Is Justin Langer interested in coaching Pakistan?

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Pakistan Cricket has been exposed, first in the test series, and today by an Australia B team. At Home!

There are many flaws and problems that can be looked at, one solution is to first get a proper coach (as well as sacking Ramiz Raja). Saqlain Mushtaq is not a Head Coach, he should only be a spin bowling coach, just as he was with England.

Main thing when looking for coaches - First priority is for the coaches to have good coaching expereince, then comes having lead by example in their playing days. Having both is even better.


Shaun Tait is a ridiculous signing, he is a horrible example/ role model for Pakistan Bowlers since from what I've heard, all he had was pace, but no accuracy in his playing days, plus he doesn't have much experience as a coach. But if PCB really can't get Philander, then I guess just stay with him (and look into Umar Gul as the death bowling coach?)

Mohammad Yousuf as Batting coach is fine, I guess. They need to have a power-hitting coach, essential nowadays.

Head Coach - the Head Coach should be an overseas person, not someone from Pakistan. Why? Because the majority of the Pakistan coaches and big players always say these huge promises like "Pakistan are world-beaters, Pakistan needs to play fearless cricket", but in reality these same people have shown that they are scared.

The Pakistan Players as well with these false, arrogant, 'big promise' statements such as "India is scared to play Pakistan" "I will try to take ten wickets against India "I see fear in batsmen eyes .

We need a coach that can enforce changes though, not some ordinary foreign coach. One coach for Pakistan who made changes in very recent times was Mickey Arthur (as well as Steve Rixon). I know a lot of people don't like Mickey Arthur, Pakistan had really bad test performances under Mickey Arthur post-MisYou. To be fair, Mickey had many clueless moments himself, with tactics etc.

But what I want to talk about is the following changes Mickey Arthur made, when Mickey Arthur arrived, There wer three problems that him and Steve Rixon either improved or Fixed:

1 - Fitness of Pakistan players was horrible.
2 - Pakistan Fielding was horrible, was being made fun of all the time.
3 - "Pakistan are still batting in the 1990s in ODI cricket." literally every commentator would say this. Although, Mickey Arthur didn't fully solve his issue, he improved the teams limited over batting a lot, and so Pakistan scoring 300 runs in an ODI was no longer a 'once every 5 years' thing.

If Saqlain was hired in 2016 (as head coach) and assigned to fix/ improve these issues, he would not have been able to do this at all.

So now, Pakistan needs a coach that will be able to make changes, especially for test cricket and especially get rid of all the laid back attitude, laughing and hugging, and pathetic talking to the opposition 24/7 "look good" attitude.

A coach that is tough on the players, and the perfect candidate is Justin Langer.


The Coach Lineup (Imagining that Justin Langer gets Hired):

Head Coach - Justin Langer
Batting Coach - Mohammad Yousuf
Power Hitting Coach - Lance Klusener
Fast Bowling Coach - Vernon Philander
Death Bowling Coach - Umar Gul / Abdul Razzaq
Fielding Coach - the current person (Grant something)
Spin Bowling Coach - Saqlain Mushtaq

 

[Kianig89]

Justin Langer Jon Stead Trevor Bayliss Chris Silverwood Kumar Sangakarra it won't make a difference the domestic circuit is rotten everyone is interested in bowling 4 overs and hitting 2 3 sixes and to earn $$$ henceforth the pathetic players

 

[shaz619]

How likely is it that Langer would coach Pak? also, didn’t Pak try and get Andy Flower - that didn’t seem to work out.

 

[shaz619]

What do you guys think of giving Misbah another chance ? [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] because Pakistan is rubbish in the Tests now, even at home, I could see England blitzing them

Definitely not Waqar as the bowling coach who has received too many chances and failed

 

[Rana]

No one wants to come to Pakistan

Our best bet is Hershcelle Gibbs as he can’t ever work in India

 

[DeadlyVenom]

A coach needs a 5 year tenure to turn things around for the team.

Nobody knows how long the current gov is going to last and whether Rambo will be around next month.

