Is Jonny Bairstow an ATG ODI opener?

[Ab Fan]

Averages 48 at a strike rate of 104.

Among openers, only Rohit has a better average than him but his strike rate is also lower.

Discuss!

 

[Mamoon]

Among the best for sure. He is a brilliant LOI player and an underrated Test batsman.

Certainly among the best ODI openers of the 21st century along with Rohit, Dilshan, Sehwag, Gilchrist, Hayden and de Kock.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

On flat pitches, yes. Anything that isn't flat, he is a walking wicket.

Rohit, Dhawan, de Kock are far better.

 

[Robert]

Plays in an era of flat decks and not many really good fast bowlers. Not a Haynes or Trescothick or Tendulkar or Mark Waugh.

 

[Ab Fan]

Top 5 England ODI batsman:-

Jos Buttler
Jonny Bairstow
Kevin Pietersen
Joe Root
Eoin Morgan

 

[Ab Fan]

On flat pitches, yes. Anything that isn't flat, he is a walking wicket.

Rohit, Dhawan, de Kock are far better.

They all play on flat wickets.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Among the best for sure. He is a brilliant LOI player and an underrated Test batsman.

Certainly among the best ODI openers of the 21st century along with Rohit, Dilshan, Sehwag, Gilchrist, Hayden and de Kock.

A very good LOI player. A mediocre test bastmen, 1 good year of test cricket doesnt make you underated.

Like so many good white ball players he can hit through the line and hammers bowlers when playing on roads.

 

[Hasan123]

A top class LO player. Not an ATG for me.

 

[Rayyman]

Averages 48 at a strike rate of 104.

Among openers, only Rohit has a better average than him but his strike rate is also lower.

Discuss!

Never look at English batsman’s statistics.

The batting conditions these guys play in is not even cricket.

 

[Bilal7]

A good player but definitely not an ATG yet. Let's see how he ends his career. The two best ODI openers of all-time are Hashim Amla and Sachin Tendulker. Yes, both were chokers, but that does not matter when you consider the records that both have broken while being able to bat on any sort of surface.

ATG ODI team:

1) Hashim Amla
2) Sachin Tendulker
3) Ricky Ponting (Kohli should be able to displace him when he retires)
4) Viv Richards
5) AB de Villiers
6) MS Dhoni (wk)
7) Imran Khan (c)
8) Saqlain Mushtaq
9) Wasim Akram
10) Glenn McGrath
11) Joel Garner

12) Muralitharan

 

[Mamoon]

Hashim Amla.

 

[Adil_94]

Looool Amla in an all time ODI XI.

 

[Adil_94]

Wouldnt say hes an ATG but hes a world class opener for sure but with the way he gets exposed time and time again in Tests. He is a very good FTB but any bit of lateral movement and he struggles.

Would defo be one of the best ODI openers of this era after Rohit n Dhawan

 

[Hasan123]

Rohit
Dhwaan
Roy
Bairstow
De Kock
Sangakkara
Gibbs
Gilchrist
Hayden
Ganguly
Warner


All of these are better LO players than Amla. Didn't even name any middle order players because I don't wanna humiliate Bilal anymore.

 

[Mamoon]

Rohit
Dhwaan
Roy
Bairstow
De Kock
Sangakkara
Gibbs
Gilchrist
Hayden
Ganguly
Warner


All of these are better LO players than Amla. Didn't even name any middle order players because I don't wanna humiliate Bilal anymore.

You forgot Kirsten. Amla is not even among the top 3 best South African ODI openers.

Zero impact player.

 

[sam_ahm]

Not that it matters to me or anyone, but in Hashim's defence and obviously being a fan I will, 8000+ ODI runs at an Avg of 49.5, SR 88, 27 hundreds and fastest to 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, and 7000 ODI runs.

If that is ZERO impact, then I pity the quality of discussion here.

Despite all that I do agree, he is not good enough to be in all time ODI XI, but surely a top class LOI batsman.

 

[rhony]

We will know his ATG status in a couple of years but those pick up shots!!WOW!! Just mesmerizing.

 

[shah_1]

He is the best opener in the world

Avg 52.41 and SR 108.89 can't be matched by anyone in modern day cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is the best opener in the world

Avg 52.41 and SR 108.89 can't be matched by anyone in modern day cricket.

