Is it fair to say that if the partition of India had not happened in 1947, it would have eventually become the most powerful nation of the 21st centur

[Bhaijaan]

If the partition of Bharat in 1947 had not occurred, the combined population of the region would have exceeded 1.9 billion by 2024, making it the largest population base globally.

The original Mahabharat’s Bharat GDP could have been close to 80-90 trillion dollars by end of the 21st century. Even if you go by Goldman Sachs’s prediction the combined GDP of the countries that emerged from the partition could by in excess of 70 trillion dollars by 2075. If the region had stayed intact the original Mahabharat could have benefitted immensely from improved efficiency and management/deployment of resources.

World's biggest economies by 2075, projected by Goldman Sachs:

China: $57 trillion
India: $52.5 trillion
United States: $51.5 trillion
Indonesia: $13.7 trillion
Nigeria: $13.1 trillion
Pakistan: $12.3 trillion
Egypt: $10.4 trillion
Brazil: $8.7 trillion
Germany: $8.1 trillion
Mexico: $7.6 trillion
UK: $7.6 trillion
Japan: $7.5 trillion
Russia: $6.9 trillion
Philippines: $6.6 trillion
France: $6.5 trillion
Bangladesh: $6.3 trillion

The region’s combined natural resources, including coal, minerals, and arable land, would have placed it among the top resource-rich nations. For example, Pakistan’s natural gas reserves combined with Bharat’s technology-driven energy policies could have made Mahabharat a global energy hub. Bangladesh’s textile industry and Bharat’s IT and pharmaceutical sectors could have propelled exports to unprecedented levels, accounting for 30-35% of global trade.

Additionally, avoiding the direct and indirect costs of partition—estimated to be in the range of 10-15% of cumulative GDP—along with reduced military expenditures (potential savings of 2-3% of GDP annually from avoiding inter-regional conflicts) could have resulted in a more prosperous, stable region.

It is fair to say that a non-partitioned Mahabharat would likely have become not only the largest GDP but also the strongest and most prosperous nation, shaping the 21st century as a global leader.

Even a partitioned Bharat is sitting comfortably at #2 in 2075 as per predictions and could even replace China in the distant future as #1 but if the region had stayed intact, the original Mahabharat would have been a power never to be contested ever. It would have been by far the greatest power on Earth.

 

[Hikaru]

Those extra 18 trillion arent worth the threat to Sanatan Bhaijaan. Its always Dharma over money for me.

"धनानि धर्माय नापसर्पन्ति धर्मो हि धनस्य कारणम्।"

Wealth only serves a purpose when aligned with Dharma. Its the only purpose.

 

[Vikram1989]

I dont think its going to be a good option. As u can see already there are multiple factions and issues in pak & bng, we dont want a disjoint, disoriented system. Whatever we have it's working and atelast going in one direction albeit slowly.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Partition was the best thing to have ever happened to Indian subcontinent.

With 50% Hindus and 50% Muslims in a large country like India, we would be seeing daily riots. Communities will start banding together for support and security creating millions of ghettos and no go zones.

Thank you Jinnah for not listening to Gandhi and his woke gang.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Partition was the best thing to have ever happened to Indian subcontinent.

With 50% Hindus and 50% Muslims in a large country like India, we would be seeing daily riots. Communities will start banding together for support and security creating millions of ghettos and no go zones.

Thank you Jinnah for not listening to Gandhi and his woke gang.

I'll maintain that Jinnah's action had the long term effect of helping India and Hindus.

Unintentionally, from a strategic perspective he did more for India and hindus than Gandhi and Nehru

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Whatever happens I wouldn't trade some GDP for GDP(ee).

 

[Varun]

We would have bordered Afghanistan and Myanmar lol

 

[Hitman]

I’m pretty sure my parents would have had to move outside India.

 

[Bhaijaan]

We would have bordered Afghanistan and Myanmar lol

Both of whom I guess would have been better nations. The prosperity and stability of Mahabharat would spread to neighbouring nations.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We would have been a **** hole of sectarian violence , jehadi tendencies, lack of education and all in all worse than sub saharan Africa. The best thing that happened to India was partition

The real partition in India happened in 2014 between rational citizens and andhbhakhts. Before that, it was tough to distinguish fools from the sensible, but now it's crystal clear.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Partition was the best thing to have ever happened to Indian subcontinent.

