Is it time that the ICC tested Jasprit Bumrah’s action?

[Bewal Express]

If Indian bowlers get reported and pass the test, the same people will then argue that the results were forged because of BCCI power.

These people will only be satisfied if Indian bowlers are banned altogether.

Not from me. I dont believe his action is clean but if the tests prove that it is, then that should be the end of it. The only proviso is that its the same action and they release the footage from front on.

 

[Bewal Express]

I think he chucks.He should be tested.From Pakistan i think junaid khan blatantly chucks but they didn’t test him he should be tested too.

JK has a real problem with chucking when bowling around the wicket, over the wicket his action is borderline, depending on the day

 

[silentkiller187]

I wish that there is a way every time a bowler "chucks" it is found out immediately (like in the case of no-balls or LBWs) or in the post-match, without the umpires having to report the bowlers and fans to speculate. I wonder if there can be a technological solution to such a thing (like DRS).

This would be near enough impossible because normal cameras cannot detect or provide an accurate analysis of the bend in the arm. This is one of the problems with the game, because the clever bowlers will always remodify their action when they go to get tested, Professor has proved that on many occasions.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Every bowler should get tested just to make sure theirs nothing wrong with that I think it should be standard

But if your a player from India you can get away with anything since ICC is 100 percent Indian controlled

So even if Bumrah is chucking he won't get tested

Had he been a Pakistani player they would have tested him right away

You are spot on.India controls ICC.This is why India bowlers don't
get tested.

 

[bala977]

Whilst we are it, let us also check Shaheen Afridi. My friend thinks he is a chucker along with Naseem Shah.

 

[Saj]

I think all bowlers should be regularly checked, rather than picking and choosing which bowlers are checked.

 

[nextover666666]

My brother, Ajmal got away with chucking for a long long time. It was blatant.

Hafeez has been banned for chucking more times than any other cricket but shamelessly he keeps getting selected.

We shouldn't throw stones at India over this. We have had got away with chucking quite a bit.

Look when our players did and they got tested and found out they were banned from bowling and had to re-model their actions

All I am saying is that all players should be tested Bumrah might not be a chucker but he has a suspect action if he has that type of actions should be tested

If he clears the test and shows he doesn't chuck than theirs no problem but he should get tested I don't know why people get defensive about this I'm not referring to you as defensive I am referring to other posters

 

[cricketjoshila]

"Jealous"

Anyone speaking about an Indian bowler is not jealous by default.

Its a simple question that is being asked and the answer to that is a test to confirm.

If ALL international bowlers should be tested - then so be it.

Who is asking the question? Umpires? Match Referee? Commentators or other cricket experts? Who is questioning Bumrah's action?

 

[Bewal Express]

Whilst we are it, let us also check Shaheen Afridi. My friend thinks he is a chucker along with Naseem Shah.

I am happy for them to be tested if it puts your mind at rest. But looking at the fear of some posters, I think my thread has touched a RAW nerve.

 

[Bewal Express]

No umpire or match refree or commievor cricket expert has questioned Bumrah's action.

Sorry but no one is going to test a bowler because someone on a online forum opened a thread.

There is a process here thats involved.

It's hardly surprising That's because they want to work. I have made an allegation and backed it up with evidence with his arm before and after. I haven't manipulated the image at all, it needs to be answered.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think all bowlers should be regularly checked, rather than picking and choosing which bowlers are checked.

Correct me if i am wrong but the current testing protocols include superimposing the test bowling action on the bowling action taken from the footage of the match the bowler is reported, to see if the bowler is replicating match situation action or not. Only then is the carrying angle and elbow striaghtening calculated. Thats the major difference between the previous and current protocol.

So if bowlers are tested regularly, which match footage should be taken as the test case? Someone like hafeez chucks sometimes and sometimes he doesn't. There is every chance he will get away clean in a test if the match is randomly selected.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's hardly surprising That's because they want to work. I have made an allegation and backed it up with evidence with his arm before and after. I haven't manipulated the image at all, it needs to be answered.

No it doesn't need to be answered. You or me are not qualified to ask this question.

Its not surprising you think Bumrah chucks and is not getting called.

