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Is Islam the only true religion?

Is that doing noble things only reward in this life applicabe to Muslims or is that specifically for Non-Muslims only?
And if it does apply to all humans, then doing all corrupt, immoral, despicable things will only invite punishment in this life only. Isn't it??
So if a person who believes in Allah, does all the fasting, praying 5 times a day but is a mass murderer, who kills kafir will only get punishment in this life only and then he will go to heaven??

As you probably can tell I am no expert on religion but from what I have heard from Maulvis is Muslims not doing what they should will face time in hell like everyone else but they will eventually get out, I suppose it's akin to parole. But don't quote me on it. The simple answer is I don't know
 
Is that doing noble things only reward in this life applicabe to Muslims or is that specifically for Non-Muslims only?
And if it does apply to all humans, then doing all corrupt, immoral, despicable things will only invite punishment in this life only. Isn't it??
So if a person who believes in Allah, does all the fasting, praying 5 times a day but is a mass murderer, who kills kafir will only get punishment in this life only and then he will go to heaven??

If A believer does good deeds for Allah, Allah may reward them in this life or the next, If A disbeliever does good Allah may reward them or not, it is truly His to do with.

As the scholars say, " Ask for your reward from whom you done your deeds for", If you done your deeds to please humanity, than Humanity will reward you, And If you done your deeds for Allah, Than with Allah is your Reward.

Regarding the second Question, That Person is truly left to the mercy Of Allah, If Allah wills he may punish him or Forgive him, but eventually Any person with an atoms worth of faith will enter paradise.
 
Question for the Muslim posters here. Do you believe that Islam is the only true religion or are all religions true? I know that understanding of scriptures differs from person to person but would be great if some one can share references too.

For most religious people who follow an organized religion, they believe that religion to be the truth, and everything to be false. Then there are others who are are simply cultural Muslims/Christians/Hindus,etc.

My personal following of religion is that, i am a Muslim because my parents were Muslims, my parents were Muslims because my grandparents were Muslims, and so on. Had my parents been Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, etc i would have been part of that religion. I don't believe that out of the thousands of religions since the beginning of time that Islam is the only truth, and everything is false.

With that said i still identify as a Muslim, and i feel that it is an important part of my cultural identity. i dont eat pork, i want to be buried when i die and not cremated, when i travel i feel more of a connection to a historic mosque, than i would to a historic temple, or church.
 
For most religious people who follow an organized religion, they believe that religion to be the truth, and everything to be false. Then there are others who are are simply cultural Muslims/Christians/Hindus,etc.

My personal following of religion is that, i am a Muslim because my parents were Muslims, my parents were Muslims because my grandparents were Muslims, and so on. Had my parents been Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, etc i would have been part of that religion. I don't believe that out of the thousands of religions since the beginning of time that Islam is the only truth, and everything is false.

With that said i still identify as a Muslim, and i feel that it is an important part of my cultural identity. i dont eat pork, i want to be buried when i die and not cremated, when i travel i feel more of a connection to a historic mosque, than i would to a historic temple, or church.

At its most basic a Muslim is a person who accepts​ the Kalima without​ any provisos. If you do then are a Muslim, otherwise you aren't.
 
At its most basic a Muslim is a person who accepts​ the Kalima without​ any provisos. If you do then are a Muslim, otherwise you aren't.

I understand that rule for religious Muslims, but why excommunicate others who are culturally Muslims. Especially for Pakistanis Islam is a huge part of culture. For example if get married i would prefer a Muslim girl, and to have a Nikkah done. I go to Eid namaz, i say salam when meeting Muslim elders, i avoid booze. If there can be cultural Hindus, cultural Jews, why not cultural Muslims.
 
I understand that rule for religious Muslims, but why excommunicate others who are culturally Muslims. Especially for Pakistanis Islam is a huge part of culture. For example if get married i would prefer a Muslim girl, and to have a Nikkah done. I go to Eid namaz, i say salam when meeting Muslim elders, i avoid booze. If there can be cultural Hindus, cultural Jews, why not cultural Muslims.

I am not excommunicating anyone, I am just stating a basic fact about Muslims. Make no mistake, I am worried about myself in the after life, I have no ambition to judge others, that will be done by Allah. I just hope he has mercy on me and forgives my sins.
 
If A believer does good deeds for Allah, Allah may reward them in this life or the next, If A disbeliever does good Allah may reward them or not, it is truly His to do with.

As the scholars say, " Ask for your reward from whom you done your deeds for", If you done your deeds to please humanity, than Humanity will reward you, And If you done your deeds for Allah, Than with Allah is your Reward.

Regarding the second Question, That Person is truly left to the mercy Of Allah, If Allah wills he may punish him or Forgive him, but eventually Any person with an atoms worth of faith will enter paradise.

So there is no one way.There are multiple ways to please Allah. Humanity is the creation of Allah and doing good deeds for humanity is indirectly doing good deeds for Allah. A person can never do good deeds for Allah by hurting his creation of Humanity. You may go to heaven (purify your soul) by doing good deeds for humanity or by doing good deeds for Allah.

As you probably can tell I am no expert on religion but from what I have heard from Maulvis is Muslims not doing what they should will face time in hell like everyone else but they will eventually get out, I suppose it's akin to parole. But don't quote me on it. The simple answer is I don't know

I personally believe any person who kills innocents without any justified reason does not matter what and how much he worships, it doesn't matter because that person surrounds itself in a cloud of negativity that negates the purpose of worship/meditation.
 
