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Is Javed Miandad an ATG or only a Pakistani Great?

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Javed Miandad scored 8,832 runs for Pakistan, at 52.57. Throughout that career his Test batting average never dropped below fifty.

There were also 7,381 ODI runs including a World Cup record (at that point) of 1,083. He remains the only batsman to score nine consecutive ODI fifties.

And there are too many achievements in First-Class cricket to list.

He is probably the greatest batsman Pakistan has ever produced. Or probably not. But definitely one of the greatest.

Part of his greatness lies in the psychological pressure he put on the opposition – while batting.

Viv Richards could demolish an opposition with his willow – and body language. Miandad did the same, perhaps a tad more, as Gideon Haigh would tell you: "Richards merely made it look as though you weren't good enough to bowl to him. Miandad said it to your face.."

It was psychological pressure of a different sort. He looked at ease before he faced the first ball. Then, once there, he sang, laughed, whistled, chatted with the fielders, all the while making batting look ridiculously easy. He was on a hundred, and the match was Pakistan's before you could figure out what he had been up to.

Miandad also led Pakistan before Imran Khan. He was ousted following a 'coup' led by Imran, generally recognised as Pakistan's greatest ever captain.

However, Miandad's numbers as captain (14 wins, 6 defeats) make better reading than Imran's (14 and 6). One must remember that Miandad almost never opted out when Imran led, Imran did not always return the favour.

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Miandad used to sledge while batting. Dilip Doshi was a favourite, but then, Doshi was not a difficult "target". Ian Chappell was.

Tony Greig once put Miandad right under Chappell's nose during a World Series match. Miandad kept talking in loud Urdu, using the words "Ian Chappell" from time to time. None of the Urdu was abusive, but that was not important. What mattered was that Chappell thought Miandad had been abusing him. He holed out to deep mid-wicket.

We know about the ugly clash with Dennis Lillee (who had started it) all too well. On another occasion, Rodney Hogg played the ball to Miandad at point and walked out to pat the pitch. Miandad ran him out. Hogg kicked the stumps before leaving. Miandad taunted Hogg as he left.

And we have seen how he went overboard during his tussle with Kiran More.

Was he a tad too competitive? He answers that – to some extent – in his autobiography: "As far as I was concerned, cricket was war and I was at war whenever I played."

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Miandad saved his best for the Indians. Ask any Indian fan from the 1980s, and they will tell you that no moment had hit them as hard as that last-ball six off Chetan Sharma.

Till that match India had won 8 matches against Pakistan and lost 7. Starting that match, till the 1997 Sahara Cup, the head-to-head read 26-8 in Pakistan's favour. It is for a reason that his autobiography has a chapter called Wars With India.

I sometimes narrate a story about my mother, who had introduced me to cricket. India were running away with the match in the 1996 World Cup quarter-final. Miandad was struggling in his last ODI innings. His strike rate was around 60.

But my mother still refused to believe: "Do not be complacent. This man can win every match." The television commentators did not sound too enthusiastic either...

Years later, when I shared this, I realised how many people across India believed that Miandad could win the match from that near-impossible situation. The ghosts of that six were not exorcised till the man retired.

We Indians loved to see his back. We hated his presence at the crease – because we were, unknowingly or otherwise, in awe of his batsmanship. We refused to admit to it, but we knew, every time, what we were up against. His was the wicket to take.

And what annoyed us most that he did not seem to feel one bit of the pressure. He would smile and whistle his way to glory; and yet, when the willow flashed, you could almost see the bayonet behind it every time.

Javed Miandad was born this day, 1957. We are unlikely to see another of his kind.:sarf2
 
Sureshot atg. One of the first matches i saw on tv was the qf of 1996. Though mindad was clearly struggling my dad was tenesd throughout as he believed pakistan can win the match as long as miandad is batting.
 
Without question a Top 100 level test cricketer.

Pakistan's 2nd greatest batsman and their 5th greatest cricketer ever

Without question a Top 10 level batsman in #AsianBloc

Based on the above, i conclude and declare Javed Miandad, an All Time Great.
 
A Pakistani Great for sure. Not a ATG in test cricket. He was pretty average overseas specially against the West Indies. Plus his overall career stats were boosted by biased umpiring. Probably wud have averaged in mid 40s in this era of neutral umpiring

For me ATGs from that era ( 70s & 80s ) wud be Greg Chappel , Viv Richards & Sunil Gavaskar

Second tier wud have likes of Miandad , Border, Gundappa Vishwanath , Gower , Greenidge & Alan Lamb
 
Ofcourse he is, by far the greatest Asian batsmen of all-time after Kumar Sangakkara.

Tendulkar and Kohli have their childhood memories of Javed Miandad launching Chetan Sharma for a DLF IPL maximum to win the Sharjah final in 1986, which inspired both the kids and brought them more to the game and because of that, they went on to become legends of the game today.

He is an inspiration to all the legendary batsmen that we have produced over the past 25 years. Unfortunately, he has been dethroned from the no.1 by a Sri Lankan with a non-Asian accent, Kumar Sangakkara, which is why he gets under-appreciated today but that doesn't take away the fact that how big a legend he was.
 
Ofcourse he is, by far the greatest Asian batsmen of all-time after Kumar Sangakkara.

Tendulkar and Kohli have their childhood memories of Javed Miandad launching Chetan Sharma for a DLF IPL maximum to win the Sharjah final in 1986, which inspired both the kids and brought them more to the game and because of that, they went on to become legends of the game today.

He is an inspiration to all the legendary batsmen that we have produced over the past 25 years. Unfortunately, he has been dethroned from the no.1 by a Sri Lankan with a non-Asian accent, Kumar Sangakkara, which is why he gets under-appreciated today but that doesn't take away the fact that how big a legend he was.

Wow that’s a surprising post from you considering you don’t get annoyed easily and keep calm
 
Our greatest Test Batsman is Younis Khan no matter how much people try to deny it.

Inzimam and Mohammad Yousuf the more complete players who also did very well in ODI cricket.

Babar Azam well set to overtake all of them InshaAllah
 
Only fools would not call him a world ATG. He was the best batsman of that time. Faced the mighty windies and aussies, taunted the English and the indians. Come on! Ask anyone from that era and all of them would rank him as an ATG.
 