 

[StreetSmart]

His action is wired but it's fine. if he is a chucker then Parsad, Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Less, Glenn McGrath all are chuckers

 

[Bewal Express]

No it doesn't need to be answered. You or me are not qualified to ask this question.

Its not surprising you think Bumrah chucks and is not getting called.

As fans we have a right to ask these questions. The cricket fraternity is corrupt and compromised. Who is going to put their livelihood at stake?

 

[sharmaji]

Got it. But maybe in 10 years time, technology will evolve to address this issue. Being optimistic here.

This would be near enough impossible because normal cameras cannot detect or provide an accurate analysis of the bend in the arm. This is one of the problems with the game, because the clever bowlers will always remodify their action when they go to get tested, Professor has proved that on many occasions.

 

[Rana]

Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing, OP has every right to pursue the truth if that’s what he feels it is.

 

[Rajdeep]

If ICC decides that all bowlers need to be tested periodically, I have no issues. Let it be Bumrah or Shaheen....test everyone.

But I think it will be hectic protocol to test all bowlers and thats why they relies on umpires to report suspicious bowlers.

 

[Grunge101]

Bumrah has hyperextensible joints, I thought that was well known ?

Same has been said about Shaheen, I remember reading that from a number of separate sources.

Theyre both clean.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

If Bumrah is a chucker then so are Shoaib Akhtar, Shaheen Shah and Murlidharan. Being born with hyperextending arms is not a crime.

 

[Bewal Express]

Bumrah has hyperextensible joints, I thought that was well known ?

Same has been said about Shaheen, I remember reading that from a number of separate sources.

Theyre both clean.

If you are worried about Shaheen then to satisfy you and others, he should be tested. Bumrah is a chucker in my opinion and needs to be tested.

 

[Saj]

Correct me if i am wrong but the current testing protocols include superimposing the test bowling action on the bowling action taken from the footage of the match the bowler is reported, to see if the bowler is replicating match situation action or not. Only then is the carrying angle and elbow striaghtening calculated. Thats the major difference between the previous and current protocol.

So if bowlers are tested regularly, which match footage should be taken as the test case? Someone like hafeez chucks sometimes and sometimes he doesn't. There is every chance he will get away clean in a test if the match is randomly selected.

ICC earns billions, it should be up to them as stakeholders of the game to make this happen.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ICC earns billions, it should be up to them as stakeholders of the game to make this happen.

They also have to spend millions to prop up poor cricket boards.

 

[The lone Ranger]

Players like Akthar, RP singh, bumrah, Shaheen have hyperextension bowling action. It's normal in cricket.
Just because some random person on the internet think it's illegal doesn't mean players with such action should be tested. It would spoil their reputation.

 

[naseem]

I don't think it's chucking.....Ashwin too don't Chuck's....yes...kedhar is dodgy no doubt.....but Bhajji was the last spinner to Chuck from india....
But then yes ICC can test him like it did with Shoaib Murali.... It won't bcoz money n power nn family welfare is important too....

 

[pratiktc]

So if all bowlers have to be tested on order to meet our esteemed fans delicate concerns what will protocols be?

Any intl bowler before debut will have to visit and get all clear certificate from ICC testing centre?

All bowlers -whether on or off duty - to report their whereabouts ala WADA rules so that they can be randomly pulled aside to a side net with a plain clothes ICC umpire waiting with a brace and a motion camera??

ICC to setup hotlines where keen eyed fans/other players can report suspect actions or approaches by full sleeve shirt manufacturers?

Should country boards in spirit of new icc regulations and since they are custodians of the great game in their countries start policing maidans and local tennis ball tourneys to eliminate the batta boys/girls??

Please advise. We can submit detailed petition to ICC Dubai office

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Has it always been there? How do you know without a proper test.

It has always been there. You can watch videos from 2016 and many commentators, analysts have mentioned this.

 

[BreadPakoda]

If it was about just two pics Bent arms

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Gosh Shaheen's action looks very dodgy. Must be tested. But knowing ICC he won't just like Ajmal got away with chucking for years.

 

[Bewal Express]

Gosh Shaheen's action looks very dodgy. Must be tested. But knowing ICC he won't just like Ajmal got away with chucking for years.