In last 4 years,

Rohit Avg 64, S/R 95
Bairstow Avg 52, S/R 108
Dhawan Avg 47, S/R 98
Roy Avg 40, S/R 108
Finch Avg 53, S/R 87

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...7;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting

 

[Mobashir]

Probably the best going around. No one come close to his SR with an that good average.

 

[shah_1]

In last 4 years,

Rohit Avg 64, S/R 95
Bairstow Avg 52, S/R 108
Dhawan Avg 47, S/R 98
Roy Avg 40, S/R 108
Finch Avg 53, S/R 87

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...7;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting

Of course Johnny Bairstow is the best because of his consistency and high strike rate

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

His shots today were INCREDIBLE.

Damn....

He averages 48 in WC too (tho didn't perform in SF and Finals).

This guy is a serious impact player.

Let's see how his career progresses.

Not that it matters to me or anyone, but in Hashim's defence and obviously being a fan I will, 8000+ ODI runs at an Avg of 49.5, SR 88, 27 hundreds and fastest to 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, and 7000 ODI runs.

If that is ZERO impact, then I pity the quality of discussion here.

Despite all that I do agree, he is not good enough to be in all time ODI XI, but surely a top class LOI batsman.

Absolutely.

But in modern LOI, you need performance in tournaments more so than in the past.

Amla has been very consistent and a match winner for SA in bilaterals tho.

 

[Justcrazy]

I would rate him as a good player , rather than Great

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Hashim Amla was definitely a great odi bat but surely not good enough to open in an ATG world XI.
I will take Gichrist and Sharma over him.
Even Mark Waugh was better.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

while being able to bat on any sort of surface.

This doesn't really matter in 9 out of 10 matches, this is something you look for in test match not odis, does Amla have the ability to hit boundaries at will or does he have a 5th gear. No he doesn't, his style of play won't really be suited in this era.

You are not making a test team here. Sharma definitely ahead of Amla here.

 

[shaz619]

Dozens of players better then Amla for that slot, Gilchrist, Sehwag, Anwar, Gayle, Jayasuriya and Rohit, I’d probably even take Trescothick who is a bit under rated

 

[Shafi]

He is very good in flat tracks against weak bowlers. I wouldn't do well even in this flat track if he faced Bumra/Boult/Starc..

 

[Shafi]

Dozens of players better then Amla for that slot, Gilchrist, Sehwag, Anwar, Gayle, Jayasuriya and Rohit, I’d probably even take Trescothick who is a bit under rated

Anwar, Gayle, Jayasuriya, Trescothick better than Amla? All these players are walking wicket against decent bowlers.

 

[Robert]

Wouldnt say hes an ATG but hes a world class opener for sure but with the way he gets exposed time and time again in Tests. He is a very good FTB but any bit of lateral movement and he struggles.

Would defo be one of the best ODI openers of this era after Rohit n Dhawan

This.

Also in the WC Final when the ball was not going sideways, but stopping on him.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

This.

Also in the WC Final when the ball was not going sideways, but stopping on him.

Jack Hobbs won't survive against Shoaib Akhtar but i think he was good for his era and a good player in one era would adapt to conditions in other era too. Won't he?
Or is that applicable just for the huttons, hobbs and sutcliffes.

 

[Robert]

Jack Hobbs won't survive against Shoaib Akhtar but i think he was good for his era and a good player in one era would adapt to conditions in other era too. Won't he?
Or is that applicable just for the huttons, hobbs and sutcliffes.

Well, Sir Jack averaged 57 in tests batting on cow tracks. He is widely considered the father of modern batting. I have no doubt that he would do well in the modern era.

Whereas Bairstow has been a failure in tests for the last two years, when he could have been a brilliant #5 for England for a decade. But England mucked him up by giving him the gloves.

 

[Sunzi]

ATG? Nah, not yet - he's very dangerous on his day however.

 

[sindhiboy]

Dont think bairstow is better than amla

 

[Amjid Javed]

Struggles as soon as ball moves around like in todays 3rd ODI. Both him and Roy are FTBs.

 

[AMSS]

Struggles as soon as ball moves around like in todays 3rd ODI. Both him and Roy are FTBs.