Not an ATG.

He’s a tier below the Tendulkar, Lara, Waugh, Kallis, Sobers class.
 
A Pakistani Great for sure. Not a ATG in test cricket. He was pretty average overseas specially against the West Indies. Plus his overall career stats were boosted by biased umpiring. Probably wud have averaged in mid 40s in this era of neutral umpiring

For me ATGs from that era ( 70s & 80s ) wud be Greg Chappel , Viv Richards & Sunil Gavaskar

Second tier wud have likes of Miandad , Border, Gundappa Vishwanath , Gower , Greenidge & Alan Lamb

No matter how you rate Miandad (he is a borderline ATG for me), Border is a sure ATG. He is the direct reason for Australia being the best side in the world for 15 years. He may have crouched and prodded his way to 10,000 test runs but he falls in an exclusive category (Headley, Flower, Lara during the end of his career) of players who have been the only test-class bats in the team. His series against the WI is the stuff of legend, with Dujon saying his greatest cricketing regret is that Border did not score twin hundreds in this test.

His prime contribution to Australian cricket however was his captaincy. At first, he hated it, but his dogged leadership amidst rebel tours and home losses to NZ laid the foundation for future success.

If he isn't an ATG, nobody is. Taking into account his batting and captaincy, no Australian has had such an impact of the state of Australian cricket since Bradman
 
He is a hall of famer of ICC I think isn't he
So that's the answer 😁
 
I must admit I haven't seen Miandad live. I started watching cricket in 1996 and he was a finished player by then.

So, I guess I haven't seen enough of him to rate him properly.

Statistically, he is a Pakistani great (not an ATG).
 
Till that match India had won 8 matches against Pakistan and lost 7. Starting that match, till the 1997 Sahara Cup, the head-to-head read 26-8 in Pakistan's favour. It is for a reason that his autobiography has a chapter called Wars With India.

He changed the tide in Indo-Pak cricket rivalry with that 6 in 1986 Sharjah final. It would take another 17 years for tide to turn the other way, that Sachin 98 at Centurion. Not necessarily the best matches but both landmark matches in the rivalry with 2 iconic knocks.
 
He changed the tide in Indo-Pak cricket rivalry with that 6 in 1986 Sharjah final. It would take another 17 years for tide to turn the other way, that Sachin 98 at Centurion. Not necessarily the best matches but both landmark matches in the rivalry with 2 iconic knocks.

The tide changed in the T20 Final.

India leaned forward with IPL and Pakistan has not caught up since.
 
The tide changed in the T20 Final.

India leaned forward with IPL and Pakistan has not caught up since.
I think both were competitive during 2000s but reading the indian team of that era they were a pretty big team so Pak overachieved during 2000s in imo considering the team they were playing with
 
A Pakistani Great for sure. Not a ATG in test cricket. He was pretty average overseas specially against the West Indies. Plus his overall career stats were boosted by biased umpiring. Probably wud have averaged in mid 40s in this era of neutral umpiring

For me ATGs from that era ( 70s & 80s ) wud be Greg Chappel , Viv Richards & Sunil Gavaskar

Second tier wud have likes of Miandad , Border, Gundappa Vishwanath , Gower , Greenidge & Alan Lamb

Tier ATG:- Viv Richards, Greg Chappell, Sunil Gavaskar, Javed Miandad, Allan Border

2nd tier:- Greenidge, Gower, Gooch, Vishwanath and rest
 
No matter how you rate Miandad (he is a borderline ATG for me), Border is a sure ATG. He is the direct reason for Australia being the best side in the world for 15 years. He may have crouched and prodded his way to 10,000 test runs but he falls in an exclusive category (Headley, Flower, Lara during the end of his career) of players who have been the only test-class bats in the team. His series against the WI is the stuff of legend, with Dujon saying his greatest cricketing regret is that Border did not score twin hundreds in this test.

His prime contribution to Australian cricket however was his captaincy. At first, he hated it, but his dogged leadership amidst rebel tours and home losses to NZ laid the foundation for future success.

If he isn't an ATG, nobody is. Taking into account his batting and captaincy, no Australian has had such an impact of the state of Australian cricket since Bradman

Yes. AB was the best player against the WI according to Marshall, and the most clutch batter I ever saw.
 
Tier ATG:- Viv Richards, Greg Chappell, Sunil Gavaskar, Javed Miandad, Allan Border

2nd tier:- Greenidge, Gower, Gooch, Vishwanath and rest

For me ATGs are players who wud be in discussion for All Time World XIs

Viv Richards , Greg Chappel & Gavaskar are always part of discussion for such World XIs. Never seen Javed Miandad & Border part of such discussion. Thats the distinction for ATGs & Greats for me

Again its subjective - depends from person to person
 
Yes. AB was the best player against the WI according to Marshall, and the most clutch batter I ever saw.

Malcolm Marshall also called Vengsarkar as the toughest batsman he played against

ps : Alan Lamb was unarguably best batsman against West Indies in 1980s
 
No matter how you rate Miandad (he is a borderline ATG for me), Border is a sure ATG. He is the direct reason for Australia being the best side in the world for 15 years. He may have crouched and prodded his way to 10,000 test runs but he falls in an exclusive category (Headley, Flower, Lara during the end of his career) of players who have been the only test-class bats in the team. His series against the WI is the stuff of legend, with Dujon saying his greatest cricketing regret is that Border did not score twin hundreds in this test.

His prime contribution to Australian cricket however was his captaincy. At first, he hated it, but his dogged leadership amidst rebel tours and home losses to NZ laid the foundation for future success.

If he isn't an ATG, nobody is. Taking into account his batting and captaincy, no Australian has had such an impact of the state of Australian cricket since Bradman

Totally agree. As a captain he was ATG

But purely as a batman he more of a Great. Same wit Javed Miandad
 
I must admit I haven't seen Miandad live. I started watching cricket in 1996 and he was a finished player by then.

So, I guess I haven't seen enough of him to rate him properly.

Statistically, he is a Pakistani great (not an ATG).