With 50% Hindus and 50% Muslims in a large country like India, we would be seeing daily riots. Communities will start banding together for support and security creating millions of ghettos and no go zones.

Thank you Jinnah for not listening to Gandhi and his woke gang.

An alternative view would be with 50% Hindus and 50% Muslims, no one side would have any great advantage in communal riots. These tend to take place only when one side feels it has a massive advantage.

How likely are you to torch a rival neighbourhood if you know the other side can do the same to you?

 

[ElRaja]

no, adding two smaller third world countries to one giant third world country wouldnt make a difference. desi countries dont have the organisation to match chinese, let alone european super powers. maybe in the 22nd century.

a far more interesting alternate history question would be whether any of the nation states of the indian subcontinent which had existed prior to british conquest had the economic, educational and administrative expertise to become a developed nation had the subcontinent not been divided into three countries.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Please delete this thread. I created it when i had love in my heart. Now i have buried those feelings in the deepest chambers of my dark side and have embraced the doctrine of mutually assured destruction.

 

[guard]

Those extra 18 trillion arent worth the threat to Sanatan Bhaijaan. Its always Dharma over money for me.

"धनानि धर्माय नापसर्पन्ति धर्मो हि धनस्य कारणम्।"

Wealth only serves a purpose when aligned with Dharma. Its the only purpose.

Yet still flocking to Gulf countries..

 

[guard]

Please delete this thread. I created it when i had love in my heart. Now i have buried those feelings in the deepest chambers of my dark side and have embraced the doctrine of mutually assured destruction.

Exit left…. Mind your head on the way out

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We would have bordered Afghanistan and Myanmar lol

Finally someone gets it. Pakistan has been the buffer state for India all along. This is a drum I have been banging for years on PP, I think many Indian posters know it deep down, but are too ashamed to admit it.

 

[uppercut]

The real partition in India happened in 2014 between rational citizens and andhbhakhts. Before that, it was tough to distinguish fools from the sensible, but now it's crystal clear.

I think you mean .... between MadrassaChhaaps like you and the rest ... No ?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think you mean .... between MadrassaChhaaps like you and the rest ... No ?

Nope. I meant the difference between literates like me and gobar-chaaps like you. Samjha kuch khotey?

 

[Suleiman]

Please delete this thread. I created it when i had love in my heart. Now i have buried those feelings in the deepest chambers of my dark side and have embraced the doctrine of mutually assured destruction.

Bhaijaan out of all the Indian posters here I have a lot of sympathy for you even in this new dark knight character arc / heel turn of yours.

I understand you feel betrayed and I think a large part of it is due to some misunderstandings despite our differing views on many topics.

But the main reason is due to the trash talking that was taking place during war time in May? Isn’t that right?

You have to understand, just like you feel betrayed plenty of your Pakistani South Asian brothers here felt the same when we extended gestures and statements of solidarity as to what happened in Pahalgam and were on board in delivering swift justice to the cruel and evil men who conducted such heinous acts.

However, as soon as the first strike of operation Sindoor was conducted and we got very graphic images of a woman and child with serious injuries being rushed to the hospital as a result of those injuries, many Indians on here were cheering and in jubilation and when confronted said “well these things happen in war” some throwing in emojis as well.

When myself and many others even then in retaliation were saying if we strike back to only target those willing to fight and not innocent civilians. You yourself early on in the conflict posted how we, the Pakistani posters, were handling it maturely.

However as the conflict raged on, then ofc we had to put aside diplomatic statements and engage in verbal retort ourselves with the same aggression and zeal for innocent Muslim blood being spilled.

Obviously some of us still felt heated even after the ceasefire because we weren’t shown the courtesy when we were showing solidarity during Pahalgam, despite not being shown the same solidarity in the Jaffar express attack, and instead noticing pathetic troll attempts from some of our parosis back then instead.

So there’s no reason to kill the love in your heart. I think you’re a good man and the city needs you to come back to sharing love and peace. There were hurt feelings on both sides, now it’s time to come back together. I appreciate you wishing us Eid Mubarak on our day of celebration as well.

