get some reprieve.

So does any covid vaccine, you name it - pfizer, moderna, J&J, AZ, sputnik etc. None of them are approved by any RA. They all have "emergency use authorization" like what covaxin got on 3/11/2021.

Western countries (for that matter even India) need a bridging trial for local authorization. So that will take a while if you want to see authorization by western RA. This is similar to why pfizer and moderna were not authorized till only recently (when Indian govt lax the rules given the situation).

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

So does any covid vaccine, you name it - pfizer, moderna, J&J, AZ, sputnik etc. None of them are approved by any RA. They all have "emergency use authorization" like what covaxin got on 3/11/2021.

Western countries (for that matter even India) need a bridging trial for local authorization. So that will take a while if you want to see authorization by western RA. This is similar to why pfizer and moderna were not authorized till only recently (when Indian govt lax the rules given the situation).

You are wasting time by the word spiel. As i said before, in this context:

“Regulatory Authorisation = FDA emergency use Authorisation”.

Which is stringent and difficult to achieve. Pfizer and Moderna ve it. India’s Covaxin doesn’t.

As a matter of fact, Indian government was trying to negotiate on the price for these US vaccines before, which is why these are not available in India. Now its bending over backwards to get the supply somehow.

 

[Giannis]

What do you make of the elections that happened last year in USA when they had a similar outbreak?

Not in November, there was a bad outbreak in March/April and then a little bit in September, also we had a surplus of ventilators over the summer as the government and local manufacturers kept adding to the national stockpile.

 

[Lego20]

You are wasting time by the word spiel. As i said before, in this context:

“Regulatory Authorisation = FDA emergency use Authorisation”.

Which is stringent and difficult to achieve. Pfizer and Moderna ve it. India’s Covaxin doesn’t.

As a matter of fact, Indian government was trying to negotiate on the price for these US vaccines before, which is why these are not available in India. Now its bending over backwards to get the supply somehow.

Wrong! It was the other way. Pfizer & Moderna were after Indian govt asking for authorization without a bridging trial. Indian govt only finally allowed this after the second wave.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Wrong! It was the other way. Pfizer & Moderna were after Indian govt asking for authorization without a bridging trial. Indian govt only finally allowed this after the second wave.

So pfizer and Moderna, both of whom have regulatory authorisations in US and EU, (where the laws are tough and it takes a lot of effort to get approval), were asking govt of India for a short cut?

Come on, this is not bollywood.

Government of India is not doing Pfizer & Moderna any favour, on the contrary they are begging them for a favour. Its a business transaction, pay the right price for the product and you will get it. These large pharma companies are not charity organisations.

 

[Itachi]

So pfizer and Moderna, both of whom have regulatory authorisations in US and EU, (where the laws are tough and it takes a lot of effort to get approval), were asking govt of India for a short cut?

Come on, this is not bollywood.

Government of India is not doing Pfizer & Moderna any favour, on the contrary they are begging them for a favour. Its a business transaction, pay the right price for the product and you will get it. These large pharma companies are not charity organisations.

India didn't sign the indemnity bond thus pfizer may legally get sued which is why they didn't enter Indian market.

I used to hold Pakistanis high regard in terms of emotions and kindness towards others but right now, what I am seeing is, obsession with money and assets. There are posters here who openly stated that he judges based upon financial standing of a person.

It seems like for a majority of Pakistani, everything ends with "money". Morality, integrity takes the back seat.

 

[Lego20]

So pfizer and Moderna, both of whom have regulatory authorisations in US and EU, (where the laws are tough and it takes a lot of effort to get approval), were asking govt of India for a short cut?

Come on, this is not bollywood.

Government of India is not doing Pfizer & Moderna any favour, on the contrary they are begging them for a favour. Its a business transaction, pay the right price for the product and you will get it. These large pharma companies are not charity organisations.

Here:
https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...ter-regulator-seeks-local-trial-idUSKBN2A50GE

I thought this was easy and you will get it without my help. Pfizer & moderna (or any company for that matter) are to gain billions of dollars in revenue if approved in India. Think - who gains more?