Same
I've heard he had a good team around him with the rajas, majids, saleems and asif etc
I've heard more about his on tour misdemeanours than any of his heroics apart from sharjah
 
Much better bat than Miandad. Miandad was a bit of a home track bully, Border averaged over 55 away

Thats true. If I was choosing All Time XI for 80s my middle order will be Viv Richards , Border & Gower / Lamb ( Lamb vs WI , Gower vs anybody else )
 
undoubtedly.

his back to back centuries in w.i. against quite possibly, the best pace attack the world has ever seen, is for me, one of the greatest batting performances of the modern era. more importantly, those centuries resulted in something impossible - a series draw in w.i- a feat neither gavasker nor border achieved in the eighties. in fact they never even won match in w.i in this period and i dont recall a competitive series in their home countries either. obviously imran khan's super human bowling performance had a lot to do with the result. but even then, those wins would not be possible without miandad's contribution given that pakistani batting lineup was inferior to that of w.i. the fact that series was a draw was a travesty. i was schoolboy who stayed up late at night to listen to the series on radio. the sense of anger i felt at the end of third test match stayed with me for a long time. that same feeling was to return when w.i. umpire pulled the same stunt at the end of third test match of 2000 series.

back to miandad, his contribution to pakistan was more than that he made with the bat. he is one of the most competitive cricketer i have ever seen. he bought real steel to the team which has not been replaced since he has retired. with him in the team, pakistan achieved unprecedented success in both versions. inzi might have been more talented but as a competitor he was no where close to miandad. wasim and waqar might have been equally competitive as miandad but both led the team down on various occasions. the debt pakistan cricket owes to miandad cannot be quantified.
 
For me ATGs are players who wud be in discussion for All Time World XIs

Viv Richards , Greg Chappel & Gavaskar are always part of discussion for such World XIs. Never seen Javed Miandad & Border part of such discussion. Thats the distinction for ATGs & Greats for me

Again its subjective - depends from person to person

It is subjective but someone like Ian Botham or Kapil Dev hardly make into discussion of all-time XI, so you won't call them ATG also? Or a Waqar Younis/ Rahul Dravid?
 
Miandad has a strong case to be categorized as an ATG for me due to his impact on world cricket, which has been higher than any other Pakistani batsman by a margin. Sure his record against the West Indies counts against him, but an away average of 45 is decent enough in a bowler-friendly era for him to creep across the line.
 
For me ATGs are players who wud be in discussion for All Time World XIs

Viv Richards , Greg Chappel & Gavaskar are always part of discussion for such World XIs. Never seen Javed Miandad & Border part of such discussion. Thats the distinction for ATGs & Greats for me

Again its subjective - depends from person to person

Need a tier between Miandad and Border tbh. Miandad was comparatively a htb
 
Malcolm Marshall also called Vengsarkar as the toughest batsman he played against

ps : Alan Lamb was unarguably best batsman against West Indies in 1980s

I disagree with the PS. Lamby averaged a very credible 39 in that period with six centuries.AB averaged 41 with, curiously, just two centuries though he averaged 74 away.
 
There were a total of 5 batsmen who played a substantial amount of cricket in 70's and 80's and averaged over 50. Miandad was one of them. There has to be serious argument against Miandad not being an ATG. A relative failure against possibly the best bowling side ever is not enough. Even then he played valuable innings against them.
 
Need a tier between Miandad and Border tbh. Miandad was comparatively a htb

Sure, Miandad's away average doesn't stack up for him to be a top-tier ATG, but then again neither does Border's average at home. The ability to score runs at home shouldn't be devalued churlishly.
 
It is subjective but someone like Ian Botham or Kapil Dev hardly make into discussion of all-time XI, so you won't call them ATG also? Or a Waqar Younis/ Rahul Dravid?

Kapil Dev is India great. Cannot really call him ATG - ar best borderline ATG due to his record against West Indies & ODI exploits. Botham is also borderline ATG ( based on his 1977-82 phase )

Imran wud be a proper ATG in test cricket
 
Sure, Miandad's away average doesn't stack up for him to be a top-tier ATG, but then again neither does Border's average at home. The ability to score runs at home shouldn't be devalued churlishly.

Overseas performances > Home performances always

Plus Javed had luxury of playing on very flat pitches at home unlike Border who had to deal with hard bouncy pitches even at home & face West Indies pacers too often
 
Kapil Dev is India great. Cannot really call him ATG - ar best borderline ATG due to his record against West Indies & ODI exploits. Botham is also borderline ATG ( based on his 1977-82 phase )

Imran wud be a proper ATG in test cricket

To each their own but the impact that cricketers like Ian Botham and Kapil Dev have can't be ignored. For me, both are ATGs just like Miandad and Dravid.
 
To each their own but the impact that cricketers like Ian Botham and Kapil Dev have can't be ignored. For me, both are ATGs just like Miandad and Dravid.

For me ATG should be very elite & exclusive group of at most 20-25 players

If we include Dravid , Kapil , Javed - then it wud be club of more than 100. It wud not be so exclusive & defy the defination of ATG
 
For me ATG should be very elite & exclusive group of at most 20-25 players

If we include Dravid , Kapil , Javed - then it wud be club of more than 100. It wud not be so exclusive & defy the defination of ATG

100? nope bro. I made the list in another thread for 25 greatest batsmen and all these names are in top 20. If we consider bowlers and all-rounders and spinners, we will have them all comfortably in top 50 list and that too over such a long period.
 
The game is not all about pure statistics.In test cricket Alan Border had a much better record away in his time averaging over 56 just like Steve Waugh .However it was Miandad who would niggle great opponents more than anyone and was the ultimate man to bat for your life.Viv Richards classed Javed with Gavaskar and Chappell amongst the best 3 bats of his time while Dennis Lille ranked him his 6th best ever.Few batsmen ever were such a scourge in the eyes of great bowlers as Miandad.He was not so technically refined or posssed as much majestic power as some but his game had elements of a genius in its own right.