Take care.

 

[sweep_shot]

If partition didn't happen in 1947, we might have had a partition in the future anyway.

Anyway, I am glad partition happened. Can you imagine sharing a country with the sanghis? That could've been a nightmare.

 

[uppercut]

Nope. I meant the difference between literates like me and gobar-chaaps like you. Samjha kuch khotey?

But you are not only madrasa chhaap but you have a masters degree in gutter chaap giri with specialization in toxic sewage .... so therefore its quite natural that 99.99 % of Indians will be different from you which is absolutely normal.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

But you are not only madrasa chhaap but you have a masters degree in gutter chaap giri with specialization in toxic sewage .... so therefore its quite natural that 99.99 % of Indians will be different from you which is absolutely normal.

Yawn. Same old boring lines. Try something original for once. I know your vocabulary is limited and forming proper sentences is a struggle, but at least put in some effort to sound fresh. I would rather stare at the following picture for hours than waste a minute on your poorly written posts.

 

[KB]

It is of course impossible to be sure what would have happened if a United India had emerged instead of a partitioned one.

But had a United India emerged we can be reasonably sure that its political form would have been very different. In the end the Congress preferred partition to a union because it enabled them to capture and maintain a strong centre. It was clear that by the 1940s the price of an undivided India would have been a federation with power vesting with provincial units and a weak centre or something close to a confederation - an Indian Union composed of a ‘Hindustan’ and a ‘Pakistan’. The Muslim League simply would not have accepted a unitary India with a strong centre.

Some historians believe that Jinnah’s real aim was in fact to achieve something approximating a confederation. (In the memorable sentence from Perry Anderson: “So while the League talked of partition, Jinnah contemplated confederation; while Congress spoke of union, Nehru prepared for scission.” The argument owes it debt to the scholarship of Ayesha Jalal, especially her book, The Sole Spokesman.)

The Cabinet Mission plan of 1946 proposed a United India with a three-tiered structure, comprising a government at the centre limited to defence, foreign affairs and communication. At the second tier provinces would be grouped into three sections, Hindu-majority provinces; Muslim-majority provinces in the north-west; Muslim majority provinces in the east. In the third tier were the individual provinces that would exercise any residuary powers.

Jinnah famously accepted the proposals. It was Nehru who scuppered it. Nehru and the Congress had their reasons of course. They feared balkanisation and they needed a strong centre to ensure princely rulers could be ushered or strong-armed into its fold. Nehru also wanted to implement his socialist agenda which necessitated a powerful centre. Finally, the Congress understood that by accepting partition they were disencumbering themselves of the troublesome Muslim League and as such in the words of Joya Chatterji, India could inherit a strong centre “without weightages, reservations and other such devices.”

Let us suppose that in an alternate universe that the Congress put aside its concerns and the Cabinet Mission Plan succeeded and a United India emerged. Would it have lasted? There is no inevitability either way - it would have depended on the actions of individuals. If it lasted, what would have been the consequences? Punjab and Bengal would have been much stronger provinces and would have exercised much greater influence. It is hard to imagine the Nehru dynasty being so powerful in such a universe. Harder still to imagine Nehru’s economic thinking being so dominant in a state with a weak centre.

 

[ElRaja]

Bhaijaan out of all the Indian posters here I have a lot of sympathy for you even in this new dark knight character arc / heel turn of yours.

I understand you feel betrayed and I think a large part of it is due to some misunderstandings despite our differing views on many topics.

But the main reason is due to the trash talking that was taking place during war time in May? Isn’t that right?

You have to understand, just like you feel betrayed plenty of your Pakistani South Asian brothers here felt the same when we extended gestures and statements of solidarity as to what happened in Pahalgam and were on board in delivering swift justice to the cruel and evil men who conducted such heinous acts

lets call a spade a spade, the vast majority of indian posters parrot the party line when it comes to anything related to Pakistan-India conflicts. What do they expect pakistani posters to do, there is a time and place for nuanced discussions, but unfortunately, most indian posters make it impossible.

