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Is Javed Miandad an ATG or only a Pakistani Great?

If its no 5 position then inzi is better option....
Why?
Javed batted at 4, he can definitely adjust to 5. Averages 58 in the 20 tests that he played at 5.

Inzi had problems against Aus and Sa, Miandad struggled against Windies but overall still better than Inzi against top teams.
 
Our greatest Test Batsman is Younis Khan no matter how much people try to deny it.

Inzimam and Mohammad Yousuf the more complete players who also did very well in ODI cricket.

Babar Azam well set to overtake all of them InshaAllah
Wow, there was a time when Rana supported Babar 😀
 
Atg especially considering era and bowlers he played against.

Also, never really had huge dips in form, from age 17 onwards, barring last couple years he should have retired early.
 
The only people who question Miandad's ATG status are those who never saw him play. If you ever choose to do your research or ask people who watched him play or players who played alongside him, they will never question his greatness.
 
Are the current lot so useless you have to go back to dinosaur ages for the last decent player.. can you see Aussies living of in the 70s… only in pak
 
The only people who question Miandad's ATG status are those who never saw him play. If you ever choose to do your research or ask people who watched him play or players who played alongside him, they will never question his greatness.
The impact of Neutral umpiring on Miandad's stats are shining like a moon.
Miandad never got lbw at home in first 10 years of his career, while he was lbw abroad far more than top batters of the era.
As soon as neutral umpiring was introduced, His home stats dipped.

Miandad remains in the memory because of his last ball 6 against Chetan Sharma, nothing else.
Before neutral umpires :Miandad 12 home centuries,
After neutral umpires: Miandad 2 home centuries,


I will thank Imran Khan for exposing the fraud that was Miandad with neutral umpiring initiative in tests.
 
The impact of Neutral umpiring on Miandad's stats are shining like a moon.
Miandad never got lbw at home in first 10 years of his career, while he was lbw abroad far more than top batters of the era.
As soon as neutral umpiring was introduced, His home stats dipped.

Miandad remains in the memory because of his last ball 6 against Chetan Sharma, nothing else.
Before neutral umpires :Miandad 12 home centuries,
After neutral umpires: Miandad 2 home centuries,


I will thank Imran Khan for exposing the fraud that was Miandad with neutral umpiring initiative in tests.
A little correction.
Miandad at home: before neutral umpires ( till 1985)
Tests: 36 Average: 81, Test centuries 11

Miandad at home : after neutral umpires (1986 onwards, even here not all tests had neutral umpires, 2 of his centuries are with Pakistani umpires)
Tests: 24, Average: 38, Test centuries: 3 (2 with Pakistani umpires and 1 with neutral umpires)
I am sure with further dissection based on neutral umpires, his HOME average would be close to MIGHTY 30.

Post Nov 1986: Miandad was out 6 out of his 32 innings as LBW,
Before Nov 1986: It was only 1985 he was given lbw 2 times out of his 53 home innings.

LBW out percentage at home shoots up from 3.7% to 18.75%.
Home average dipped by more 50%


What miraculous thing happened to his legs and averages from 1986?? One can only wonder
:ik
 
The impact of Neutral umpiring on Miandad's stats are shining like a moon.
Miandad never got lbw at home in first 10 years of his career, while he was lbw abroad far more than top batters of the era.
As soon as neutral umpiring was introduced, His home stats dipped.

Miandad remains in the memory because of his last ball 6 against Chetan Sharma, nothing else.
Before neutral umpires :Miandad 12 home centuries,
After neutral umpires: Miandad 2 home centuries,


I will thank Imran Khan for exposing the fraud that was Miandad with neutral umpiring initiative in tests.
I thought I'd seen it all but this takes the cake when it comes to desperate, strawman arguments. I guess Chetan Sharma six did more damage to the psyche of certain Indians than I had thought
 
I thought I'd seen it all but this takes the cake when it comes to desperate, strawman arguments. I guess Chetan Sharma six did more damage to the psyche of certain Indians than I had thought
Do you know what "strawman fallacy" is? or just like to throw random words you hear about??
Maybe hard objective facts affect trouble your "psyche"
:kp
 
Do you know what "strawman fallacy" is? or just like to throw random words you hear about??
Maybe hard objective facts affect trouble your "psyche"
:kp
No I think it's the fact that Miandad always bashed India's pathetic bowlers that you have to come up with such desperate arguments to bring him down. As if neutral umpires only affected him and not other players who played during that era. But I get it. That one Sharjah six traumatized a generation of Indian fans, and I guess that trauma was passed down to the children and grandchildren too. :kp
 
A little correction.
Miandad at home: before neutral umpires ( till 1985)
Tests: 36 Average: 81, Test centuries 11

Miandad at home : after neutral umpires (1986 onwards, even here not all tests had neutral umpires, 2 of his centuries are with Pakistani umpires)
Tests: 24, Average: 38, Test centuries: 3 (2 with Pakistani umpires and 1 with neutral umpires)
I am sure with further dissection based on neutral umpires, his HOME average would be close to MIGHTY 30.

