Is it essential to resolve Kashmir issue before peace can be established between India/Pakistan?

[MenInG]

Can India and Pakistan have normal relations WITHOUT solving the Kashmir issue?

 

[KingKhanWC]

No

If India keep on oppressing Kashmiri's it will be impossible for Pakistan to make total peace with India.

 

[DeadBall]

Both parties just using Kashmir for their personal needs and to keep the military juggernaut going.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Both parties just using Kashmir for their personal needs and to keep the military juggernaut going.

So according to you, India and Pakistan treat Kashmir's' the same?

 

[DeadBall]

So according to you, India and Pakistan treat Kashmir's' the same?

Don't know what "same" means here. All I know is that they're using Kashmir as a pawn to thump their collective chests even harder.

 

[Pakistanian]

Both parties just using Kashmir for their personal needs and to keep the military juggernaut going.

I don't see it that way. I think peoples answer will differ in where in Pakistan they originate from, the further away from Kashmir the less important it is for them.

 

[Pakistanian]

I think it should be resolved but there's no reason why Pakistan and India can't have good relations like they did in the mid 2000s - we don't have to sell our principles and what matters to us to make that happen.

 

[DeadBall]

I don't see it that way. I think peoples answer will differ in where in Pakistan they originate from, the further away from Kashmir the less important it is for them.

The point being most Kashmiris given the choice would opt for self governance and all this topi drama is just to have control of resources and have a common enemy to pour money into the defence budget.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Don't know what "same" means here. All I know is that they're using Kashmir as a pawn to thump their collective chests even harder.

As in treatment, respect, rights .

Most nations use lands for political purposes but not every nation, tortures, murders, rapes and place hundreds of thousands of security personal against a population.

 

[Pakistanian]

The point being most Kashmiris given the choice would opt for self governance and all this topi drama is just to have control of resources and have a common enemy to pour money into the defence budget.

We all know that however it isn't some "topi drama". Are from coastal Pakistan?

 

[DeadBall]

We all know that however it isn't some "topi drama". Are from coastal Pakistan?

What does it matter where I'm from. Which state in the US are you from? Its not your daily life this issue is affecting is it. Let the people who it affects decide for themselves.

 

[DeadBall]

As in treatment, respect, rights .

Most nations use lands for political purposes but not every nation, tortures, murders, rapes and place hundreds of thousands of security personal against a population.

"Most nations use lands for political purposes but not every nation"

Don't even have a counter for that.

As for the bolded part all I can say is that if people got out of their parents basements after marrying early they might have a better grasp on the realities of life.

P.S- Almost forgot the smiley

 

[Pakistanian]

What does it matter where I'm from. Which state in the US are you from? Its not your daily life this issue is affecting is it. Let the people who it affects decide for themselves.

It does kinda matter. You van say that about any world issue or cause, and lmao at let the people decide. That's the very reason why it's an issue - they're not getting the right to decide for themselves and instead are victims of a continuous genocide.

 

[TM Riddle]

I don't see the Kashmir issue getting resolved in the near future, not in our lifetime atleast. IMO India and Pak should agree to LOC becoming an International border with Pakistan stop sponsoring cross border terrorism which will lead to situation becoming normal in the valley.
There's a massive trade potential between the two countries if sanity prevails among the two camps.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yes peace can be established without resolving the Kashmir Issue. No body in the international arena give 2 hoots about Kashmir, India will always hold the cards. Pakistan needs to let Kashmir go for their own betterment, once they let Kashmir go they can concentrate on building their economy and work on normalizing relations with India.

Pakistan needs to swallow its pride and realize,India is too strong, they also have international support, while Pakistan may get placed on the international terror watch list which will have alarming consequences for the future of the country, Kashmir is driving Pakistan into the ground.......

 

[KingKhanWC]

"Most nations use lands for political purposes but not every nation"

Don't even have a counter for that.

As for the bolded part all I can say is that if people got out of their parents basements after marrying early they might have a better grasp on the realities of life.

P.S- Almost forgot the smiley

You wont because you clearly dont understand what I meant. Even if there was peace, nations use others for poltical gain as India did with Maldives, Banglaesh etc.