Maybe he's a FTB but flat tracks are what you get in LOIs. If if it were easy to bash on a flat track, why doesn't everyone do it consistently?

 

[Itachi]

Not that it matters to me or anyone, but in Hashim's defence and obviously being a fan I will, 8000+ ODI runs at an Avg of 49.5, SR 88, 27 hundreds and fastest to 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, and 7000 ODI runs.

If that is ZERO impact, then I pity the quality of discussion here.

Despite all that I do agree, he is not good enough to be in all time ODI XI, but surely a top class LOI batsman.

Yup. It has zero impact. Because ATG doesn't only make runs but makes runs while helping the team to win single handedly in most occasion.

Even if tendu had lesser runs than amla, he would have been considered ATG while amla would remain as a stats legend.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Maybe he's a FTB but flat tracks are what you get in LOIs. If if it were easy to bash on a flat track, why doesn't everyone do it consistently?

My point was in relation to some claiming he is an ATG, which he isnt.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Maybe he's a FTB but flat tracks are what you get in LOIs. If if it were easy to bash on a flat track, why doesn't everyone do it consistently?

I have lost count of how many times I have heard this useless logic here. It seems for fans these days every second player is an ATG.

 

[AMSS]

My point was in relation to some claiming he is an ATG, which he isnt.

He isn't an ATG because he hasn't played for long enough. If he replicates this form over 200-250 matches, he'd be a legit ATG. No arguments or silly FTB calls would make a difference.

 

[Ab Fan]

If he maintains this level of performance and get to 5000+ ODI runs with similar stats, he should be an ODI ATG in my opinion.

His knocks vs New Zealand and India in must-win league games in WC 2019 is not everyone's cup of tea.

 

[Mamoon]

There is no comparison between Bairstow and Amla in ODIs. Bairstow is miles ahead.

Bairstow’s knocks against India and New Zealand under immense pressure in the 2019 World Cup alone are greater than any knocks Amla played in his ODI career.

Amla never had the courage and the guts to play knocks like that.

 

[Bilal7]

This doesn't really matter in 9 out of 10 matches, this is something you look for in test match not odis, does Amla have the ability to hit boundaries at will or does he have a 5th gear. No he doesn't, his style of play won't really be suited in this era.

You are not making a test team here. Sharma definitely ahead of Amla here.

It certainly does matter because ODIs were a thing pre-2015. None of the current gung-ho openers, including Sharma, would be able to negotiate the likes of Akram, Garner, Imran, Pollock, McGrath, etc on anything but the flattest of roads. Neither would they be able to handle the likes of Saqlain, Ajmal or Murali on a turner. Forget this, the current crop fold whenever an average bowler has some help from the conditions. Today's match, where Rashid took out both Rohit and Dhawan and Kumar accounted for both Bairstow and Roy is a great example of what I'm saying.

After Sachin, no ODI opener has had the skill, temperament and will to handle all conditions as well as Hashim Amla has. The fact that he scored his runs at a run-a-ball and could up the ante when needed makes him an obvious choice as one of the openers in my all-time XI.

Openers don't need a 5th gear, they're not going to be batting at the death 9 times out of 10. What they need the most is the ability to play swing and seam.

 

[Bilal7]

Maybe he's a FTB but flat tracks are what you get in LOIs. If if it were easy to bash on a flat track, why doesn't everyone do it consistently?

Flat tracks were not so widespread pre-2015. Bairstow would have been nothing more than a 30 average, 80 SR batsman if he was opening before that world cup. There is no doubt that he is fantastic for the modern game but an ATG, he is not.

 

[Ab Fan]

It certainly does matter because ODIs were a thing pre-2015. None of the current gung-ho openers, including Sharma, would be able to negotiate the likes of Akram, Garner, Imran, Pollock, McGrath, etc on anything but the flattest of roads. Neither would they be able to handle the likes of Saqlain, Ajmal or Murali on a turner. Forget this, the current crop fold whenever an average bowler has some help from the conditions. Today's match, where Rashid took out both Rohit and Dhawan and Kumar accounted for both Bairstow and Roy is a great example of what I'm saying.

After Sachin, no ODI opener has had the skill, temperament and will to handle all conditions as well as Hashim Amla has. The fact that he scored his runs at a run-a-ball and could up the ante when needed makes him an obvious choice as one of the openers in my all-time XI.