This is one of the few online forums where Pakistanis can get their view across; otherwise, nearly all major social media are drowned in the shrills and cries of indian propaganda, which is unashamedly and openly anti-Pakistani, not just against the country, but against Pakistani people esepcially since the official indian government dog whistle that all Pakistanis are terrorist sympathisers.

I will happily have nuanced and open discussions on other topics with the Indian members here, but it's impossible on these current issues, cos otherwise this website will become another extension of indian propaganda.

 

[Suleiman]

lets call a spade a spade, the vast majority of indian posters parrot the party line when it comes to anything related to Pakistan-India conflicts. What do they expect pakistani posters to do, there is a time and place for nuanced discussions, but unfortunately, most indian posters make it impossible.

This is one of the few online forums where Pakistanis can get their view across; otherwise, nearly all major social media are drowned in the shrills and cries of indian propaganda, which is unashamedly and openly anti-Pakistani, not just against the country, but against Pakistani people esepcially since the official indian government dog whistle that all Pakistanis are terrorist sympathisers.

I will happily have nuanced and open discussions on other topics with the Indian members here, but it's impossible on these current issues, cos otherwise this website will become another extension of indian propaganda.

Oh for sure, no arguments there. You’ve seen my posts, you know against those who have nothing but hatred to spew for years and months and after getting banned, create new accounts to continue their hatred, I will be brutal with them and fire back.

However there are also Indian users who have a good heart and are just hurt from war and it’s important to let them know that the Pakistani people feel the same emotions of betrayal and frustration as well. It’s important for people of both countries to have respectful dialogue to break the noise of propaganda fueled channels, which now social media is a part of.

Perhaps this will be a way of dawah as well because for me Islam is always the priority, above nationalism, and we as Muslims are taught to be peaceful during times of peace and have treaties and understanding as per the example of Rasullulah PBUH, but during war time, it’s go-time. Islam is about balance, and for me it’s important to practice that in conduct to differentiate away from the misguided violent extremists who the Prophet PBUH himself spoke against harshly, and those who are just Muslim by name and are otherwise “liberal”.

 

[emranabbas]

Partition was the best thing to have ever happened to Indian subcontinent.

With 50% Hindus and 50% Muslims in a large country like India, we would be seeing daily riots. Communities will start banding together for support and security creating millions of ghettos and no go zones.

Thank you Jinnah for not listening to Gandhi and his woke gang.

better to have another partition and get rid of the remaining 14% too

 

[uppercut]

Yawn. Same old boring lines. Try something original for once. I know your vocabulary is limited and forming proper sentences is a struggle, but at least put in some effort to sound fresh. I would rather stare at the following picture for hours than waste a minute on your poorly written posts.

Teri aukaat ki hisaab sey response milega.

 

[uppercut]

lets call a spade a spade, the vast majority of indian posters parrot the party line when it comes to anything related to Pakistan-India conflicts. What do they expect pakistani posters to do, there is a time and place for nuanced discussions, but unfortunately, most indian posters make it impossible.

This is one of the few online forums where Pakistanis can get their view across; otherwise, nearly all major social media are drowned in the shrills and cries of indian propaganda, which is unashamedly and openly anti-Pakistani, not just against the country, but against Pakistani people esepcially since the official indian government dog whistle that all Pakistanis are terrorist sympathisers.

I will happily have nuanced and open discussions on other topics with the Indian members here, but it's impossible on these current issues, cos otherwise this website will become another extension of indian propaganda.

I will give you a nuanced and fact based yet respectful debate. Pick any difficult topic. Just don't expect politically correct responses.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bhaijaan out of all the Indian posters here I have a lot of sympathy for you even in this new dark knight character arc / heel turn of yours.

I understand you feel betrayed and I think a large part of it is due to some misunderstandings despite our differing views on many topics.

But the main reason is due to the trash talking that was taking place during war time in May? Isn’t that right?

You have to understand, just like you feel betrayed plenty of your Pakistani South Asian brothers here felt the same when we extended gestures and statements of solidarity as to what happened in Pahalgam and were on board in delivering swift justice to the cruel and evil men who conducted such heinous acts.

However, as soon as the first strike of operation Sindoor was conducted and we got very graphic images of a woman and child with serious injuries being rushed to the hospital as a result of those injuries, many Indians on here were cheering and in jubilation and when confronted said “well these things happen in war” some throwing in emojis as well.