My view is that all religions have some aspects of truth to them, but the Muslim position is that Islam is the one which has been preserved as the correct path. This does not mean that other religions are false, but they have deviated from their essence. The confidence of the followers of the differing faiths is a telling factor.
 
My view is that all religions have some aspects of truth to them, but the Muslim position is that Islam is the one which has been preserved as the correct path. This does not mean that other religions are false, but they have deviated from their essence. The confidence of the followers of the differing faiths is a telling factor.

Fantastic point.
 
My view is that all religions have some aspects of truth to them, but the Muslim position is that Islam is the one which has been preserved as the correct path. This does not mean that other religions are false, but they have deviated from their essence. The confidence of the followers of the differing faiths is a telling factor.

Agree.
 
You don't know what munafiq (hypocrite) means.

It's obvious you're being a hypocrite. First you say you're a Muslim then you say you have doubt whether there is god or not. Sounds like a hypocrite to me.
 
My view is that all religions have some aspects of truth to them, but the Muslim position is that Islam is the one which has been preserved as the correct path. This does not mean that other religions are false, but they have deviated from their essence. The confidence of the followers of the differing faiths is a telling factor.

I have read about that view as well. I think also some Sufis, at least in the subcontinent, made that case that figures from other religions were simply prophets of Islam, and that other religions like you said changed from their essence.
 
Please elaborate further.
This has been briefed in reply to [MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION]. Being a doctor you know what is medical truth. Non-doctors have to believe in you. They can't argue your modus operandi, they just have to believe in you. Theoretically at this point a doctor is self righteous and discriminating.

This applies to religion exactly in similar say, just that it's proof is beyond materials.

As I said in earlier post, most of the religions are true. Islam is complete saturated truth, other religions being incomplete and unsaturated truth. This answers your question of rewards for humanity deeds. Heaven is not coupled with being a Muslim. Non-Muslims can earn this reward if their good deeds outweigh bad deeds, under certain conditions. If someone doesn't agree with this view, sura al-araf (The wall, between hell and heaven) discusses it in detail.
 
This has been briefed in reply to [MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION]. Being a doctor you know what is medical truth. Non-doctors have to believe in you. They can't argue your modus operandi, they just have to believe in you. Theoretically at this point a doctor is self righteous and discriminating.

This applies to religion exactly in similar say, just that it's proof is beyond materials.

As I said in earlier post, most of the religions are true. Islam is complete saturated truth, other religions being incomplete and unsaturated truth. This answers your question of rewards for humanity deeds. Heaven is not coupled with being a Muslim. Non-Muslims can earn this reward if their good deeds outweigh bad deeds, under certain conditions. If someone doesn't agree with this view, sura al-araf (The wall, between hell and heaven) discusses it in detail.

Which form of Islam, sunni or shiite.
 
So Shiite is complete saturated truth.

Within the territory of Islam. Beyond that it becomes a matter of how much one obeys the laws of religion.

Obeying the basic laws is same for Sydney and Melbourne because they are within one territory.

A religion may have many many sects, and still each of them is within territory of the religion. Within a sect, there are bound to be true followers and opportunistic but sect itself is within the territory of religion.
 
Within the territory of Islam. Beyond that it becomes a matter of how much one obeys the laws of religion.

Obeying the basic laws is same for Sydney and Melbourne because they are within one territory.

A religion may have many many sects, and still each of them is within territory of the religion. Within a sect, there are bound to be true followers and opportunistic but sect itself is within the territory of religion.

Makes no sense, Melbourne and Sydney dont fight like shiite and sunni's. Iran and Saudi are somehow within territory of the religion but both are willing to kill each other.
 
Makes no sense, Melbourne and Sydney dont fight like shiite and sunni's. Iran and Saudi are somehow within territory of the religion but both are willing to kill each other.

If you can't drive a Ferrari, fault lies within you and not in Ferrari. You simply don't know it adequately. If followers don't obey the rules, it's their fault, and not a fault of sect/religions.
 
If you can't drive a Ferrari, fault lies within you and not in Ferrari. You simply don't know it adequately. If followers don't obey the rules, it's their fault, and not a fault of sect/religions.

Who is not driving the ferrari correctly, the shiites or the sunni's.
 
Makes no sense, Melbourne and Sydney dont fight like shiite and sunni's. Iran and Saudi are somehow within territory of the religion but both are willing to kill each other.

According to Hamza Yousef-If 2 Muslims raise a sword against each other both will see hell fire.
 
Who is not driving the ferrari correctly, the shiites or the sunni's.

Could be anyone. You can't say that Crime rate in Sydney is Zero and in Melbourne 10% or vice versa. Inadequacies can never be zero, across the globe. Roughly, equally expected among shiites and sunni.

This debate ends here because you are dragging this thread from inter-religion debate to intra-religion debate. Let us focus on OP i.e. inter-religion.
 
So there is no one way.There are multiple ways to please Allah. Humanity is the creation of Allah and doing good deeds for humanity is indirectly doing good deeds for Allah. A person can never do good deeds for Allah by hurting his creation of Humanity. You may go to heaven (purify your soul) by doing good deeds for humanity or by doing good deeds for Allah.



I personally believe any person who kills innocents without any justified reason does not matter what and how much he worships, it doesn't matter because that person surrounds itself in a cloud of negativity that negates the purpose of worship/meditation.

