Is it time to abolish the British Monarchy?

[KingKhanWC]

A group called Republic are calling for Elizabeth II to be the last monarch of the UK.

Elizabeth was the 2nd longest reigning monarch in history, many grew up with her.

Charles is not liked nearly as much. Many feel he let Diana down, he had an affair for years lying to the public. He has little to no charisma.

Is it time to end this medieval tradition of people born with a silver spoon in their mouths ,esp since living standards have declined rapidly?

Its a Yes from me. All men and women are born equal, all die equal.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Ultimately, way too much upheaval and the French haven't fared much better. It's an non-partisan No for me. Better the devil you know.

He's actually quite progressive Charles, though Andy needs kicking out

 

[sweep_shot]

Yes. It should be gone. It serves no real purpose.

 

[SalimBhai]

I agree. We are all born equal. What its this royalty crap. However not for me to decide , I am ameriki . What about Saudi monarchy?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ultimately, way too much upheaval and the French haven't fared much better. It's an non-partisan No for me. Better the devil you know.

He's actually quite progressive Charles, though Andy needs kicking out

Acc to a YouGov poll Charlie only has a 40% popularity rating.

The bloke has the personality of a brick. Surely its embarrassing to call him King.

Better still end the monarchy, allow them to live on their own means. We will save a lot in taxes, people who are fascinated from around the world will continue to visit as tourists.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree. We are all born equal. What its this royalty crap. However not for me to decide , I am ameriki . What about Saudi monarchy?

Them too. Saudis have no history of Royalty, a bunch a bandits and terrorists who blew up trains as instructed by the British to attack the Ottoman empire.

 

[Manunited18]

Yes. After the Queen Elizabeths legacy, i do believe its time for closure of the Monarchy. They do not represent the true atmosphere of society in which struggles of all proportions is part and parcel of every day life. However the uppermiddle class and the elite admire them.

 

[ElRaja]

eventually, not today tho.

the replacement head of state will be co-opted by the existing political parties, and we'll end up with another circus of elections and popularity contests. the state of British politics is in the gutter, a non-elected, titular royal head of state provides some consistency in projecting the nations image, the royal family also prove useful selling stuff to other royals, and encouraging Americans to come for tourism and stuff.

one day, when hopefully our politics has devolved to a local level it may be worth electing a representative head of state of a federation, currently it serves no purpose imo.

 

[dildilpak]

For me, the British monarchy (or rather any monarchy) stands for racism, nepotism & class divide. Britain can never claim to be a liberal, equal society when the most visible form of colonialistic oppression is the Head of its state & Head of its Church. To think that a so-called liberal, developed modern society can support such an antiquated institution is a big oxymoron.

Even more of a puzzle is why Canada (the beacon of progressive nations) & Australia still retain the monarch as head of the state. Time to break free, non?

 

[Zaz]

I dont see what purpose they serve in this day and age Its 2022 not the middle ages There role is totally defunct in this day and age

As well as the above their life and silver spoon status is something totally at odds with the avge working class brits life

 

[Robert]

For me, the British monarchy (or rather any monarchy) stands for racism, nepotism & class divide. Britain can never claim to be a liberal, equal society when the most visible form of colonialistic oppression is the Head of its state & Head of its Church. To think that a so-called liberal, developed modern society can support such an antiquated institution is a big oxymoron.

Even more of a puzzle is why Canada (the beacon of progressive nations) & Australia still retain the monarch as head of the state. Time to break free, non?

What colonies?

 

[James]

Even more of a puzzle is why Canada (the beacon of progressive nations) & Australia still retain the monarch as head of the state. Time to break free, non?

Not really your business. That is their decision to make. And they are free to do so. If they want to become republics, then they can do so tomorrow. (Notice how they don’t?) The UK does not stand in the way of these decisions any longer.

 

[James]

To the OP, I’d rather stay as we are for now. There are no “good” forms of governance, but constitutional monarchy seems one of the least flawed available. And I really don’t want the UK to become like America.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I dont see what purpose they serve in this day and age Its 2022 not the middle ages There role is totally defunct in this day and age

As well as the above their life and silver spoon status is something totally at odds with the avge working class brits life

This is the key for me. Man should more civilised and more modern now. To have a people born into wealth without earning it , forcing the public to change their lives to make theirs better is backward.

To the OP, I’d rather stay as we are for now. There are no “good” forms of governance, but constitutional monarchy seems one of the least flawed available. And I really don’t want the UK to become like America.

Queen or King has no real power. They also have the privy council where all leaders are forced to pledge alliegenice in secret,. This is not democracy.

An elected President with an elected PM but Parliament has the most power is the best form of democracy.

Also I would never bow down or take the knee to any man or woman. Its weird man.

 

[dildilpak]

What colonies?

Pardon, Didnt get your question?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Pardon, Didnt get your question?

What colonies?

I like it :

 

[Robert]

Pardon, Didnt get your question?

You said the monarch is a symbol of colonialistic oppression, and I asked “What colonies?” They are all sovereign states now.