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Here:
https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...ter-regulator-seeks-local-trial-idUSKBN2A50GE

I thought this was easy and you will get it without my help. Pfizer & moderna (or any company for that matter) are to gain billions of dollars in revenue if approved in India. Think - who gains more?

That’s a bogus article. Pfizer, which has passed US FDA and EU trials is scared of failing them in India? Whereas as Bharat Biotech’s Covaxin is going to take over the world.

I don’t think so but hey you can stay afloat in your parallel universe.

In the meanwhile whole world is after the Pfizer Vaccine and india too has decided to join the queue.
It was greed from the Modi government, who was trying to negotiate on price rather than securing the supply of a “proven” vaccine. Now poor Indian junta is paying the price.

 

[Itachi]

That’s a bogus article. Pfizer, which has passed US FDA and EU trials is scared of failing them in India? Whereas as Bharat Biotech’s Covaxin is going to take over the world.

I don’t think so but hey you can stay afloat in your parallel universe.

In the meanwhile whole world is after the Pfizer Vaccine and india too has decided to join the queue.
It was greed from the Modi government, who was trying to negotiate on price rather than securing the supply of a “proven” vaccine. Now poor Indian junta is paying the price.

I've already wrote the exact reason why pfizer didn't enter Indian market and currently won't do so.

pfizer wants indemnity bond to which most countries agreed except India. It's about structural integrity rather than anything to do with money.

 

[Technics 1210]

There you have it, Pfizer didn't enter the Indian market because they felt India wouldn't pay up cos they're broke.

 

[Lego20]

That’s a bogus article. Pfizer, which has passed US FDA and EU trials is scared of failing them in India? Whereas as Bharat Biotech’s Covaxin is going to take over the world.

I don’t think so but hey you can stay afloat in your parallel universe.

In the meanwhile whole world is after the Pfizer Vaccine and india too has decided to join the queue.
It was greed from the Modi government, who was trying to negotiate on price rather than securing the supply of a “proven” vaccine. Now poor Indian junta is paying the price.

Frankly, it doesn't seem you are reading either the post or the references. Take care!

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

I've already wrote the exact reason why pfizer didn't enter Indian market and currently won't do so.

pfizer wants indemnity bond to which most countries agreed except India. It's about structural integrity rather than anything to do with money.

Yes exactly, India and indians are known for their strict law abidance and integrity . Dream on.

 

[Itachi]

Yes exactly, India and indians are known for their strict law abidance and integrity . Dream on.

Ask pfizer. they were on receiving end.

 

[Napa]

Frankly, it doesn't seem you are reading either the post or the references. Take care!

Apparently Reuters publishes bogus articles. You are in a no-win situation here.

 

[Itachi]

Apparently Reuters publishes bogus articles. You are in a no-win situation here.

Depends on the subject.

if pro India, bogus.

If anti India, trustworthy.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

In the meanwhile:

https://fortune.com/2021/04/30/biden-administration-travel-ban-india-covid-infections-spiking-may-4/

President Joe Biden banned most travel to the U.S. from India beginning Tuesday as the country struggles to combat the worst surge of coronavirus cases in the world.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended the ban, which won’t apply to U.S. citizens or permanent residents.

“The policy will be implemented in light of extraordinarily high COVID-19 caseloads and multiple variants circulating in the India,” Psaki said in a statement.

India recorded 387,000 new infections on Thursday, a record high, and nearly 3,500 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

The U.S. is sending aid to India to fight its surge, and the travel restriction underscores the risk that new mutations of the virus pose even to countries with high vaccination levels. The travel restrictions also don’t apply to aid workers.

Biden has also said he’ll send vaccines to India, though hasn’t yet done so. The shots, produced by AstraZeneca Plc but not yet authorized for use in the U.S., need first to be reviewed by U.S. regulators.

Friday’s move is the latest in a series of COVID-related travel restrictions imposed by the Biden administration and the Trump administration before it.

Variants of the virus emerge typically in places where it’s spreading rapidly, and can prove more contagious, more harmful and more deadly as a result.

Rochelle Walensky, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said earlier Friday that the U.S. continues to work to track the spread of variants, and is supporting similar work in other countries, including India.