It's interesting that you are looking for excuses to justify Bumrahs action. If SSAs action needs to be tested to ban a chucker like Bumrah, then so be it.

 

[BreadPakoda]

It's interesting that you are looking for excuses to justify Bumrahs action. If SSAs action needs to be tested to ban a chucker like Bumrah, then so be it.

Why getting so insecure? I just said Shaheen should be tested. Shades of Shabbir Ahmed.

 

[Bewal Express]

Why getting so insecure? I just said Shaheen should be tested. Shades of Shabbir Ahmed.

I agree, lets have him tested. Its you thats sounds fearful. If SSA doesn't have a clean action he needs to be banned. But Bumrah needs to be tested.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I agree, lets have him tested. Its you thats sounds fearful. If SSA doesn't have a clean action he needs to be banned. But Bumrah needs to be tested.

Agree. Need to test chucker Naseem Shah as well. Let's hope he gets banned. Hope he doesn't have a comical comeback like Ajmal though.

 

[Bewal Express]

Agree. Need to test chucker Naseem Shah as well. Let's hope he gets banned. Hope he doesn't have a comical comeback like Ajmal though.

Why not? If you feel he chucks then what is to be lost on checking him. And ban him if he chicks. I think you will agree Bumrah needs to be tested.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Why not? If you feel he chucks then what is to be lost on checking him. And ban him if he chicks. I think you will agree Bumrah needs to be tested.

Each and every player that any one has doubt over needs to be tested. I've voiced out my opinion on Shaheen and Naseem. You've done the same for Bumrah.

Ball is in ICC's court now.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Lot of nonsense posts on this thread

Lets evaluate why it’s nonsense

1) Now-a-days with ever growing technology lot of support staff from each team have access to high definition videos with ultra slow-motion with various angles. If Bumrah was indeed chucking or even had suspicious action, I’m sure one of the management team would’ve raised an issue to match referee/on field-umpires/ICC. Since, we haven’t heard any such concerns, it only implies none of the professionals have had any genuine concerns.

2) To all those saying, what’s the harm in getting tested. Well there may not be any harm but it is definitely going to cost fortune to ICC if they start testing every bowlers. ICC already struggling financially due to ICC event being cancelled, last thing they would want is to spend unnecessary cash on test that wasn’t even required to begin with.

3) it’s an hyper-extension and not bending arm/chucking.

 

[Bewal Express]

Each and every player that any one has doubt over needs to be tested. I've voiced out my opinion on Shaheen and Naseem. You've done the same for Bumrah.

Ball is in ICC's court now.

Can't disagree. If you have spotted what others have missed then as a fan, you have a right to raise it.

 

[Bewal Express]

Lot of nonsense posts on this thread

Lets evaluate why it’s nonsense

1) Now-a-days with ever growing technology lot of support staff from each team have access to high definition videos with ultra slow-motion with various angles. If Bumrah was indeed chucking or even had suspicious action, I’m sure one of the management team would’ve raised an issue to match referee/on field-umpires/ICC. Since, we haven’t heard any such concerns, it only implies none of the professionals have had any genuine concerns.

2) To all those saying, what’s the harm in getting tested. Well there may not be any harm but it is definitely going to cost fortune to ICC if they start testing every bowlers. ICC already struggling financially due to ICC event being cancelled, last thing they would want is to spend unnecessary cash on test that wasn’t even required to begin with.

3) it’s an hyper-extension and not bending arm/chucking.

And you think any team will raise Bumrahs action when millions are at stake in tv money. I love your naivety.

 

[CanadianG00se]

And you think any team will raise Bumrahs action when millions are at stake in tv money. I love your naivety.

And you think PCB will back down? Didn’t they just started showing guts to BCCI not to mention Shashank Manhoar at ICC.

You’re naive in thinking Bumrah chucks when it’s clear to even naked eyes that it’s hyper-extension. But you’re welcome to live in your delusional world while rest of us acknowledge the class act that Bumrah is.