Post Nov 1986: Miandad was out 6 out of his 32 innings as LBW,
Before Nov 1986: It was only 1985 he was given lbw 2 times out of his 53 home innings.

LBW out percentage at home shoots up from 3.7% to 18.75%.
Home average dipped by more 50%


What miraculous thing happened to his legs and averages from 1986?? One can only wonder
:ik
This is exactly how I remember him. Most of runs at home are due to extremely biased home umpires. They never gave him out and his stats reflect that. He was one of the major reasons for neutral umpires being brought into the game. Such a player’s star has no validity irrespective how good he was. Nothing he achieved at home before neutral umpires should be part of his over all stats
 
No I think it's the fact that Miandad always bashed India's pathetic bowlers that you have to come up with such desperate arguments to bring him down. As if neutral umpires only affected him and not other players who played during that era. But I get it. That one Sharjah six traumatized a generation of Indian fans, and I guess that trauma was passed down to the children and grandchildren too. :kp
Lol, your trauma is so intense that facts are arguments
:hamster:
 
No I think it's the fact that Miandad always bashed India's pathetic bowlers that you have to come up with such desperate arguments to bring him down. As if neutral umpires only affected him and not other players who played during that era. But I get it. That one Sharjah six traumatized a generation of Indian fans, and I guess that trauma was passed down to the children and grandchildren too. :kp
Strawman ki definition mili ??
 
You're mistaking with someone who is Indian and watched Chetan Sharma get torched before their eyes
your posts are just validating my earlier posts!!
:ROFLMAO:

Carry on! Its funny Pakistanis latching onto legacy created on cheating and fixing. No wonder the new generation of Pakistan couldnt have role models for the modern game.

Miandad was a good batsman with stats inflated by biased umpiring half his career and one super iconic moment of last ball 6. But he is nowhere to earn place in ATGs of cricket.
For me I fondly remember his go slow innings of 92 and 96 world Cup. Sweet Sweet memories!
:kp
 
your posts are just validating my earlier posts!!
:ROFLMAO:

Carry on! Its funny Pakistanis latching onto legacy created on cheating and fixing. No wonder the new generation of Pakistan couldnt have role models for the modern game.

Miandad was a good batsman with stats inflated by biased umpiring half his career and one super iconic moment of last ball 6. But he is nowhere to earn place in ATGs of cricket.
For me I fondly remember his go slow innings of 92 and 96 world Cup. Sweet Sweet memories!
:kp
You know, I’ve seen a lot of weird and unique ways of decoding cricket stats, but the neutral umpire statistical breakdown is without a doubt the dumbest and most desperate attempt at lessening a player’s legacy I’ve ever seen.

And even that’s not a real statistical breakdown. It's the most cherry-picked, self-serving statistical breakdown that only looks at his home numbers. Where are the numbers of other prominent players from that era before and after neutral umpires? Here's a groundbreaking idea for you - maybe he started declining because he was pushing past 30? Did that cross your mind? It's amazing how you expect anyone to take you seriously after coming up with something like this.

And it seems like you actually sat down, went through the effort of researching this and coming to this hypothesis which just makes it even funnier. But sure give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done.:ashwin
 
You know, I’ve seen a lot of weird and unique ways of decoding cricket stats, but the neutral umpire statistical breakdown is without a doubt the dumbest and most desperate attempt at lessening a player’s legacy I’ve ever seen.

And even that’s not a real statistical breakdown. It's the most cherry-picked, self-serving statistical breakdown that only looks at his home numbers. Where are the numbers of other prominent players from that era before and after neutral umpires? Here's a groundbreaking idea for you - maybe he started declining because he was pushing past 30? Did that cross your mind? It's amazing how you expect anyone to take you seriously after coming up with something like this.

And it seems like you actually sat down, went through the effort of researching this and coming to this hypothesis which just makes it even funnier. But sure give yourself a pat on the back for a job well done.:ashwin
No other player suffered such a drastic dip in performance.
A dip of 43 average is not a minor thing nor is suddenly getting out lbw. Its your choice to ignore that.
I could share the complete data if the mods remove restrictions on my account. I remember doing data analysis on neutral umpiring and lbw last year. Pakistan and WI were the most guilty of home umpire bias. and individually Miandad has benefitted the most from biased umpiring.
 
Javed Miandad has a mixed legacy. His test record was definitely helped by biased hometown umpiring

But at the same time he was a terrific ODI player who innovated new shots & gameplay - rotating strikes , taking quick 1s & 2s. He played a big role in 1992 WC triumph ( bigger than Imran's performances )

So credit where its due
 
Atg especially considering era and bowlers he played against.

Also, never really had huge dips in form, from age 17 onwards, barring last couple years he should have retired early.
His batting average in Test never dipped below 50 throughout his career
 
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