Is it time to part ways with Imam-ul-Haq, Fakhar Zaman and Mohammad Rizwan?

[mominsaigol]

No clue. Extremely powerful lobby

40% of the people here want him as the next captain

Why? Atleast babar cries after losing. This degenerates hangs out in the opposition dug out and has fun with them.

 

[mominsaigol]

Like yourself, Fakhar holds a special place in my heart. He gave us some great memories. The most notable of those was his innings in the 2017 CT Final. No Pakistani batsman has ever played an innings like that against India in an ICC event nor has any Pakistani batsman performed like that in an ICC final. This hundred and Inzy's SF knock against New Zealand are the two greatest ODI innings I've seen from a Pakistan batsman in ICC tournaments.

Fakhar showed good intent and was always able to play the modern brand of cricket unlike Babar who has been exposed in this WC as a 40+ average player at 80SR against first string bowling attacks. His average has been inflated by bashing minnows + third string bowlers whilst pursuing milestones.

Yes put Imam in a hot air ballon with parchi written on it because that's his new brand.

indeed, Rizwan is very good with the gloves. In T20Is, it's time for Muhammad Harris to play the bilaterals and to be groomed for the next World T20. In tests, Sarfraz is the first choice wicket-keeper batsman. In ODIs, I want to see Harris given opportunities to play as a lower order hitter but I'm not sure if he's ready to take over the gloves. One day I would like to see him become our next wicket-keeper. Did you see Rizwan clowning around with Rauf after the Umpire's call on the DRS?

I did, Rizwan sets a bad example in general that's my issue. And everyone for some reason keeps thinking I'm a hater if I say anything about him?

It's not just rizzu, it's babar as well and imam.

People don't understand that these guys are beyond spinless. And all teams if given the choice would take haris over these 3.

Is haris better then these 3 as a batsmen? Nope, will be perform as consistently? Nope, infact I expect him to make a lot of 10 digit scores. But if haris performs in 1 out of 10 games, you win . Babar, Imam and rizzu 50 per game does nothing, so you win 0 out of 10 games lol.

Lastly to accommodate babar, Rizzu and imam concessions need to be made, and these concessions involve never grooming a string of players and when things get exposed or injuries happen, Theirs no options available.

This WC has badly exposed the fab 5 (Bavuma, Babar, Smith, Williamson, root), Root was exposed In 2019 lol, when Morgan reflected and said it would have been better to have Alex Hales be our no 3 for the cup.

But atleast bavuma and Williamson have the credit of being gun captains. Williamson even while injured still leads, and bavuma ended the chocke curse and respect of the entire dug out.

Rizwan's I wanna bat at no 4, or forcing imad waseem who was striking a million dollars to take a single for his 100, sets a horrible example. He just has the credit of keeping. Haris isn't a good keeper sadly. Sarfi in test and odi is a good keeper, but he's good for stumping and aerial catching. He can't do those aerial boundary saving jumps rizzu can or those insane dives that rizzu can.

 

[topspin]

I did, Rizwan sets a bad example in general that's my issue. And everyone for some reason keeps thinking I'm a hater if I say anything about him?

It's not just rizzu, it's babar as well and imam.

People don't understand that these guys are beyond spinless. And all teams if given the choice would take haris over these 3.

Is haris better then these 3 as a batsmen? Nope, will be perform as consistently? Nope, infact I expect him to make a lot of 10 digit scores. But if haris performs in 1 out of 10 games, you win . Babar, Imam and rizzu 50 per game does nothing, so you win 0 out of 10 games lol.

Lastly to accommodate babar, Rizzu and imam concessions need to be made, and these concessions involve never grooming a string of players and when things get exposed or injuries happen, Theirs no options available.

This WC has badly exposed the fab 5 (Bavuma, Babar, Smith, Williamson, root), Root was exposed In 2019 lol, when Morgan reflected and said it would have been better to have Alex Hales be our no 3 for the cup.

But atleast bavuma and Williamson have the credit of being gun captains. Williamson even while injured still leads, and bavuma ended the chocke curse and respect of the entire dug out.

Rizwan's I wanna bat at no 4, or forcing imad waseem who was striking a million dollars to take a single for his 100, sets a horrible example. He just has the credit of keeping. Haris isn't a good keeper sadly. Sarfi in test and odi is a good keeper, but he's good for stumping and aerial catching. He can't do those aerial boundary saving jumps rizzu can or those insane dives that rizzu can.