Openers don't need a 5th gear, they're not going to be batting at the death 9 times out of 10. What they need the most is the ability to play swing and seam.

Excellent post purely in terms of technical context of the game. Amla would have been a great opener in 1980s too.

 

[Bilal7]

Additionally, LO cricket is more than the world cups. You can be a great world cup performer but have an average ODI career overall. My all-time world cup XI would be completely different to my all-time ODI XI

 

[Itachi]

Additionally, LO cricket is more than the world cups. You can be a great world cup performer but have an average ODI career overall. My all-time world cup XI would be completely different to my all-time ODI XI

Name a few players who were great in WC but were rubbish in LOI.

 

[AMSS]

Flat tracks were not so widespread pre-2015. Bairstow would have been nothing more than a 30 average, 80 SR batsman if he was opening before that world cup. There is no doubt that he is fantastic for the modern game but an ATG, he is not.

Coming across as poorly informed, once again. The period from 2005 to 2011-12 were some of the flattest in cricket. Ever. Both ODIs and Tests.

Also not anointing Bairstow as an ATG as yet. He has to keep doing this for a minimum of 200-250 ODIs.

 

[MenInG]

Swashbuckling England cricketer Jonny Bairstow has carved a niche for himself in England’s national set-up with his performance. The combative stumper is the son of veteran England wicketkeeper David Bairstow. And, contrary to the popular beliefs, Bairstow’s cricketing journey has not been an easy one, especially with dashing English batter Jos Buttler in contention for keeping the wickets. However, Bairstow managed to make a name for himself with his prolific run-scoring for Yorkshire County and soon he was knocking on the doors of ECB selectors.

On Sunday as Bairstow celebrates his 31st birthday; here we take a look at his top five performances:

141* runs off 114 balls, Venue: Southampton vs West Indies (2017)

Bairstow’s highest score in the one-dayers came against West Indies at Southampton in 2017. Batting second, England were chasing a mammoth total of 289 runs to win in the fifth and last ODI match of five-match series against West Indies. However, Bairstow made the mockery out of West Indies’ target as he smashed the visiting bowlers all over the park. He scored a blistering 141 runs off 114 balls with the help of 17 fours as England won the match by nine wickets.

139 runs off 92 balls, Venue: Nottingham vs Australia (2018)

Bairstow played one of the most incredible innings of his career on June 19, 2018, as England recorded the highest score in men’s ODI – 481 – against Australia. Batting first, Jason Roy and Bairstow gave the hosts team a flying start as the duo added 159 runs for the first wicket in 19.3 overs.

Bairstow scored 139 runs off 92 balls in that match as England posted 481/6 in 50 overs. In reply, Australia managed to score just 239 runs as England won the match by 242 runs.

138 runs off 106 balls, Venue: Dunedin vs New Zealand (2018)

The third-highest score of Bairstow’s ODI career came against New Zealand in 2018 in Dunedin. He scored a magnificent 138 runs off 106 balls with the help of 14 fours and seven sixes. However, his heroics went in vain as New Zealand won the match by five wickets, courtesy of Ross Taylor’s scintillating 181.

128 runs off 93 balls, Venue: Bristol vs Pakistan (2019)

Chasing 359 for a win against Pakistan in Bristol, Bairstow scored a brilliant 128 runs off 93 balls and guided England to six wickets win over Men in Green with 31 balls to spare. Bairstow’s knock was laced with 16 fours and five sixes.

124 runs off 112 balls, Venue: Pune vs India (2021)

Bairstow’s biggest knock against India came in Pune earlier this year during England multi-format tour of the country. Chasing 336 runs to win, Bairstow rose on the occasion as he hammered Indian bowlers all over the park. He went on to score 112 runs as England defeated India by six wickets and 39 balls to spare.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...erformances-of-england-cricketer-4245962.html

 

[BouncerGuy]

Born: September 26, 1989 (age 34 years), Bradford, United Kingdom
Happy birthday to English wicket-keeper Batsman Jonny Bairstow, who is one the most dangerous batsmen in the world right now.

 

[DJhant]

A good player but definitely not an ATG yet. Let's see how he ends his career. The two best ODI openers of all-time are Hashim Amla and Sachin Tendulker. Yes, both were chokers, but that does not matter when you consider the records that both have broken while being able to bat on any sort of surface.