 

[tyron_woodley]

lol i would imagine the person who asks for bumrah of all people to get tested would get lynched and roasted on a spit fire for libel.

not a good idea when his action is as clean as it can get. I dont even think its possible to chuck with his action. JUst try and emulate his bowling style, its impossible because he has a braced front leg and a high arm action. Believe it or not his action actually isnt as injury prone as it looks. Its quite efficient.

 

[Ab Fan]

There is no cure for a couple of problems:-

1) Delusion
2) Victim mentality

ICC don't have enough money to resolve these issues of cricket fans. If Bumrah would had a suspicious action, he would have already been called out. But he doesn't. We do not encourage chuckers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And you think any team will raise Bumrahs action when millions are at stake in tv money. I love your naivety.

Pcb gets nothing from India. Why dont they raise questions?

 

[Bewal Express]

Pcb gets nothing from India. Why dont they raise questions?

As they don't play Ind anymore, it will look a bit silly. We know the BCCI are a mafia and any umpire or match referee will be exiled if they raise this. Remember what happened to Mike Denness, if you don't, let me refresh your mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Denness_and_Indian_cricket_team_incident

 

[Bewal Express]

And you think PCB will back down? Didn’t they just started showing guts to BCCI not to mention Shashank Manhoar at ICC.

You’re naive in thinking Bumrah chucks when it’s clear to even naked eyes that it’s hyper-extension. But you’re welcome to live in your delusional world while rest of us acknowledge the class act that Bumrah is.

Its chucking and its blatant. He needs to be tested. The hyperextension could easily be tested to satisfy the naive folks.

 

[Mesozoic]

As they don't play Ind anymore, it will look a bit silly.

Bumrah has played 7 games against Pakistan.

If other boards and officials are so scared of daddy BCCI, what's stopping PCB from exposing them as they have nothing to lose? Or you think they realised what their place was after the recent lawsuit humiliation? If yes, then fair enough.

 

[Bewal Express]

Bumrah has played 7 games against Pakistan.

If other boards and officials are so scared of daddy BCCI, what's stopping PCB from exposing them as they have nothing to lose? Or you think they realised what their place was after the recent lawsuit humiliation? If yes, then fair enough.

The facts are there for you to see like everyone else. The guy is a chucker and whether the PCB reports is there problem. As a fan I believe he is a chucker and needs to be tested, if its hyperextension then I will accept it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As they don't play Ind anymore, it will look a bit silly. We know the BCCI are a mafia and any umpire or match referee will be exiled if they raise this. Remember what happened to Mike Denness, if you don't, let me refresh your mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Denness_and_Indian_cricket_team_incident

Bumrah has played against Pakistan before and will play in ICC matches in future, so if PCB wanted they could have raised the issue.

You know little. Bhajji was reported and tested so can be Bumrah if he chucks.

Mike Denness case was taken to the tribunal and the tribunal disagreed with his certain decisions.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The facts are there for you to see like everyone else. The guy is a chucker and whether the PCB reports is there problem. As a fan I believe he is a chucker and needs to be tested, if its hyperextension then I will accept it.

What you believe isn't the whole and sole of everything. Just because some random fans believe something doesn't mean the ICC have to work on it.

There is a process in place and that process is followed for everyone. You raising questions on officials integrity is another poor attempt to play victim.

 

[Bewal Express]

What you believe isn't the whole and sole of everything. Just because some random fans believe something doesn't mean the ICC have to work on it.

There is a process in place and that process is followed for everyone. You raising questions on officials integrity is another poor attempt to play victim.

The evidence isn't random. Its a fact. The only thing that needs to be determined is whether its your explanation that's correct or my suspicion.

 

[Bewal Express]

Bumrah has played against Pakistan before and will play in ICC matches in future, so if PCB wanted they could have raised the issue.

You know little. Bhajji was reported and tested so can be Bumrah if he chucks.

Mike Denness case was taken to the tribunal and the tribunal disagreed with his certain decisions.

Whether the PCB does it or not is upto them. I don't own the PCB so I am not sure why you keep bringing the PCB into this. I see you ignored the Mike Denness affair and the BCCI bullying.

 

[Panchujeev]

Its chucking and its blatant. He needs to be tested. The hyperextension could easily be tested to satisfy the naive folks.