It's unlikely we will have a new coach anytime soon.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

What do you guys think of giving Misbah another chance ? [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] because Pakistan is rubbish in the Tests now, even at home, I could see England blitzing them

Definitely not Waqar as the bowling coach who has received too many chances and failed

This is the other thing I wanted to talk about. Yes, Misbah in his first months, when he was head coach, batting coach, chief sector, especially in late 2019, was a disaster, due to losing the T20s and ODI series to Sri Lanka (I think), while bringing back Muhammad Irfan, Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shezad (if I remember correctly) and also fast-tracking Muhammad Musa Khan, Muhammad Hasnain, Naseem Shah (but this is also Waqras fault).

But Misbah in 2021, was I think a pretty good coach, in all formats. In test cricket, he and Muhammad Wasim chief selector were finally selected more often than not, players that have been performing in First-Class. He was the one who started the Rizwan_babar T20 partnership, (although I don't think it would work now!). Plus, many won't admit it here, but the success Pakistan had in the 2021 T20 WC was set up by Misbah, not by Saqlain, not by Matthew Hayden or Philander.

I didn't catch cricket in 2020, so if anyone is able to 'review' Misbah coach in 2020.


So Misbah as a Head Coach is definitely 100% be better than Saqlain Mushtaq head coach.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Real problem is the Pakistan cricket system though

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Changing coaches will not help Pakistan team. Change needs to incorporated at grass root level. We always want foreign coaches to do wonders and when they fail we start blaming them. When the reality is our own former players are not ready to work in domestic structure. Instead of giving lectures on youtube and fueling controversies they can work with U16 to U19 kids to make sure we international ready players available. But no one wants to work behind the scenes, every one needs attention and limelight which they will not get in domestic cricket.

 

[iniqbal223]

Pakistan Cricket has been exposed, first in the test series, and today by an Australia B team. At Home!

There are many flaws and problems that can be looked at, one solution is to first get a proper coach (as well as sacking Ramiz Raja). Saqlain Mushtaq is not a Head Coach, he should only be a spin bowling coach, just as he was with England.

Main thing when looking for coaches - First priority is for the coaches to have good coaching expereince, then comes having lead by example in their playing days. Having both is even better.


Shaun Tait is a ridiculous signing, he is a horrible example/ role model for Pakistan Bowlers since from what I've heard, all he had was pace, but no accuracy in his playing days, plus he doesn't have much experience as a coach. But if PCB really can't get Philander, then I guess just stay with him (and look into Umar Gul as the death bowling coach?)

Mohammad Yousuf as Batting coach is fine, I guess. They need to have a power-hitting coach, essential nowadays.

Head Coach - the Head Coach should be an overseas person, not someone from Pakistan. Why? Because the majority of the Pakistan coaches and big players always say these huge promises like "Pakistan are world-beaters, Pakistan needs to play fearless cricket", but in reality these same people have shown that they are scared.

The Pakistan Players as well with these false, arrogant, 'big promise' statements such as "India is scared to play Pakistan" "I will try to take ten wickets against India "I see fear in batsmen eyes .

We need a coach that can enforce changes though, not some ordinary foreign coach. One coach for Pakistan who made changes in very recent times was Mickey Arthur (as well as Steve Rixon). I know a lot of people don't like Mickey Arthur, Pakistan had really bad test performances under Mickey Arthur post-MisYou. To be fair, Mickey had many clueless moments himself, with tactics etc.

But what I want to talk about is the following changes Mickey Arthur made, when Mickey Arthur arrived, There wer three problems that him and Steve Rixon either improved or Fixed:

1 - Fitness of Pakistan players was horrible.
2 - Pakistan Fielding was horrible, was being made fun of all the time.
3 - "Pakistan are still batting in the 1990s in ODI cricket." literally every commentator would say this. Although, Mickey Arthur didn't fully solve his issue, he improved the teams limited over batting a lot, and so Pakistan scoring 300 runs in an ODI was no longer a 'once every 5 years' thing.

If Saqlain was hired in 2016 (as head coach) and assigned to fix/ improve these issues, he would not have been able to do this at all.