ATG ODI team:

1) Hashim Amla
2) Sachin Tendulker
3) Ricky Ponting (Kohli should be able to displace him when he retires)
4) Viv Richards
5) AB de Villiers
6) MS Dhoni (wk)
7) Imran Khan (c)
8) Saqlain Mushtaq
9) Wasim Akram
10) Glenn McGrath
11) Joel Garner

12) Muralitharan

I guess you claimed Babar is a better batsman than Sachin at the age of 24...Now you termed him as choker. I would take him any day over your fav player, given his innings of 2003 against Pak in SF . Intentionally not quoting his 2015 innings against Pak, even though in that tournament he played a couple of great innings against SA and Aus. I am sure u have something serious heartburn against him

 

[DJhant]

On topic, Johny is a great modern white ball cricketer. Obviously not an all-condition player, and an average Wicket keeper but he is a hugely valuable asset

 

[Bilal7]

I guess you claimed Babar is a better batsman than Sachin at the age of 24...Now you termed him as choker. I would take him any day over your fav player, given his innings of 2003 against Pak in SF . Intentionally not quoting his 2015 innings against Pak, even though in that tournament he played a couple of great innings against SA and Aus. I am sure u have something serious heartburn against him

Sachin failed in not one but two world cup final matches in his prime, while he was in the strongest Indian ODI teams of all-time. There is no doubt that he choked.

There is also no doubt that Babar Azam is a better ODI batter than Sachin was at the same age. Stats don't lie. This is what a 24 year old Babar Azam did versus a prime Kohli at the last world cup:

Innings	Runs	Average	Highest Score	100s/50s	6s/4s
Babar Azam	8	474	67.71	101*	1/3	2/50
Virat Kohli	9	443	55.37	82	0/5	2/38

​

 

[Bilal7]

Having said that, I obviously rate Sachin very highly which is why he is in my all-time ODI XI. His ability to score runs in all conditions is matched only by Hashim Amla, as far as ODI openers go.

The likes of Bairstow, de Kock, Fakhar, etc are tremendous on flat pitches but will go missing more often than not once the ball starts to seam and swing. You can't have them in your all-time XI, which should consist of players that can excel in any time-period of cricketing history.

1) Amla
2) Sachin
3) Kohli (Babar will eventually overtake him)
4) Viv
5) ABD
6) Dhoni (Buttler will eventually overtake him)
7) Imran (c)
8) Wasim
9) Saqlain
10) McGrath
11) Murali/Garner

This remains the best ODI XI according to my criteria. Now a world cup all-time XI would see many changes.

 

[deltexas]

Having said that, I obviously rate Sachin very highly which is why he is in my all-time ODI XI. His ability to score runs in all conditions is matched only by Hashim Amla, as far as ODI openers go.

The likes of Bairstow, de Kock, Fakhar, etc are tremendous on flat pitches but will go missing more often than not once the ball starts to seam and swing. You can't have them in your all-time XI, which should consist of players that can excel in any time-period of cricketing history.

1) Amla
2) Sachin
3) Kohli (Babar will eventually overtake him)
4) Viv
5) ABD
6) Dhoni (Buttler will eventually overtake him)
7) Imran (c)
8) Wasim
9) Saqlain
10) McGrath
11) Murali/Garner

This remains the best ODI XI according to my criteria. Now a world cup all-time XI would see many changes.

Your opinion sure yes. But No one seriously would agree Amla at 1. Honestly that's a joke. So many other options- Gilchrist, Jayasurya , even Sehwag is better. Also at 4 - Buttler any day over Dhoni. And Warne over Saqlain.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sachin failed in not one but two world cup final matches in his prime, while he was in the strongest Indian ODI teams of all-time. There is no doubt that he choked.

There is also no doubt that Babar Azam is a better ODI batter than Sachin was at the same age. Stats don't lie. This is what a 24 year old Babar Azam did versus a prime Kohli at the last world cup:

Innings	Runs	Average	Highest Score	100s/50s	6s/4s
Babar Azam	8	474	67.71	101*	1/3	2/50
Virat Kohli	9	443	55.37	82	0/5	2/38

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Stats don't tell the whole story either broskie. It depends as to which team you've played against, conditions etc etc.