 

[Robert]

This is the key for me. Man should more civilised and more modern now. To have a people born into wealth without earning it , forcing the public to change their lives to make theirs better is backward.

You would prevent people passing their estates to their descendants? So all their goods become property of the state after their deaths and every future generation starts at zero?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

No, the monarchy is working just fine in UK, don't see any reason to replace it.

It gives the UK alot of soft power when their Royal family visits other countries. No one would care if some random President of UK was visiting, the royal family are like celebrities. They have a global brand.

Also their is a 1,000 year of history and tradition behind the monarchy. The monarch is a neutral head of state, unlike an elected President who would be partition. Its a symbol of a Britian.

Only possible benefit would be financial, however the monarchy does not cost that much. If replaced you would still spend the money on a President.

Also the money that the Royal Family gets is a percentage of the Crown Estates. If the monarchy is abolished those estates should belong to them. And if the government can legally seize their lands, than why not seize the lands of all the other dukes, and earls, and barons.

 

[PakLFC]

Monarchy is ancient and outdated. If the UK is broken as i seem think it will be then the monarchy will naturally end. The history of the monarchy is written in the blood and suffering of the people whose lands it looted. I don't see how this backdated idea benefits anyone in any way other then the so called Royal family who live wonderful lives without ever really working. They can't relate to the problems of there own people let alone the rest off the world.

 

[The_KING]

No, the monarchy is fine.

The concept of equality is a myth and doesn't exist. Some people are more privileged than others and that is harsh reality of life.

And Diana wasn't some innocent person either.

 

[The_KING]

Monarchy is here to stay. People can cry about it and start their abolish the monarch movement. Monarchy ain’t going anywhere any time soon.

 

[Robert]

No, the monarchy is working just fine in UK, don't see any reason to replace it.

It gives the UK alot of soft power when their Royal family visits other countries. No one would care if some random President of UK was visiting, the royal family are like celebrities. They have a global brand.

Also their is a 1,000 year of history and tradition behind the monarchy. The monarch is a neutral head of state, unlike an elected President who would be partition. Its a symbol of a Britian.

Only possible benefit would be financial, however the monarchy does not cost that much. If replaced you would still spend the money on a President.

Also the money that the Royal Family gets is a percentage of the Crown Estates. If the monarchy is abolished those estates should belong to them. And if the government can legally seize their lands, than why not seize the lands of all the other dukes, and earls, and barons.

The office of French President costs more than the Royals.

I agree about the soft power projection. Even Trump was impressed by that banquet.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You would prevent people passing their estates to their descendants? So all their goods become property of the state after their deaths and every future generation starts at zero?

Of course not. People have the right to do as they wish but should coming in the way or disrupt other peoples lives.

Royals can keep their wealth even though its a result of imperial conquest.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, the monarchy is fine.

The concept of equality is a myth and doesn't exist. Some people are more privileged than others and that is harsh reality of life.

And Diana wasn't some innocent person either.

Monarchy is here to stay. People can cry about it and start their abolish the monarch movement. Monarchy ain’t going anywhere any time soon.

I think its the strong supporters of the Royals who are upset atm.

Its nice to see a hardned supporter of the Royals. Please answer these questions.

1. Do you believe you are a SUBJECT of a family or people you have never met or have no idea you exist?

2. As a subject, how do you view the British Royal family?

3. We live in a democracy? How does an unelected person(s) be allowed to become head of state in a system which claims to be based on peoples rights and freedom?

4. Why should we all have to change/alter our lives , even lose money for a family with such wealth?

 

[Technics 1210]

We should all understand one thing, the Monarchy of today is not the same as the monarchy of yesteryear that ruled during the British Empire up to WW2.

Since 1952 we have had a constitutional monarchy which means the Queen or King do not rule, but reign.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We should all understand one thing, the Monarchy of today is not the same as the monarchy of yesteryear that ruled during the British Empire up to WW2.

Since 1952 we have had a constitutional monarchy which means the Queen or King do not rule, but reign.

Officially.

Then there is a Privy council.

Look if a nation wants to be ruled a family which has such a bloodthirsty history and are happy to be subjects, then let them rule prorpley, scrap parliament. If you want democracy have proper democracy ,not this shambles based on some weird nostalgia thinking we are special because we have this pomp.

Its 2022 not 1066.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I find the whole concept of royalty really bizzare, but even more strange is how so many people are happy to play along and be loyal subjects. I mean there's no harm in it, but the whole thing just makes no sense.

 

[Technics 1210]

Officially.

Then there is a Privy council.

Look if a nation wants to be ruled a family which has such a bloodthirsty history and are happy to be subjects, then let them rule prorpley, scrap parliament. If you want democracy have proper democracy ,not this shambles based on some weird nostalgia thinking we are special because we have this pomp.

Its 2022 not 1066.

The Queen herself was not responsible for the British Empire, like you and I are not responsible for our ancestors actions.

We can replace the Monarchy now, it still doesn't stop the government waging illegal wars which they have done since 1947, but not the monarchy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Queen herself was not responsible for the British Empire, like you and I are not responsible for our ancestors actions.

