Is India the worst destination for travel tourism?

[psyoptica]

Never thought I'd be making a thread on India but lately I've been seeing a lot of people share their bad experiences traveling in India. The bad experiences range anywhere from getting scammed on the streets to getting physically assaulted.

Tourists have experienced similar issues in Pakistan as well but India beats Pakistan by orders of magnitude in such events. I'm an avid traveller and would like to travel to a few locations on India. Whenever I open a youtube video to learn about people's experiences or go on travel forums where people have posted about India, the comments are usually very negative. There are so many videos documenting the horrible travel experiences of travel youtubers and in particular female travellers.

Is tourism even regulated in India? There seems to be no implementation of checks and balances on these tour operators and the scammers continue to thrive and females regularly harrassed.

Is India as bad as people say or they are just biased or racist? I don't see how latter makes sense as the same people have travelled to neighbouring Pakistan, have very positive things to say.

Discuss.

 

[sweep_shot]

I wouldn't visit India as a tourist even if I am offered 100 Bitcoins.

Better to go to Sri Lanka, Pakistan, or Maldives if you are visiting that part of the world.

 

[psyoptica]

I wouldn't visit India as a tourist even if I am offered 100 Bitcoins.

Better to go to Sri Lanka, Pakistan, or Maldives if you are visiting that part of the world.

Lol I would take 100 Bitcoins and be willing to go through all the terrible experience so I can come back home and live like a King.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I wouldn't visit India as a tourist even if I am offered 100 Bitcoins.

Better to go to Sri Lanka, Pakistan, or Maldives if you are visiting that part of the world.

Please tell that to millions of your brethren crawling over every city in India.
They work as cheap laborers doing all kinds of menial work. You may not go to India for 100 bitcoins, but for 100.bitcoins 90% of your countrymen will walk on their hands and visit India.

 

[RexRex]

Never thought I'd be making a thread on India but lately I've been seeing a lot of people share their bad experiences traveling in India. The bad experiences range anywhere from getting scammed on the streets to getting physically assaulted.

Tourists have experienced similar issues in Pakistan as well but India beats Pakistan by orders of magnitude in such events. I'm an avid traveller and would like to travel to a few locations on India. Whenever I open a youtube video to learn about people's experiences or go on travel forums where people have posted about India, the comments are usually very negative. There are so many videos documenting the horrible travel experiences of travel youtubers and in particular female travellers.

Is tourism even regulated in India? There seems to be no implementation of checks and balances on these tour operators and the scammers continue to thrive and females regularly harrassed.

Is India as bad as people say or they are just biased or racist? I don't see how latter makes sense as the same people have travelled to neighbouring Pakistan, have very positive things to say.

Discuss.

India isn't a great tourist destination, in my honest opinion. There's nothing much to see or do. Pakistan is just as bad, in fact it's worse.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

YouTubers love it as do hippies

 

[RexRex]

YouTubers love it as do hippies

I tend to be very cynical about this .. I think they're just new youtubers trying to build a huge number of subscribers in a short time by doing India travelogs, a rite of passage. I could be wrong.

 

[psyoptica]

India isn't a great tourist destination, in my honest opinion. There's nothing much to see or do. Pakistan is just as bad, in fact it's worse.

I would love to travel to India just to see the wildlife and do some adventure backpacking. I have been to india once when I was very little but I barely remember anything from that trip.

 

[sweep_shot]

YouTubers love it as do hippies

Some like it.

But, not all YouTubers enjoyed it apparently. Some examples:

 

[psyoptica]

Some like it.

But, not all YouTubers enoyed it apparently. Some examples:

Here is some female perspective on travelling in India.

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[sweep_shot]

Here is some female perspective on travelling in India.

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Women tourists should be extra-careful in India.

Not long ago, a Brazilian female tourist was raped by 7 Indian men --> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68444993.

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Outrage over Brazilian tourist's gang rape in India​

The alleged gang rape of a tourist with Brazilian-Spanish dual nationality in the eastern Indian state of Jharkhand has led to outrage.

The 28-year-old woman and her husband, who were on a motorbike tour, had stopped for the night in Dumki district when the alleged attack took place.

Police say that they have arrested four men and are searching for three more.

The identities of the men, who are also accused of beating the woman's partner, have not been disclosed yet. The couple had travelled to several parts of Asia on their motorbikes before arriving in India a few months ago. Over the weekend, the woman posted a video on their Instagram page which has 234,000 followers.

"Seven men raped me. They have beaten us and robbed us, although not many things [were taken] because what they wanted was to rape me," she said in Spanish, adding that the men beat them and threatened to kill them.

