Our top 4 compared to England, India, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand
Because they’ve been saying for years that Rizwan isn’t good and that it’s “only a matter of time” before everyone realises that.
Haha true, a lot of people coping hard hereBecause they’ve been saying for years that Rizwan isn’t good and that it’s “only a matter of time” before everyone realises that.
Meanwhile Rizwan has slapped them all into the shadow realm.
Their insecure obsession borders on insanity. It’s equally hilarious and sad to see.
Nonetheless we don’t have to worry. Rizwan won’t be dropped for the WC in a million years lol.
If writing lists makes them feel better let them knock themselves out
The obsession with rizwan that people on this forumn has is borderline insane.Because they’ve been saying for years that Rizwan isn’t good and that it’s “only a matter of time” before everyone realises that.
Meanwhile Rizwan has slapped them all into the shadow realm.
Their insecure obsession borders on insanity. It’s equally hilarious and sad to see.
Nonetheless we don’t have to worry. Rizwan won’t be dropped for the WC in a million years lol.
If writing lists makes them feel better let them knock themselves out
.Moin>Sarfaraz>Rashid >Kamran>Rizwan that's the way I would rank them combining their wicket keeping/batting ability as well as game awareness. Kamran is the worst wk out of the lot but he has played some outrageous knocks with the bat. Rashid is the best pure wk but he really underachieved as a batsman. Sarfaraz has declined too soon but was a magnificent player of spin. One thing that really bothers me about Rizwan other than his inconsistent keeping is his lack of strength against any particular type of bowling. Moin & Kamran could tame & destroy best of the fast bowlers at their prime whereas Rashid & Sarfaraz could bully even the best of spinners. Rizwan can do neither of them. He can only relish on gun barrel 125-135 trundlers.
That's a pathetic top 4, will not even 300, forget 350.
Lol Moin and Kamran were average wicket keepers and poor batsmen. Sarfraz and Rashid were safe keepers, Rashid poor batsman and Sarfraz only really good batsman in Test Matches. Rizwan is much better batsman than other three in white ball cricket, equal to Sarfraz in Test Cricket, but as a wicket keeper superior to Kamran, Moin and Sarfraz and equal to Rashid.
Did you consider dropped catches of Gill when he batted against Pakistan, before judging his inning?The obsession with rizwan that people on this forumn has is borderline insane.
But they still have a point, although they've exaggerated it to insanity.
Abdullah is raw atm and hasn't developed a power hitting game as of yet and imam will never develop it meaning we have a consistent but extremely slow opening pair and these guys get out then they've kinda crippled the team in the powerplay.
Babar is a walking wicket this world cup if he ends up facing kuldeep, wallelaga etc.
As for rizwan, Rizwan isn't bad, but he ain't good either. He didn't slap anyone into the shadow realm, he played well but that's off mendis dropping him 2x and his performances are always just okay. Not good, not bad. He's in the realm of an okay player but he's being marketed as the next best thing for Pakistan which he isn't.
I did, i acknowledged those dropped catches, Gill got lucky.