That's why I hate this stats stats argument War.

 

[deltexas]

Stats don't tell the whole story either broskie. It depends as to which team you've played against, conditions etc etc.

That's why I hate this stats stats argument War.

Yeah stats are good to compare upto a point. They don't show the whole picture though. Ben Stokes odi stats just the stats look average. But boy he is a clutch player and I would pick him in any odi squad- a true match winner.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Having said that, I obviously rate Sachin very highly which is why he is in my all-time ODI XI. His ability to score runs in all conditions is matched only by Hashim Amla, as far as ODI openers go.

The likes of Bairstow, de Kock, Fakhar, etc are tremendous on flat pitches but will go missing more often than not once the ball starts to seam and swing. You can't have them in your all-time XI, which should consist of players that can excel in any time-period of cricketing history.

1) Amla
2) Sachin
3) Kohli (Babar will eventually overtake him)
4) Viv
5) ABD
6) Dhoni (Buttler will eventually overtake him)
7) Imran (c)
8) Wasim
9) Saqlain
10) McGrath
11) Murali/Garner

This remains the best ODI XI according to my criteria. Now a world cup all-time XI would see many changes.

Dont mind the team but I think Gilchrist deserves a spot there.

My main issue is Warne was a legendary spinner in his own right and big match player.

Not having Warne is criminal.

 

[Bilal7]

Dont mind the team but I think Gilchrist deserves a spot there.

My main issue is Warne was a legendary spinner in his own right and big match player.

Not having Warne is criminal.

You can say the same about a number of great players but I rate Murali and Saqlain higher than Warne in ODIs.

They did it without the help of arguably the greatest ODI teams of all time. Murali even more so.

 

[Bilal7]

Stats don't tell the whole story either broskie. It depends as to which team you've played against, conditions etc etc.

That's why I hate this stats stats argument War.

Why don't you look at their stats against the finalists of the 2019 WC?

Both scored fifties against Englans but Babar's was quicker and helped his team win while Kohli arguably did the opposite. Against New Zealand, Babar played one of the innings of the tournament while Kohli choked and got exposed against the moving ball.

 

[Bilal7]

Your opinion sure yes. But No one seriously would agree Amla at 1. Honestly that's a joke. So many other options- Gilchrist, Jayasurya , even Sehwag is better. Also at 4 - Buttler any day over Dhoni. And Warne over Saqlain.

It's silly to select batsmen with lower averages and SRs over someone who has broken a ton of ODI world records for fun but you do you.

 

[mominsaigol]

Why don't you look at their stats against the finalists of the 2019 WC?

Both scored fifties against Englans but Babar's was quicker and helped his team win while Kohli arguably did the opposite. Against New Zealand, Babar played one of the innings of the tournament while Kohli choked and got exposed against the moving ball.

And kohli played a match winning knock against Pakistan in t20 world cup where he managed to make India win from a 28 of 8 position.

Kohli has won multiple games and usually chockes in the semi final or final. Shall I remind you where babar went when he played England in the t20 world cup final?

Don't be a hypocrite in this regard. I like babar, I think he's world class. But he's a world class accumulator, kohli has played knocks babar can only dream of playing, Theirs a reason his caliber is compared to the likes of Sachin, pointing, viv etc. Not saying kohli is superior but they Compare him their, babar isn't on that caliber.

Proper cricket analyst don't think babar is superior to kohli, although babar is good at his own right.

 

[DJhant]

Proper cricket analyst don't think babar is superior to kohli, although babar is good at his own right.

The last line....that's important. However, here someone feels Babar is better than Sachin too, at that age. Mind it before 20, Sachin had a test century at Perth, 50 against an all time great pace bowling attack of Pakistan , before he turned 17. And Sachin started playing at no 5 or 6 for first 70-80 ODIs. But, yes I do understand people's emotion and avoid hurting them

 

[hassan918]

Bairstow is a class act but surely there are many better opening batsmen than him playing the game at the moment.

 

[Bilal7]

And kohli played a match winning knock against Pakistan in t20 world cup where he managed to make India win from a 28 of 8 position.

Kohli has won multiple games and usually chockes in the semi final or final. Shall I remind you where babar went when he played England in the t20 world cup final?

