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Is it time that the ICC tested Jasprit Bumrah’s action?

wrongun said:
Yep. Similar to Brett Lee or Shoaib Akhtar both also very quick bowlers and had elbows that hyper extended naturally.
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So do Naseem and Shaheen.

So according to the OP every bowler with hyperextension should be tested?
 
Bewal Express said:
The difference was that Ind decided to bully the ICC, who for a change stood their ground. They even tried to play Sehwag against England even when he was banned.
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Sehwag didn't play against England

So its bullying if bcci does it, but its all ok if pakistan does it.
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
If it was about just two pics Bent arms

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How can you say if a bowler is chucking or not from still photo!!!!!

Bent arm is not chucking, it’s the straightening of the arm at elbow joint to add pace & torque which is illegal - ICC has defined it by 15 degree, means bowler can straighten the arm at elbow from the initial position up to 15 degree. There are many spinners who bowls with a bent arm say 15 degree at the point of rolling the arm up - it’s perfect as long as his arm isn’t bent more than 30 degree at the time of release, on his last delivery stride.

Every time I read on chucking, people posts two three still photos and put some straight lines to measure the angle at elbow joint. I don’t have biomechanics eyes, but looking at the bowlers fairly accurately can call who is chucking. Few years back, against SRL (Imam’s first series, forgot which year) MoHa started chucking bluntly and I called it then & then.... so PP trolls got behind me - next day umpire reported him.... it became kanspiracy.

PAK bowlers are under constant monitoring because of so many controversies in this regard and more importantly PCB kept supporting blunt chuckers, and I don’t think there is any check point in domestics, but Shaheen doesn’t Chuck, for sure.
 
Was hyperextension missing when Shoaib was called and banned twice, in 1999 and 2001? Or did it suddenly appear in 2002?

Why did he need to remodel his action if it was hyperextension?
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Was hyperextension missing when Shoaib was called and banned twice, in 1999 and 2001? Or did it suddenly appear in 2002?

Why did he need to remodel his action if it was hyperextension?
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I dont quite understand what you’re trying to say.

Shoaib used to chuck then when he remodelled his action he found a way to disable himself and develop one of the most extreme cases of hyper extension 🤪
 
ICC has not called Bumrah.

ICC did ban Akhtar and remodelled his action.
 
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Test every player before he plays international cricket.
 
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Unsubstantiated allegations of players being throwers/chuckers will not be tolerated on PP and action will be taken against users if we deem this necessary.
 
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James said:
Unsubstantiated allegations of players being throwers/chuckers will not be tolerated on PP and action will be taken against users if we deem this necessary.
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It’s not unsubstantiated if we are providing photographic evidence.
 
cricketjoshila said:
ICC has not called Bumrah.

ICC did ban Akhtar and remodelled his action.
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Is this a thread on bumrah or akhter? Stick to topic

Theres a lot of qs marks on bumrahs actions ICC can do nothing but the doubts will remain
 
Zaz said:
Is this a thread on bumrah or akhter? Stick to topic

Theres a lot of qs marks on bumrahs actions ICC can do nothing but the doubts will remain
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Lol. Who raised the question mark? Posters on PP?
 
Problem is that there are expert former cricketers who have explained the hyper extension in Bumrah's action.
 
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Hextro said:
Bumrah has such a weird action. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it turns out he's chucking.
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It doesn't surprise me one bit that no expert finds his action suspect. Some have even explained his hyper extension in detail.
 