He did not score as many runs against the best team of his time West Indies like Alan Border,Mohinder Amarnath,Alan Lamb,David Gower,Graham Gooch ,etc but at his best in 1988 was the best batsmen in the world in 1988 when aveaging over 57 in the Carribean.Although not so prolific in Australia at times he was one of the meanest bats like when scoring 135 at Perth in 1978-79 or 133 at Adelaide in 1983-84.

ODI's really elevated Javed to all-time great status when he shaped important victories as very few batting greats did in limited overs cricket.In 1987089 Miandad proved he was in the class of all-time greats when being a model of consistency in India,England and West Indies.

With sheer overseas stats in tests Javed may not join a Viv,Gavaskar or Tendulkar but if you asess effect in a crisis he was right up there.We must ask ourselves why so may experts selected Javed in an all-time test XI.He was not as mercurial as a Lara but when the chips were down could even overshadow him.Overall arguably amongst the 35 best cricketers of all time and amongst the top dozen batsmen ever.
 
For me ATG should be very elite & exclusive group of at most 20-25 players

If we include Dravid , Kapil , Javed - then it wud be club of more than 100. It wud not be so exclusive & defy the defination of ATG

I could name more than 100 all-time great players.The likes of Rohan Kanhai,Joel Garner,Hanif Mohammad,Gordon Greenidge,Aravinda De'Silva,Andy Roberts have missed out in selections of 100 best cricketers.by some experts.In just 25 best it is a distinct possibility that Gavaskar,Richard Hadlee,Wasim Akram,Glen Mcgrath ,Curtly Ambrose ,Greg Chapell or Ricky ponting would be excluded.Read books by Cristopher Martin Jenkins or John Woodcock on 100 best cricketers of all.
 
The game is not all about pure statistics.In test cricket Alan Border had a much better record away in his time averaging over 56 just like Steve Waugh .However it was Miandad who would niggle great opponents more than anyone and was the ultimate man to bat for your life.Viv Richards classed Javed with Gavaskar and Chappell amongst the best 3 bats of his time while Dennis Lille ranked him his 6th best ever.Few batsmen ever were such a scourge in the eyes of great bowlers as Miandad.He was not so technically refined or posssed as much majestic power as some but his game had elements of a genius in its own right.

He did not score as many runs against the best team of his time West Indies like Alan Border,Mohinder Amarnath,Alan Lamb,David Gower,Graham Gooch ,etc but at his best in 1988 was the best batsmen in the world in 1988 when aveaging over 57 in the Carribean.Although not so prolific in Australia at times he was one of the meanest bats like when scoring 135 at Perth in 1978-79 or 133 at Adelaide in 1983-84.

ODI's really elevated Javed to all-time great status when he shaped important victories as very few batting greats did in limited overs cricket.In 1987089 Miandad proved he was in the class of all-time greats when being a model of consistency in India,England and West Indies.

With sheer overseas stats in tests Javed may not join a Viv,Gavaskar or Tendulkar but if you asess effect in a crisis he was right up there.We must ask ourselves why so may experts selected Javed in an all-time test XI.He was not as mercurial as a Lara but when the chips were down could even overshadow him.Overall arguably amongst the 35 best cricketers of all time and amongst the top dozen batsmen ever.

Sorry 3rd para 1987-89 when Miandad at his peak
 
I could name more than 100 all-time great players.The likes of Rohan Kanhai,Joel Garner,Hanif Mohammad,Gordon Greenidge,Aravinda De'Silva,Andy Roberts have missed out in selections of 100 best cricketers.by some experts.In just 25 best it is a distinct possibility that Gavaskar,Richard Hadlee,Wasim Akram,Glen Mcgrath ,Curtly Ambrose ,Greg Chapell or Ricky ponting would be excluded.Read books by Cristopher Martin Jenkins or John Woodcock on 100 best cricketers of all.

Like I said its subjective. Rohan Kanhai was fantastic batsman & had terrific series in that iconic 1960-61 series - but his overall career falls short of ATG statue unlike his peer Garry Sobers

Andy Roberts was fantastic bowler who arguably best pace bowler of late 70s after Dennis Lilee but over career wise falls short of ATG unlike say Malcolm Marshall or Dennis Lilee who had more extended impactful career

I wud classify these players as Greats but not ATGs. Honestly if I have to choose top 10 fast bowlers ever - Roberts & Holding wud be borderline cases. Trueman , Lilee , Akram, Marshall , Hadlee , Dale Steyn , Imran ,McGrath wud be automatic choices. For me they are ATGs. The 9th & 10th spot wud be debated among Ambrose , Holding , Roberts , Donald & Willis ( some other names as well )
 
The game is not all about pure statistics.In test cricket Alan Border had a much better record away in his time averaging over 56 just like Steve Waugh .However it was Miandad who would niggle great opponents more than anyone and was the ultimate man to bat for your life.Viv Richards classed Javed with Gavaskar and Chappell amongst the best 3 bats of his time while Dennis Lille ranked him his 6th best ever.Few batsmen ever were such a scourge in the eyes of great bowlers as Miandad.He was not so technically refined or posssed as much majestic power as some but his game had elements of a genius in its own right.

He did not score as many runs against the best team of his time West Indies like Alan Border,Mohinder Amarnath,Alan Lamb,David Gower,Graham Gooch ,etc but at his best in 1988 was the best batsmen in the world in 1988 when aveaging over 57 in the Carribean.Although not so prolific in Australia at times he was one of the meanest bats like when scoring 135 at Perth in 1978-79 or 133 at Adelaide in 1983-84.

ODI's really elevated Javed to all-time great status when he shaped important victories as very few batting greats did in limited overs cricket.In 1987089 Miandad proved he was in the class of all-time greats when being a model of consistency in India,England and West Indies.

With sheer overseas stats in tests Javed may not join a Viv,Gavaskar or Tendulkar but if you asess effect in a crisis he was right up there.We must ask ourselves why so may experts selected Javed in an all-time test XI.He was not as mercurial as a Lara but when the chips were down could even overshadow him.Overall arguably amongst the 35 best cricketers of all time and amongst the top dozen batsmen ever.

Not sure where your argument is here. Border stepped up against the best more than anyone ever. His series in the WI at the climax of the Hughes issues was the best example of this, no batsmen carried his team so much vs the WI. The WI all considered him the best, justified due to his prowess vs them in the 80's.