We can replace the Monarchy now, it still doesn't stop the government waging illegal wars which they have done since 1947, but not the monarchy.

The Queen never apologised or accepted any responsibility of her family. If you continue this Royalty, you take on their stolen goods , you take on their history too.

The Queen also did a lot bad in Apartheid South Africa, study it.

 

[Technics 1210]

The Queen never apologised or accepted any responsibility of her family. If you continue this Royalty, you take on their stolen goods , you take on their history too.

The Queen also did a lot bad in Apartheid South Africa, study it.

Western bankers have looted Trillions, condemned millions to poverty, have funded wars, but have never apologised, and these are the guys that are regulated.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Western bankers have looted Trillions, condemned millions to poverty, have funded wars, but have never apologised, and these are the guys that are regulated.

Sure start a thread on them, happy to discuss.

But to claim the Queen has had no influence in many wrongs is wrong.

 

[Technics 1210]

Sure start a thread on them, happy to discuss.

But to claim the Queen has had no influence in many wrongs is wrong.

I am just pointing out if you want the Monarchy to apologise for past actions, then you should be asking bankers to apologise for present actions.

Queen was not responsible for the looting carried out by her ancestors, or the East India Trading company. This is a fact but you seem to be stuck on this point.

Lets face it, had there been no British Empire then I doubt even Pakistan would exist, after all, the rebellion against British rule is what sowed the seeds for partition.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am just pointing out if you want the Monarchy to apologise for past actions, then you should be asking bankers to apologise for present actions.

Queen was not responsible for the looting carried out by her ancestors, or the East India Trading company. This is a fact but you seem to be stuck on this point.

Lets face it, had there been no British Empire then I doubt even Pakistan would exist, after all, the rebellion against British rule is what sowed the seeds for partition.

Her wealth is based on her families adventures. India has demanded a return for the Kohi Noor diamond, if she wanted to distance her self surely return this and all other stolen goods? You cant have your cake and eat it.

I again advise a bit of research into her role in South Africa.

Never mind, seems you are upset and happy to be bend the knee. May your grieving be easy on you.

I realise many are loyal subjects and are having a tough time atm. I respect anyone death and those grieving.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What are you personal views. do you feel in 2022 a family can live a lavish life with taxpayers money while their lives are disrupted , often losing money?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I find the whole concept of royalty really bizzare, but even more strange is how so many people are happy to play along and be loyal subjects. I mean there's no harm in it, but the whole thing just makes no sense.

Insecurity of identity?

There are companies and people out there losing money in a time of cost of living crisis but many still are happy to become poorer for a family who doesn't know they exist. I find this strange.

 

[Technics 1210]

Her wealth is based on her families adventures. India has demanded a return for the Kohi Noor diamond, if she wanted to distance her self surely return this and all other stolen goods? You cant have your cake and eat it.

I again advise a bit of research into her role in South Africa.

Never mind, seems you are upset and happy to be bend the knee. May your grieving be easy on you.

I realise many are loyal subjects and are having a tough time atm. I respect anyone death and those grieving.

Your argument is weak, what next, blame a child born into riches? None of us get to choose where we are born.

Many people born in the UK for past 70 years have only ever known the Queen's reign. It's a massive change and literally an end of an era. This has nothing to do with loyality.

Money, Passports, Crown services, and Stamps are all going to change. This is a monumental change in British lives, of course you are free to surrender the protection His Majesty offers you, and support India in the quest for the Kohi noor.

 

[James]

Good debate going but please leave out the needless personal attacks.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Your argument is weak, what next, blame a child born into riches? None of us get to choose where we are born.

Many people born in the UK for past 70 years have only ever known the Queen's reign. It's a massive change and literally an end of an era. This has nothing to do with loyality.

Money, Passports, Crown services, and Stamps are all going to change. This is a monumental change in British lives, of course you are free to surrender the protection His Majesty offers you, and support India in the quest for the Kohi noor.

I support all in their right to claim stolen goods, I would support your too if you were burglered.

You argument isnt even relevant to mine. The Royals are not just normal people which you are linking to to your argument. Royals have a direct impact on peoples lives. Forget the UK, even Australian businesses are complaining loss of revenue, its thousands of miles away.

If Royals had no impact on others lives, I have no issue with them.

 

[Technics 1210]

I find it hilarious that critics of the Monarchs are the first to seek refuge in the UK, be it from the back channels of the EU, or the subcontinent through asylum.

If people hate the Monarchy so much, why prefer to move to the UK?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good debate going but please leave out the needless personal attacks.

What is your view James?

I wish there was a kind way of finding out the mind of people who see another family superior to their own family. I just dont get it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I find it hilarious that critics of the Monarchs are the first to seek refuge in the UK, be it from the back channels of the EU, or the subcontinent through asylum.

If people hate the Monarchy so much, why prefer to move to the UK?

This is a Tommy Robinson point. )

Duh, you do realise millions of WHITE Brits are republicans .