So now, Pakistan needs a coach that will be able to make changes, especially for test cricket and especially get rid of all the laid back attitude, laughing and hugging, and pathetic talking to the opposition 24/7 "look good" attitude.

A coach that is tough on the players, and the perfect candidate is Justin Langer.


The Coach Lineup (Imagining that Justin Langer gets Hired):

Head Coach - Justin Langer
Batting Coach - Mohammad Yousuf
Power Hitting Coach - Lance Klusener
Fast Bowling Coach - Vernon Philander
Death Bowling Coach - Umar Gul / Abdul Razzaq
Fielding Coach - the current person (Grant something)
Spin Bowling Coach - Saqlain Mushtaq

Who will stop political interferences
And even if foreign coach would make some improvements ; our 1992 mafia will make sure to get that job (directly or indirectly) at any cost

Rot is within 1992 legends; they have looted PCB system a lot
No other country celebrates 30 years old achievement like what PCB does . India in fact has even moved on from 2011 WC win and we are still stuck in 1992 be4cause that is what the legends want us to only think so they get $$, marketing contracts, and remain in limelight forever

 

[Major]

What do you guys think of giving Misbah another chance ? [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] because Pakistan is rubbish in the Tests now, even at home, I could see England blitzing them

Definitely not Waqar as the bowling coach who has received too many chances and failed

Pakistan is on the verge of losing out the world cup qualifications.

I would prefer if misbah not join now because if they dont qualify, he would get the hate for it...

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan is on the verge of losing out the world cup qualifications.

No. They are not. They should be fine.

They have some easy assignments soon (Netherlands, Afghanistan, West Indies etc.).

 

[Markhor]

Sounds like Justin Langer is in line for the England job.

 

[shaz619]

This is the other thing I wanted to talk about. Yes, Misbah in his first months, when he was head coach, batting coach, chief sector, especially in late 2019, was a disaster, due to losing the T20s and ODI series to Sri Lanka (I think), while bringing back Muhammad Irfan, Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shezad (if I remember correctly) and also fast-tracking Muhammad Musa Khan, Muhammad Hasnain, Naseem Shah (but this is also Waqras fault).

But Misbah in 2021, was I think a pretty good coach, in all formats. In test cricket, he and Muhammad Wasim chief selector were finally selected more often than not, players that have been performing in First-Class. He was the one who started the Rizwan_babar T20 partnership, (although I don't think it would work now!). Plus, many won't admit it here, but the success Pakistan had in the 2021 T20 WC was set up by Misbah, not by Saqlain, not by Matthew Hayden or Philander.

I didn't catch cricket in 2020, so if anyone is able to 'review' Misbah coach in 2020.


So Misbah as a Head Coach is definitely 100% be better than Saqlain Mushtaq head coach.

Pakistan is on the verge of losing out the world cup qualifications.

I would prefer if misbah not join now because if they dont qualify, he would get the hate for it...

I was thinking along the lines of separate coach for Tests and ODI/T20.

Misbah could help with maximising Pakistan’s chances of getting the most points possible from the home fixtures and he has some experience now to

 

[Major]

I was thinking along the lines of separate coach for Tests and ODI/T20.

Misbah could help with maximising Pakistan’s chances of getting the most points possible from the home fixtures and he has some experience now to

Yes that could work

 

[ask_analyse_act]

What do you guys think of giving Misbah another chance ? [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] because Pakistan is rubbish in the Tests now, even at home, I could see England blitzing them

Definitely not Waqar as the bowling coach who has received too many chances and failed

If want to take Pakistan back to the 80s era then yes..

Only you and Major would want Misbah back as coach..

He should be nowhere near any role in PCB , such a defeatist mentality..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Sounds like Justin Langer is in line for the England job.

Is this confirmed or are these still rumours? I think it would be terrible for Langer to coach Pakistan/England. He is used to a very strong institutionalized cricket system and the players it produces. CC and Pak donestic dont produce such players.

 

[James]

If he goes for anyone it will probably be England.

 

[Markhor]

Is this confirmed or are these still rumours? I think it would be terrible for Langer to coach Pakistan/England. He is used to a very strong institutionalized cricket system and the players it produces. CC and Pak donestic dont produce such players.