Sir ICC better hire you instead of spending millions on machineries and labs to testify bowlers for chucking... I am in absolute awe of your superhuman abilities...
Keep Whinning.

 

[Revolution]

Denness failed to explain his actions during press conference. He should have justified all the offences he made during the match.

Happy that BCCI withdraw the case after hearing his heart surgery.

 

[Bewal Express]

Sir ICC better hire you instead of spending millions on machineries and labs to testify bowlers for chucking... I am in absolute awe of your superhuman abilities...
Keep Whinning.

The ICC need to test him. Its a fact that his arm is bent by 30+ degrees, we just need to know why? Surely you would want to know. If you believe that is legitimate then its fine but thats just an opinion, just like mine.

 

[Space Cat]

Havent watched any recent IPL but his action has always looked super clean to me. In fact his arm is so straight his elbow hyperextends in quite an unsettling fashion i dont know how he doesnt have more injury issues.

 

[Zaz]

Who is asking the question? Umpires? Match Referee? Commentators or other cricket experts? Who is questioning Bumrah's action?

Most are compromised the only ones that would say anything are the ones not associated with the IPL the rest of them have sold their soul to the devil

All they do in the IPL is cheerlead the indian players snd what a great tournament it is without any objectivity

They arent gonna upset daddy now are they?

 

[naseem]

Most are compromised the only ones that would say anything are the ones not associated with the IPL the rest of them have sold their soul to the devil

All they do in the IPL is cheerlead the indian players snd what a great tournament it is without any objectivity

They arent gonna upset daddy now are they?

Just like KP ....WELCOME TO THE BIGGEST ACADEMY OF THE WORLD.....I can't forget it seriously man

 

[naseem]

Whilst we are it, let us also check Shaheen Afridi. My friend thinks he is a chucker along with Naseem: Shah.

Beware of ur friend......

 

[naseem]

Whilst we are it, let us also check Shaheen Afridi. My friend thinks he is a chucker along with Naseem Shah.

Yes...no problem but will u and ur Mulk and it's board will allow a unbiased test of Bumrah

 

[cricketjoshila]

Most are compromised the only ones that would say anything are the ones not associated with the IPL the rest of them have sold their soul to the devil

All they do in the IPL is cheerlead the indian players snd what a great tournament it is without any objectivity

They arent gonna upset daddy now are they?

Anyone who doesn't work according to pakistanis is compromised. Anyone who says good about India is compromised. Lol.

 

[The lone Ranger]

The ICC need to test him. Its a fact that his arm is bent by 30+ degrees, we just need to know why? Surely you would want to know. If you believe that is legitimate then its fine but thats just an opinion, just like mine.

It's a well known fact that you can't chuck with hyperextension arm which is slightly bent at the backward. It's normal in cricket. Just because you don't know a think about it, doesn't mean ICC should waste their time checking him out based on some random nobody's opinion on the internet. Now leave out your ignorance, and learn how it actually works.

 

[The lone Ranger]

Most are compromised the only ones that would say anything are the ones not associated with the IPL the rest of them have sold their soul to the devil

All they do in the IPL is cheerlead the indian players snd what a great tournament it is without any objectivity

They arent gonna upset daddy now are they?

What's stopping pcb from raising this issue?

 

[The lone Ranger]

Just like KP ....WELCOME TO THE BIGGEST ACADEMY OF THE WORLD.....I can't forget it seriously man

Had someone said the same about PSL, you wouldn't be having any problem with that just like when someone (don't remember his name) said The quality of bowling in PSL is good compared to ipl, you didn't have any problem then.

 

[Bewal Express]

It's a well known fact that you can't chuck with hyperextension arm which is slightly bent at the backward. It's normal in cricket. Just because you don't know a think about it, doesn't mean ICC should waste their time checking him out based on some random nobody's opinion on the internet. Now leave out your ignorance, and learn how it actually works.

Its not slightly bent, its very bent. You seem to be very scared that all is not well. I am sure a test will prove it one way or another.

 

[Bewal Express]

Anyone who doesn't work according to pakistanis is compromised. Anyone who says good about India is compromised. Lol.