Did you ever watch Moin play at his prime? I don't think you did,probably too young at the time .I would suggest to rewind not much, just 99 world cup & 00 asia cup before making such vague statements regarding Moin. The knocks Kamran played against India at Mohali(05) & Karachi (06) are beyond Rizwan's wildest dreams, he could never ever have played that. I am really learning new things from Rizbar fans everyday! Rashid is widely accepted as the best pure wk of Pak cricket history, really no one disputes that. Here you are claiming Rizwan is equal. Hats off
I am older than you think and have been watching cricket from 1982. How many runs did Moun score in the world cup 92?Did you ever watch Moin play at his prime? I don't think you did,probably too young at the time .I would suggest to rewind not much, just 99 world cup & 00 asia cup before making such vague statements regarding Moin. The knocks Kamran played against India at Mohali(05) & Karachi (06) are beyond Rizwan's wildest dreams, he could never ever have played that. I am really learning new things from Rizbar fans everyday! Rashid is widely accepted as the best pure wk of Pak cricket history, really no one disputes that. Here you are claiming Rizwan is equal. Hats off
Wow Kamran played a couple of good knocks lol.Did you ever watch Moin play at his prime? I don't think you did,probably too young at the time .I would suggest to rewind not much, just 99 world cup & 00 asia cup before making such vague statements regarding Moin. The knocks Kamran played against India at Mohali(05) & Karachi (06) are beyond Rizwan's wildest dreams, he could never ever have played that. I am really learning new things from Rizbar fans everyday! Rashid is widely accepted as the best pure wk of Pak cricket history, really no one disputes that. Here you are claiming Rizwan is equal. Hats off
I mentioned 99 & you backtracked to 92
? So what was he supposed to do batting at 9 all the times?A tailender was responsible to win matches? As per your claim you must have been an adult in 92 to remember this.You also should have remembered due to his batting positions he missed almost half games & got very little chances to show what he was capable of. He did however prove his worth in the semifinal with that quick fire cameo to win the match & was brilliant behind the wickets in the final (again didn't get to bat). You should have known all this if you really have been watching the game for over forty years.
Sure kami was great catch dropper
Kamran was a frustrating player to watch, no doubt about that. He was shambolic behind the wickets & was extremely inconsistent with the bat. However his legacy isn't purely built on two test hundreds. He was integral In Pak's 09 t20 success. It was him who took on the English pace attack back in 05 series & rattled them. Guess what? That was the last time Pak has won a white ball series against Eng. Rizwan hasn't been able to achieve any of this yet & I doubt he ever will.Wow Kamran played a couple of good knocks lol.
He also threw his wicket on a routine basis. His strike rotation was about as existent as Sharjeel's diet plan.
Like i said, Rizwan doubters love to make lists. Keep them coming. I guess it is cheaper than therapy for you.
Rizwan is the greatest wicketkeeper batsman in the history of Pakistan. It's hilarious that this fact burns some people, but it is what it is. Facts don't care about your feelings
, since it's pretty obvious anyone who doesn't worship your boys are automatically termed as hater, jealous etc. I could care less about this childish tantrum that fanboys throw around everytime somebody disagrees.Fakhar came through like that too. Plus it can be good for Pakistan if our players' are unknown entity for the opposition.
Do you seriously think Moin or Kamran were better batsmen than Rizwan?I mentioned 99 & you backtracked to 92
Kamran was a frustrating player to watch, no doubt about that. He was shambolic behind the wickets & was extremely inconsistent with the bat. However his legacy isn't purely built on two test hundreds. He was integral In Pak's 09 t20 success. It was him who took on the English pace attack back in 05 series & rattled them. Guess what? That was the last time Pak has won a white ball series against Eng. Rizwan hasn't been able to achieve any of this yet & I doubt he ever will.
Afridi was a poor test batsman??? Yet he averages almost same to Rizwan with far supreme strike rate & has more than double number of hundreds. And btw, he won Pak more than just the Chennai test. He was instrumental in Bengalor & Karachi also. I am pointing out this facts but you should have already known this since you have been a long time viewer.
Yes I seriously think both of them were better batsmen than Rizwan, there's no personal feelings attached to it like your fellow Rizwan fan hitthestump has tried to attribute. Moin never got to bat above 6,most of the times he had to settle at 7/8. He did the best he could do from those positions. He wasn't consistent but supremely impactful. There's a reason Pak won their first asia cup under his captaincy, every icc trophy he was part of Pak at least made to semis. These are not mere coincidences. He had issues behind the wickets but then again we need to remember who were the bowlers he was keeping for. Imran, the W's, Shoaib,Razzak,Aakib,Mahmud,Afridi & the Mushtaq twins. Literally the all the greats of Pak history. It wasn't easy. I have already mentioned Akmal's performance so won't repeat. Rashid also had to keep for same attack that Moin did, there's no way I would put Rizwan on the same pedestal with Rashid.
| T20's | Innings | Batting Average | Batting SR |
| Rizwan | 85 | 49.07 | 127.3 |
| Kamran | 53 | 21 | 119.63 |
| ODI's | Innings | Batting Average | Batting SR |
| Rizwan | 59 | 36.8 | 88.59 |
| Kamran | 138 | 26.09 | 83.94 |
When you go into the 40 over plus criteria for Imam you are basically admitting he is good enough to survive that long anyway, and if he is there for the last 10 we have riz/chacha/imad if recalled to accelerate around him.