When myself and many others even then in retaliation were saying if we strike back to only target those willing to fight and not innocent civilians. You yourself early on in the conflict posted how we, the Pakistani posters, were handling it maturely.

However as the conflict raged on, then ofc we had to put aside diplomatic statements and engage in verbal retort ourselves with the same aggression and zeal for innocent Muslim blood being spilled.

Obviously some of us still felt heated even after the ceasefire because we weren’t shown the courtesy when we were showing solidarity during Pahalgam, despite not being shown the same solidarity in the Jaffar express attack, and instead noticing pathetic troll attempts from some of our parosis back then instead.

So there’s no reason to kill the love in your heart. I think you’re a good man and the city needs you to come back to sharing love and peace. There were hurt feelings on both sides, now it’s time to come back together. I appreciate you wishing us Eid Mubarak on our day of celebration as well.

Take care.

Dear Suleiman bhai,
I will always remember you and your family in my prayers.

Thank you for your kind words. It means a lot to me.

 

[Greenstorm]

Partition of India was inevitable. Muslims of subcontinent aren't going anywhere and neither is hindutva hatred for them.

 

[guard]

lets call a spade a spade, the vast majority of indian posters parrot the party line when it comes to anything related to Pakistan-India conflicts. What do they expect pakistani posters to do, there is a time and place for nuanced discussions, but unfortunately, most indian posters make it impossible.

This is one of the few online forums where Pakistanis can get their view across; otherwise, nearly all major social media are drowned in the shrills and cries of indian propaganda, which is unashamedly and openly anti-Pakistani, not just against the country, but against Pakistani people esepcially since the official indian government dog whistle that all Pakistanis are terrorist sympathisers.

I will happily have nuanced and open discussions on other topics with the Indian members here, but it's impossible on these current issues, cos otherwise this website will become another extension of indian propaganda.

 

[guard]

better to have another partition and get rid of the remaining 14% too

Its inevitable..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

better to have another partition and get rid of the remaining 14% too

Yes it is inevitable.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

lets call a spade a spade, the vast majority of indian posters parrot the party line when it comes to anything related to Pakistan-India conflicts. What do they expect pakistani posters to do, there is a time and place for nuanced discussions, but unfortunately, most indian posters make it impossible.

This is one of the few online forums where Pakistanis can get their view across; otherwise, nearly all major social media are drowned in the shrills and cries of indian propaganda, which is unashamedly and openly anti-Pakistani, not just against the country, but against Pakistani people esepcially since the official indian government dog whistle that all Pakistanis are terrorist sympathisers.

I will happily have nuanced and open discussions on other topics with the Indian members here, but it's impossible on these current issues, cos otherwise this website will become another extension of indian propaganda.

You are not going to get much genuine debate with posters who are here to defend their flag above all else. But it is a worthwhile process anyway just to explore some of the ideas put forward. @Champ_Pal professed for example that a country where you have a 50/50 split between different communities would lead to daily riots is something worth looking at. I am not convinced that would be the case for reasons I laid out earlier.

 

[Rajdeep]

Partition was the best thing to have happened in Indian sub continent. In this matter, we right wing Indians and Pakistanis united in applauding Jinnah. Only liberal Indians and Pak premis living in India find the partition wrong. They dont want to live with us and we want to do nothing with them, so partition was only inevitable.

However, the way partition happened was unfair and entire blame of it lies with Gandhi/Nehru where a separate land was given to muslims and Hindu majority India was forced to stay secular. A total population swap in 1947 and we will not be having any issues we see today.

 

[speed]

It was the best thing to have happened.

 

[ElRaja]

Partition was the best thing to have happened in Indian sub continent. In this matter, we right wing Indians and Pakistanis united in applauding Jinnah. Only liberal Indians and Pak premis living in India find the partition wrong. They dont want to live with us and we want to do nothing with them, so partition was only inevitable.