This post summarises very well why Rizwan shouldn't be captain. I think this point deserves a thread of its own. Would be an intriguing read if ever you get time.

 

[mominsaigol]

This post summarises very well why Rizwan shouldn't be captain. I think this point deserves a thread of its own. Would be an intriguing read if ever you get time.

Man, I already trolled the whole forumn with the is Muhammad rizwan the worlds best batsmen thread, this serious topic would suck me dry with many posters bum rushing me. I'd rather keep that thread and have a kick.

I would make a is babar azam the worlds best captain thread and is Muhammad nawaz the worlds best bowler thread as well but its a bit late to make that.

Babar is done from captaincy and nawaz is leaving after this cup, but the rizzu thread is already so popular and will continue to get more popular and give me more laughs.

Rizzu is the one person who ain't go no where. His A contract is too strong. Pcb would give him an A + contract if they could. The guy is more powerful and problematic then babar and imam atm lol.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Yes it's high time to get rid of Imam ul haq. He has been liability on PCT for long time. In modern day cricket we require extraordinary SR. And Imam ul haq only play for average.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes it's high time to get rid of Imam ul haq. He has been liability on PCT for long time. In modern day cricket we require extraordinary SR. And Imam ul haq only play for average.

I wonder how imam would do as a fitness instructor?

 

[TeamPak95]

Imam yes, Fakhar yes, Rizwan no (assuming he is batting at 5).

 

[Sherazkhalid]

Imam yes, Fakhar yes, Rizwan no (assuming he is batting at 5).

Maybe one last Hurrah for Fakhar and then goodbye to him as well. Not sure why people don't want Rizzu, he is as good as it's gooing to get.

 

[Slim]

This worldcup should be curtains for Imam and Fakhar surely. I hope to never see them play for Pakistan team again.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Fakhar should play the remaining matches and Imam should be rested for the next few tours to make him realize that his performance is worst.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Should have parted ways with this trio at least 2 years ago however it's always better late then never

 

[mominsaigol]

Should have parted ways with this trio at least 2 years ago however it's always better late then never

Why fakhar? 2 years ago he was a goat lol. He's the only modern era bat Pakistan has? Besides chacha but chacha is bang Average, only benefit of chacha is that he tries his level best to play but can't do much.

Rizzu and imam are spineless and play for themselves. No care I the world for the team.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Why fakhar? 2 years ago he was a goat lol. He's the only modern era bat Pakistan has? Besides chacha but chacha is bang Average, only benefit of chacha is that he tries his level best to play but can't do much.

Rizzu and imam are spineless and play for themselves. No care I the world for the team.

Fair enough on Fakhar however his performances between 2019 to 2021 merited him being dropped and I would have done so

Sharjeel would have been a much better investment

 

[mominsaigol]

Fair enough on Fakhar however his performances between 2019 to 2021 merited him being dropped and I would have done so

Sharjeel would have been a much better investment

Bro the thing about fakhar is that he plays for the team. Before he was out of form he was averaging 45 with a sr of 92 and unlike the others this was achieved via obeying fearless cricket and for the team.

Any idiot like imam can make up 50 averages and 80 sr if all they do is nudge and nudge. But a single eye test would reveal how terrible he is.

Fakhar has played match winning innings for Pakistan, 114 against India was sweet something our Mr no 1 can't ever dream of doing. The 194 against sa is good. When quinton is gonna cheat to get you out, you know you have played well.

Who has ever tried to use rat tactics to get imam or rizwan out? That's because the opposition wants them on the crease . They help kill the game

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Bro the thing about fakhar is that he plays for the team. Before he was out of form he was averaging 45 with a sr of 92 and unlike the others this was achieved via obeying fearless cricket and for the team.

Any idiot like imam can make up 50 averages and 80 sr if all they do is nudge and nudge. But a single eye test would reveal how terrible he is.

Fakhar has played match winning innings for Pakistan, 114 against India was sweet something our Mr no 1 can't ever dream of doing. The 194 against sa is good. When quinton is gonna cheat to get you out, you know you have played well.