Border was the most clutch ever, way more so than Miandad. Waugh, Smith and any other batsmen who have been considered clutch over the past 30 years have nothing on Border. That's how clutch he was
 
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No doubt ATG. Tony lewis bbc commentator declared he would have Maindad bat for his life ahead of Viv and Bordet, during their peome careers.
I still cherish the Mirror newspaper headline "Dial M for Murder" during Pak series in England.
Claims abouthome umpiring favouring Minadad is true for all batsmen, in Wngland Pak sufferedsome of the most boased umpiring ever many times beforeneutral umpires.
 
If people had been asked this question when he was on top of his game, they would probably have said he will be that without doubt.

Nowadays, due to his views on various things etc - its fashionable to discount him as nothing more than a good batsman.
 
Speaking on PCB podcast:

"Sunil Gavaskar was one of greatest players I have seen in my life. He faced the top bowlers of the world without wearing a helmet. He was so short but he never let anyone alone. Imran Khan used to tell us to follow Sunil Gavaskar,"

"Sunil was the best at concentration. I used to try to disturb him all the time. When he would be batting, I would be saying, 'Look, the catch is going to come to me'. When he got out, he used to complain about my chattering. I only have my salute for him"

https://thebridge.in/cricket/sunil-gavaskar-worlds-best-without-helmets-javed-miandad-30674
 
He changed the tide in Indo-Pak cricket rivalry with that 6 in 1986 Sharjah final. It would take another 17 years for tide to turn the other way, that Sachin 98 at Centurion. Not necessarily the best matches but both landmark matches in the rivalry with 2 iconic knocks.

Sachin 98 did not turn any kind of tide India had turned the tied in 99 WC. After that Pakistan lost any physiological edge it may have had over India.

Matches after 99 WC has been won whoever has played better cricket. That 2003 innings of Sachin rated only by Indians was an average innings which even involved a dropped catch. This innings would not even make Sachin own top 10 best innings.

That aging Pakistan bowling lineup was getting spanked by lesser cricketers such as Symonds. And indeed Pakistan crashed out playing very poor cricket in the group stages.
 
Sachin 98 did not turn any kind of tide India had turned the tied in 99 WC. After that Pakistan lost any physiological edge it may have had over India.

Matches after 99 WC has been won whoever has played better cricket. That 2003 innings of Sachin rated only by Indians was an average innings which even involved a dropped catch. This innings would not even make Sachin own top 10 best innings.

That aging Pakistan bowling lineup was getting spanked by lesser cricketers such as Symonds. And indeed Pakistan crashed out playing very poor cricket in the group stages.

Actually it was nothing to do with Sachin. Pakistan after 2003 lost many of its stalwars like Saeed Anwar , Wasim Akram , Waqar Younis and went into rebuilding phase. India on the other embarked on a new era wiit new players like Sehwag, Yuvraj, Gambhir , Zaheer, Dhoni , Suresh Raina, Harbhajan - which tunred the tide against Pakistan

Post 2003 India has the better team and squad for most part - except for phases like 2012-13
 
If people had been asked this question when he was on top of his game, they would probably have said he will be that without doubt.

Nowadays, due to his views on various things etc - its fashionable to discount him as nothing more than a good batsman.

This is exactly it - this new fashion to bring down any pak player from the 80s and 90s. Sorry to say though this fashion is limited to PP.

It’s amazing how many Indians have commented on this thread!

I expect Indians to bring down miandad, I would probably do that too with some Indian players due to unconscious bias.

It’s our Pakistani posters I am very disappointed with who are too scared to go against the Indian posters and some kid called Mamoon who was probably too young to have even watched cricket in the 80s and 90s.

Miandad for anyone who knows anything about cricket is a sure fire, locked in All Time Great. Not borderline. He is right up there
 
Actually it was nothing to do with Sachin. Pakistan after 2003 lost many of its stalwars like Saeed Anwar , Wasim Akram , Waqar Younis and went into rebuilding phase. India on the other embarked on a new era wiit new players like Sehwag, Yuvraj, Gambhir , Zaheer, Dhoni , Suresh Raina, Harbhajan - which tunred the tide against Pakistan

Post 2003 India has the better team and squad for most part - except for phases like 2012-13

On the contrary Pakistan record in the 2000s was pretty even with india in tests and odis against each other

Its in the 2010s onwards where india started to run away from pakistan convincingly
 
On the contrary Pakistan record in the 2000s was pretty even with india in tests and odis against each other

Its in the 2010s onwards where india started to run away from pakistan convincingly

Correct, there's a bit of a myth about 2003 being a turning point for IND-PAK head to head record especially in ODIs.

No doubt it was a fabulous innings from Sachin, and while India also won the famous Jeet Lo Dil series the following year - Pakistan went on an impressive run vs India under Bob Woolmer and Inzamam.

They won the 2004 Asia Cup, Champions Trophy and the BCCI Platinum Jubilee encounters before a brilliant 4-2 win away in India. Is that a sign of a mental block vs India ?

India won the 2006 and 2007 ODI series, but Pakistan remained competitive winning in the 2008 Asia Cup, 2008 Kitply Cup, 2009 Champions Trophy and the 2012/13 series in India even after the Mohali heartbreak.

For me, the real turning point was the 2015 WC match. Pakistan were not even competitive and India didn't need to get out of 2nd gear totally outclassing us in all departments. Since then, frankly we've been lucky not to play India more often.
 
Correct, there's a bit of a myth about 2003 being a turning point for IND-PAK head to head record especially in ODIs.

No doubt it was a fabulous innings from Sachin, and while India also won the famous Jeet Lo Dil series the following year - Pakistan went on an impressive run vs India under Bob Woolmer and Inzamam.

They won the 2004 Asia Cup, Champions Trophy and the BCCI Platinum Jubilee encounters before a brilliant 4-2 win away in India. Is that a sign of a mental block vs India ?

India won the 2006 and 2007 ODI series, but Pakistan remained competitive winning in the 2008 Asia Cup, 2008 Kitply Cup, 2009 Champions Trophy and the 2012/13 series in India even after the Mohali heartbreak.