Don't be a hypocrite in this regard. I like babar, I think he's world class. But he's a world class accumulator, kohli has played knocks babar can only dream of playing, Theirs a reason his caliber is compared to the likes of Sachin, pointing, viv etc. Not saying kohli is superior but they Compare him their, babar isn't on that caliber.

Proper cricket analyst don't think babar is superior to kohli, although babar is good at his own right.

You seem confused. What do T20 performances have to do in a discussion about ODI batters?

 

[mominsaigol]

You seem confused. What do T20 performances have to do in a discussion about ODI batters?

We were talking about knocks? Lol. Regardless kohli has played knocks babar can only dream of.

Babar has one odi knock that's world class ams that's his 2019 knocks against NZ in the world cup. But in terms of world cups, I'll agree not just kohli but the entire team has a habit of chocking since 2013

 

[sweep_shot]

Not an ATG.

Just a very destructive ODI batter. England have quite a few like him.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

he is not a genuine opener for ODI cricket, he initially started his career as a middle order batsman where he played most of the games but yeah in t20 matches he proved his worth as a good desdructive opener.

 

[Ab Fan]

ODI matches have reduced so he didn't got enough chance to reach 5000 runs mark. If he had a full fledged career, there is a slight chance that his average/strike rate may not have been as good as it is(45/104).

 

[Justcrazy]

A destructive batsman with good technique . If you make a best XI in OD right now , he will be contender for sure.

 

[Justcrazy]

We were talking about knocks? Lol. Regardless kohli has played knocks babar can only dream of.

Babar has one odi knock that's world class ams that's his 2019 knocks against NZ in the world cup. But in terms of world cups, I'll agree not just kohli but the entire team has a habit of chocking since 2013

Kohli is once a generation player , babar is best in Pakistan right now.

Babar will score runs again , but can his runs win games for Pakistan , that is the big question mark. Babar is no doubt a very good player , but he is NOT a great , he has opportunity he has to raise his game to reach there.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Jonny Bairstow was not able to make a mark today in their match against Sri Lanka in ICC World Cup.

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[jeetu]

Bairstow	Span	Mat	Runs	Bat Av	100
overall	2011-2023	103	3780	43.95	11
in Australia	2018-2018	5	157	31.4	0
in Bangladesh	2016-2016	3	50	16.66	0
in England	2011-2023	63	2497	49.94	7
in India	2011-2023	14	451	34.69	1
in Ireland	2015-2015	1	-	-	-
in New Zealand	2018-2018	5	302	60.4	2
in Scotland	2018-2018	1	105	105	1
in South Africa	2020-2020	3	62	31	0
in Sri Lanka	2018-2018	3	55	18.33	0
in West Indies	2019-2019	5	101	25.25	0

He struggles in Asia.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bairstow will fight back from omission, says Wright​

England chief selector Luke Wright said he is sure Jonny Bairstow will "fight his way back" after omitting the batter from the squads for the upcoming limited-overs series against Australia.

Bairstow, along with fellow veterans Moeen Ali and Chris Jordan, will miss out on England's first white-ball outing since their T20 World Cup campaign, with five uncapped players selected for the September series.

But Wright says it's "not the end" for the 34-year-old, who has struggled for form since he returned from breaking his leg in 2022.

"One of Jonny's great strengths is how much he wants to play," said Wright. "He's hugely disappointed.

"We just want him back to being one of the best players in the world. He had that horrific injury, and that’s been the message. Can we get you back to where you were pre-injury?

"He understands that. He doesn’t like it. One thing Jonny will do is fight back, and I hope he does and gets himself back in the team."

Nor is he ruling out returns for Moeen Ali, 37, or 35-year-old Chris Jordan - both regulars in the England limited-overs set-up in the last decade.

"I certainly won’t be saying that's the end of them. Chris Jordan was left out last winter and then still ended up going to the World Cup.

"They’ll all fine cricketers. But right now, we just want to give some others opportunities."

Speaking of his post-World Cup refresh, Wright said he was "very lucky to be a selector at this time".

"The one thing we don't lack in England is the amount of talent that's around," he added.

"More than anything, the character these young players show in taking the game on... What a great time to be in English cricket."

Meanwhile captain Jos Buttler is set to be fit to lead the side having missed The Hundred with a calf injury, with Wright saying he is "tracking nicely" for the Australia series, adding: "He’s working hard, but I can't see any reason why he won’t be fit to play."