In a separate video, the husband, who is Spanish, said: "My mouth is destroyed, but my partner is worse than me. They have hit me with the helmet several times, with a stone on the head. Thank goodness she was wearing the jacket and that stops the blows a little."

The videos are no longer up on their page.

Dumka's police superintendent Pitamber Singh Kherwar told reporters the couple flagged down a patrol van which took them to a local health centre for treatment.

"The couple were speaking in a mixture of English and Spanish so the patrolling team could not understand them initially. But they appeared visibly injured so they were taken for treatment," he said, adding that the couple then told doctors about the alleged rape.

The Brazilian embassy in India told the BBC that the woman and her husband "were victims of a serious criminal attack".

The embassy said it had contacted the woman and local authorities as well as the Spanish embassy, as the couple had used Spanish passports to enter India.

"The Spanish embassy said that it had offered all the assistance available, including psychological care, but that the victims had declined the offer as they were already being looked after by the Indian emergency services," the Brazilian embassy said, adding that it would continue to "monitor all developments".

The BBC has reached out to the Spanish embassy for comment.

"We need to stand united in our commitment to end violence against women everywhere in the world," the Spanish embassy in India posted on X (formerly Twitter) on Sunday.

Conversations around rape and sexual violence became more prominent in India after the 2012 gang rape and murder of a young woman on a bus in Delhi led to huge protests and changes to the country's rape laws. But tens of thousands of rapes are reported every year and activists say there is still a long way to go to tackle the issue.

Over the weekend, several women shared their stories of dealing with unwanted sexual attention while travelling in India.
The chief of India's National Commission for Women, Rekha Sharma, also sparked criticism after she responded to a post from a US journalist who wrote that while India was one of his favourite places, "the level of sexual aggression" he witnessed while living in the country was "unlike anywhere else I have ever been". He also gave a couple of examples of sexual assault faced by women he knew.

"Did you ever report the incident to police?" Ms Sharma wrote. "If not then you are totally an irresponsible person. Writing only on social media and defaming whole country is not good choice."

The response led to an outpouring of criticism from people on social media.

Several people have also left comments under the couple's Instagram and YouTube videos, expressing solidarity and sympathy with them.

 

[psyoptica]

India isn't a great tourist destination, in my honest opinion. There's nothing much to see or do. Pakistan is just as bad, in fact it's worse.

The last part of your comment is just your Indian bias though. Go on any platform and see how travelers have compared their travel experiences in India against their experiences in Pakistan. No one ranks India better than Pakistan for tourism except Indians

 

[RexRex]

The last part of your comment is just your Indian bias though. Go on any platform and see how travelers have compared their travel experiences in India against their experiences in Pakistan. No one ranks India better than Pakistan for tourism except Indians

It's a different scale. The level of tourism in Pakistan is miniscule compared to that in India. Not to mention, these visits are sponsored by Pak's tourism department. They want good PR.

 

[Varun]

India is in the league of Egypt - some worthy historic sites, but probably not worth the effort. Medical tourism is a thing though, and it's not just bottom of the barrel for Bangladeshis.

Tiny Singapore gets more tourists in a month than we get in a year. That says it all.

 

[psyoptica]

India is a trash place. It is in the league of Egypt - some worthy historic sites, but probably not worth the effort. Medical tourism is a thing though, and it's not just bottom of the barrel Bangladeshis.

Tiny Singapore gets more tourists in a month than we get in a year. That says it all.

India is a big country and one of the most important countries in the world. It sucks that the standards for tourism are so low. It's almost like no one really cares about fixing issues within the travel industry and provide better security and services to foreign travellers.

 

[Varun]

India is a big country and one of the most important countries in the world. It sucks that the standards for tourism are so low. It's almost like no one really cares about fixing issues within the travel industry and provide better security and services to foreign travellers.

We are a low quality tourism destination. Even our own tourists - those who can afford it - would much rather head to Vietnam or Thailand than scammy Goa.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We are a low quality tourism destination. Even our own tourists - those who can afford it - would much rather head to Vietnam or Thailand than scammy Goa.

Wasn't there a big blow up about Indian tourists in Maldives recently? I'm pretty sure there was a thread here where Modi was championing some islands at home as an alternative because of some offensive comments by a Maldives politician.

 

[Varun]

Wasn't there a big blow up about Indian tourists in Maldives recently? I'm pretty sure there was a thread here where Modi was championing some islands at home as an alternative because of some offensive comments by a Maldives politician.