 

[Technics 1210]

I support all in their right to claim stolen goods, I would support your too if you were burglered.

You argument isnt even relevant to mine. The Royals are not just normal people which you are linking to to your argument. Royals have a direct impact on peoples lives. Forget the UK, even Australian businesses are complaining loss of revenue, its thousands of miles away.

If Royals had no impact on others lives, I have no issue with them.

How does the Monarch impact your life directly? Or anyone living in the UK? We are not ruled by the Monarch, we are governed by an elected government that has a direct impact on our lives.

I never claimed Monarchy are normal people. As for Australia and etc, they are free to turn into a republic, and abolish their head of State, so why don't they?

 

[James]

What is your view James?

I wish there was a kind way of finding out the mind of people who see another family superior to their own family. I just dont get it.

I have always found the whole thing to be a bit odd, my wife is a royalist but I am indifferent. It is a medieval idea that has somehow survived to the modern age.

I don’t see a huge reason to change things though. Constitutional monarchy seems to work for the UK. I don’t see huge benefits to changing the UK into a republic. Could even make UK generally poorer in the long run.

I am also not sure if people who support the monarchy consider another family to be superior to their own based on blood; perhaps people (70% of the population approx) are just comfortable with the present system because it seems to work ok & causes them no particular harm.

 

[Technics 1210]

This is a Tommy Robinson point. )

Duh, you do realise millions of WHITE Brits are republicans .

I am not sure you are reading. You keep harping on about stolen goods from the British Empire and Kohinoor etc, but you didn't answer the point. If browns and blacks born outside the UK hate the Monarch because of their past, then why do they choose the UK?

Let me guess, the Monarch has no influence or they seek the return on stolen goods?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have always found the whole thing to be a bit odd, my wife is a royalist but I am indifferent. It is a medieval idea that has somehow survived to the modern age.

I don’t see a huge reason to change things though. Constitutional monarchy seems to work for the UK. I don’t see huge benefits to changing the UK into a republic. Could even make UK generally poorer in the long run.

I am also not sure if people who support the monarchy consider another family to be superior to their own based on blood; perhaps people (70% of the population approx) are just comfortable with the present system because it seems to work ok & causes them no particular harm.

I dont think it will UK poorer. Royals only brining in tourism money to London mostly. We spend too much to keep them going. When they have official events, it cost ordinary people a lot.

I am not sure you are reading. You keep harping on about stolen goods from the British Empire and Kohinoor etc, but you didn't answer the point. If browns and blacks born outside the UK hate the Monarch because of their past, then why do they choose the UK?

Let me guess, the Monarch has no influence or they seek the return on stolen goods?

WHITE people also want return of stolent. Dont make this about race, its Tommys level of debating. You will only embrass yourself.

 

[Technics 1210]

WHITE people also want return of stolent. Dont make this about race, its Tommys level of debating. You will only embrass yourself.

You made it about race in the KC3 thread.

Your words:

He seems to be a staunch Royal even though no brown man will ever see this privilege. Such people are upset atm, give them the benefit of doubt.

Not every 'Brown' thinks like you.

Have fun helping Indians recover the Kohi Noor.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You made it about race in the KC3 thread.

Your words:

He seems to be a staunch Royal even though no brown man will ever see this privilege. Such people are upset atm, give them the benefit of doubt.

Not every 'Brown' thinks like you.

Have fun helping Indians recover the Kohi Noor.

My point was no brown person will ever be King. Or are you keeping hope?

You point was brown people should leave. EDL type argument, just pointing this out.

You forgot white people also feel this way, in fact most republicans in the UK are WHITE. Where should they go?

 

[Technics 1210]

My point was no brown person will ever be King. Or are you keeping hope?

You point was brown people should leave. EDL type argument, just pointing this out.

You forgot white people also feel this way, in fact most republicans in the UK are WHITE. Where should they go?

So first of all good you agree, you made this about race first.

Now, wipe those tears. I clearly mentioned brown and black people who think like you, who have a chip on their shoulder because of the past actions of the British Empire, who were born outside the UK. My posts were in English above.

Can't answer the question why said people hate everything about the Monarchy but decide to choose to move to the UK for refuge? Hmmmm.

The White people you refer to don't despise the Monarchy because of the British Empire and its past actions, after all the wealth brought to the UK but rather because of royal superiority.

The Brown folk like you despise the Monarchy because of the British Empire and past rule in the Subcontinent in particular, the Queen's ancestors, who stole Kohi Noor, and believe the Monarchy owe you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So first of all good you agree, you made this about race first.

Now, wipe those tears. I clearly mentioned brown and black people who think like you, who have a chip on their shoulder because of the past actions of the British Empire, who were born outside the UK. My posts were in English above.

Can't answer the question why said people hate everything about the Monarchy but decide to choose to move to the UK for refuge? Hmmmm.

The White people you refer to don't despise the Monarchy because of the British Empire and its past actions, after all the wealth brought to the UK but rather because of royal superiority.