Source: BBC

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bairstow named new Yorkshire red-ball captain​

Jonny Bairstow will captain Yorkshire on their return to Division One of the County Championship.

He takes over the role after it was split between Pakistan batter Shan Masood and Jonny Tattersall last summer.

Bairstow, 35, who made his first-class debut for Yorkshire back in 2009, will also be first-choice wicketkeeper.

While Bairstow will take charge of the red-ball side, Dawid Malan will captain in the T20 Blast.

Bairstow, a veteran of 100 Tests, will lead Yorkshire out for the first time on 4 April away to Hampshire in their first Division One game since 2022.

For the first time since 2018, Bairstow is not at the Indian Premier League and can turn his full attention to the county game.

He has not played a Test since March 2024 and his last T20 international was in the T20 World Cup last summer.

The Bradford-born cricketer, who has made 12 Test centuries and was a World Cup winner in 20-over and 50-over cricket, was a Championship winner with the White Rose in 2014 and 2015.

Now his job is to lead from the front as the team tries to re-establish itself in the top flight.

"It's a huge honour to become Yorkshire captain," he said.

"It's something as a young boy you dream about. It's something you want to do, no matter if it's the first few years of your career or the last few years of your career.

"To be asked to do that with the group of boys we've got is a proud moment for me, for the family and I hope it's an exciting time this year for the guys."

Following in dad's footsteps

Bairstow has some captaincy experience with Welsh Fire in The Hundred and he is confident that he has gathered enough experience from playing under many different skippers in his long career.

While on a personal note, he is following in the footsteps of his late father, David, by captaining Yorkshire.

He led his county between 1984 and 1986 with Jonny "proud" to match that achievement.

"That was a long while ago, before I was born," he said. "To replicate that, I'm very proud to do that.

"There are not many father-and-sons have done that previously. That's an exciting part to it, but a side bit to everything that happens on the field."

Source: BBC

 

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. Another beautiful gem by @Ab Fan

Apparently he's a goat because he had a brief 3 year purple patch .

Clearly the best opener. Seriously why are your takes so trash?

Hayden, Warner, Gilchrist, Rohit, Sehwag, Sachin, Lara, Saeed Anwar, QDK, etc etc are all better batters then he is.

Even the likes of Amla are better batters then he is. Fakhar Zaman is a better batsmen then him as well.

The bar isn't very high for Bairstow lol. Their have been dozens upon dozens of openers better then him. Chris Gayle is also a better opener then he is.

Even at his peak this dude averages 30 on every country he's played in, only avg 50+ in England at his prime. Nothing more then an odi HTB in his prime.

Ab fan's genius takes

1) Ashwin = Pollock in test

2) Laxman > Kohli > YK in test cricket

3) Butler > QDK as an wicket keeping batsmen

4) Johnny Bairstow is an ODI opening goat .

Only reason Bairstow and Roy make it into an atg England odi lineup is cause England in odi has historically been poor. They've always been a nothing odi and t20 team but they hit their peak from 2016-2022 where they were genuinely unstoppable.

Currently their back to their old ways excluding ben duckett who carries their odi side. It's literally duckett or bust.

But bairstow was never in contention to be an Odi goat.

Their atleast 15 to 20 openers that I can name that are better then he is at peak.

1) Ben Duckett (yes really)
2) Hashim Amla
3) QDK
4) Gilchrist
5) David Warner
6) Matthew Hayden
7) Saeed Anwar
8) Fakhar Zaman
9) Rohit Sharma
10) Virender Sehwag
11) Shikhar Dhawan
12) Sachin Tendulkar
13) Ganguly
14) Sanath Jaysuria
15) Dilshan
16) Gordon Greenidge
17) Chris Gayle
18) Desmond Hayes
19) Brian Lara
20) Graeme smith
21) Hershell Gibbs
22) Gary Kristen
23) Martin Guptill

^^ All these guys are genuinely better openers then Bairstow is in odi cricket. Bairstow is nothing more then a HTB in odi at peak. Excellent batter at home conditons but he's lucky he played 90% of his games at home including ct 2017 and wc 2019.

I'd argue Travis Head is better then Him as well in odi cricket.