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Its clear Bumrah is chucking. There is no smoke without fire. In todays digital age, we can see various video and phographic evidence. Only hardcore, jingoistic indian fans will deny it wheras the more reasonable ones will admit it too. Hopefully he gets called on it and banned.
 
as-95 said:
Its clear Bumrah is chucking. There is no smoke without fire. In todays digital age, we can see various video and phographic evidence. Only hardcore, jingoistic indian fans will deny it wheras the more reasonable ones will admit it too. Hopefully he gets called on it and banned.
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Its Clear you refuse to believe the experts and ex cricketers because of your bias. Just because you hope, doesn't mean he will get called and banned. :)
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its Clear you refuse to believe the experts and ex cricketers because of your bias. Just because you hope, doesn't mean he will get called and banned. :)
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Which "experts and ex cricketers"? We are not sheep that we blindly follow eXpErTs with their own agenda. God gave us a vrain to use. We can see with our own eyes from video and photo footage that he chucks. He will get called out in due time. Can see a bold, Aussie umpire standing up to the BCCI. Lets see what happens!
 
as-95 said:
Which "experts and ex cricketers"? We are not sheep that we blindly follow eXpErTs with their own agenda. God gave us a vrain to use. We can see with our own eyes from video and photo footage that he chucks. He will get called out in due time. Can see a bold, Aussie umpire standing up to the BCCI. Lets see what happens!
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I have posted the video of Damien Fleming. Commentators regularly refer to it on tv.

No one is going to call him because he ain't chucking. :)
 
All International bowlers need to be tested for actions once a year, this should be a mandate and strictly enforced by the boards under the ICC's supervision. This avoids all controversies and talks about cheating voluntarily. Actions get degraded over time and a lot of it may go unnoticed if the bowler is taking wickets and providing the results.

From the still photos, it is clear that Bumrah has hyperextension which is simple terms is the elbow bending over backwards more than it usually should. Arm sleeves are probably worn by him to control the hyper extension and to avoid injuries. Arm sleeves don't hide anything about the action, if he was chucking he would have been advised to wear long sleeves and bowl like a lot of suspended ex cricketers we know of.
 
There must be a reason only Pakistani fans accuse the likes of Ashwin and Bumrah for chucking.

Can't quite put the finger on the 'why' part.
 
James said:
Unsubstantiated allegations of players being throwers/chuckers will not be tolerated on PP and action will be taken against users if we deem this necessary.
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I understand and appreciate you guys do your best to keep up the standards of discussion here but if people want to opine about a perceptibly suspect action in a constructive way, without throwing abuse the other poster's way what is wrong with that?

Ultimately, this isn't a court of law and I think sharing opinions is the very purpose of a forum. Just my 2 cents.
 
Why would experts need to explain his hyperextension if there were no questions in the public eye?
 
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Marooned said:
Is it possible to tell hyperextention from the naked eye without a test? Because in that video, the side on view looks pretty damning.
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It is very much possible to tell hyperextension from naked eye. Hyperextension is that you can straighten your arm beyond 180 degrees. Full extension for a normal human being is 180 degrees max.
 
cricketjoshila said:
It doesn't surprise me one bit that no expert finds his action suspect. Some have even explained his hyper extension in detail.
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The mans right hand literally looks like a stick In the second picture. He could easily be a chucker.
 
cricketjoshila said:
It doesn't surprise me one bit that no expert finds his action suspect. Some have even explained his hyper extension in detail.
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You are contadicting yourself in this post. Why would they go out of their way to explain his hyper extension in detail if his action is ok? :inti
 
cricketjoshila said:
You will get when he is called for chucking. Right now, except posters on PP no expert says he is chucking.
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He'll never get called.
He is the pride of Indian bowling and no one will dare call him.

You know, I know and the world knows that if it was any other bowler from another country he would have been called by now.
 
Needless discussion. People who are asserting their doubts that umpires dont call Bumrah bcoz they are scared of BCCI will be the same bunch of people who will cast their doubts on lab doctors if he gets called tomorrow and his action is tested to be fine. Afterall like umpires, lab doctors can be scared of BCCI too right?

That is why it is called conspiracy theory. A conspiracy theory is just that a conspiracy, a myth and people try to clutch onto any straw to fit their narrative.