The Brown folk like you despise the Monarchy because of the British Empire and past rule in the Subcontinent in particular, the Queen's ancestors, who stole Kohi Noor, and believe the Monarchy owe you.

I didnt agree anything. lol. Im not in tears but I respect you're grieving. Did you ever meet her and bow the neck at all?

You made a big mistake assuming only brown people are republicans, white people are majority in this regard. Again where should they go?

People come to the UK OFTEN because of the history of the monarchy. YOU wouldnt be here now if the Royals didnt rule and loot your ancestral land. Others move to the UK because of many reasons, only in your mind you think they should love the Queen or King. There is no compulsion to do so.

Ill allow you to grieve in peace, as you are only making yourself look like a right winger which you have been accused of by others and I dont agree with.

Get the black suit ready for next Monday, I hope its not too tough for you.

 

[Technics 1210]

!!!

You're just rambling / rehashing now.

You claimed above that if the Royals didn't have a direct influence on lives you wouldn't be bothered.

I asked you how the Royal family have a direct influence on our lives. No answer. Google access slow?

You should come better prepared than jumping on the bandwagon.

I know you love to view the world in terms of Pakistan/Brown/Islam, and I agree with most of your views, but on this occasion, you need to be sent to the dungeon!

 

[KingKhanWC]

You're just rambling / rehashing now.

You claimed above that if the Royals didn't have a direct influence on lives you wouldn't be bothered.

I asked you how the Royal family have a direct influence on our lives. No answer. Google access slow?

You should come better prepared than jumping on the bandwagon.

I know you love to view the world in terms of Pakistan/Brown/Islam, and I agree with most of your views, but on this occasion, you need to be sent to the dungeon!

Andy down there with his whip? Not my thing mate.

I will continue after the funeral. I respect peoples grief. Once she is buried I will list info about Royal history and also Elizabeths role in the world in the last 70 odd years.

 

[Technics 1210]

Andy down there with his whip? Not my thing mate.

I will continue after the funeral. I respect peoples grief. Once she is buried I will list info about Royal history and also Elizabeths role in the world in the last 70 odd years.

Cool, but please do continue after the funeral, but it is not the info on the Royal history or QE2's role in the world you should be posting, this info is readily available for anyone to read/watch, but rather, you should be posting info on to explain how the Royal family have a direct influence on our lives.

Speak after the 19th September!

 

[Mamoon]

UK citizens who claim that they are not loyal to the monarchy and oppose it should open their passports and read the following:

“Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”

This will be updated accordingly the next time they apply for a passport renewal, thanks to Charles accession to the throne.

Talk is cheap as usual - discard your passports if you do not wish to be recognized as a loyal subject of the monarchy because your status as a British citizen - by definition - identifies you as a loyal subject.

 

[SalimBhai]

uk citizens who claim that they are not loyal to the monarchy and oppose it should open their passports and read the following:

“her britannic majesty's secretary of state requests and requires in the name of her majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”

this will be updated accordingly the next time they apply for a passport renewal, thanks to charles accession to the throne.

Talk is cheap as usual - discard your passports if you do not wish to be recognized as a loyal subject of the monarchy because your status as a british citizen - by definition - identifies you as a loyal subject.

mammon 1. Rest of you 0

 

[KingKhanWC]

UK citizens who claim that they are not loyal to the monarchy and oppose it should open their passports and read the following:

“Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”

This will be updated accordingly the next time they apply for a passport renewal, thanks to Charles accession to the throne.

Talk is cheap as usual - discard your passports if you do not wish to be recognized as a loyal subject of the monarchy because your status as a British citizen - by definition - identifies you as a loyal subject.

Real citizens make change not run off.

But please dont give your ideas living in Pakistan while you dont believe Pakistan should exist and support India bombing Pakistani children.

Give up your passport but you wont.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Cool, but please do continue after the funeral, but it is not the info on the Royal history or QE2's role in the world you should be posting, this info is readily available for anyone to read/watch, but rather, you should be posting info on to explain how the Royal family have a direct influence on our lives.

Speak after the 19th September!

After seeing the photo of the woman with a trophy hunt of a beautiful tiger, lets not wait.

This is disgusting, how anyone can support such evil is beyond me.

 

[Kroll]

No, but I'm a realist and it won't disappear in our lifetime. The British monarchy is a powerful and foremost symbol of the British state, you just have to look at the aftermath of the Queen's death to see this.

For this reason, it still has a massive support and this won't diminish anytime soon.

 

[Technics 1210]

After seeing the photo of the woman with a trophy hunt of a beautiful tiger, lets not wait.

This is disgusting, how anyone can support such evil is beyond me.

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Yes it is disgusting, but the fact the photo is black and white tells me it was many moons ago, plus fox hunting was also banned despite resistance from the Monarchy.

Though I don't understand your point? Because the Queen was hunting animals, she doesn't deserve respect? Imran Khan took his kids hunting too, should I stop respecting IK?

Anyway, the Queen trophy hunting doesn't have a direct influence on our lives. This is all I am asking, for you to give examples of how the Monarchy directly influence our lives.