Who has ever tried to use rat tactics to get imam or rizwan out? That's because the opposition wants them on the crease . They help kill the game

Yeah your right about Fakhar being leagues ahead of both those stat padders but my point is that their was a guy in domestics who was leagues ahead of him and he should have been the one we invested in.

Mark my words, if Sharjeel and Saim were opening for us this world cup, than we would be seeing similar scorecard's to that of Australia today

 

[shah_1]

1. Hasan Ali, Usama Mir and Mohammad Nawaz should never play for Pakistan again
2. Imam should be kept in the loop but Saim Ayub deserves a longer run, he deserves his chance more than Imam because what he offers as a player
3. Shadab should never be used as a 5th bowler, not good enough to bowl 10 overs. His focus should be batting only otherwise he should be dropped.

Apart from that I would not drop anyone else.

 

[Rana]

Yeah your right about Fakhar being leagues ahead of both those stat padders but my point is that their was a guy in domestics who was leagues ahead of him and he should have been the one we invested in.

Mark my words, if Sharjeel and Saim were opening for us this world cup, than we would be seeing similar scorecard's to that of Australia today

Too much honesty there bro. The guys here will mock you for it.

Sharjeel was the big gun that these fans never wanted to feature for us.

 

[mominsaigol]

Too much honesty there bro. The guys here will mock you for it.

Sharjeel was the big gun that these fans never wanted to feature for us.

Don't fans hate sharjeel for spot fixing?

I honestly don't remember much of sharjeel tbh. I only saw him in the Australian series and thought he was pretty good, considering how poor Pakistan usually is in Australia lol.

I remember him in psl and then didn't see him again XD

 

[Rana]

Don't fans hate sharjeel for spot fixing?

I honestly don't remember much of sharjeel tbh. I only saw him in the Australian series and thought he was pretty good, considering how poor Pakistan usually is in Australia lol.

I remember him in psl and then didn't see him again XD

Na they hate him because I told them he is a better T20 opener than Babar and Rizwan

Misbah had both Fakhar and Sharjeel in his squad v West Indies before the 2021 T20 World Cup.

Not once did this guy try this combination. That’s where I know this guy Misbah lacks clear vision as a white ball analyst

 

[mominsaigol]

Na they hate him because I told them he is a better T20 opener than Babar and Rizwan

Misbah had both Fakhar and Sharjeel in his squad v West Indies before the 2021 T20 World Cup.

Not once did this guy try this combination. That’s where I know this guy Misbah lacks clear vision as a white ball analyst

Brother anyone is a better t20 opener then babar and rizwan . I saw how they batted in Wc 2022 and in Asia cup. It was comedy at its finest.

 

[Rana]

Brother anyone is a better t20 opener then babar and rizwan . I saw how they batted in Wc 2022 and in Asia cup. It was comedy at its finest.

Sharjeel LACES express pace

No Pakistani opener (I’ve seen them all) can lace them like Sharjeel can. He isn’t content with hitting one or two boundaries in a powerplay over either. He will put all 6 balls away if they are there to be hit.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sharjeel LACES express pace

No Pakistani opener (I’ve seen them all) can lace them like Sharjeel can. He isn’t content with hitting one or two boundaries in a powerplay over either. He will put all 6 balls away if they are there to be hit.

Yh ik the leg Slide flick.

I disagree with sharjeel > Prime fakhar though. I don't think anyone can smack those big totals like he can. I remember the minnow treatment sharjeel gave to Ireland once though

 

[GreenKhan]

Fakhar v Sharjeel is not even a debate .

One guy averages even with his recent slump 45 with SR of 92. With 10 hundreds including 200, 190 and a 180.

The other averages 32 with only one 100 in 25 games and that to against the might Ireland .

Only on Pakpassion would such a comparison be made.

If you add to the mix that one is great fielder and the other is a liability in the field and cheat it makes it even more laughable.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Too much honesty there bro. The guys here will mock you for it.

Sharjeel was the big gun that these fans never wanted to feature for us.

Don't worry, let them mock us

We will continue to be vindicated by results and when they do realise the truth they'll either come to our side or continue to make fools out of themselves backing mediocrity

 

[mominsaigol]

Don't worry, let them mock us

We will continue to be vindicated by results and when they do realise the truth they'll either come to our side or continue to make fools out of themselves backing mediocrity

Bto the batista pic along with your dialogue makes you sound so cringe . But I do understand your frustrations lol.