Why did you avoid my reply on Mike Denness? Did it destroy you fantasy of the BCCI of being honest brokers. That affair proved that if you go against Ind, they will take revenge

 

[Indiafan]

Its not slightly bent, its very bent. You seem to be very scared that all is not well. I am sure a test will prove it one way or another.

We will have Bumrah tested as long as every Pakistan batsman agree to getting their and their family's bank accounts checked for match fixing. As long as we are throwing unwarranted accusations, lets make it same for all players

 

[Indiafan]

Most are compromised the only ones that would say anything are the ones not associated with the IPL the rest of them have sold their soul to the devil

All they do in the IPL is cheerlead the indian players snd what a great tournament it is without any objectivity

They arent gonna upset daddy now are they?

Every one is compromised and only jealous Pakistani fans can see the true picture here. What would we do without such honest people

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why did you avoid my reply on Mike Denness? Did it destroy you fantasy of the BCCI of being honest brokers. That affair proved that if you go against Ind, they will take revenge

I already replied. Bcci defended its players and the tribunal agreed to some of the issues that Bcci raised

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its not slightly bent, its very bent. You seem to be very scared that all is not well. I am sure a test will prove it one way or another.

Thats your opinion. Icc doesn't run on that.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I think break needs to get checked too.

 

[Bewal Express]

Thats your opinion. Icc doesn't run on that.

Well thats why I started this thread. I wrote something on rugby red cards on a forum and its been picked up world wide by newspapers and commentators. The guy needs to tested ASAP.

 

[Bewal Express]

I already replied. Bcci defended its players and the tribunal agreed to some of the issues that Bcci raised

And they decided to play a "test". So next time you ask why its not raised by Umpires and media, you know the answer.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And they decided to play a "test". So next time you ask why its not raised by Umpires and media, you know the answer.

Pakistan too disagreed with the umpires and went to the tribunal in 2006. Guess Bcci has the same rights.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well thats why I started this thread. I wrote something on rugby red cards on a forum and its been picked up world wide by newspapers and commentators. The guy needs to tested ASAP.

Which newspaper and commentator picked it up?

 

[Bewal Express]

Which newspaper and commentator picked it up?

I made a suggestion on a rugby forum a few months ago and it was picked by the Guardian newspaper in the UK and last Saturday commentators in New Zealand decided that it made sense.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...ards-to-be-ditched-after-bonkers-bledisloe-iv

 

[Bewal Express]

Pakistan too disagreed with the umpires and went to the tribunal in 2006. Guess Bcci has the same rights.

The difference was that Ind decided to bully the ICC, who for a change stood their ground. They even tried to play Sehwag against England even when he was banned.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I made a suggestion on a rugby forum a few months ago and it was picked by the Guardian newspaper in the UK and last Saturday commentators in New Zealand decided that it made sense.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...ards-to-be-ditched-after-bonkers-bledisloe-iv

So they said that it was picked from forums?

 

[Bewal Express]

So they said that it was picked from forums?

You will have just trust me. People read what I write.

 

[Smbhayi]

If he tested and cleared (which he will) then they'll say it's BCCI Money Power (some people still believe BCCI changes ball tracker line for Sachin LBW in WC QQ).. Let them cry instead..

 

[tyron_woodley]

If he tested and cleared (which he will) then they'll say it's BCCI Money Power (some people still believe BCCI changes ball tracker line for Sachin LBW in WC QQ).. Let them cry instead..

Lol if anything it's the opposite. India got robbed in 2019.

 

[Bewal Express]

If he tested and cleared (which he will) then they'll say it's BCCI Money Power (some people still believe BCCI changes ball tracker line for Sachin LBW in WC QQ).. Let them cry instead..

If he is cleared then as long its clear why, then that will be it for me. But we need a test.

 

[Mesozoic]

So if you have something, please share like i did with images of your chucker.

Did your "images" prove that Bumrah is a chucker? No. So all you're doing right now is throw baseless allegations and whine when you get the same back.

 

[wrongun]

It’s hyper-extension...

Yep. Similar to Brett Lee or Shoaib Akhtar both also very quick bowlers and had elbows that hyper extended naturally.