It lasted for 15 days. People are travelling to the Maldives just as before.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistan tourism hasn't really matured and for now, its more profitable for people to be generous to tourists and give them a free tea or rikshaw ride because you can afford to do that with 1-2. You can't do it in a bigger scale when there is a greater volume of tourists. When that time comes, Pakistanis will realise the money that can be made from scamming, begging and inflating prices and behave in the same way as Indians.

You only need to travel as an overseas to see this for yourself.

 

[jamie smith fan]

Visit kashmir and I bet u wont be disappointed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It lasted for 15 days. People are travelling to the Maldives just as before.

If you've got the money you want to go to the best places, no surprises there. Maldives is an idyllic location, those who go there probably get treated like royal guests anyway, regardless of politics which are more for media consumption than ground level.

 

[Rajdeep]

A Bangladeshi is saying he wont travel to India even with 100 bitcoins is the biggest irony when thousands entering everyday illegally.

As they say - Bolne me kya jaata hai

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

India is in the league of Egypt - some worthy historic sites, but probably not worth the effort. Medical tourism is a thing though, and it's not just bottom of the barrel for Bangladeshis.

Tiny Singapore gets more tourists in a month than we get in a year. That says it all.

I really don't think India compares to Egypt in any way. The Egyptian Civilization was arguably one of the greatest and richest civilizations in human history and the ruins that still exist in Egypt today are truly awe-inspiring. Egypt also has Sharm El-Sheikh and some pretty amazing resorts for people who are there to party and unwind, and perhaps aren't as interested in the history.

Add to that the fact that its cheap and isn't overflowing with people like India.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

If I was a tourist I would never in a million years travel to India or Pakistan.

Sri Lanka and Maldives are the only countries in South Asia worth travelling to. Sri Lanka primarily because of how cheap it is. Whereas Maldives is a great place for a honeymoon or a romantic getaway.

 

[Hikaru]

Depends, me living in Goa see tens of thousands of tourists returning every season and thousands who are long-term settlers here. Same is the case with places like Himachal, Rajasthan, Kerala or Uttarakhand.

These are well travelled people who keep coming back every season mostly because how how well developed the community aspect is among travellers and locals.

For other travellers however, I would prefer other destinations too. Things are getting way too expensive in Bharat for what you get, and money is better spent in places like Maldives or Thailand that give you far better experience for every dollar spent.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Depends, me living in Goa see tens of thousands of tourists returning every season and thousands who are long-term settlers here. Same is the case with places like Himachal, Rajasthan, Kerala or Uttarakhand.

These are well travelled people who keep coming back every season mostly because how how well developed the community aspect is among travellers and locals.

For other travellers however, I would prefer other destinations too. Things are getting way too expensive in Bharat for what you get, and money is better spent in places like Maldives or Thailand that give you far better experience for every dollar spent.

Goa seems like a cool place to live!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If I was a tourist I would never in a million years travel to India or Pakistan.

Sri Lanka and Maldives are the only countries in South Asia worth travelling to. Sri Lanka primarily because of how cheap it is. Whereas Maldives is a great place for a honeymoon or a romantic getaway.

Many Westerners travel to India to get a 'spiritual' experience. I've seen it during my uni days - people find the dirt and chaos charming. They have marketed themselves quite well.

Pakistan is sadly lacking in this regard. Terrorism has of course set things back greatly but there has been no vision to develop tourism. We have a good combination of ancient sites, rugged landscapes and chaotic cities that could be shilled to a western tourist looking to discover themselves.

We also lack alcohol and casual sex culture prevalent in Indian tourist areas. It exists under cover but it's too much effort for a tourist.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Many Westerners travel to India to get a 'spiritual' experience. I've seen it during my uni days - people find the dirt and chaos charming. They have marketed themselves quite well.

Pakistan is sadly lacking in this regard. Terrorism has of course set things back greatly but there has been no vision to develop tourism. We have a good combination of ancient sites, rugged landscapes and chaotic cities that could be shilled to a western tourist looking to discover themselves.

We also lack alcohol and casual sex culture prevalent in Indian tourist areas. It exists under cover but it's too much effort for a tourist.

I know. But since I'm not a privileged white person this is not something I can understand. If I wasn't born in this part of the world, I would never even think about coming here.

On a side-note, the ban on alcohol really takes away whatever little appeal Pakistan has as a tourist destination for any traveler from a non-Muslim country.

 

[sweep_shot]

If I was a tourist I would never in a million years travel to India or Pakistan.

Sri Lanka and Maldives are the only countries in South Asia worth travelling to. Sri Lanka primarily because of how cheap it is. Whereas Maldives is a great place for a honeymoon or a romantic getaway.