For me, the real turning point was the 2015 WC match. Pakistan were not even competitive and India didn't need to get out of 2nd gear totally outclassing us in all departments. Since then, frankly we've been lucky not to play India more often.

Also won in the 2014 Asia cup.

Pakistan losing Ajmal and Hafeez severely dented the team going into the 2015 WC especially since Junaid and Gul had also gotten injured and Amir had not returned.
 
These things are always subjective as to where/how you define ATG- is it only the #1 all time combined world XI who can be atg? In which case, probably not.

In Oz every old timer I've spoken to regard Javed fondly and as a great bat. I caught the end of his career and he was fun to watch. I remember him churning out clever runs in the 92 WC with placement & running. He was cagey/careful at times but he had to be- the youngsters needed someone to bat around.

I'd say he's about the level of Allan Border- who in my mind is unquestionably an ATG. Border played 156 Tests & Javed 124, so if you adjust for # of Tests played (add 25% or so to Javeds run/century tally) they have very, very similar records.

Javed was clearly the better ODI player also, with both winning a WC in foreign conditions- Javed with an impressively consistent tournament holding an inexperienced batting unit together with key (arguably matchwinning/setting) knocks in both the Semi & the Final.

On that front, I'd happily list Javed as an ATG, because Border certainly is and its a good contemporary from the era to judge by.
 
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Only thing going against Javed Miandad as true ATG is away average. Away average of above 50+ is really tough to achieve. Even Brian Lara could not achieve that. If Lara gets to be ATG then Miandad has a case too.

Test Batsman with 45+ away average (min 2000 runs)
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DG Bradman (AUS) [/td][td]1930-1948 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]2674 [/td][td]102.84 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KF Barrington (ENG) [/td][td]1960-1968 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]3459 [/td][td]69.18 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WR Hammond (ENG) [/td][td]1927-1947 [/td][td]41 [/td][td]4245 [/td][td]66.32 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SPD Smith (AUS) [/td][td]2013-2022 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]3835 [/td][td]59.92 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JB Hobbs (ENG) [/td][td]1908-1929 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]3475 [/td][td]59.91 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border (AUS) [/td][td]1979-1994 [/td][td]70 [/td][td]5431 [/td][td]56.57 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Waugh (AUS) [/td][td]1986-2003 [/td][td]76 [/td][td]5083 [/td][td]55.85 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]L Hutton (ENG) [/td][td]1938-1955 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]3041 [/td][td]55.29 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar (INDIA) [/td][td]1989-2012 [/td][td]106 [/td][td]8705 [/td][td]54.74 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GC Smith (ICC/SA) [/td][td]2003-2012 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]4854 [/td][td]53.93 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis (ICC/SA) [/td][td]1997-2012 [/td][td]74 [/td][td]5919 [/td][td]53.8 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ER Dexter (ENG) [/td][td]1959-1965 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]2307 [/td][td]53.65 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KC Sangakkara (SL) [/td][td]2000-2015 [/td][td]53 [/td][td]4888 [/td][td]53.13 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Dravid (ICC/INDIA) [/td][td]1996-2012 [/td][td]94 [/td][td]7690 [/td][td]53.03 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Chappell (AUS) [/td][td]1972-1983 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]2595 [/td][td]52.95 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]1971-1986 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]5055 [/td][td]52.11 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Amarnath (INDIA) [/td][td]1976-1986 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]3008 [/td][td]51.86 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RN Harvey (AUS) [/td][td]1948-1961 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]3343 [/td][td]51.43 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Amiss (ENG) [/td][td]1972-1977 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]2002 [/td][td]51.33 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Flower (ZIM) [/td][td]1993-2002 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]2307 [/td][td]51.26 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Sobers (WI) [/td][td]1956-1973 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]3957 [/td][td]50.73 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AB de Villiers (SA) [/td][td]2005-2015 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]3396 [/td][td]50.68 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards (WI) [/td][td]1974-1991 [/td][td]73 [/td][td]5404 [/td][td]50.5 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AC Gilchrist (AUS) [/td][td]2000-2006 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]2512 [/td][td]50.24 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ED Weekes (WI) [/td][td]1948-1957 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]2035 [/td][td]49.63 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]EH Hendren (ENG) [/td][td]1920-1935 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]2329 [/td][td]49.55 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan (PAK) [/td][td]2000-2017 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]5608 [/td][td]48.76 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten (SA) [/td][td]1993-2004 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]3905 [/td][td]48.2 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Lara (ICC/WI) [/td][td]1990-2006 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]5736 [/td][td]47.8 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DR Martyn (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2006 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]2270 [/td][td]47.29 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Boycott (ENG) [/td][td]1964-1982 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]3758 [/td][td]46.97 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Lloyd (WI) [/td][td]1966-1985 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]4634 [/td][td]46.8 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Kanhai (WI) [/td][td]1957-1973 [/td][td]39 [/td][td]3163 [/td][td]46.51 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BF Butcher (WI) [/td][td]1958-1969 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]2367 [/td][td]46.41 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Chanderpaul (WI) [/td][td]1994-2015 [/td][td]81 [/td][td]5579 [/td][td]46.1 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DI Gower (ENG) [/td][td]1978-1991 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]3777 [/td][td]46.06 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Root (ENG) [/td][td]2012-2022 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]4593 [/td][td]45.93 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SP Fleming (NZ) [/td][td]1994-2007 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]4225 [/td][td]45.92 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Inzamam-ul-Haq (ICC/PAK) [/td][td]1992-2007 [/td][td]68 [/td][td]4821 [/td][td]45.91 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RT Ponting (AUS) [/td][td]1996-2012 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]5360 [/td][td]45.81 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad (PAK) [/td][td]1976-1993 [/td][td]64 [/td][td]4351 [/td][td]45.8 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Cook (ENG) [/td][td]2006-2018 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]5295 [/td][td]45.64 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Anwar (PAK) [/td][td]1994-2001 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]2135 [/td][td]45.42 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Katich (AUS) [/td][td]2001-2010 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]2497 [/td][td]45.4 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[/table]
 
Only thing going against Javed Miandad as true ATG is away average. Away average of above 50+ is really tough to achieve. Even Brian Lara could not achieve that. If Lara gets to be ATG then Miandad has a case too.