No this is incorrect understanding on your part, if a person does good deeds but does not believe in Allah, they can not enter paradise.

This falls in line with the Muslim belief that no one can enter paradise because of their deeds it is only through the mercy of Allah anyone will enter paradise, but in order to qualify for that mercy you must believe in Allah and His final Prophet.

That is why Disbelivers regardless of their great deeds and Nobel characteristics will not enter paradise.
 
“True religion” in the literal sense is an oxymoron.

Metaphorically, religious stories can contain truth.
 
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“True religion” in the literal sense is an oxymoron.

Metaphorically, religious stories can contain truth.

Pretty much. You could of course argue none of the religions are true, I suppose the reason why atheists rail more against Islam than other religions is because it's followers seem to take it more seriously than the rest.
 
“True religion” in the literal sense is an oxymoron.

Metaphorically, religious stories can contain truth.

Every religion believes it has the key to after life salvation. If it didn't then what would be the point of following it? No point me starving my self in daylight hours or waking up at 3am to pray if I didn't believe it's part of my contract to be saved from hell fire. If you don't believe it then that is your prerogative but you can't have it both ways.
 
I don't understand the point of this thread. You're asking Muslims if they believe their religion is the one true religion. Isn't the answer obvious? Obviously, Muslims think their religion is the one true religion. If you ask that question to followers of any religion they will answer with a resounding yes.
 
I don't understand the point of this thread. You're asking Muslims if they believe their religion is the one true religion. Isn't the answer obvious? Obviously, Muslims think their religion is the one true religion. If you ask that question to followers of any religion they will answer with a resounding yes.

The idea that “our religion is the only true religion” is largely a characteristic of the Abrahamic faiths. The more philosophical and spiritual religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism etc. are not so black and white.

In a certain school of thought, a good Muslim can still be a good Hindu or a good Sikh, but a good Hindu can never be a good Muslim from an Islamic perspective.
 
It's obvious you're being a hypocrite. First you say you're a Muslim then you say you have doubt whether there is god or not. Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

Again, you need to understand what the terms agnostic and atheist mean, and perhaps you also need to understand what I am trying to say.

I don’t doubt the existence of God, but I cannot prove it to anyone who doesn’t believe in His existence. Similarly, I cannot prove to anyone that Islam is the only true religion.

Ultimately, it is down to faith and faith can be proved. Since it cannot be proved, there is a possibility that I might be wrong. At the end of the day, people who follow other religions have faith as well, and in their mind, they are right.

There is a reason why the vast overwhelming majority of the people follow the religion of their parents, except for the converts of course.

If I, you and everyone on this thread who is arguing over why Islam is the only true religion was born in Christian or Jewish families, the chances would been extremely high that we would be calling those respective religions as the ultimate truth.

We are Muslims by luck, by fluke, and hence it is important for us to keep an open mind and not completely discount the possibility that we might be wrong.
 
For non believers, in terms of abrahamic faith, the entity of god comes off as a very insecure one. "You'll have to worship me otherwise you'll be burn in hell for eternity."

This has been one of the questions that were raised time and time again. But then again, this is the main reason why these faiths spread so quickly than other faiths.

Hinduism, as old as it is, still you can't define who is Hindu. You need some type of restrictions that holds the people together. Be it devotion or fear. And abrahamic faith has done this aspect quite right.
 
For non believers, in terms of abrahamic faith, the entity of god comes off as a very insecure one. "You'll have to worship me otherwise you'll be burn in hell for eternity."

This has been one of the questions that were raised time and time again. But then again, this is the main reason why these faiths spread so quickly than other faiths.

Hinduism, as old as it is, still you can't define who is Hindu. You need some type of restrictions that holds the people together. Be it devotion or fear. And abrahamic faith has done this aspect quite right.

I don't think the burning in hell for eternity is as big a factor as you make it for Abrahamic faiths, at least not in this day and age. Christianity and Islam are very inclusive in that they invite all people of the world to join the faith in unison. Judaism strangely doesn't, I don't know that much about it to assess the reasons why it differs from the other two Abrahamic faiths but I am sure someone will explain. Hinduism too seems linked to the land itself in the subcontinent, you don't generally get Hindus inviting non-Hindus to join the faith, at least not on equal terms.
 
My point that you missed is that if we as humans can have rules which means can do something and others can't, why can't Allah. Allah has laid out the rules in the Koran and if we don't accept them on mass we go to hell, and even if we do but don't obey some of them we will spend some time in hell.
Our proof for the Islam being the only religion is the Koran and if your soul is destined you will accept it as such. If non Muslims believe that they are on the right path and they will go to their heaven then I have no complaints and if it transpires that we were in the wrong path, then that is just tough. I fast for 18 hours a day for a whole month, I wake up at 3am for Namaz in the summer, and pray 5 times a day, and give my Zakat and if we are going to the same place, what is the point? Yours is the Dunya but dont talk crap about we are all doing the same things and they should get the same rewards. Non muslims will be rewarded for their good deeds on the earth.

A few years ago, we were fasting at the start of the term in September,on the staff at my School there were 3 of us that were Muslims( one of the guys like you decided that Islam was too hard and had for all purposes given up), the 2 of us were fasting and the school laid on a dinner. I and the lady teacher looked at each other and saw the expensive well cooked food with chapped lips and dried mouths and just smiled at each other as the rest of the staff tucked in to food and wine ( not that we drank) we never said anything, but we know that this was Allah's test for us, and no point did I think I want some of that. Allah has his rules and you accept them or you don't.