Same. I wouldn't visit India. However, I am okay to visit Pakistan; Gilgit-Baltistan is very beautiful.

But, like you said, Maldives is the best tourist spot in subcontinent. No other country comes close.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I know. But since I'm not a privileged white person this is not something I can understand. If I wasn't born in this part of the world, I would never even think about coming here.

On a side-note, the ban on alcohol really takes away whatever little appeal Pakistan has as a tourist destination for any traveler from a non-Muslim country.

Safety, cleanliness and convenience are the things that we can work on.
Indian tourism, like most of its parameters, is improving gradually. People with agendas will keep poking at holes and make mockery of it. and of course, there are holes and lots of mediocrity to see around. One thing I feel confident is that with people having an anti-India bias in most of the people. The reality of India is not hidden and we are aware of the truths and are actually gradually making improvements.

 

[Hitman]

A Bangladeshi is saying he wont travel to India even with 100 bitcoins is the biggest irony when thousands entering everyday illegally.

As they say - Bolne me kya jaata hai

The rickshaw pulling business in some parts of Assam are quite lucrative for them. I'm serious.

 

[Hikaru]

Goa seems like a cool place to live!

It is, hills, ocean, lush greenery and most importantly total freedom with Goans who are extremely good at minding their own business. All this expectedly brought the world here who took over these small villages, creating a beautiful vibe.

Sadly, I don't see it lasting long brother. Greed has taken over with North Indians and firangis taking over businesses, setting exorbitant price for mediocre service. Looking for my next home already.

 

[sweep_shot]

I consider India to be the worst tourist destination in subcontinent. There is a serious safety issue there.

Female tourists frequently get raped there. A Brazilian woman was raped by 7 Indian men not long ago. A British woman was recently raped in Delhi.

Many male tourists also had horrible things to say. You can find reviews on YouTube.

In terms of safety and appeal factor, here is my list (in that order):

1) Maldives
2) Sri Lanka
3) Pakistan
4) Bhutan
5) Bangladesh
6) Nepal
7) India.

 

[Hikaru]

I consider India to be the worst tourist destination in subcontinent. There is a serious safety issue there.

Female tourists frequently get raped there. A Brazilian woman was raped by 7 Indian men not long ago. A British woman was recently raped in Delhi.

Many male tourists also had horrible things to say. You can find reviews on YouTube.

In terms of safety and appeal factor, here is my list (in that order):

1) Maldives
2) Sri Lanka
3) Pakistan
4) Bhutan
5) Bangladesh
6) Nepal
7) India.

Can totally get the world-famous charm of Dhaka and Mirpur, but isn't this harsh on Nepal brother?

 

[Hitman]

Can totally get the world-famous charm of Dhaka and Mirpur, but isn't this harsh on Nepal brother?

The bigger question is why don't those countries attract more tourists than India? Oh, wait .... it must be those monuments build by those Islamic invaders, isn't it?​

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Safety, cleanliness and convenience are the things that we can work on.
Indian tourism, like most of its parameters, is improving gradually. People with agendas will keep poking at holes and make mockery of it. and of course, there are holes and lots of mediocrity to see around. One thing I feel confident is that with people having an anti-India bias in most of the people. The reality of India is not hidden and we are aware of the truths and are actually gradually making improvements.

No need to make this about anti-India bias. That is such a cowardly way to deflect the fact that India is a very unattractive travel location and you know better than me why that is the case.

I also don't think that safety, cleanliness and convenience are things you can just work on. Especially when they exist on such a massive scale.

If you're a westerner with some pretentious idea of spirituality in your head then I can see you embracing alot of those things and wanting to go to India. Otherwise, there are probably 50+ countries that are far better travel destinations.

 

[Hikaru]

The bigger question is why don't those countries attract more tourists than India? Oh, wait .... it must be those monuments build by those Islamic invaders, isn't it?​

I just hope that posters here visit those monuments some day to realize how underwhelming those are in real life. I went to Agra expecting a 7th wonder, talking up the monument to my Chinese friends, and all of us left Taj Mahal with a collective "yahi tha kya?"

People need to look beyond postcards to find what's really worth it. Travellers do, and that's why they keep coming.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

No need to make this about anti-India bias. That is such a cowardly way to deflect the fact that India is a very unattractive travel location and you know better than me why that is the case.

I also don't think that safety, cleanliness and convenience are things you can just work on. Especially when they exist on such a massive scale.

If you're a westerner with some pretentious idea of spirituality in your head then I can see you embracing alot of those things and wanting to go to India. Otherwise, there are probably 50+ countries that are far better travel destinations.