You want Kashmiri's in occupied India to marry early which will changes things? Are you ok?

 

[Pakpak]

Pakistan India will simply choose something else to fight over in the absence of Kashmir.

 

[Thomaskutty]

No

If India keep on oppressing Kashmiri's it will be impossible for Pakistan to make total peace with India.

When Pakistan overthrows the military junta that currently rules it which uses Kashmir as the fuel to keep it relevant in its country's affairs , that's when long lasting peace will be achieved.

 

[Pakistanian]

When Pakistan overthrows the military junta that currently rules it which uses Kashmir as the fuel to keep it relevant in its country's affairs , that's when long lasting peace will be achieved.

I don't see how either Abassi or Mamnoon Hussain make a military junta . your bosses don't pay you enough to do the right research

 

[Thomaskutty]

I don't see how either Abassi or Mamnoon Hussain make a military junta . your bosses don't pay you enough to do the right research

Nah , they're just caretakers .. who have no say on these matters. Nawaz was a more stubborn character with whom India could've hashed out a deal regarding LOC but we all know what happened there .. cut down to size by not once but twice by sauron aka fauj. Poor Mian sahib

 

[English August]

I think it should be resolved but there's no reason why Pakistan and India can't have good relations like they did in the mid 2000s - we don't have to sell our principles and what matters to us to make that happen.

Guess what happened towards the end of "mid-2000s"? On 26-Nov-2008 to be precise.

 

[PakLFC]

Kashmir has to be resolved. India also has to stop terrorist activities in Baluchistan and KPK. If not Pak will and does reciprocate as well. Kashmir is the most important no doubt about it as it's people want a merger with Pakistan. India can't tolerate that.

 

[gkb101277867]

Most kashmiris don't give a you know what about Pakistan or India. The quicker the brainwashed citizens of both countries realise this the better

 

[PakLFC]

Most kashmiris don't give a you know what about Pakistan or India. The quicker the brainwashed citizens of both countries realise this the better

I am seeing Pak flags all over IoK. Even their dead are buried in them.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Kashmir has to be resolved. India also has to stop terrorist activities in Baluchistan and KPK. If not Pak will and does reciprocate as well. Kashmir is the most important no doubt about it as it's people want a merger with Pakistan. India can't tolerate that.

Majority in the valley want to join Pakistan. In Srinagar there’s a stronger independence movement but overall the desire to join Pakistan is great.

Not even the Pakistani establishment understand this! Baffling we aren’t acting upon it

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Kashmir has to be resolved. India also has to stop terrorist activities in Baluchistan and KPK. If not Pak will and does reciprocate as well. Kashmir is the most important no doubt about it as it's people want a merger with Pakistan. India can't tolerate that.

India wouldn’t care if Kashmir wanted independence. It cares between Kashmir valley and Chenab valley want to be part of Pakistan.

Peace is not possible until us Kashmiris get what they want- formal Union with Pakistan!

 

[shaz619]

India wouldn’t care if Kashmir wanted independence. It cares between Kashmir valley and Chenab valley want to be part of Pakistan.

Peace is not possible until us Kashmiris get what they want- formal Union with Pakistan!

I thought you were british and born in the UK ? or have you moved to Kashmir permanently

 

[big_gamer007]

Don’t think anything will change in our lifetime..

Ideally the easiest solution is for India and Pakistan to accept the current LOC and stop interfering.. Then build relations with each other and in next 10-15 years when trust is built Kashmiri’s from either side can go to other side without visa restrictions and stuff..

Anyways nothing is going to change so no point discussing about it weekly.

 

[babloos]

practically why would india want to resolve kashmir
it's like shooting in it's own foot politically as well as all those rivers.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

I thought you were british and born in the UK ? or have you moved to Kashmir permanently

I’m also a citizen of Pakistan and AJK (special status).

 

[OoparCut]

Can India and Pakistan have normal relations WITHOUT solving the Kashmir issue?

Can? Yes. Will they? Unlikely, because vested interests with incentives to perpetuate hostilities will always use the 'K' card to inflame the masses instead of working towards peace and an eventual solution.