“The more virus and viral replication, the virus has more chances to mutate, and this means additional opportunities for variants to evolve,” she said.

 

[Zaz]

Uk sending over 1000 ventilators to india

Indians posters on here keep burying your head in the sand

This crisis has shown how inept your govt has been that theyre now relying on handouts to save their population from this disaster

 

[Itachi]

Uk sending over 1000 ventilators to india

Indians posters on here keep burying your head in the sand

This crisis has shown how inept your govt has been that theyre now relying on handouts to save their population from this disaster

.... and here comes another poster who completely ignored all the previous posts, didn't even bother to read and try to comprehend what was the crux of the issue, and then talks about how India is broken by bringing subject of ventilators.....

If tomorrow someone donates to US govt to some cause, doesn't it mean US is broken economy?

i hope some people are trolling here because otherwise I find it hard that people lack that much intellectuality and intelligence in real life.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India didn't sign the indemnity bond thus pfizer may legally get sued which is why they didn't enter Indian market.

I used to hold Pakistanis high regard in terms of emotions and kindness towards others but right now, what I am seeing is, obsession with money and assets. There are posters here who openly stated that he judges based upon financial standing of a person.

It seems like for a majority of Pakistani, everything ends with "money". Morality, integrity takes the back seat.

That is a frankly stunning comment considering that it was one of your own Indian brethren who was bragging that India has $600 billion in forex reserves. If anything this thread has been an eye opener into just how Indian posters seem to consider the masses as dispensable as long as the coffers are in a healthy position.

Honestly it seems as if India's image is more important than the actual people who live there for some on here. Although there are some honorable exceptions and I can only hope they and their loved ones are in good health.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That is a frankly stunning comment considering that it was one of your own Indian brethren who was bragging that India has $600 billion in forex reserves. If anything this thread has been an eye opener into just how Indian posters seem to consider the masses as dispensable as long as the coffers are in a healthy position.

Honestly it seems as if India's image is more important than the actual people who live there for some on here. Although there are some honorable exceptions and I can only hope they and their loved ones are in good health.

I hope you write my epitaph when I die of this virus.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Why are people calling these emergency aids medical or otherwise as chanda or handouts?? Its a humanitarian crisis out here, dont govts receive aid at times of disasters and help each other out? At this point any help is welcome.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I hope you write my epitaph when I die of this virus.

God forbid, I am sure the whole forum would never wish that day would come. Your views might not always be palatable to the hardcore Pakistanis, but as an insight into genuine and contemporary hindu sentiments, they are invaluable.

 

[jusarrived]

Why are people calling these emergency aids medical or otherwise as chanda or handouts?? Its a humanitarian crisis out here, dont govts receive aid at times of disasters and help each other out? At this point any help is welcome.

Some PPers enjoying this a bit too much. Let them have their laughs.

 

[Itachi]

Some PPers enjoying this a bit too much. Let them have their laughs.

I actually don't mind it as long as you are straight forward. What I do find offensive is, on one hand, you are trolling here yet you claim that you have humanity at heart. Atleast be genuine whether you are in the same side or opposite.

 

[Bewal Express]

I actually don't mind it as long as you are straight forward. What I do find offensive is, on one hand, you are trolling here yet you claim that you have humanity at heart. Atleast be genuine whether you are in the same side or opposite.

My sympathy lies with the poor victims. I have no sympathy with either the Ind state or its elite, who are basically the same people.

 

[Bewal Express]

That is a frankly stunning comment considering that it was one of your own Indian brethren who was bragging that India has $600 billion in forex reserves. If anything this thread has been an eye opener into just how Indian posters seem to consider the masses as dispensable as long as the coffers are in a healthy position.

Honestly it seems as if India's image is more important than the actual people who live there for some on here. Although there are some honorable exceptions and I can only hope they and their loved ones are in good health.

Interesting read on the Times.co.uk written by the artist Anish Kapoor. He took apart the ideology that contributed to and fanned this disaster.