I can give you plenty of stats about women safety etc, where it will be surprising that India is about average of the world or even better than most of the world and not the worst that it turns out to be. Do you want me to share those? It might be an eye opener and then with your "unbiased" view point you cant tell me how those stats are wrong.


Coming to the 2nd point: Nothing improves unless you work on it. China was a crap hole country in the 80s and look at it now. India only has started making efforts since 2014 with regards to cleanliness, we know the improvements. Again, thats not to say things are awesome, but we have improved. Like every other country in the world Covid really disrupted the flow and we are getting back on track again. India is not China, we move at our own pace.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I just hope that posters here visit those monuments some day to realize how underwhelming those are in real life. I went to Agra expecting a 7th wonder, talking up the monument to my Chinese friends, and all of us left Taj Mahal with a collective "yahi tha kya?"

People need to look beyond postcards to find what's really worth it. Travellers do, and that's why they keep coming.

A friendly advice, All these monuments are just brick and mortar without the story behind them.
Get a good guide to do that.

One of my college alum group had a renowned Delhi historian as our designated guide. and Man, I fell in love with every little galli mohalla of Delhi. She told us history of every little area, road etc and the history of it. We used to cover just one monument in the entire day and not rush, watch, take selfies and walk away. Sub-continental monuments are not majestic just for looks, they have their long tales and legends.

Taj Mahal is underwhelming if you dont have a good guide telling what the story behind the architecture is. It is not just love of Shah Jahan for Mumtaz.

 

[Hitman]

Taj Mahal is underwhelming if you dont have a good guide telling what the story behind the architecture is. It is not just love of Shah Jahan for Mumtaz.

That animal deserved everything he got from his animal son. All you have to do is read about both of them.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I just hope that posters here visit those monuments some day to realize how underwhelming those are in real life. I went to Agra expecting a 7th wonder, talking up the monument to my Chinese friends, and all of us left Taj Mahal with a collective "yahi tha kya?"

People need to look beyond postcards to find what's really worth it. Travellers do, and that's why they keep coming.

Was there any monuments that left you and your chinese friends in awe?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I can give you plenty of stats about women safety etc, where it will be surprising that India is about average of the world or even better than most of the world and not the worst that it turns out to be. Do you want me to share those? It might be an eye opener and then with your "unbiased" view point you cant tell me how those stats are wrong.


Coming to the 2nd point: Nothing improves unless you work on it. China was a crap hole country in the 80s and look at it now. India only has started making efforts since 2014 with regards to cleanliness, we know the improvements. Again, thats not to say things are awesome, but we have improved. Like every other country in the world Covid really disrupted the flow and we are getting back on track again. India is not China, we move at our own pace.

Then why don't you come here and talk about India being that attractive tourist destination when you "move at your own pace" and finally get there? Till then this reads nothing more than a heavily biased, apologist's view-point.

As a tourist, I certainly have no desire to get ripped off by locals, get diarrhea or a stomach bug, grapple with mass pollution and lack of hygiene, and fear for women if I am travelling with them. Btw, these same factors also apply to Pakistan and Bangladesh, since you think I am being biased specifically towards India. The sub-continent is one of the worst places on the planet for a wide-variety of reasons. And this will become even more evident in the coming years when climate change rips this region apart.

The only appeal of visiting India for me is to see the historical sites and monuments.

Also, I want to correct myself. The number of travel destinations more attractive than India is not 50+, its more like 100+

 

[Hikaru]

Was there any monuments that left you and your chinese friends in awe?

No, also I am not a monuments person unless they date back to thousands of years.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Then why don't you come here and talk about India being that attractive tourist destination when you "move at your own pace" and finally get there? Till then this reads nothing more than a heavily biased, apologist's view-point.

As a tourist, I certainly have no desire to get ripped off by locals, get diarrhea or a stomach bug, grapple with mass pollution and lack of hygiene, and fear for women if I am travelling with them. Btw, these same factors also apply to Pakistan and Bangladesh, since you think I am being biased specifically towards India. The sub-continent is one of the worst places on the planet for a wide-variety of reasons. And this will become even more evident in the coming years when climate change rips this region apart.

The only appeal of visiting India for me is to see the historical sites and monuments.

Also, I want to correct myself. The number of travel destinations more attractive than India is not 50+, its more like 100+

Bangladeshi and pakistani calling indian the worst tourist destination is pretty rich that's all I have to say .

And since, you continue to show your oreo cookie behaviour there is little sense in expecting a sensible discussion apart from some racist taunts thrown here and there.