 

[MenInG]

Its sad that people who are Kashmiris dont have a voice in this. Clearly there is an issue and its quite possible that they dont want to be with Pakistan or India!

 

[Pakistanian]

Its sad that people who are Kashmiris dont have a voice in this. Clearly there is an issue and its quite possible that they dont want to be with Pakistan or India!

I'm pretty sure thats what Pakistan's official stance has always been - let the people of Kashmir decide through a vote.

 

[barah_admi]

Its sad that people who are Kashmiris dont have a voice in this. Clearly there is an issue and its quite possible that they dont want to be with Pakistan or India!

It was proposed by Pakistan, to the UN, that Kashmir is demilitarised and with the help of UN overseers, a referendum is held on what Kashmiris want. World powers such as the US and the UK accepted the proposal. Who rejected it? Yes, that's right, India.

This isn't the first time of course and it won't be the last. Which is why I really dislike this whole "well yeah India is rubbish with Kashmir, but so is Pakistan" attitude. Pakistan, say what you want about the government, ISI, military etc but it has put proposal after proposal on the table, year after year (the latest being 2016 I believe, according to the Economic Times anyway) but India has flat out refused. They have been refusing since 1949, why should it change now?

 

[OoparCut]

It was proposed by Pakistan, to the UN, that Kashmir is demilitarised and with the help of UN overseers, a referendum is held on what Kashmiris want. World powers such as the US and the UK accepted the proposal. Who rejected it? Yes, that's right, India.

This isn't the first time of course and it won't be the last. Which is why I really dislike this whole "well yeah India is rubbish with Kashmir, but so is Pakistan" attitude. Pakistan, say what you want about the government, ISI, military etc but it has put proposal after proposal on the table, year after year (the latest being 2016 I believe, according to the Economic Times anyway) but India has flat out refused. They have been refusing since 1949, why should it change now?

That's quite a cherrypicked and flawed version of history. Not surprising though.

Besides, history is history now. No country is going to allow changes in borders in the face of separatist violence. Pakistanis love to claim Indian side of Kashmir as a "disputed" territory. But when Afghans challenge the Durand line, and argue that territory east of that line is disputed, suddenly existing lines or lines drawn by British are ironclad and not up for change. Even if they divide population of the same ethnicity along an artificial line.

Bottomline, if Pakistan truly cared for the benefit of Kashmir, instead of coveting territory, it would stop supporting violence. Because PakMil Establishment knows that it is impossible that Indian govt will make any concessions to violence. Only chance for Kashmiris to live peacefully is to stop the violence, and then make the best deal possible. But its preferable for PakMil to "keep the pot boiling". Who cares if its the Kashmiris who suffer. Blame mostly goes to India right? Not really. At least the PakMil can keep calling the shots and hoover up big chunks of Pak national budget. Why upset the apple cart.

 

[barah_admi]

That's quite a cherrypicked and flawed version of history. Not surprising though.

Besides, history is history now. No country is going to allow changes in borders in the face of separatist violence. Pakistanis love to claim Indian side of Kashmir as a "disputed" territory. But when Afghans challenge the Durand line, and argue that territory east of that line is disputed, suddenly existing lines or lines drawn by British are ironclad and not up for change. Even if they divide population of the same ethnicity along an artificial line.

Bottomline, if Pakistan truly cared for the benefit of Kashmir, instead of coveting territory, it would stop supporting violence. Because PakMil Establishment knows that it is impossible that Indian govt will make any concessions to violence. Only chance for Kashmiris to live peacefully is to stop the violence, and then make the best deal possible. But its preferable for PakMil to "keep the pot boiling". Who cares if its the Kashmiris who suffer. Blame mostly goes to India right? Not really. At least the PakMil can keep calling the shots and hoover up big chunks of Pak national budget. Why upset the apple cart.

Let's get our facts straight, as recently as 2016, the Pakistani government wanted talks on Kashmir and possible solutions, which the Indian counterparts outright refused. They said "no"...not maybe, not some time down the line, they did not even present a counter argument, they flat out refused.