This isn’t about what type of a Muslim you are and how closely you obey the teachings of Islam. You said you fast for 18 hours, but who benefits from your fast?

Absolutely no one. In fact even you don’t benefit because you have low productivity that month, and it is possible that it might impact your teaching performance. However, you still do it because you believe that you will be rewarded in the afterlife.

But is your 18 hour fast and 5 prayers a day benefitted the world in anyway? Has it benefitted the world more than the man who saved billions from poverty? Has it benefitted more than Bill Gates who has helped end polio in the world?

Has it benefitted more than the services of the people whose inventions have allowed Muslims to go to Hajj and read the Quran?

Let’s look at the example of J. Gutenberg, the man who invented the printing press in the 1400s.

His inventions allowed mass production of books including the Quran. Without his invention, the handwritten Qurans that took months to complete would not have reached half of the world.

Today, the Quran can be found in every corner of the world and his invention has helped millions to embrace Islam. Is there no reward for him and the other people that I mentioned in God’s eyes, simply because they didn’t recite the kalimah and don’t pray and fast?

I am not questioning why you deserve to go to Heaven; I am questioning why these people, who have changed the lives of millions and billions of Muslims and even helped them embrace Islam, are condemned for eternal hellfire.

So hypothetically speaking, a Muslim who believes in God, prays and fasts but also indulges in worldly pleasures like drinking, prostitution, gambling etc. will eventually go to Heaven after paying for his sins in Hell, but a man whose invention has transformed the lives of billions of Muslims and helped them get closer to God will get zero reward for their services after death.

Incredible. I take my hat off to this amazing criteria of justice and to everyone who are justifying and defending it.
 
This has been briefed in reply to [MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION]. Being a doctor you know what is medical truth. Non-doctors have to believe in you. They can't argue your modus operandi, they just have to believe in you. Theoretically at this point a doctor is self righteous and discriminating.

This applies to religion exactly in similar say, just that it's proof is beyond materials.

As I said in earlier post, most of the religions are true. Islam is complete saturated truth, other religions being incomplete and unsaturated truth. This answers your question of rewards for humanity deeds. Heaven is not coupled with being a Muslim. Non-Muslims can earn this reward if their good deeds outweigh bad deeds, under certain conditions. If someone doesn't agree with this view, sura al-araf (The wall, between hell and heaven) discusses it in detail.

The problem with this analogy is that you are comparing something that that can be verified to something that cannot be verified. The knowledge and skill of a doctor can easily be verified, but the existence of God and the belief that Islam is the only true religion cannot be.

Your belief that Islam is unsaturated truth is again a statement that cannot be verified, and you believe that only because you were born in a Muslim family (assuming you are not a convert). If your parents were Christians and Jews, you would be calling Christianity and Judaism as unsaturated truths.

I do agree that non-Muslims will be rewarded for this good deeds. Condemning people - who changed the lives of millions of people including Muslims - to everlasting Hell is most justice by any measure.
 
I don't think the burning in hell for eternity is as big a factor as you make it for Abrahamic faiths, at least not in this day and age. Christianity and Islam are very inclusive in that they invite all people of the world to join the faith in unison. Judaism strangely doesn't, I don't know that much about it to assess the reasons why it differs from the other two Abrahamic faiths but I am sure someone will explain. Hinduism too seems linked to the land itself in the subcontinent, you don't generally get Hindus inviting non-Hindus to join the faith, at least not on equal terms.

Burning hell does seems far fetched in these days and time but do remember, we are talking about faith here which shouldn't change with passage of time no matter what the circumstances are. Otherwise it won't be a faith.

The last part is exactly what I wrote above. Joining and keeping the people inside the faith plays a key role in spreading and increasing the number of followers.

Hinduism has so many multiple different branches that it has no strict policy. You have polytheism, monotheism and then you have monotheism where idol worship is forbidden. With such array of faith, it's important that "inclusion" doesn't come off as aggression in order to maintain the harmony. There were conflicts when one branch tried to include more followers (centuries ago) but there were lots of conflicts and people have gone pass that stage to accept the faith in whatever form they come.

What you read about here is extreme side which is localized to 2-3 states of india (mostly where conflicts between mughals and Hindu rulers took place). But the rest of the place, no one actually cares which religion you come from.

To speak simply, Hinduism couldn't spread due to this simple reason. Due to its structure, the organization that abrahamic faith has, is impossible to achieve in case of Hinduism.
 
This has been briefed in reply to [MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION]. Being a doctor you know what is medical truth. Non-doctors have to believe in you. They can't argue your modus operandi, they just have to believe in you. Theoretically at this point a doctor is self righteous and discriminating.

This applies to religion exactly in similar say, just that it's proof is beyond materials.

As I said in earlier post, most of the religions are true. Islam is complete saturated truth, other religions being incomplete and unsaturated truth. This answers your question of rewards for humanity deeds. Heaven is not coupled with being a Muslim. Non-Muslims can earn this reward if their good deeds outweigh bad deeds, under certain conditions. If someone doesn't agree with this view, sura al-araf (The wall, between hell and heaven) discusses it in detail.

No reliance on deeds is not from Mainstream Islam.