Take all the time you need.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes it is disgusting, but the fact the photo is black and white tells me it was many moons ago, plus fox hunting was also banned despite resistance from the Monarchy.

Though I don't understand your point? Because the Queen was hunting animals, she doesn't deserve respect? Imran Khan took his kids hunting too, should I stop respecting IK?

Anyway, the Queen trophy hunting doesn't have a direct influence on our lives. This is all I am asking, for you to give examples of how the Monarchy directly influence our lives.

Take all the time you need.

Hunting Tigers which were endangered is not the same has hunting birds or hunting for food. Remember Cecil the Lion , the uproar? The point is no decent person wouldn't indulge in this evil let alone take a photo as a trophy. She is not the only one but this alone is enough for me to believe she was a bad person. But there are many others.

Im glad you accept her wrongs.

Ive already made the points about the monarchy having a negative effect on peoples lives. My company alone lost over 100k due to her death. Its a simple point, once these degenerates starts to impact your life negatively, its a problem. The world should continue moving as normal if they die or any other weird event they indulge in.

Not to mention how the Royals are used for War propaganda.

 

[The_KING]

UK citizens who claim that they are not loyal to the monarchy and oppose it should open their passports and read the following:

“Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”

This will be updated accordingly the next time they apply for a passport renewal, thanks to Charles accession to the throne.

Talk is cheap as usual - discard your passports if you do not wish to be recognized as a loyal subject of the monarchy because your status as a British citizen - by definition - identifies you as a loyal subject.

Not often I agree with you, but I definitely agree with you this time around.

 

[Technics 1210]

Hunting Tigers which were endangered is not the same has hunting birds or hunting for food. Remember Cecil the Lion , the uproar? The point is no decent person wouldn't indulge in this evil let alone take a photo as a trophy. She is not the only one but this alone is enough for me to believe she was a bad person. But there are many others.

Im glad you accept her wrongs.

Every human being has erred, what's your point?

Ive already made the points about the monarchy having a negative effect on peoples lives. My company alone lost over 100k due to her death. Its a simple point, once these degenerates starts to impact your life negatively, its a problem. The world should continue moving as normal if they die or any other weird event they indulge in.

Not to mention how the Royals are used for War propaganda.

So let me get this straight, the only direct impact the Monarchy has on people's live is Monetary? Such as Australian businesses losing money because of the Monarchy - how exactly?

Though the fact you have mentioned you've lost £100K due to the death of the Queen, only affects your life directly, not the general publics, and this also explains why you seem more upset than those who are saddened by the death of the Queen. You are angry because the Queen's death cost you £100K.

Still I was hoping you would provide examples of direct impact while she was alive, no, you opted for the when she died option.

The Queen's role for 70 years was symbolic and ceremonial - she never made her own laws, she never declared war on a nation, she never set taxes or interest rates - in fact her mere presence did the exact opposite - generate revenue.

The King will pretty much continue in her late mother's footsteps.

 

[Mamoon]

Real citizens make change not run off.

But please dont give your ideas living in Pakistan while you dont believe Pakistan should exist and support India bombing Pakistani children.

Give up your passport but you wont.

Nice deflection, but your hypocrisy is exposed. There is a difference between stating that monarchy should be abolished and claiming that you do not serve the monarchy, they mean nothing to you, making fun of others for bending their necks whatever.

You serve the monarchy too. Your status as a UK citizen automatically means that you do. The passport that you carry means that you do.

So I would advise you to make less arrogant statements and adopt a less condescending attitude towards others because you yourself are not willing to do anything practical about not serving the monarchy.

You can be in denial that you don’t but that doesn’t change the reality.

 

[Mamoon]

The monetary aspect is hilarious and shows the ignorance of the anti-monarchy brigade.

You abolish the monarchy, you will have a president, and you will be spending more on the president than you do on the monarchy.

 

[Robert]

My point was no brown person will ever be King. Or are you keeping hope?

Actually George III’s wife was a Moor, so George IV was half-Moor, William IV a quarter Moor, and Empress Victoria 1/8 Moor.

 

[Robert]

After seeing the photo of the woman with a trophy hunt of a beautiful tiger, lets not wait.

This is disgusting, how anyone can support such evil is beyond me.

It was eighty years ago. Tigers were not endangered then. Morality has changed since. Charles the ecologist would not do this.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

UK citizens who claim that they are not loyal to the monarchy and oppose it should open their passports and read the following:

“Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State requests and requires in the name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.”

This will be updated accordingly the next time they apply for a passport renewal, thanks to Charles accession to the throne.

Talk is cheap as usual - discard your passports if you do not wish to be recognized as a loyal subject of the monarchy because your status as a British citizen - by definition - identifies you as a loyal subject.

Once more the blabberings of a foreigner who has no clue about life in the UK. There are plenty of British born natives (including myself) who don't give a flying fig about the monarchy, and I don't say that in a detrimental tone. Good luck to the Royals, including American late entries and suspected paedos, but there are plenty of Brits who don't take that nonsense seriously. It is strictly for the brown sahibs to obsess over minutae like that passport stuff, if you are an immigrant or prospective immigrant, maybe you should take note. For the rest of us it is immaterial, although always provides us with a chuckle to see it being presented to us.