However, the way partition happened was unfair and entire blame of it lies with Gandhi/Nehru where a separate land was given to muslims and Hindu majority India was forced to stay secular. A total population swap in 1947 and we will not be having any issues we see today.

if we are playing alternate history, then how would a total population swap have worked, i tend to agree this probably would have made more sense, but in practise it may have taken decades to do. practically the only issue was that the guy who was tasked with making the borders didnt have a clue of what he was doing, ironically the partitioned provinces which were forced to have a population swap ended up being far more stable in communal and ethnic terms., so that shows the cost of the swaps was probably eventually worth it.

 

[ElRaja]

You are not going to get much genuine debate with posters who are here to defend their flag above all else. But it is a worthwhile process anyway just to explore some of the ideas put forward. @Champ_Pal professed for example that a country where you have a 50/50 split between different communities would lead to daily riots is something worth looking at. I am not convinced that would be the case for reasons I laid out earlier.

it works, kinda, in nigeria, but those are still primarily abrahamic religiosn, dont know how it would have worked with an abrahamic and pagan religion.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Regardless of whether it was the right thing or not, I wonder if anyone would disagree it was done in the most brutally ignorant way possible. The British just ran away, the political leadership who had ignited the fire of division did nothing to stop riots, millions of people forced to leave all they had overnight, violent clashes leading to deaths of so many. The worst mass migration event in history.

 

[deltexas]

A lot of Ind posters will disagree with me , but Ind going secular was the best decision. Not at all easy but whoever said tough decisions are easy ? And being secular means , all laws have to be applied "equally" . No "appeasement" to "any" religion. UCC should be law. Never want Ind to be a Hindu state bcos once you go down the religious barrel, you have seen what happens with neighbors Pak and Ban being shining examples of that. A secular democratic country with no appeasement

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A lot of Ind posters will disagree with me , but Ind going secular was the best decision. Not at all easy but whoever said tough decisions are easy ? And being secular means , all laws have to be applied "equally" . No "appeasement" to "any" religion. UCC should be law. Never want Ind to be a Hindu state bcos once you go down the religious barrel, you have seen what happens with neighbors Pak and Ban being shining examples of that. A secular democratic country with no appeasement

The reason India is going down the religious route is precisely because of partition which means that on both sides of the border religious definitions become easier to to enshrine. Ironically the best defence against this is to have a more diverse mixture where one can't dominate the other so easily, hence secular rule becomes the easier to implement.

Whether that is a good or bad thing I am willing to debate if anyone wants to take it up.

 

[Boyka]

lets call a spade a spade, the vast majority of indian posters parrot the party line when it comes to anything related to Pakistan-India conflicts. What do they expect pakistani posters to do, there is a time and place for nuanced discussions, but unfortunately, most indian posters make it impossible.

This is one of the few online forums where Pakistanis can get their view across; otherwise, nearly all major social media are drowned in the shrills and cries of indian propaganda, which is unashamedly and openly anti-Pakistani, not just against the country, but against Pakistani people esepcially since the official indian government dog whistle that all Pakistanis are terrorist sympathisers.

I will happily have nuanced and open discussions on other topics with the Indian members here, but it's impossible on these current issues, cos otherwise this website will become another extension of indian propaganda.

Yes, it’s not worth wasting time with propagandists. I’m surprised that some of these guys are even allowed in here and have not been banned. It’s like they’re paid to spread nonsense.

At the moment every corner of the internet is infested with Zionist, Indian, low brow, right wing talking points. They have about three arguments in total.

We shouldn’t engage, rather shut down bad faith actors.

 

[sweep_shot]

lets call a spade a spade, the vast majority of indian posters parrot the party line when it comes to anything related to Pakistan-India conflicts. What do they expect pakistani posters to do, there is a time and place for nuanced discussions, but unfortunately, most indian posters make it impossible.

This is one of the few online forums where Pakistanis can get their view across; otherwise, nearly all major social media are drowned in the shrills and cries of indian propaganda, which is unashamedly and openly anti-Pakistani, not just against the country, but against Pakistani people esepcially since the official indian government dog whistle that all Pakistanis are terrorist sympathisers.

I will happily have nuanced and open discussions on other topics with the Indian members here, but it's impossible on these current issues, cos otherwise this website will become another extension of indian propaganda.

I don't understand why they can't stay in their echo chambers. They try to import their nonsense to non-Indian platforms.

Quite absurd.