Chalo wait and watch. Rn Pakistan is in a storm and waiting for it to pass. I'm predicting another storm to come very very soon once rizzu is made captain because I fear he's the next candidate.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Bto the batista pic along with your dialogue makes you sound so cringe . But I do understand your frustrations lol.

Chalo wait and watch. Rn Pakistan is in a storm and waiting for it to pass. I'm predicting another storm to come very very soon once rizzu is made captain because I fear he's the next candidate.

Haha bro that's the intention

But don't worry about any Rizwan captaincy. it seems as though the higher ups of the PCB have seen the light and finally correct decisions are being made. Sarfraz seems to be guaranteed to become our test skipper and regarding limited overs, I think Shan and Imad are favourites

 

[mominsaigol]

Haha bro that's the intention

But don't worry about any Rizwan captaincy. it seems as though the higher ups of the PCB have seen the light and finally correct decisions are being made. Sarfraz seems to be guaranteed to become our test skipper and regarding limited overs, I think Shan and Imad are favourites

No it'd between sarfraz, Shaheen and Rizwan. And ik sarfraz will be test captain but rizzu will 100% be odi and t20 captain sadly.

Rizwan isn't the one under fire, he's going under the radar atm. Babar, sheddy and nawaz are under . I've always told everyone, one thing rizwan is good at, compares to imam, Babar and the rest, is that he knows how to manipulate the media and not let the media play him, Babar gets bashed but rizzu doesn't come under fire.

Only time rizzu came under fire was when sohaib akhtar bashed him in both Asia cup final and in test and rizzu quickly handled it by lying about test results and everyone called him humble.

He's being viewed as a saviour. So yhz he's 100% gonna be odi captain atleast. T20 is iffy between him and shaheen but he's defo odi captain next. Sarfi gets test only for now

 

[Asad T]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1719339455277101319

 

[aukhan]

Imam - Yes
Fakhar - No
Rizwan - Should be moved from the no.4 position.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Why Imam didn't play today?

 

[sweep_shot]

Imam should be dropped.

Fakhar should stay. Rizwan should stay.

 

[mominsaigol]

Falhar was unfit and injury prone, man recovered and played well

 

[gazza619]

Yeah part ways with these three and get bowled out for less than a hundred against a minnow.

 

[Devadwal]

Fakhar and imam are best opening combos for pakistan.

Need to bring both of them now

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Fakhar doesn't need to be pushed down the order. The point of this thread is why these technique flawed players are playing. Fakhar won't function down the order. Teams have figured him out now. Even Nepal figured him out. Just bowl away from him at good length and you're golden..

Replace him with saim ayub, someone who is younger, can play for the next 17 years and doesn't have technique problems, just is raw and needs to work on game awareness and match situation which will come naturally. 20 is as good a time as any to Blossom this lad.

@mominsaigol got you!!

I knew you were against Fakhar too, the amount of ridicule you spit on him in this thread shows you changed your take in the last few months.

Your views aren’t consistent, your probably changed your tunes when Zaman got that century vs Nz.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

All I'm saying is saim, Abdullah and saud do not have this issue. Not hyping these guys, play them and give them the same privileges that rizwan, babar, Fakhar and Imam are given and they'll surpass these 4 in a year.

The reason those overhyped players failed is because pakistan loves either slotting them out of position and dropping them after 1 or 2 games irrespective of whether they perform or not, and loves giving Infinte passes to others less deserving. Shadab being the prime example.

Yeah, Abdullah Saim will surpass Fakhar in a year, I knew it, you were against Fakhar too.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol got you!!

I knew you were against Fakhar too, the amount of ridicule you spit on him in this thread shows you changed your take in the last few months.

Your views aren’t consistent, your probably changed your tunes when Zaman got that century vs Nz.

Yeah, Abdullah Saim will surpass Fakhar in a year, I knew it, you were against Fakhar too.

Lol, I made this back when fakhar was struggling and I was new on this forumn.

You're extremely late to the party as I already said I changed my mind for the NZ game and was wrong and since then I've been consistent with my takes.

No point in going back a year when I was brand new to thos forumn.

I change my takes based of new Information presented.

I don't latch onto rubbish arguments like you do about laxman, Ashwin, Dhoni and other rubbish like rizwan