This aphorism helps us to realise that we do not reach Allah through good deeds, but rather through His enabling grace (tawfiq), which allows us to do good: And Allah created you and what you do. [37:96] There is also this authentic hadith: ‘None of you will enter Paradise due to your deeds.’ They said: Not even you, O Allah’s Messenger? He ﷺ said: ‘Not even me; unless Allah covers me in His kindness and mercy.’2 In this realisation, then, lie the soul’s repose and the removal of the layered profanities of our own selfhood. For how can we harbour pretensions of righteousness when righteous accomplishments are not of our own doing, but are gifts from God? It’s only when we fail to see this reality do we then start to see works of faith as being of our own doing; and thus begin to be vain, conceited and bask in our own self-glory.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehumblei.com/2017/05/24/do-good-deeds-but-dont-rely-upon-them/amp/
 
No reliance on deeds is not from Mainstream Islam.


This aphorism helps us to realise that we do not reach Allah through good deeds, but rather through His enabling grace (tawfiq), which allows us to do good: And Allah created you and what you do. [37:96] There is also this authentic hadith: ‘None of you will enter Paradise due to your deeds.’ They said: Not even you, O Allah’s Messenger? He ﷺ said: ‘Not even me; unless Allah covers me in His kindness and mercy.’2 In this realisation, then, lie the soul’s repose and the removal of the layered profanities of our own selfhood. For how can we harbour pretensions of righteousness when righteous accomplishments are not of our own doing, but are gifts from God? It’s only when we fail to see this reality do we then start to see works of faith as being of our own doing; and thus begin to be vain, conceited and bask in our own self-glory.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehumblei.com/2017/05/24/do-good-deeds-but-dont-rely-upon-them/amp/

So if we do good deed, credit goes to the divine entity but in terms of bad deed, its our own deed?
 
My view is that all religions have some aspects of truth to them, but the Muslim position is that Islam is the one which has been preserved as the correct path. This does not mean that other religions are false, but they have deviated from their essence. The confidence of the followers of the differing faiths is a telling factor.

Lack of confidence can be a sign of wisdom. The brainiest and most well-read Christians deny the Resurrection, for example. The more one reads, the more one realises that the map is not the territory. Except in maths.

Absolute belief in something one cannot prove is an intellectual limitation, in my opinion.
 
Every religion believes it has the key to after life salvation. If it didn't then what would be the point of following it? No point me starving my self in daylight hours or waking up at 3am to pray if I didn't believe it's part of my contract to be saved from hell fire. If you don't believe it then that is your prerogative but you can't have it both ways.

Buddhism doesn't, at least Western Buddhism. You have to save yourself, while you are alive. No God will do it for you. This attracts me to Buddhism, as do the parallels some have drawn between Buddhism and quantum theory.

Which two ways am I trying to "have" "it"?
 
Pretty much. You could of course argue none of the religions are true, I suppose the reason why atheists rail more against Islam than other religions is because it's followers seem to take it more seriously than the rest.

I'd say atheists rail against fundamentalism, be that Muslim or Christian. Professor Dawkins was happy to dismiss as irrelevant nutjobs the fundies who attacked his work, at least up until 9/11, then he decided that fundamentalism is an assault on civilisation and he got radical.
 
Buddhism doesn't, at least Western Buddhism. You have to save yourself, while you are alive. No God will do it for you. This attracts me to Buddhism, as do the parallels some have drawn between Buddhism and quantum theory.

Which two ways am I trying to "have" "it"?

It may not be you but Some people on here are saying that everyone should be allowed to go to heaven but have no intention in obeying the rules.
 
No reliance on deeds is not from Mainstream Islam.


This aphorism helps us to realise that we do not reach Allah through good deeds, but rather through His enabling grace (tawfiq), which allows us to do good: And Allah created you and what you do. [37:96] There is also this authentic hadith: ‘None of you will enter Paradise due to your deeds.’ They said: Not even you, O Allah’s Messenger? He ﷺ said: ‘Not even me; unless Allah covers me in His kindness and mercy.’2 In this realisation, then, lie the soul’s repose and the removal of the layered profanities of our own selfhood. For how can we harbour pretensions of righteousness when righteous accomplishments are not of our own doing, but are gifts from God? It’s only when we fail to see this reality do we then start to see works of faith as being of our own doing; and thus begin to be vain, conceited and bask in our own self-glory.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehumblei.com/2017/05/24/do-good-deeds-but-dont-rely-upon-them/amp/

Al-Araaf , The Wall, is not a part of Heaven. And also it's not a part of Hell. By description of it, it is much closer to Heaven but is not in Heaven.
 
This isn’t about what type of a Muslim you are and how closely you obey the teachings of Islam. You said you fast for 18 hours, but who benefits from your fast?

Absolutely no one. In fact even you don’t benefit because you have low productivity that month, and it is possible that it might impact your teaching performance. However, you still do it because you believe that you will be rewarded in the afterlife.

But is your 18 hour fast and 5 prayers a day benefitted the world in anyway? Has it benefitted the world more than the man who saved billions from poverty? Has it benefitted more than Bill Gates who has helped end polio in the world?

Has it benefitted more than the services of the people whose inventions have allowed Muslims to go to Hajj and read the Quran?

Let’s look at the example of J. Gutenberg, the man who invented the printing press in the 1400s.

His inventions allowed mass production of books including the Quran. Without his invention, the handwritten Qurans that took months to complete would not have reached half of the world.