Talking about all that rubbish you have in your post is useless. If you can tell me when the last time was that the Indians actively wanted to engage in internationally brokered peace discussions regarding Kashmir, I'd be happy to carry on discussing this. If you want to carry on creating strawmen because you have an inferiority to the truth, go do that to someone else.

 

[OoparCut]

Let's get our facts straight, as recently as 2016, the Pakistani government wanted talks on Kashmir and possible solutions, which the Indian counterparts outright refused. They said "no"...not maybe, not some time down the line, they did not even present a counter argument, they flat out refused.

Talking about all that rubbish you have in your post is useless. If you can tell me when the last time was that the Indians actively wanted to engage in internationally brokered peace discussions regarding Kashmir, I'd be happy to carry on discussing this. If you want to carry on creating strawmen because you have an inferiority to the truth, go do that to someone else.

As recently as a few months before the Mumbai attacks, India and Pakistan were talking about a peace deal on Kashmir.

Truth doesn't faze me - I have no qualms accepting the fact that Indian govt has handled Kashmir poorly.

I want to see peace between India and Pakistan. But I understand and SUPPORT the Indian govt stand to say no in 2016. If Pakistan wants to talk about peace, they have to punish the terrorists living in their land, those who have murdered Indians. Instead of supporting them. Violence and terrorism will not get rewarded with talks. Stopping it will.

 

[barah_admi]

As recently as a few months before the Mumbai attacks, India and Pakistan were talking about a peace deal on Kashmir.

Truth doesn't faze me - I have no qualms accepting the fact that Indian govt has handled Kashmir poorly.

I want to see peace between India and Pakistan. But I understand and SUPPORT the Indian govt stand to say no in 2016. If Pakistan wants to talk about peace, they have to punish the terrorists living in their land, those who have murdered Indians. Instead of supporting them. Violence and terrorism will not get rewarded with talks. Stopping it will.

This is a ridiculous statement and position. IF India knows of all these terrorists (supposedly India has never done anything against Pakistan) then why not solve one of the biggest issues these groups feed off of, namely Kashmir? It is illogical.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Its sad that people who are Kashmiris dont have a voice in this. Clearly there is an issue and its quite possible that they dont want to be with Pakistan or India!

Without being disrespectful the common Pakistani doesn’t understand the wishes of the Kashmiri people in detail.

Does the common person know that the UN state of Jammu and Kashmir consists of Gilgit Baltistan, AJK, Kashmir valley, Chenab valley, Jammu city, South Jammu, Kargil and Ladakh? The ethnic Kashmiris live in north AJK and Kashmir valley.

The main area affected is Kashmir valley where Srinagar has a decent chunk of pro-independence people am mostly pro Pakistanis. The largest pro-Pakistan support is south Kashmir valley eg Tral and Shopian and Chenab valley.

In a referendum I think it would go like this:

Gilgit Baltistan- Pakistan
AJK- Pakistan
Kashmir valley- Pakistan
Chenab valley- Pakistan
Jammu city and south Jammu- India
Ladakh- India
Kargil- Pakistan

Pakistani Awam has no clue as to the extent of pro Pak support in Kashmir valley. Even the media in Pakistan doesn’t highlight this.

The pro-independence cause is minor and the interest of western nations to demonise Pakistan and set up a state for their own gains.
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] you need to educate yourself on this topic. I’ve got a large number of friends in Kashmir valley.
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] can you please highlight the Kashmir situation and the large myth about pro-independence being the majority in Kashmir valley?

Ps many in Kashmir valley tell me that people don’t feel they’re allowed to express pro Pakistan suppprt for desensitised if jail etc and therefore of pushed will say they’re pro independence to save themselves.

 

[DeadBall]

Without being disrespectful the common Pakistani doesn’t understand the wishes of the Kashmiri people in detail.

Does the common person know that the UN state of Jammu and Kashmir consists of Gilgit Baltistan, AJK, Kashmir valley, Chenab valley, Jammu city, South Jammu, Kargil and Ladakh? The ethnic Kashmiris live in north AJK and Kashmir valley.

The main area affected is Kashmir valley where Srinagar has a decent chunk of pro-independence people am mostly pro Pakistanis. The largest pro-Pakistan support is south Kashmir valley eg Tral and Shopian and Chenab valley.