Test Batsman with 45+ away average (min 2000 runs)
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DG Bradman (AUS) [/td][td]1930-1948 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]2674 [/td][td]102.84 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KF Barrington (ENG) [/td][td]1960-1968 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]3459 [/td][td]69.18 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WR Hammond (ENG) [/td][td]1927-1947 [/td][td]41 [/td][td]4245 [/td][td]66.32 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SPD Smith (AUS) [/td][td]2013-2022 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]3835 [/td][td]59.92 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JB Hobbs (ENG) [/td][td]1908-1929 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]3475 [/td][td]59.91 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border (AUS) [/td][td]1979-1994 [/td][td]70 [/td][td]5431 [/td][td]56.57 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Waugh (AUS) [/td][td]1986-2003 [/td][td]76 [/td][td]5083 [/td][td]55.85 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]L Hutton (ENG) [/td][td]1938-1955 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]3041 [/td][td]55.29 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar (INDIA) [/td][td]1989-2012 [/td][td]106 [/td][td]8705 [/td][td]54.74 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GC Smith (ICC/SA) [/td][td]2003-2012 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]4854 [/td][td]53.93 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis (ICC/SA) [/td][td]1997-2012 [/td][td]74 [/td][td]5919 [/td][td]53.8 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ER Dexter (ENG) [/td][td]1959-1965 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]2307 [/td][td]53.65 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KC Sangakkara (SL) [/td][td]2000-2015 [/td][td]53 [/td][td]4888 [/td][td]53.13 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Dravid (ICC/INDIA) [/td][td]1996-2012 [/td][td]94 [/td][td]7690 [/td][td]53.03 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Chappell (AUS) [/td][td]1972-1983 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]2595 [/td][td]52.95 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]1971-1986 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]5055 [/td][td]52.11 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Amarnath (INDIA) [/td][td]1976-1986 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]3008 [/td][td]51.86 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RN Harvey (AUS) [/td][td]1948-1961 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]3343 [/td][td]51.43 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Amiss (ENG) [/td][td]1972-1977 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]2002 [/td][td]51.33 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]A Flower (ZIM) [/td][td]1993-2002 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]2307 [/td][td]51.26 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Sobers (WI) [/td][td]1956-1973 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]3957 [/td][td]50.73 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AB de Villiers (SA) [/td][td]2005-2015 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]3396 [/td][td]50.68 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards (WI) [/td][td]1974-1991 [/td][td]73 [/td][td]5404 [/td][td]50.5 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AC Gilchrist (AUS) [/td][td]2000-2006 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]2512 [/td][td]50.24 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ED Weekes (WI) [/td][td]1948-1957 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]2035 [/td][td]49.63 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]EH Hendren (ENG) [/td][td]1920-1935 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]2329 [/td][td]49.55 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan (PAK) [/td][td]2000-2017 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]5608 [/td][td]48.76 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten (SA) [/td][td]1993-2004 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]3905 [/td][td]48.2 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Lara (ICC/WI) [/td][td]1990-2006 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]5736 [/td][td]47.8 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DR Martyn (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2006 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]2270 [/td][td]47.29 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Boycott (ENG) [/td][td]1964-1982 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]3758 [/td][td]46.97 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Lloyd (WI) [/td][td]1966-1985 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]4634 [/td][td]46.8 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Kanhai (WI) [/td][td]1957-1973 [/td][td]39 [/td][td]3163 [/td][td]46.51 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BF Butcher (WI) [/td][td]1958-1969 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]2367 [/td][td]46.41 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Chanderpaul (WI) [/td][td]1994-2015 [/td][td]81 [/td][td]5579 [/td][td]46.1 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DI Gower (ENG) [/td][td]1978-1991 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]3777 [/td][td]46.06 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Root (ENG) [/td][td]2012-2022 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]4593 [/td][td]45.93 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SP Fleming (NZ) [/td][td]1994-2007 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]4225 [/td][td]45.92 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Inzamam-ul-Haq (ICC/PAK) [/td][td]1992-2007 [/td][td]68 [/td][td]4821 [/td][td]45.91 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RT Ponting (AUS) [/td][td]1996-2012 [/td][td]71 [/td][td]5360 [/td][td]45.81 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad (PAK) [/td][td]1976-1993 [/td][td]64 [/td][td]4351 [/td][td]45.8 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Cook (ENG) [/td][td]2006-2018 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]5295 [/td][td]45.64 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Anwar (PAK) [/td][td]1994-2001 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]2135 [/td][td]45.42 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Katich (AUS) [/td][td]2001-2010 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]2497 [/td][td]45.4 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Where is Amla, Kohli and KP in the list?
 
Where is Amla, Kohli and KP in the list?
All 3 player's away average is below 45

List of batsman with away test batting average between 40 and 45 (min 2000 runs)