A narrative that Ashwin chucks being played for years when Ajmal got banned and now Bumrah is a chucker too just bcoz Husnain turned out to have dodgy action. The rule for some is whenever a Pakistani bowler is banned for chucking, an Indian bowler must be banned too. Its like buy and get one deal. Lol.

Atleast with Ashwin I understand he has decent record against Pakistan and they wanted him to get banned. But why running scared of Bumrah? He mostly flopped against Pak and that infamous no-ball gave them their greatest win this decade.
 
Has any expert called for chucking ?. Even people like Vaughn , Holding etc who seems anti-india. I won't mind if Bumrah gets tested. It may explain how Bumrah gets 90+ miles per hour speed with only few steps.
 
cricketjoshila said:
It is very much possible to tell hyperextension from naked eye. Hyperextension is that you can straighten your arm beyond 180 degrees. Full extension for a normal human being is 180 degrees max.
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Nah, I mean from the side on view of a bowling action, is there a way to differentiate a h/e from a chuck? From the side view, Bumrah's action does seem suspect to the naked eye.
 
Rajdeep said:
Needless discussion. People who are asserting their doubts that umpires dont call Bumrah bcoz they are scared of BCCI will be the same bunch of people who will cast their doubts on lab doctors if he gets called tomorrow and his action is tested to be fine. Afterall like umpires, lab doctors can be scared of BCCI too right?

That is why it is called conspiracy theory. A conspiracy theory is just that a conspiracy, a myth and people try to clutch onto any straw to fit their narrative.

A narrative that Ashwin chucks being played for years when Ajmal got banned and now Bumrah is a chucker too just bcoz Husnain turned out to have dodgy action. The rule for some is whenever a Pakistani bowler is banned for chucking, an Indian bowler must be banned too. Its like buy and get one deal. Lol.

Atleast with Ashwin I understand he has decent record against Pakistan and they wanted him to get banned. But why running scared of Bumrah? He mostly flopped against Pak and that infamous no-ball gave them their greatest win this decade.
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On the contrary, it'll clear up matters to a great degree. If there are 100 doubters now, there will be only 25 after a test.

Everything isn't just jingoism. As you yourself said, Bumrah has flopped against Pakistan, so maybe there is something more to the doubts?
 
Marooned said:
On the contrary, it'll clear up matters to a great degree. If there are 100 doubters now, there will be only 25 after a test.

Everything isn't just jingoism. As you yourself said, Bumrah has flopped against Pakistan, so maybe there is something more to the doubts?
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The doubt is based on conspiracy though. As I said, if he is called by umpire and then cleared in lab, a conspiracy will be played out that lab doctors are sold out to BCCI. So unless Bumrah is banned, these conspiracy theory will continue because in the mind of doubters he is already a chucker and any institution that is not banning him is sold out.

But a professional organization like ICC cant work on conspiracy theories unfortunately. There are laws and protocols that they need to follow. They cant work for whims of few fans.
 
Rajdeep said:
The doubt is based on conspiracy though. As I said, if he is called by umpire and then cleared in lab, a conspiracy will be played out that lab doctors are sold out to BCCI. So unless Bumrah is banned, these conspiracy theory will continue because in the mind of doubters he is already a chucker and any institution that is not banning him is sold out.

But a professional organization like ICC cant work on conspiracy theories unfortunately. There are laws and protocols that they need to follow. They cant work for whims of few fans.
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Not sure what you are a calling a 'conspiracy theory'.

If you are stating a test is futile and will achieve nothing, It absolutely will for a vast majority of doubters.

If you are insinuating that doubts on Bumrah are purely due to jingoism, then why not the other Indian bowlers?

Perhaps try to look at the case in an objective way. Are you saying you find his action so clean to the naked eye that you find it unbelievable that anyone can doubt it?
 