"Sixty per cent of the population — 800 million people — live, or more accurately survive, in abject poverty and are forced into invisibility. The harshness of caste boundaries and endemic social segregation means they are the downtrodden of the earth and it matters not if they live or die"
Narendra Modi’s lack of concern about the spread of Covid-19 is linked to the perceived racial superiority of high-caste Indians who will survive the crisis relatively unscathed, while the poor and low caste are left to fend for themselves with little or no help or medical assistance.

 

[Zaz]

.... and here comes another poster who completely ignored all the previous posts, didn't even bother to read and try to comprehend what was the crux of the issue, and then talks about how India is broken by bringing subject of ventilators.....

If tomorrow someone donates to US govt to some cause, doesn't it mean US is broken economy?

i hope some people are trolling here because otherwise I find it hard that people lack that much intellectuality and intelligence in real life.

Would you not agree this is a total failure of the govt and that frankly by not having measures in place such as oxygen and ventilators to avert this they have blood on their hands?

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

.... and here comes another poster who completely ignored all the previous posts, didn't even bother to read and try to comprehend what was the crux of the issue, and then talks about how India is broken by bringing subject of ventilators.....

If tomorrow someone donates to US govt to some cause, doesn't it mean US is broken economy?

i hope some people are trolling here because otherwise I find it hard that people lack that much intellectuality and intelligence in real life.

Your equivalencies totally lack any sense of intellect.

US doesn’t need those donations and didn’t need them even in the height of their pandemic... india clearly does. And if you’re denying the fact that india needs those donations then you’ve got your head in the sand even deeper than I thought..

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Why are people calling these emergency aids medical or otherwise as chanda or handouts?? Its a humanitarian crisis out here, dont govts receive aid at times of disasters and help each other out? At this point any help is welcome.

The issue is many of the Indian posters are claiming that there is no humanitarian crisis and are making false equivalencies to what india did for the world (sell vaccines for money) to what other countries are doing for India (give donations).

The line some Pakistanis here including me are taking is a bit on the harsher side even if the truth but it is a result of what we have been hearing from Indian posters..

 

[Itachi]

Your equivalencies totally lack any sense of intellect.

US doesn’t need those donations and didn’t need them even in the height of their pandemic... india clearly does. And if you’re denying the fact that india needs those donations then you’ve got your head in the sand even deeper than I thought..

No one knows the absolute truth except God.... How are you so sure that your explanation is closer to truth than mine?

 

[Itachi]

Would you not agree this is a total failure of the govt and that frankly by not having measures in place such as oxygen and ventilators to avert this they have blood on their hands?

For a smaller country, it is possible. But the scale that India is, the measure that were put will work on feedback system. If the resoruces were in scarcity, then you can make a case. The issue was logistic and the fault lies in the feedback from the ground.

The system is working as expected. But if it gets wrong feedback from the ground, it will certainly won't be up to the requirement.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Interesting read on the Times.co.uk written by the artist Anish Kapoor. He took apart the ideology that contributed to and fanned this disaster.

"Sixty per cent of the population — 800 million people — live, or more accurately survive, in abject poverty and are forced into invisibility. The harshness of caste boundaries and endemic social segregation means they are the downtrodden of the earth and it matters not if they live or die"
Narendra Modi’s lack of concern about the spread of Covid-19 is linked to the perceived racial superiority of high-caste Indians who will survive the crisis relatively unscathed, while the poor and low caste are left to fend for themselves with little or no help or medical assistance.

I read it this morning, and it echoed the same suspicions I raised a couple of days back in this very thread, right down to the part caste mindset plays in this apparent disregard for the suffering masses who don't have access to the best facilities. I'm glad Indian writers are saying it, if we do it then we are accused of western snobbery or trolling.

Truthfully I don't want to tell anyone their business. Maybe Indians think we are the ones who hold bull$ viewpoints, perhaps they think it's easy for us to talk sitting where we are.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

More Charity coming India’s way and who is at fault for the delay in approval of this ‘proven’ vaccine?

Those who put their own greed and domestic politics of promoting a potential local vaccine, higher than the potential loss of human life are directly responsible for the death of so many poor indians.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/p...ators-months-ago-2021-05-03?mod=mw_latestnews

 

[MP2011]

Not so long ago, this creature ordered planes worth $1.35 billion for himself. Now go figure!