[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MC Cowdrey (ENG) [/td][td]1954-1975 [/td][td]59 [/td][td]4087 [/td][td]44.91 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf (PAK) [/td][td]1998-2010 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]4174 [/td][td]44.88 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla (SA) [/td][td]2004-2018 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]3755 [/td][td]44.7 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Sehwag (ICC/INDIA) [/td][td]2001-2012 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]3930 [/td][td]44.65 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AJ Strauss (ENG) [/td][td]2004-2012 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]2842 [/td][td]44.4 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]PD Collingwood (ENG) [/td][td]2003-2011 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]2525 [/td][td]44.29 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GP Thorpe (ENG) [/td][td]1994-2005 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]3401 [/td][td]44.16 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KP Pietersen (ENG) [/td][td]2005-2014 [/td][td]48 [/td][td]3577 [/td][td]44.16 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Simpson (AUS) [/td][td]1957-1978 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]2426 [/td][td]44.1 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DJ Cullinan (SA) [/td][td]1993-2001 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]2191 [/td][td]43.82 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Gayle (WI) [/td][td]2000-2013 [/td][td]48 [/td][td]3633 [/td][td]43.77 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Taylor (AUS) [/td][td]1989-1998 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]3532 [/td][td]43.6 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TT Samaraweera (SL) [/td][td]2002-2013 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]2339 [/td][td]43.31 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli (INDIA) [/td][td]2011-2022 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]4139 [/td][td]43.11 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IM Chappell (AUS) [/td][td]1966-1975 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]2624 [/td][td]43.01 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HH Gibbs (SA) [/td][td]1996-2007 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]3112 [/td][td]42.63 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hanif Mohammad (PAK) [/td][td]1952-1967 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]2302 [/td][td]42.62 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]VVS Laxman (INDIA) [/td][td]1997-2012 [/td][td]77 [/td][td]5014 [/td][td]42.49 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HA Gomes (WI) [/td][td]1976-1987 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]2167 [/td][td]42.49 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AI Kallicharran (WI) [/td][td]1973-1981 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]2586 [/td][td]42.39 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MEK Hussey (AUS) [/td][td]2006-2012 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]2372 [/td][td]42.35 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]APE Knott (ENG) [/td][td]1968-1977 [/td][td]39 [/td][td]2198 [/td][td]42.26 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Crowe (NZ) [/td][td]1983-1995 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]3043 [/td][td]42.26 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]1974-1990 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]4349 [/td][td]42.22 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IR Redpath (AUS) [/td][td]1964-1974 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]2343 [/td][td]41.83 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) [/td][td]2001-2017 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]2844 [/td][td]41.82 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JL Langer (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2006 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]3130 [/td][td]41.73 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden (AUS) [/td][td]1994-2008 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]3169 [/td][td]41.69 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SC Ganguly (INDIA) [/td][td]1996-2008 [/td][td]63 [/td][td]4032 [/td][td]41.56 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DPMD Jayawardene (SL) [/td][td]1998-2014 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]4317 [/td][td]41.5 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ME Waugh (AUS) [/td][td]1991-2002 [/td][td]64 [/td][td]3930 [/td][td]41.36 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Tamim Iqbal (BAN) [/td][td]2008-2022 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]2228 [/td][td]41.25 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KS Williamson (NZ) [/td][td]2010-2021 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]2736 [/td][td]40.83 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Clarke (AUS) [/td][td]2004-2015 [/td][td]58 [/td][td]3793 [/td][td]40.78 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TM Dilshan (SL) [/td][td]1999-2013 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]2433 [/td][td]40.55 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AM Rahane (INDIA) [/td][td]2013-2022 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]3223 [/td][td]40.28 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DC Boon (AUS) [/td][td]1985-1995 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]2881 [/td][td]40.01 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
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Easily and ATG ,and top 5 batter in his peak time. Was rated by some uncluding Tony Lewis as batsman tobatfor your life. He was not ony a greatTest bat but also a great ODI player. Arguments of flat pitches at home and biased home umpiresapplies to all Asian batsmen mainly, and either way all batsmen play should play better in home conditions flat, spinning, seaming or bouncy as they are groomed on tvosepitches. A batsman whose average never dipped from 50 , how can he not be ATG.
 
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One batsman who i wish i had seen playing during his days
 
Hashan Tilikaratne met Javed Miandad at his house today

Sri Lanka assistant coach Lanka de Silva and Trainer Dharshana Weerasinghe also accompanied Tilikaratne. Faisal Iqbal was also present in the meeting.

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ATG.

When Viv Richards picks Miandad as the man to bat to save his life, that says it all.
 
Happy Birthday to the legend!

Born: June 12, 1957 (age 65 years), Karachi, Pakistan
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 1957. Javed Miandad was born in Karachi. He made 163 in his 1st Test innings & is one of only 2 men to have a Test average that never dropped under 50. He scored 206 in his 4th Test innings & made 6 double-hundreds. He also hit the most famous 6 in history <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/dy1Ks1ZYkS">pic.twitter.com/dy1Ks1ZYkS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1535881245904842752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 12, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Pakistan's GOAT all format batter. ATG in the world.

Scored 9 consecutive 50s. Still a record.

The only downside of his career is that he should have scored more centuries. 24 centuries in 110+ tests are a little too few.

But he made sure his runs were match winning.
 
Pakistan's GOAT all format batter. ATG in the world.

Scored 9 consecutive 50s. Still a record.

The only downside of his career is that he should have scored more centuries. 24 centuries in 110+ tests are a little too few.

But he made sure his runs were match winning.

How does a batsman ensure his runs are match winning without his bowlers taking 20 opposition wickets?
 
One needs to read Steve Waugh's book to know how much of an ATG he is.
 
ATG. No one has seriously questioned his ATG status. He has great peer review, great records. I saw all of JM's career and he was top draw.
 
How does a batsman ensure his runs are match winning without his bowlers taking 20 opposition wickets?

ODIs bro. Like I said had 9 consecutive 50+ scores at one point.

Although I meant ODIs but in tests, Pak had a strong bowling attack in 80s.
 
If Javed isn't an ATG then no one is. A street fighter to the core every top bowler of his generation has spoken of his ability. Considered one of the most prized wickets during his time Javed was the real deal. Okay he wasn't the most entertaining to watch but surely guarded his wicket like his life. Viv Richards said if he had to choose anyone to bat for his life it would be Javed. So many times we saw Javed save Pak scoring over a 100 in a total of 330 or something.
 
I would like to add that I would rank only Richards above him in that era, but then again Richards is arguably the greatest modern era batsman, the best since WWII, a seminal player who changed the game. When it comes to clutch performances, Miandad is above even Greg Chappell, or anyone else from that era. In his case, you knew how great he was from the first moment he came on the scene, there was no need to wait for retrospective judgment.
 
I didnt get to watch his prime but from all accounts his peers hold him among the top 2-3 of his era That for me tells me everything about how good Javed was
 
I didnt get to watch his prime but from all accounts his peers hold him among the top 2-3 of his era That for me tells me everything about how good Javed was

Of all the unbelievable things about him, the most unbelievable was that at some ungodly young age he landed fully formed in international cricket, facing the greatest bowlers of all time with aplomb. I see batsmen going through learning curves, long and short, but he was fully formed, mature, complete, from the start. I can't fathom how that could have happened.
 
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