Rajdeep said:
The doubt is based on conspiracy though. As I said, if he is called by umpire and then cleared in lab, a conspiracy will be played out that lab doctors are sold out to BCCI. So unless Bumrah is banned, these conspiracy theory will continue because in the mind of doubters he is already a chucker and any institution that is not banning him is sold out.

But a professional organization like ICC cant work on conspiracy theories unfortunately. There are laws and protocols that they need to follow. They cant work for whims of few fans.
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Conspiracy theory?
What do you think would have happened if the Pakistani skipper (or any other skipper other then from India) and a few of their players had purposely gone to the stumps mic and accused the host broadcasters of cheating?

Please answer with honesty.
 
Tbh a lot of this is in response to the double standards. Bumrah may Chuck or may not, I don’t really care tbh. It’s not my problem. However, can the Indians stop jumping up n down about shoaib - someone who retired 12 years ago.

There’s obsession and there’s infatuation! Move on!
 
IMMY69 said:
He'll never get called.
He is the pride of Indian bowling and no one will dare call him.

You know, I know and the world knows that if it was any other bowler from another country he would have been called by now.
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You are making baseless accusations.
 
IMMY69 said:
Conspiracy theory?
What do you think would have happened if the Pakistani skipper (or any other skipper other then from India) and a few of their players had purposely gone to the stumps mic and accused the host broadcasters of cheating?

Please answer with honesty.
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Do read the ICC rules. Broadcasters are not protected from any criticism.
 
IMMY69 said:
Conspiracy theory?
What do you think would have happened if the Pakistani skipper (or any other skipper other then from India) and a few of their players had purposely gone to the stumps mic and accused the host broadcasters of cheating?

Please answer with honesty.
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S.africa are notoriously famous for cheating. People just love to sympathise with them because they feel the Africans have suffered enough in the past where their players were exiled from cricket.
There were couple of instances where s.africans did cheat vs the Indians but yes, no other team can be absolved from blame barring Indians as they control the finances in cricket.
 
Bumrah should tested.If his action is found to be legal then that will be the end of the story and he will not be called a chucker.
 
Moeey said:
S.africa are notoriously famous for cheating. People just love to sympathise with them because they feel the Africans have suffered enough in the past where their players were exiled from cricket.
There were couple of instances where s.africans did cheat vs the Indians but yes, no other team can be absolved from blame barring Indians as they control the finances in cricket.
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India atleast has the guts to say it on the face. No one else can.
 
cricketjoshila said:
India atleast has the guts to say it on the face. No one else can.
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Yes full credit to them to stand up to everyone. They formulated this plan for majority control and ar enough reaping the rewards. It's about time the arrogant Brits are show their place in the sport.
 
360 CRICKET said:
NORMAL limbed people just try to bend their bowling arm like Bumrah is doing in the Above Photo.
Its so obvious that its HYPEREXTENTION of the elbows.

How do I know? Well my 10 yr old Son has the same condition.
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Make him a fast bowler and all the best to him.
 
I agree. If shoaib is chucking then bumrah is also chucking. Actually no. Bumrah has straight arm actionm shoaib has slingy action.
 
Moeey said:
I agree. If shoaib is chucking then bumrah is also chucking. Actually no. Bumrah has straight arm actionm shoaib has slingy action.
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Neither is "CHUCKING" but have a Physical Condition that works in their favor and they don't have control over their actions.

BTW even RP Singh had Hyperextention in his elbows.
 
Big 3. Maybe Big 2 now or maybe NZ replaced Aus in the Big 3. BCCI. money. The usual gravy train. rinse. repeat. wake up. Blame the above mentioned for FTC, WC schedule, choice of balls, wickets everything.
End of the day he's clean. Accept it. Move on.
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
Big 3. Maybe Big 2 now or maybe NZ replaced Aus in the Big 3. BCCI. money. The usual gravy train. rinse. repeat. wake up. Blame the above mentioned for FTC, WC schedule, choice of balls, wickets everything.
End of the day he's clean. Accept it. Move on.
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Wut
 
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