 

[Mas-LFC]

Avoid India at all cost. Read some tourist get gang raped there. The majority lack mehman newaazi except the minority Muslim Indian who get it from their religion to be welcoming to guests. Most are extremely racist to their own kinds so when they see black traveler or white it’s easy for them to target.

When I was in my early teens, not knowing the dark sides, didn’t think about such things, was very curious about India, envisioned visiting to see The Tajmahal the magnificent creation of a Muslim hero emperor Shahjahan. But as I got older, got to know more, got to see how they mistreat muslims and especially Kashmir muslims, what happened in the Gujarat riot, how cows have more values than humans, how they bulldoze Muslim homes with the help of their gov and police. It mad. I thought it was a secular nation with good harmony amongst different faith, from what I watched in bollywood films in the 00s. Far from it.

I wouldn’t go India. Even if they offered me million pound.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bangladeshi and pakistani calling indian the worst tourist destination is pretty rich that's all I have to say .

And since, you continue to show your oreo cookie behaviour there is little sense in expecting a sensible discussion apart from some racist taunts thrown here and there.

A sensible discussion is not possible because you don't have the guts to call a spade a spade and own up to why no one in the right mind would want to visit India over 100+ other countries in the world. So far all you've done is make snide remarks "we are better than Pakistan and Bangladesh" and talked about "getting there at our own pace"...whenever that will be.

I would have more respect for you if you made some attempt to acknowledge the various factors that make India such an unattractive tourist locations. But no, its just the typical nonsense " you have anti-Indian bias."

Side-note: No need to indulge in slander and accuse me of racism just because you have nothing to say.

 

[Hikaru]

I wouldn’t go India. Even if they offered me million pound.

You are in luck, Pakistanis aren't even offered Visas easily, with famous ones vowing to teach India a lesson after unsuccessful attempts.

 

[Hikaru]

A sensible discussion is not possible because you don't have the guts to call a spade a spade and own up to why no one in the right mind would want to visit India over 100+ other countries in the world. So far all you've done is make snide remarks "we are better than Pakistan and Bangladesh" and talked about "getting there at our own pace"...whenever that will be.

I would have more respect for you if you made some attempt to acknowledge the various factors that make India such an unattractive tourist locations. But no, its just the typical nonsense " you have anti-Indian bias."

Side-note: No need to indulge in slander and accuse me of racism just because you have nothing to say.

You are entitled to your assesment brother, and nothing there sounds unfair to me. Most of what you said are harsh, but good enough generalizations to make about half of India. Some South Asian realities will take a few generations to disappear.

 

[Mas-LFC]

I’ve been watching a lot of big Bangladeshi 1million+ subscribers youtubers going Pakistan now. I’ve already seen how Pakistan looks through a youtuber called Eva Zubeck a polish lady who captured it wonderfully, before some years back.

The northern sides so stunning. Some of the biggest BD travel vloggers, food vloggers are there now, showing more of the beauty of Pakistan. I honestly before seeing youtubers vlogging showcasing Pakistan, didnt know how mesmerising beautiful Northern Pakistan actually is. I have grown up with many Pakistanis, some of my closest friends from primary and high school where Pakistanis some even were Pk shias. but none of them ever mentioned how nice it especially areas like Swat, Azad Kashmir, Gilgit Baltistan, maybe they themselves haven’t visited there.

I’d actually love to visit one day in the future. Plus being muslim, I’d feel more safe. I can certainly eat beef biryani without being mobbed.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

A sensible discussion is not possible because you don't have the guts to call a spade a spade and own up to why no one in the right mind would want to visit India over 100+ other countries in the world. So far all you've done is make snide remarks "we are better than Pakistan and Bangladesh" and talked about "getting there at our own pace"...whenever that will be.

I would have more respect for you if you made some attempt to acknowledge the various factors that make India such an unattractive tourist locations. But no, its just the typical nonsense " you have anti-Indian bias."

Side-note: No need to indulge in slander and accuse me of racism just because you have nothing to say.

Maybe you need to learn English Comprehension. I perfectly stated the facts, your racist bigotry prevents you from understanding simple English.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

You are entitled to your assesment brother, and nothing there sounds unfair to me. Most of what you said are harsh, but good enough generalizations to make about half of India. Some South Asian realities will take a few generations to disappear.

He is just looking for someone to say "yes sir" any minor correction being pointed out and Redwood goes hardwood

 

[sweep_shot]

A sensible discussion is not possible because you don't have the guts to call a spade a spade and own up to why no one in the right mind would want to visit India over 100+ other countries in the world. So far all you've done is make snide remarks "we are better than Pakistan and Bangladesh" and talked about "getting there at our own pace"...whenever that will be.