In a referendum I think it would go like this:

Gilgit Baltistan- Pakistan
AJK- Pakistan
Kashmir valley- Pakistan
Chenab valley- Pakistan
Jammu city and south Jammu- India
Ladakh- India
Kargil- Pakistan

Pakistani Awam has no clue as to the extent of pro Pak support in Kashmir valley. Even the media in Pakistan doesn’t highlight this.

The pro-independence cause is minor and the interest of western nations to demonise Pakistan and set up a state for their own gains.

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] you need to educate yourself on this topic. I’ve got a large number of friends in Kashmir valley.

[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] can you please highlight the Kashmir situation and the large myth about pro-independence being the majority in Kashmir valley?

Ps many in Kashmir valley tell me that people don’t feel they’re allowed to express pro Pakistan suppprt for desensitised if jail etc and therefore of pushed will say they’re pro independence to save themselves.

Good for you. Apologies to you and your large number of friends.

 

[OoparCut]

This is a ridiculous statement and position. IF India knows of all these terrorists (supposedly India has never done anything against Pakistan) then why not solve one of the biggest issues these groups feed off of, namely Kashmir? It is illogical.

If I keep punching you in the mouth and ask you to give me your gold watch, and if you are strong enough to defend yourself, will you just give me what I'm asking for?

Do you think its realistic to expect any nation to give in to the demands of violent separatists? Would Pakistan do that under the threat of violence? No country does it, unless they lose a war.

Let's be honest here, putting aside the usual India-Pakistan "banter" or trading of verbal jabs. If anybody truly cares about the welfare of Kashmiris, they wouldn't support violence. The only realistic path to a peaceful and happy existence for Kashmiris is through co-operation with Indian govt, not by fighting against it. You have to admit the truth of that, even you don't have any love for the Indian govt.

 

[PukhtoonZalmay88]

I feel like the hate for Pakistan in India in the last 4-5 has gone to an insane level, all thanks to their media and the BJP government. It ll take decades before things go back to how they were 10-12 years ago.

 

[OoparCut]

I feel like the hate for Pakistan in India in the last 4-5 has gone to an insane level, all thanks to their media and the BJP government. It ll take decades before things go back to how they were 10-12 years ago.

All thanks to media and a political party? Nothing to do with 30 years of terrorist attacks, bombs in buses, trains, airplanes hijacked, innocents being killed? Its easy to blame "media" and "BJP", but those morons have been given plenty of material to hate monger with.

 

[barah_admi]

All thanks to media and a political party? Nothing to do with 30 years of terrorist attacks, bombs in buses, trains, airplanes hijacked, innocents being killed? Its easy to blame "media" and "BJP", but those morons have been given plenty of material to hate monger with.

The same cam be said of terror attacks and groups supported by India who actively operate in Pakistan, yet Pakistanis and the Pakistani government still wants to resolve issues on a board room table, not a battlefield. I guess Muslims are just more forgiving.

 

[OoparCut]

The same cam be said of terror attacks and groups supported by India who actively operate in Pakistan, yet Pakistanis and the Pakistani government still wants to resolve issues on a board room table, not a battlefield. I guess Muslims are just more forgiving.

What terror attacks happened in Pakistan in the 1990s and 2000s? Who helped Tiger Memon get bombs and triggers - proven to be property of Pakistan army btw - to blow up 7 bombs in Bomay in 1993 ? Who helped L-E-T attack the Red fort in India? Who helped J-E-M launch a fidayeen attack on Indian parliament? Was there any terrorism in Pakistan back then?

Reality is that terrorism in Pakistan only started happening since the US invaded Afghanistan after Sept 11th. And you honestly can't blame India for overwhelming majority of that. Not if you are being honest.


You guys really need to start being honest with yourself on the question of terror. Very few honest and mature people on this planet would even consider this phony false equivalence that some try to peddle - this theory that Indian govt is doing "the same" to Pakistan. Reality is that it isn't. And the historical record proves that it hasn't.

There are literally dozens of examples of Pakistanis who have been proven to be involved in terror attacks in India. And all Pakistan has to show is a messenger boy Jadhav, who may have been kidnapped from Iran to begin with.