 

[MenInG]

The arrests of protesters after the death of Queen Elizabeth II are "deeply concerning", free-speech campaigners have said.

Police in Scotland have arrested two people in recent days, while a man was arrested and de-arrested in Oxford.

The arrests came at events to mark the Queen's death and proclaim King Charles III Britain's new monarch.

In London, as queues begin for the lying in state, the Met Police said people "have a right to protest".

On Sunday, a 22-year-old woman was charged in connection with a breach of the peace after being arrested during an accession proclamation for the King outside St Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh.

She was later released and will appear at Edinburgh Sheriff Court at a later date.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

See above. Those are extremists who are bothered enough to hold anti-monarchy protests, they will get let off with a slap on the wrist, but they have used their freedom of speech to voice their protests.

Now how silly does it look to see brown sahibs quoting us some blurb on our passports in light of this? Do you think these protestors will be sent to Rwanda perhaps for daring to protest against the monarchy? "Hey Mrs Tomkins, pack your bags, you are headed for Africa!"

 

[The_KING]

The arrests of protesters after the death of Queen Elizabeth II are "deeply concerning", free-speech campaigners have said.

Police in Scotland have arrested two people in recent days, while a man was arrested and de-arrested in Oxford.

The arrests came at events to mark the Queen's death and proclaim King Charles III Britain's new monarch.

In London, as queues begin for the lying in state, the Met Police said people "have a right to protest".

On Sunday, a 22-year-old woman was charged in connection with a breach of the peace after being arrested during an accession proclamation for the King outside St Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh.

She was later released and will appear at Edinburgh Sheriff Court at a later date.

There is a time and place for everything. These idiots protesting against the monarchy need to understand that now isn’t the appropriate time for anti monarchy protests, when the Royals are still mourning the loss of the Queen and are in the process of her funeral.

 

[Technics 1210]

As it has been said, the 'blurb' on the UK Passport doesn't mean much to people born in the UK, but when an immigrant decides to settle in the UK post 2002, part of the process involves Naturalisation, and in this process, the immigrant MUST swear allegiance to the Queen (now King), and take an Oath to protect the Monarchy.

Now, if an immigrant is anti Monarchy, what are the chances they will refuse to take the oath? ZILCH, they will swallow their hate and principles for the sake of a UK passport.

FACT.

 

[Mamoon]

Once more the blabberings of a foreigner who has no clue about life in the UK. There are plenty of British born natives (including myself) who don't give a flying fig about the monarchy, and I don't say that in a detrimental tone. Good luck to the Royals, including American late entries and suspected paedos, but there are plenty of Brits who don't take that nonsense seriously. It is strictly for the brown sahibs to obsess over minutae like that passport stuff, if you are an immigrant or prospective immigrant, maybe you should take note. For the rest of us it is immaterial, although always provides us with a chuckle to see it being presented to us.

Looks like I hit a nerve.

As I said, anti-monarchy citizens of the UK are not prepared to put their money where their mouth is. It is their delusion that they don’t care about monarchy and they do not serve the queen/king.

Their status as UK citizens forces them into servitude. You certainly give a flying fig about the monarchy because you cannot even travel to another country without pledging allegiance to the crown, and you will not hesitate to sing “God Save The King” if that is what it takes to protect your UK citizenship.

As long as you are UK/Commonwealth citizen, you are a subject of the monarchy. Simply stating that you don’t care and you do not give a flying fig makes you an unhappy subject, but it still makes you a subject because - as I said - as long as you carry the UK passport, you are in service to the crown whether you like it or not.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

My views of the monarchy have changed quite a bit. We all know that deep down its just a bit of kid-on, but so are many things that society values.

I now quite like the fact that we have a symbolic preservation of tradition and ritual, that ( again symbolic) the role of the sovereign is to defend the faith ( not my faith but that's ok) and that our elected politicians have to bow their head every week to an institution that is permanent.

They don't really impact my life in anyway, there is no tyranny or abuse of the population, it is essentially a dress up exercise that has value because it has an impact on the public.

In most cases that impact is positive - a royal recognition for an act of charity via the awards systems carries considerable weight for example, people get genuine satisfaction at being invited to royal tea parties, meeting the Queen was seen as a once in a lifetime event and the causes that they are patrons for and back are thrown into the limelight.

This impact is heavily felt overseas - I mean we Pakistanis were delighted when William and Kate visited. It was a real sign that the country had made progress - anyone that tells you otherwise is lying or ignorant. In fact - they were the example that was given when England failed to honour their touring commitments.

And judging by the outpouring of grief expressed by the general public they are still widely valued at home.

Coming to Charles specifically - he is a deeply spiritual man, heavily influenced by Islamic philosophy, architecture and environmentalism. I think he is an avid reader of the works of Sh Martin Lings and Seyyid Hossein Nasr but follows the Christian traditions within the teachings of the Perennial Philosophy.