Central Vista project: New PM residence to be ready by Dec 2022

The new residence of the Prime Minister, part of the Central Vista revamp project, is set to be ready by December 2022.

In documents made public Monday on the Parivesh portal of the Ministry of Environment, the Expert Appraisal Committee of Infra 2 cleared the 10 common official complex buildings, the new PM’s residence complex and its special protection group accommodation, the central conference centre, and the Vice-President’s enclave, thereby granting it approval.

The document also states when the projects will be completed — the office complexes that will come up in the area where the Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts is situated will see the first three buildings expected to be completed by May 2023; the VP enclave by May 2022; the SPG by Dec 2022; the other 7 office complexes between March 2024-June 2025; the central conference centre by December 2026.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...pm-residence-to-be-ready-by-dec-2022-7300872/

 

[MP2011]

Considering how much feku is splurging on his own house & acquiring planes for himself, it appears we are not broke!

 

[Extra_Cover]

Regardless of how Indians here trying to spin it. India is NOT selling any covid vaccine. Its Astra Zeneca, which is selling the Vaccine.

Indias are only selling their labour to Astra Zeneca.

As for India’s own covid vaccine, it just came out and looks like Indian government itself is not investing in it (instead it seems keen on buying russian sputnik and other western covid vaccines).

I agree with the bolded part here. Its like China manufactures 80% of the supply of iphones but that doesn't make them the seller of iphones.

The sale from iphones goes into the GDP of US while the sale of labour / manufacturing arm goes into the GDP (or services) of China.

Similarly the manufacturing capacity of vaccines would be recorded in the GDP of India while the actual sale of vaccines would be part of each respective country's GDP.

 

[gazza619]

I think this thread is in poor taste. It really is, but I also don’t like the constant propaganda of Indians about their reserves and economic progress, but it’s starting to seem like most of it is overstated.

It makes me sick and sorry when people dont know about their reality and look down on others.

India has always looked down on Pakistan big big time!

 

[El Generico]

two wrongs doesn't make it right.

If you believe former behavior is wrong, why you are encouraging the latter by justifying it?

set examples and that's how we can grow as human beings.

It was more of an explanation than a justification. If you keep looking down on people and keep flaunting your supposed “wealth” then unfortunately some people will take shots when the reality sets in.

I agree that ideally it shouldn’t happen but the onus to set examples shouldn’t be on just Pakistanis. Hopefully after this pandemic both sides can mature and stop taking cheap shots.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Considering how much feku is splurging on his own house & acquiring planes for himself, it appears we are not broke!

Yes Nawaz Sharif of India.

Our ex PM was also trying to fly high by acquiring personal helicopter and building a Palace in Jaati Umrah.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree with the bolded part here. Its like China manufactures 80% of the supply of iphones but that doesn't make them the seller of iphones.

The sale from iphones goes into the GDP of US while the sale of labour / manufacturing arm goes into the GDP (or services) of China.

Similarly the manufacturing capacity of vaccines would be recorded in the GDP of India while the actual sale of vaccines would be part of each respective country's GDP.

You are wrong.

Apple sells those phones, chinese manufacturers dont sell them. They are contract manufacturers.

SII is a license manufacturer. They manufacture and sell as well. As you see countries are placing or have placed orders with SII separately.

 

[El Generico]

Let them. It doesn't make a difference to us. Neither is Pakistan providing any help nor was anything asked of them. So what they say or think isnt going to affect us.

A hostile country is a hostile country.

Didn’t your Punjab government want to take help from Pakistan’s charitable Edhi Foundation but couldn’t because the federal government blocked it?

https://thewire.in/government/amritsar-mp-narendra-modi-pakistan-oxygen-corridor

BTW you a think person dying on the street cares that their oxygen comes from a hostile county? Grow up.

 

[Extra_Cover]

You are wrong.

Apple sells those phones, chinese manufacturers dont sell them. They are contract manufacturers.

SII is a license manufacturer. They manufacture and sell as well. As you see countries are placing or have placed orders with SII separately.

So lets assume SII is license manufacturer of Oxford vaccine. Are you telling me that the money made from sale of this vaccine would be part of Indian economy?