I would have more respect for you if you made some attempt to acknowledge the various factors that make India such an unattractive tourist locations. But no, its just the typical nonsense " you have anti-Indian bias."

Side-note: No need to indulge in slander and accuse me of racism just because you have nothing to say.

Their only comeback is "they are better than Pakistan and Bangladesh". It feels like an automated response from a bot.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Maybe you need to learn English Comprehension. I perfectly stated the facts, your racist bigotry prevents you from understanding simple English.

Racist bigotry? I don't think you even know what those words mean. Ironic, since you're saying I need to learn English Comprehension.

I didn't say anything the entire world doesn't already know.

Seems like you just have a victim complex. Keep crying though. Nobody cares.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Racist bigotry? I don't think you even know what those words mean. Ironic, since you're saying I need to learn English Comprehension.

I didn't say anything the entire world doesn't already know.

Seems like you just have a victim complex. Keep crying though. Nobody cares.

Bub, you quoted your opinion and I stated facts and would have actually shared more facts but you seem to be allergic to talking about reality.
Now, if you are this vain that your opinion = world opinion, that's a separate issue. Continue to live in your la la land.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I’ve been watching a lot of big Bangladeshi 1million+ subscribers youtubers going Pakistan now. I’ve already seen how Pakistan looks through a youtuber called Eva Zubeck a polish lady who captured it wonderfully, before some years back.

The northern sides so stunning. Some of the biggest BD travel vloggers, food vloggers are there now, showing more of the beauty of Pakistan. I honestly before seeing youtubers vlogging showcasing Pakistan, didnt know how mesmerising beautiful Northern Pakistan actually is. I have grown up with many Pakistanis, some of my closest friends from primary and high school where Pakistanis some even were Pk shias. but none of them ever mentioned how nice it especially areas like Swat, Azad Kashmir, Gilgit Baltistan, maybe they themselves haven’t visited there.

I’d actually love to visit one day in the future. Plus being muslim, I’d feel more safe. I can certainly eat beef biryani without being mobbed.

Can you post a link to some of these videos or give the name of the YouTuber?

Visiting the areas you mention only became more fashionable recently so you are right that many people were not aware. For a long time ( at least to my knowledge and maybe only specific to my family) Muree was the preferred option.

 

[sweep_shot]

Racist bigotry? I don't think you even know what those words mean. Ironic, since you're saying I need to learn English Comprehension.

I didn't say anything the entire world doesn't already know.

Seems like you just have a victim complex. Keep crying though. Nobody cares.

They themselves are racists toward Muslims, blacks, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Chinese, and even white people. Yet, they have the nerve to call others racists. Funny people.

They can dish it out but can't take it.

 

[sweep_shot]

I’ve been watching a lot of big Bangladeshi 1million+ subscribers youtubers going Pakistan now. I’ve already seen how Pakistan looks through a youtuber called Eva Zubeck a polish lady who captured it wonderfully, before some years back.

The northern sides so stunning. Some of the biggest BD travel vloggers, food vloggers are there now, showing more of the beauty of Pakistan. I honestly before seeing youtubers vlogging showcasing Pakistan, didnt know how mesmerising beautiful Northern Pakistan actually is. I have grown up with many Pakistanis, some of my closest friends from primary and high school where Pakistanis some even were Pk shias. but none of them ever mentioned how nice it especially areas like Swat, Azad Kashmir, Gilgit Baltistan, maybe they themselves haven’t visited there.

I’d actually love to visit one day in the future. Plus being muslim, I’d feel more safe. I can certainly eat beef biryani without being mobbed.

I would love to visit all countries in subcontinent except for India. India is not safe for minorities, women, and tourists.

Can you post a link to some of these videos or give the name of the YouTuber?

Visiting the areas you mention only became more fashionable recently so you are right that many people were not aware. For a long time ( at least to my knowledge and maybe only specific to my family) Muree was the preferred option.

I found one:

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bub, you quoted your opinion and I stated facts and would have actually shared more facts but you seem to be allergic to talking about reality.
Now, if you are this vain that your opinion = world opinion, that's a separate issue. Continue to live in your la la land.

Oh okay, so you're saying that all the things I mentioned aren't things that people encounter?

You stated zero facts. You bragged about how you would, but you didn't. And what stats are you going to share exactly? 'Rapes went down by 5% last year?' Pollution went down by 10% this year?.' Thing about stats is that someone can always dig up stats themselves to counter. The unique experiences of people who travel to different countries holds much more weight. Especially if you are actually interested in changing things instead of paying lip-service.