And your canard about "muslims being more forgiving" aside. Even today, you will find majority of Indians in support of peace with Pakistan - but only if there is clear evidence that Pakistan has changed its policy. And while guys like Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed roam around free in Pakistan, the policy clearly hasn't.

You can't expect Indians to make peace with a government that is coddling and protecting murderers. That is unrealistic.

 

[Bosanquet]

As an outsider looking in, it would appear to me that Pakistan would have more to gain in trade and access to a vast market from a normalisation of economic relationships than India would. So perhaps India cares less about this and certainly is not willing to give up any territory (no nation is) just in the interest of peace. Pakistanis will need to decide if they would prefer to normalise in other areas while putting the issue of Kashmir "on ice". Perhaps years of meetings, trade and cricket matches! may even lead to a thaw in the very hard positions both nations adopt over kashmir.

 

[OoparCut]

As an outsider looking in, it would appear to me that Pakistan would have more to gain in trade and access to a vast market from a normalisation of economic relationships than India would. So perhaps India cares less about this and certainly is not willing to give up any territory (no nation is) just in the interest of peace. Pakistanis will need to decide if they would prefer to normalise in other areas while putting the issue of Kashmir "on ice". Perhaps years of meetings, trade and cricket matches! may even lead to a thaw in the very hard positions both nations adopt over kashmir.

There's a bit of economic insecurity in Pakistan with respect to better trade relationships - existing monopolies in Pakistan would get disrupted and a few businesses would suffer by opening up trade with the "enemy". That it would be a net benefit to both countries and people is a given though.

Best solution for Kashmir is to provide peace and security to the people, and make the sovereignty question irrelevant by giving them access to both sides of the border. Some type of honorable compromise. But for that to even be considered, PakMil needs to stop the terrorism blackmail. Until that happens, no Indian government is going to take them seriously. And rightly so.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

IMO it's never getting solved because the elites of both sides benefit from it tremendously . Here is my understanding of the situation :


Pakistani Military Establishment uses Kashmir and therefore India as a scarecrow to keep itself relevant and by default rule the country .

Indian Political establishment uses Pakistan to scare its public and have someone to blame their incompetence on . It is used as a distraction to keep people from focusing on real issues like corruption and incompetence.

 

[IAJ]

Yes peace can be established without resolving the Kashmir Issue. No body in the international arena give 2 hoots about Kashmir, India will always hold the cards. Pakistan needs to let Kashmir go for their own betterment, once they let Kashmir go they can concentrate on building their economy and work on normalizing relations with India.

Pakistan needs to swallow its pride and realize,India is too strong, they also have international support, while Pakistan may get placed on the international terror watch list which will have alarming consequences for the future of the country, Kashmir is driving Pakistan into the ground.......

Lols, what a solution you have come up with here, clap clap clap, and one more clap.

The only thing you have done in this post is bragging about how big and strong India are and on same time rediculed Pakistan. Solutions are not presented in this manner.

 

[barah_admi]

IMO it's never getting solved because the elites of both sides benefit from it tremendously . Here is my understanding of the situation :


Pakistani Military Establishment uses Kashmir and therefore India as a scarecrow to keep itself relevant and by default rule the country .

Indian Political establishment uses Pakistan to scare its public and have someone to blame their incompetence on . It is used as a distraction to keep people from focusing on real issues like corruption and incompetence.

Yet another assumption based not on fact, but opinion. Pakistan has time and time again, tried to negotiate on the matter and hold a referendum across Kashmir, India has opposed it and any sort of UN intervention. Can you tell me which fact backs up your assumption that Pakistan is just as responsible on this issue as India?

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Yet another assumption based not on fact, but opinion. Pakistan has time and time again, tried to negotiate on the matter and hold a referendum across Kashmir, India has opposed it and any sort of UN intervention. Can you tell me which fact backs up your assumption that Pakistan is just as responsible on this issue as India?

Kargil

 

[Mrhandsome]

IMO it's never getting solved because the elites of both sides benefit from it tremendously . Here is my understanding of the situation :


Pakistani Military Establishment uses Kashmir and therefore India as a scarecrow to keep itself relevant and by default rule the country .