Imam is never their for the last 10 pvers, he gets out as soon as over 40 is hit.
| Versus | Mat | Inns | NO | 100s | 50s | 0s | HS | Runs | Avg | S/R | Ca Fld | Ca Kpr | St |
5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 91 | 281 | 56.20 | 73.18 | 3 | 0 | 0 | |
7 | 7 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 106 | 414 | 69.00 | 87.71 | 3 | 0 | 0 | |
3 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 100 | 261 | 87.00 | 90.31 | 1 | 0 | 0 | |
8 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 151 | 335 | 55.83 | 84.38 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 50* | 50 | | 72.46 | 1 | 0 | 0 | |
5 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 | 28 | 7.00 | 44.44 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 5.00 | 35.71 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 8 | 4.00 | 27.59 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
9 | 9 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 90 | 262 | 32.75 | 76.16 | 1 | 0 | 0 | |
9 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 101 | 447 | 49.67 | 80.83 | 2 | 0 | 0 | |
4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 100 | 178 | 59.33 | 76.39 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 72 | 201 | 50.25 | 90.54 | 1 | 0 | 0 | |
8 | 8 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 128 | 506 | 63.25 | 91.67 | 2 | 0 | 0 | |
66 | 65 | 6 | 9 | 19 | 3 | 151 | 2976 | 50.44 | 82.19 | 14 | 0 | 0 |
As usual you have to really dig deeper if you want to take these stats on face value. Those 2 hundreds against Aus came last year where all we know what kind of bowling attack they had at their disposal. The ones against SA & Eng were far more valuable since those were away hundreds & scored mostly against main bowlers. Even though Steyn at that period was pretty much finished & on his last legs, but still credit must be given to Imam for making the best of the opportunities. Looking at his current state I just don't see him having any kind of impact against SENAI in the world cup. He will either get out within first 10 or will eventually graft his way towards a 75(90) which I am not sure how will benefit his side. A shrewd ruthless opposition captain would prefer him to stay on the crease as long as possible since he has no third gear to move forward.
Actually England got ahead bcs they don't care about their technical skill, they're all about scoring fast.. and they do struggles when pitch has something to offer..
All that still holds true, but Rizwan could even play at 3 with Babar 4 and Saud at 5.
Shadab and Fakhar are both gun fielders. Always been fan of Fakhar's fielding
What's overrated with his keeping?
He is a gun keeper and clutch batsman as compared to that fraud Akmals and yawning former captain
lol @ drops a catch every series. He was flawless for 3 straight years and only had couple of bad games recently.
He is winning this match for Pakistan so this debate should be over now, at least for some time.
Unless this is sarcasm, I don’t understand the post. He’s been integral in this run chase so far.
Now they will say it was a weak attack
It will never be over. The boys live to fight another day, now many have shifted their eyes onto the next match. Prayers have been initiated for his failure
Plus Babar as well. Such a timid player.
I want to move on from fakhar and its clear his real age is around 36, 37 but I stand by what I said. Fakhar will always be on my good side because he's played innings our Mr no 1 can only dream of. Every other player who's spineless and tries to duck and hope to chase 180 in the last 20 with 5 wickets in hand. Falhar genuinely tried his best to lower run rates. And while batting he tried to putbat the opposition and score as much as possible. Not like Pakistan which is like " Jee hum 270 score karei gei on a 350 pitch, inshallah"
Why does no one ever notice rizzu? That's what I don't get? He's not even trying to hide his nonsense anymore. He's not manipulating the media and is clearly showing and exposing himself. So what gives? Why is he still critque free?
No clue. Extremely powerful lobby