Today, the Quran can be found in every corner of the world and his invention has helped millions to embrace Islam. Is there no reward for him and the other people that I mentioned in God’s eyes, simply because they didn’t recite the kalimah and don’t pray and fast?

I am not questioning why you deserve to go to Heaven; I am questioning why these people, who have changed the lives of millions and billions of Muslims and even helped them embrace Islam, are condemned for eternal hellfire.

So hypothetically speaking, a Muslim who believes in God, prays and fasts but also indulges in worldly pleasures like drinking, prostitution, gambling etc. will eventually go to Heaven after paying for his sins in Hell, but a man whose invention has transformed the lives of billions of Muslims and helped them get closer to God will get zero reward for their services after death.

Incredible. I take my hat off to this amazing criteria of justice and to everyone who are justifying and defending it.

There is no doubt that the example you gave are people that have made a real difference but their intention was to get rich, not to benefit humanity ( the benefit to humanity was incidental to the profit motive) Bill Gates didn't sit there think that this will help humanity he wanted to be rich. Look at the fines have faced for trying to circumvent anti trust laws.
As I said to you before, Allah has his criteria which includes the acceptance of him and final his Prophet. As was stated by one of the posters above, you will go to Jannat because of his mercy and not because of your deeds.
If you believe in Allah you know that his message would have been spread, whether it's through the printing press or some vehicle which we can't imagine. Afterall Islam had spread pretty quickly before the printing press and it would have done so without it. If you are destined to receive it, nothing can stop it.
 
There is no doubt that the example you gave are people that have made a real difference but their intention was to get rich, not to benefit humanity ( the benefit to humanity was incidental to the profit motive) Bill Gates didn't sit there think that this will help humanity he wanted to be rich. Look at the fines have faced for trying to circumvent anti trust laws.
As I said to you before, Allah has his criteria which includes the acceptance of him and final his Prophet. As was stated by one of the posters above, you will go to Jannat because of his mercy and not because of your deeds.
If you believe in Allah you know that his message would have been spread, whether it's through the printing press or some vehicle which we can't imagine. Afterall Islam had spread pretty quickly before the printing press and it would have done so without it. If you are destined to receive it, nothing can stop it.

Bill gates wanted to be rich so he helped humanity.

The Muslims trying to good deeds in order to get access to heaven.

How are these different? Both are driven by self interest.
 
Bill gates wanted to be rich so he helped humanity.

The Muslims trying to good deeds in order to get access to heaven.

How are these different? Both are driven by self interest.

True, one for this life and one for the next. Bill has got his billions and doesnt have to worry ibadat and true Muslims will worry about meeting their maker. The reality is that true Muslims are will be very few in number because the vast majority of us are hedging their bets but Allah knows best.
 
Lack of confidence can be a sign of wisdom. The brainiest and most well-read Christians deny the Resurrection, for example. The more one reads, the more one realises that the map is not the territory. Except in maths.

Absolute belief in something one cannot prove is an intellectual limitation, in my opinion.

Agree with that, blind faith can be especially dangerous, but what I meant by confidence is that those who proseltyse the faith must believe they are doing it in good faith and want the best for everyone, even if it does annoy those who don't particularly want to hear it. It's not like Judaism or Hinduism, which to me seem to be a closed shop where you have to be born into the faith rather than everyone welcome.
 
I'd say atheists rail against fundamentalism, be that Muslim or Christian. Professor Dawkins was happy to dismiss as irrelevant nutjobs the fundies who attacked his work, at least up until 9/11, then he decided that fundamentalism is an assault on civilisation and he got radical.

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'Be that Muslim or Christian'. Right.
 
Buddhism doesn't, at least Western Buddhism. You have to save yourself, while you are alive. No God will do it for you. This attracts me to Buddhism, as do the parallels some have drawn between Buddhism and quantum theory.

Which two ways am I trying to "have" "it"?

Buddhism has a lot of essential truth to it, which in my view is what makes it attractive to so many people the world over. It is like they stripped all the religions of the dogmas and distilled the good stuff and put it all into one philosophy.
 
True, one for this life and one for the next. Bill has got his billions and doesnt have to worry ibadat and true Muslims will worry about meeting their maker. The reality is that true Muslims are will be very few in number because the vast majority of us are hedging their bets but Allah knows best.

Let get all these information in to perspective.

good deeds against Self interest for current life isn't good.
good deeds against Self interest for next life is good as long as you are a believer.
Same good deeds against self interest for next life isn't good if you are a non believer.

Did i get it right?
 
Let get all these information in to perspective.

good deeds against Self interest for current life isn't good.
good deeds against Self interest for next life is good as long as you are a believer.
Same good deeds against self interest for next life isn't good if you are a non believer.

Did i get it right?

1st 2 are right. The 3rd depends on your perspective, if you are sacrificing to be rewarded by the diety you worship then it will reward you.
 
I think this is a very-narrow minded assessment. I am a Muslim but I cannot prove that I am on the right track. It is simply a matter of faith. I might be right and I might be wrong, but I cannot prove it either way.

However, I am not comfortable with the notion that only Muslims are eligible to go to heaven and any non-believer, no matter how great his/her services have been to humanity and this world, is not eligible to go to Heaven unless he believes in Islam. That sounds extremely unfair to me.

I think you're highly ignorant and narrow minded if you're looking at my fair question in that way which asks you to to elaborate further when your view is not the exactly the norm when it comes to traditional Islamic views. Furthermore, often I see you insult your own faith, fellow muslims and make all types of generalisations; don't you think it's a bit rich of you to take the morale high ground then when it comes to the views which you have and are entitled to ?
 