Indian Political establishment uses Pakistan to scare its public and have someone to blame their incompetence on . It is used as a distraction to keep people from focusing on real issues like corruption and incompetence.

If naivety were an art, you would be the Picasso of it. Or perhaps you just have an agenda. Kashmir is a struggle which has been showered with the blood of the martyrs, tears of mothers and prayers of millions. Kashmir will get its freedom like every occupied nation has in the history.

 

[WildSwing]

India-Pakistan issues won't be resolved even if kashmir is resolved. But yeah without resolving kashmir no progress will be made. India's stand is clear, we have kashmir and we won't give it up, it is up to the pakistani establishment to decide whether they want to continue fighting this futile battle with India or do something productive

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

If naivety were an art, you would be the Picasso of it. Or perhaps you just have an agenda. Kashmir is a struggle which has been showered with the blood of the martyrs, tears of mothers and prayers of millions. Kashmir will get its freedom like every occupied nation has in the history.

cracked me up !

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Massive clashes today in Shopian, Srinagar and Sopore between Indian occupying forces and Kashmiri civilians.

My understand is that a dozen Kashmiris in Shopian have been murdered and a hundred at least have received pellet injuries.

There’s a protest in Srinagar about this with a man wearing a Pakistan flag as a mask.

The world stands by and ignores it though
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] what’s the latest?

 

[jeetu]

People here can dream what they like , India at present is too strong to give Kashmir to Pakistan. There is no chance of status quo will change atleast next couple of decades or even centuries.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lols, what a solution you have come up with here, clap clap clap, and one more clap.

The only thing you have done in this post is bragging about how big and strong India are and on same time rediculed Pakistan. Solutions are not presented in this manner.

I say it like it is, a spade is a spade. No one gives a damn about Kashmiri's in the international arena, Pakistan is in a mess. Since independence Pakistan has achieved nothing meaningful, reality is harsh, you can perceive what I am saying as ridicule but that is not my intention, especially when responding in a thread created by MIGGY who I have tremendous amount of respect for........... Yeah if you are absolutely determined to keep Pakistan the way it is, keep calling for Kashmir which will ensure Pakistan will go the way it is currently going: No Where.....

 

[Madplayer]

Massive clashes today in Shopian, Srinagar and Sopore between Indian occupying forces and Kashmiri civilians.

My understand is that a dozen Kashmiris in Shopian have been murdered and a hundred at least have received pellet injuries.

There’s a protest in Srinagar about this with a man wearing a Pakistan flag as a mask.

The world stands by and ignores it though

[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] what’s the latest?

8 militants and 1 civilian have been killed. The Indian army has blasted residential houses of people where they allege these militants were staying. Another 4 militants are trapped in one of the areas. More than 2 dozen injured in the initial protests. At least 10-15 hit with pellets in their eyes. Mobile internet service has been suspended (at least for pre-paid users). A valley wide shutdown has been called for tomorrow.

I had gone to a friend's house at around 10 am today and had no clue about this news. When i headed back home at around 1, everything was shut down and i could see some ambulances rushing towards the hospital which were more than what one would see normally.

Things might escalate beyong control in the next few days. Winter has left but there might be a big storm coming with hearing of the constitutional validity of article 35 A (deals with who can buy land in Kashmir) scheduled on 9th April. If anything is done to change its current structure, you can expect a very hot summer.

 

[rhony]

It's simple. Pakistan and India don't need each other. There's a stalemate and people have been living this way for decades. Kashmir issue will never be resolved because of water resources. The world powers in UNSC including US are in decline and don't have that big a say these days. They can't enforce anything. India will continue to grow at breathneck pace and the next Super power China will support Pakistan's growth but couldn't care less about Kashmir. Better ties or not, it doesn't matter much to both countries either way.

 

[English August]

8 militants and 1 civilian have been killed.

Can we use more accurate language? 8 *terrorists* were killed.

In fact the latest number is 12. This is a good thing.

Sadly 3 members of the Indian security forces were martyred too.

 

[Pakistanian]

Can we use more accurate language? 8 *terrorists* were killed.