You're so deluded that you can't understand the simple basis of my argument which is that there are a 100+ countries that I would want to visit before I visit India. And so would you if you actually decided to be honest with yourself.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

They themselves are racists toward Muslims, blacks, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Chinese, and even white people. Yet, they have the nerve to call others racists. Funny people.

They can dish it out but can't take it.

I don't want to group all Indians in one box. I don't believe that is the case. I don't think all people think the same way. But OP is definitely suffering from some kind of delusion that is hard to pinpoint. I hope he gets the help he needs.

 

[Red-Indian]

I think it's fair enough to say India's not going to be a massive tourist destination at least in the medium term. The sheer population and chaos associated with India will remain for the foreseeable future and will always make it a difficult place to visit.

We shouldn't be comparing ourselves with South Asia. The largest foreign tourist arrivals outside India which gets maybe 10 million is Sri Lanka with approximately 2 million (a quarter of them Indians I think). Very relevant for an economy like theirs but a drop in the bucket for India. The rest of the countries in our region are barely a blip on the world tourist map.

As far as being the worst destination for tourism is concerned, I guess that's a relative question. We can't really compare to the countries that don't have tourism but if we take the top say 25 countries in the world for tourism (arrivals greater than 10 million), I think it's fair to say India would be near the bottom in terms of safety, attractions, facilities etc. There's maybe a couple I would add in there like Egypt, South Africa but we're not keeping great company.

 

[Mas-LFC]

Can you post a link to some of these videos or give the name of the YouTuber?

Visiting the areas you mention only became more fashionable recently so you are right that many people were not aware. For a long time ( at least to my knowledge and maybe only specific to my family) Muree was the preferred option.

Channel names:

Normadic Bangladesh - travels and roams around on a bike, who has been most corner of Pakistan for 2-3 months then went to Afghanistan for a month, currently back to Pakistan and is in Baluchistan province. Love watching his vlogs, easily mixes and interacts with locals and knows Urdu/Hindi so well. Very interesting vlogger.

Md Fizz - who is probably is a gen Z, has over a million subs, he is in Pakistan for the first time, in the northern region right now as we speak, seen his latest vlog. I’m enjoying his vlogs, boy mixes easily, speaks broken Urdu hindi, and everyone takes him like a son or brother, Some people have this charm about them, he sure does have that.

Bangladeshi food vlogger - Probably the best food vlogger in BD, vlogs mostly about food. Just left Pakistan last few days.

Petuk Couple - Another food yotubers. Nearing a mill subs. Been to Pakistan left recently. They vlog less than others. Just main few long videos.

Travel Commando - who probably was the first one to land in Pakistan out of all listed youtubers. And inspired others to follow. Lesser of the YouTubers in terms of numbers but shows every sides like villages, Towns, cities, street food scene and presents it well. Is in Punjab now.

And the youtuber, Sweepshot posted.

 

[psyoptica]

I can give you plenty of stats about women safety etc, where it will be surprising that India is about average of the world or even better than most of the world and not the worst that it turns out to be. Do you want me to share those? It might be an eye opener and then with your "unbiased" view point you cant tell me how those stats are wrong.


Coming to the 2nd point: Nothing improves unless you work on it. China was a crap hole country in the 80s and look at it now. India only has started making efforts since 2014 with regards to cleanliness, we know the improvements. Again, thats not to say things are awesome, but we have improved. Like every other country in the world Covid really disrupted the flow and we are getting back on track again. India is not China, we move at our own pace.

What are some good places to travel in India?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I really don't think India compares to Egypt in any way. The Egyptian Civilization was arguably one of the greatest and richest civilizations in human history and the ruins that still exist in Egypt today are truly awe-inspiring. Egypt also has Sharm El-Sheikh and some pretty amazing resorts for people who are there to party and unwind, and perhaps aren't as interested in the history.

Add to that the fact that its cheap and isn't overflowing with people like India.

Egypt surprised me, it is not a long flight, and agree with you about Sharm El Sheikh, if you aren't bothered about history, and just want a nice holiday by the ocean, it's great. There isn't the poverty or general pollution you would see in India or Pakistan, and you can get some fabulous resorts there with lots to see nearby.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Egypt surprised me, it is not a long flight, and agree with you about Sharm El Sheikh, if you aren't bothered about history, and just want a nice holiday by the ocean, it's great. There isn't the poverty or general pollution you would see in India or Pakistan, and you can get some fabulous resorts there with lots to see nearby.

Egypt is a really underrated travel destination and one people should consider if they don't want to spend as much money. Feel like too many desis choose Thailand, which is great but Egypt is worth considering too.