So if we do good deed, credit goes to the divine entity but in terms of bad deed, its our own deed?

Both good and evil deeds are a creation of God, out of etiquette we attribute all good to God and evil to ourselves.

God can create for you both good and bad choices, but you ultimately choose which choice to commit.
 
Both good and evil deeds are a creation of God, out of etiquette we attribute all good to God and evil to ourselves.

God can create for you both good and bad choices, but you ultimately choose which choice to commit.

this is no means to offend any faith here's one question i would like to ask.

Supposing good and evil, both are created by God, what was the purpose of creation of evil?

Was it to test the integrity of man by putting him through various obstacles in life and check what path it chooses?

if that's the case, doesn't it seem a little too cruel where one entity, who has all the control to stop everything, yet decides to do nothing only to punish those same human later who wouldn't have get indulge in evil if that wasn't created in the first place?
 
this is no means to offend any faith here's one question i would like to ask.

Supposing good and evil, both are created by God, what was the purpose of creation of evil?

Was it to test the integrity of man by putting him through various obstacles in life and check what path it chooses?

if that's the case, doesn't it seem a little too cruel where one entity, who has all the control to stop everything, yet decides to do nothing only to punish those same human later who wouldn't have get indulge in evil if that wasn't created in the first place?

Good is only good if it's relative to something.
 
this is no means to offend any faith here's one question i would like to ask.

Supposing good and evil, both are created by God, what was the purpose of creation of evil?

Was it to test the integrity of man by putting him through various obstacles in life and check what path it chooses?

if that's the case, doesn't it seem a little too cruel where one entity, who has all the control to stop everything, yet decides to do nothing only to punish those same human later who wouldn't have get indulge in evil if that wasn't created in the first place?

We would not have free will if we could not commit evil, the whole test of life would be pointless if we could only do good.
 
Surah Najm(Star)
33.Or do they say, 37.Or are the Treasures
"He fabricated the(Message)"? Of thy Lord with them,
Nay, they have no faith! Or are they the managers
34.Let them then produce (Of affairs)?
A recital like unto it,--- 38.Or have they a ladder,
If they(it be) speak By which they can (climb
The Truth! Up to heaven and) listen
35.Were they created of (To its secrets)? Then let
nothing (Such a) listener of theirs
Or were they themselves Produce a manifest proof.
The creators? 39.Or has He only daughters?
36.Or did they create And ye have sons?
The heavens and the earth? 40.Or is that thou
Nay, they have Dost ask for a reward,
No firm belief. So that they are burdened
With a load of debt?---
41.Or that the Unseen
Is in their hands,
 
Misconceptions here
1. Islam started when Adam A.S came on earth
2. Allah will forgive anything except Shirk
Because Allah says in the Quran: "Verily, shirk is the greatest sin".
 
Supposing good and evil, both are created by God, what was the purpose of creation of evil?

Was it to test the integrity of man by putting him through various obstacles in life and check what path it chooses?

Good and evil are human inventions.

If you look at the Torah / Old Testament, Satan does not really figure except to tempt Job. He appears to be having a debate with Jehovah, or perhaps is acting as Jehovah’s legal adversary in a cosmic court.

Later on, the Israelites were having a very hard time despite keeping Jehovah’s covenant. So they had to come up with an explanation for this Problem of Evil - and Satan was blamed and began to be written of as a supervillain instead of God’s prosecutor.
 
There is no doubt that the example you gave are people that have made a real difference but their intention was to get rich, not to benefit humanity ( the benefit to humanity was incidental to the profit motive) Bill Gates didn't sit there think that this will help humanity he wanted to be rich. Look at the fines have faced for trying to circumvent anti trust laws.
As I said to you before, Allah has his criteria which includes the acceptance of him and final his Prophet. As was stated by one of the posters above, you will go to Jannat because of his mercy and not because of your deeds.
If you believe in Allah you know that his message would have been spread, whether it's through the printing press or some vehicle which we can't imagine. Afterall Islam had spread pretty quickly before the printing press and it would have done so without it. If you are destined to receive it, nothing can stop it.

Whatever Bill Gates' intentions are, his multi-billion dollar charity has helped change the world. What is the point of "good intentions" when they don't benefit anyone but one's own-self, that too based on blind faith?
 
I think you're highly ignorant and narrow minded if you're looking at my fair question in that way which asks you to to elaborate further when your view is not the exactly the norm when it comes to traditional Islamic views. Furthermore, often I see you insult your own faith, fellow muslims and make all types of generalisations; don't you think it's a bit rich of you to take the morale high ground then when it comes to the views which you have and are entitled to ?

Please give examples of where I have insulted Islam and Muslims. If they are actual insults, I will admit to them and if they are not, I will try to explain. As far as generalisations are concerned, there is always a hint of truth in every generalisation.
 
Whatever Bill Gates' intentions are, his multi-billion dollar charity has helped change the world. What is the point of "good intentions" when they don't benefit anyone but one's own-self, that too based on blind faith?