In fact the latest number is 12. This is a good thing.

Sadly 3 members of the Indian security forces were martyred too.

Militants mean the same as terrorists.

 

[Pakistanian]

8 militants and 1 civilian have been killed. The Indian army has blasted residential houses of people where they allege these militants were staying. Another 4 militants are trapped in one of the areas. More than 2 dozen injured in the initial protests. At least 10-15 hit with pellets in their eyes. Mobile internet service has been suspended (at least for pre-paid users). A valley wide shutdown has been called for tomorrow.

I had gone to a friend's house at around 10 am today and had no clue about this news. When i headed back home at around 1, everything was shut down and i could see some ambulances rushing towards the hospital which were more than what one would see normally.

Things might escalate beyong control in the next few days. Winter has left but there might be a big storm coming with hearing of the constitutional validity of article 35 A (deals with who can buy land in Kashmir) scheduled on 9th April. If anything is done to change its current structure, you can expect a very hot summer.

Bruh I'm pretty sure you're a proud kashmiri but i don't get why you're calling your people militants. Rebels is more accurate.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Bruh I'm pretty sure you're a proud kashmiri but i don't get why you're calling your people militants. Rebels is more accurate.

The term is interchangeable.

Ps I repeat that the major sentiment in Kashmir is pro-Pakistan. I have read sources that India have fired a chemical weapon in Kashmir valley.

I really think Pakistan have to stop this massacre by crossing the LoC. The time is now surely? Now or never

 

[English August]

The term is interchangeable.

Ps I repeat that the major sentiment in Kashmir is pro-Pakistan. I have read sources that India have fired a chemical weapon in Kashmir valley.

I really think Pakistan have to stop this massacre by crossing the LoC. The time is now surely? Now or never ������

The last time Pak 'army' entered into a battle with India, they didn't even have the guts to accept bodies of their dead soldiers. You really think Pakistanis cares about Kashmiris? General public in Pakistan is more interested in getting visa to UK, US, Canada and Dubai, than care about Kashmir. The sooner you realize that India is the only friend you have, the better for you.

 

[Kashmirilion]

The last time Pak 'army' entered into a battle with India, they didn't even have the guts to accept bodies of their dead soldiers. You really think Pakistanis cares about Kashmiris? General public in Pakistan is more interested in getting visa to UK, US, Canada and Dubai, than care about Kashmir. The sooner you realize that India is the only friend you have, the better for you.

India is the only friend?? Hahahaha LOL

 

[TM Riddle]

The term is interchangeable.

Ps I repeat that the major sentiment in Kashmir is pro-Pakistan. I have read sources that India have fired a chemical weapon in Kashmir valley.

I really think Pakistan have to stop this massacre by crossing the LoC. The time is now surely? Now or never

This takes the cake.

 

[jeetu]

The term is interchangeable.

Ps I repeat that the major sentiment in Kashmir is pro-Pakistan. I have read sources that India have fired a chemical weapon in Kashmir valley.

I really think Pakistan have to stop this massacre by crossing the LoC. The time is now surely? Now or never ������

You want India and Pakistan to go Nuclear ? That is a realistic scenario , if one side officially crosses other. I doubt anyone living permanently in India or Pakistan would want to risk that scenario.

 

[English August]

India is the only friend?? Hahahaha LOL

You can LOL all you want. Could you provide a list of things Pakistan is doing to help the Kashmiris? Your PM talks about it each year at the UNGA (to empty halls I might add -- even those who are in the hall are generally seen napping!) and gets laughed at.

Rest of you are enjoying your life at US, UK, Canada. So what exactly are you doing for your Kashmiri brothers?

 

[Kashmirilion]

We might not be doing alot but we definitely are not murdering them either. But no India is a the only friend we have right??

 

[English August]

We might not be doing alot but we definitely are not murdering them either. But no India is a the only friend we have right??

India is spending millions of $ on driving development in J&K. As a state, J&K get higher proportion of development funds from the central government than other states in the union.

Instead of taking advantage of that and getting ahead in life, all we see is whining. If people see jannat somewhere else, they can go there. Is anyone stopping them?