Unlike the Queen who had the role thrust on her at a very young we are aware of Charles opinion on most matters. While he can no longer express them publicly hopefully the fact that they are known while have a subtly positive political influence.

 

[The_KING]

My views of the monarchy have changed quite a bit. We all know that deep down its just a bit of kid-on, but so are many things that society values.

I now quite like the fact that we have a symbolic preservation of tradition and ritual, that ( again symbolic) the role of the sovereign is to defend the faith ( not my faith but that's ok) and that our elected politicians have to bow their head every week to an institution that is permanent.

They don't really impact my life in anyway, there is no tyranny or abuse of the population, it is essentially a dress up exercise that has value because it has an impact on the public.

In most cases that impact is positive - a royal recognition for an act of charity via the awards systems carries considerable weight for example, people get genuine satisfaction at being invited to royal tea parties, meeting the Queen was seen as a once in a lifetime event and the causes that they are patrons for and back are thrown into the limelight.

This impact is heavily felt overseas - I mean we Pakistanis were delighted when William and Kate visited. It was a real sign that the country had made progress - anyone that tells you otherwise is lying or ignorant. In fact - they were the example that was given when England failed to honour their touring commitments.

And judging by the outpouring of grief expressed by the general public they are still widely valued at home.

Coming to Charles specifically - he is a deeply spiritual man, heavily influenced by Islamic philosophy, architecture and environmentalism. I think he is an avid reader of the works of Sh Martin Lings and Seyyid Hossein Nasr but follows the Christian traditions within the teachings of the Perennial Philosophy.

Unlike the Queen who had the role thrust on her at a very young we are aware of Charles opinion on most matters. While he can no longer express them publicly hopefully the fact that they are known while have a subtly positive political influence.

Great post.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looks like I hit a nerve.

As I said, anti-monarchy citizens of the UK are not prepared to put their money where their mouth is. It is their delusion that they don’t care about monarchy and they do not serve the queen/king.

Their status as UK citizens forces them into servitude. You certainly give a flying fig about the monarchy because you cannot even travel to another country without pledging allegiance to the crown, and you will not hesitate to sing “God Save The King” if that is what it takes to protect your UK citizenship.

As long as you are UK/Commonwealth citizen, you are a subject of the monarchy. Simply stating that you don’t care and you do not give a flying fig makes you an unhappy subject, but it still makes you a subject because - as I said - as long as you carry the UK passport, you are in service to the crown whether you like it or not.

Hit a nerve

Why don't you ask some of your white Brits on here what they think? You are still talking the language of a foreigner and look that's ok. You are one, but don't assume British people think like that.

 

[shaz619]

A group called Republic are calling for Elizabeth II to be the last monarch of the UK.

Elizabeth was the 2nd longest reigning monarch in history, many grew up with her.

Charles is not liked nearly as much. Many feel he let Diana down, he had an affair for years lying to the public. He has little to no charisma.

Is it time to end this medieval tradition of people born with a silver spoon in their mouths ,esp since living standards have declined rapidly?

Its a Yes from me. All men and women are born equal, all die equal.

I think the Queen seemed like a nice lady and played her role well for the gallery without being controversial ever. I don’t mind the Royals existing as they are, given how they seem to inspire so many people. But, I don’t want to pay tax to aid their existence, there is little benefit to me in that. I never quite understood the deep fascination non-white people have towards the Royals though and it is driven by a deep inferior complex or Uncle Tom syndrome, these people should ideally get deported because such behaviour is not in line with British values, these leeches want to send society in Britain back 1000 years, it’s not patriotic behaviour is it. We need to move away from peasant ideals. The monarchy have no power anyway as it is, the inbred supporters of Prince Andrew are thick.

 

[RexRex]

Is it time to end this medieval tradition of people born with a silver spoon in their mouths ,esp since living standards have declined rapidly?

Its a Yes from me. All men and women are born equal, all die equal.

The reasoning used by many royalists is that the monarchy is the one constant that unites all sections of England and thus is the foundation of the country .. just like Islam is the foundational backbone for a country like Pakistan.

On some level, this argument makes sense.

 

[Technics 1210]

Even if the Monarchy is abolished, what will it achieve?

You are still left with a democratically elected government that sets fiscal and foreign policy, and we've seen the track records of said governments for decades on these 2 points. You are still left with a government that will wage war, increase poverty, bestow hardship, tax you to the hilt, snoop on every move you make, and track you via your digital footprint. In fact, this is what we have right now considering the Monarchy is purely symbolic and ceremonial!

At least with the Monarchy the Queen established and maintained a relationship with former British colonies, but with a government, instructions from Amreeka and EU will ensure most bridges are burned.

 

[Technics 1210]

Also, a point to ponder, showing respect for the Queen doesn't make one a royalist.

 

[James]

Also, a point to ponder, showing respect for the Queen doesn't make one a royalist.

Indeed. There are not just royalists and republicans. There is a middle ground, with other positions.