And he has been rewarded with fabulous wealth and accolades on this earth. He did all his good for worldly gain and has been rewarded handsomely. As far as your 2nd point is concerned, its the Niyaat that count. Why does me helping building a well not benefit anyone, even though i have done it earn my reward from Allah
 
And he has been rewarded with fabulous wealth and accolades on this earth. He did all his good for worldly gain and has been rewarded handsomely. As far as your 2nd point is concerned, its the Niyaat that count. Why does me helping building a well not benefit anyone, even though i have done it earn my reward from Allah

So basically, in Allah's eyes, there is no reward after death for serving humanity. All He cares about his whether you worshipped him or not through the religion of his preference.

In Islam, there is great emphasis on human rights (huqooq-al-ibad) and its reward in Allah's eyes, but according to some here, they only apply to Muslims because if you are a non-Muslim, no matter how much you have served humanity, you are doomed after death.
 
So basically, in Allah's eyes, there is no reward after death for serving humanity. All He cares about his whether you worshipped him or not through the religion of his preference.

In Islam, there is great emphasis on human rights (huqooq-al-ibad) and its reward in Allah's eyes, but according to some here, they only apply to Muslims because if you are a non-Muslim, no matter how much you have served humanity, you are doomed after death.

Remember we are no scholars but why should Allah reward people that never accepted him, never prayed to him and never did it for for him. If i do something for humanity and i did it for Allahs love, then my reward will come in the after life, if i did it for wealth, fame and acceptance then my reward will come in those forms.
 
The idea that “our religion is the only true religion” is largely a characteristic of the Abrahamic faiths. The more philosophical and spiritual religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism etc. are not so black and white.

In a certain school of thought, a good Muslim can still be a good Hindu or a good Sikh, but a good Hindu can never be a good Muslim from an Islamic perspective.

I don't know about Buddhism and Sikhism but Hinduism is certainly not like this anymore. Its origins probably were though.

That's perhaps the reason why you have so many gods and thoughts within what we call Hinduism today, because it basically was like a sponge absorbing practices, minor religions and thoughts into it.

Hinduism is rooted in skepticism and atheism - sadly not too much of this exists anymore.
 
LOL at "True religion" but it is probably the only religion that still is lasting. Pretty much everyone from other religious backgrounds will think twice if you ask them if god exists.
 
Misconceptions here
1. Islam started when Adam A.S came on earth
2. Allah will forgive anything except Shirk
Because Allah says in the Quran: "Verily, shirk is the greatest sin".

Did any of the so called Prophets before Muhammed pray to Allah? Did they say Allahu Akbar? They believed in Yahweh as the supreme lord. Unless you mean to say that Allah = Yahweh.
 
LOL at "True religion" but it is probably the only religion that still is lasting. Pretty much everyone from other religious backgrounds will think twice if you ask them if god exists.

Its all about upbringing. Can you publicly say in a Muslim country that you doubt the existence of God?
 
The world has a population of 7.53 billion people out of which 5.5 billion people are non-Muslims. That's a lot of people who will be going to hell according to Islam. If you include numbers from the past, you will end up adding several billion more people who will be tormented for eternity.

Does it sound right to you? Does it sound fair to you?

People like Einstein, Tesla, Hawking, etc. will be going to hell because they did not believe in Allah and Muhammad? They will burn in fire for eternity which is a very very very long time (think of universe as 14 billion years old) for a life that did not last 100 years? What kind of God will torture his creation for eternity? The irony on top is that the same God is supposed to love you more than 70 moms. I am yet to meet a parent who is so hateful of their kids that they want them to suffer for trillions of years.

No, Islam is not a true religion, neither is any other. All religions are just tools to control people. Religions enslave you and crush free-thinking. In true words of Christopher Hitchens, religion poisons everything.
 
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Remember we are no scholars but why should Allah reward people that never accepted him, never prayed to him and never did it for for him. If i do something for humanity and i did it for Allahs love, then my reward will come in the after life, if i did it for wealth, fame and acceptance then my reward will come in those forms.

Imagine if you were a creator and you created ants. Some ants refuse to acknowledge you but they do good to their fellow ants. Why, you the creator, who is so above your creation be bothered by the refusal of your insignificant creation? Why would you punish them forever? The whole concept of eternal punishment is very sadistic and came from the mind of barbaric ancient people who thought fear was the only tool that could control people.
 
The world has a population of 7.53 billion people out of which 5.5 billion people are non-Muslims. That's a lot of people who will be going to hell according to Islam. If you include numbers from the past, you will end up adding several billion more people who will be tormented for eternity.

Does it sound right to you? Does it sound fair to you?

People like Einstein, Tesla, Hawking, etc. will be going to hell because they did not believe in Allah and Muhammad? They will burn in fire for eternity which is a very very very long time (think of universe as 14 billion years old) for a life that did not last 100 years? What kind of God will torture his creation for eternity? The irony on top is that the same God is supposed to love you more than 70 moms. I am yet to meet a parent who is so hateful of their kids that they want them to suffer for trillions of years.

No, Islam is not a true religion, neither is any other. All religions are just tools to control people. Religions enslave you and crush free-thinking. In true words of Christopher Hitchens, religion poisons everything.

Where does it say all Non-Muslims go to hell?
 
Imagine if you were a creator and you created ants. Some ants refuse to acknowledge you but they do good to their fellow ants. Why, you the creator, who is so above your creation be bothered by the refusal of your insignificant creation? Why would you punish them forever? The whole concept of eternal punishment is very sadistic and came from the mind of barbaric ancient people who thought fear was the only tool that could control people.

So why would you worry about something that you don't believe to be true? If you are right then we will be wrong, and if you are wrong then you can't complain that you weren't warned.
 
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