Yes but think of the entertainment factor. He'll run out of bins to kick over after yet another England batting collapse

 

[shaz619]

If want to take Pakistan back to the 80s era then yes..

Only you and Major would want Misbah back as coach..

He should be nowhere near any role in PCB , such a defeatist mentality..

I’ve criticised him heavily during his initial run as coach and I don’t think he should be managing the ODI/T20 teams, but it’s naive to assume he’d fail to do well in home Tests, he knows how to win in asian conditions. Misbah has his flaws but with the WTC fixtures in mind for Pakistan, I don’t think he’s a bad option during a transition or until Pak are able to convince someone more high profile

 

[shaz619]

Yes but think of the entertainment factor. He'll run out of bins to kick over after yet another England batting collapse

Jason Gillespie should be the coach ideally for England, knows the system well, has worked at the national academy and has high level coaching experience over here to

 

[James]

Jason Gillespie should be the coach ideally for England, knows the system well, has worked at the national academy and has high level coaching experience over here to

That would be excellent. I hope it will happen.

Re: Langer, he might be wanting a bit of a break from the game after recent events — he has been working intensively and often away from home at the top level for a number of years now.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Well considering the political instability in Pakistan these days, I don't see any appointment for major coaching posts to be done in coming days till the current situation is resolved/silenced. Ramiz's tenure is going to end in maybe a month now so anyone applying for the post should know that they can be kicked out as soon as the new chairman comes to power.

Going back to Justin Langer, I think, his coaching style should theoretically work well in a team like Pakistan where you always need to keep a firm hand on players' shoulders. Plus our players and the think tank isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, so Langer would definitely be a big upgrade over the current lot.

I would also like to say that Pakistan needs to dump the Powerpoint Selector as soon as possible. His selections have reeked of bias and grudges and is too stubborn to listen to the coach or the captain but always gives into the orders from the higher ups to save his job.

Rather than Langer, I think Stuart Law, Andy Flower, Paul Farbrace, Steve Rhodes would make good candidates as well.

 

[kingusama92]

They do need a proper tactician.

Someone who can get more out of them through strategy while breaking things down into smaller goals. Any talent the team has right now is completely ruined by its stats padding and low cricketing IQ.

Previous Pakistani teams have usually looked for those who can manage the men and their personalities. I don't think the current team needs a specialized "man manager" as it might have in the past because most of the personalities are rookies, timid and/or non-confrontational as it is. Players like that usually get along with each other anyway and don't need someone to keep them in line.

Even if they do need someone like that on staff, find someone and make him an assistant coach.

What they require for the head coach is someone who understands the modern game and can strategize everything. Right now most of them seem to follow generic goals or play their own game without much of an idea of pacing to win a match.

 

[Usman Chadda]

They do need a proper tactician.

Someone who can get more out of them through strategy while breaking things down into smaller goals. Any talent the team has right now is completely ruined by its stats padding and low cricketing IQ.

Previous Pakistani teams have usually looked for those who can manage the men and their personalities. I don't think the current team needs a specialized "man manager" as it might have in the past because most of the personalities are rookies, timid and/or non-confrontational as it is. Players like that usually get along with each other anyway and don't need someone to keep them in line.

Even if they do need someone like that on staff, find someone and make him an assistant coach.

What they require for the head coach is someone who understands the modern game and can strategize everything. Right now most of them seem to follow generic goals or play their own game without much of an idea of pacing to win a match.

One more aspect lacking is that any team has a set number of players coming in to fulfill a particular role. Pakistan just does not have that luxury, as majority of the players (specially batsmen) are very similar and you can’t really build a team around them. For any professional sports team, the players are picked according to the roles they can fulfill. In top teams, no matter how fierce a certain domestic player’s form is, unless they can displace the top national level player, they don’t get a look in. In Pakistan’s case, it’s come to point where we end up picking the top performers, then try to fit them into our team combination. A player like Haider Ali, who has only opened the innings since his youth cricket days, should never be made to bat at number five or six, until he can replace one of the openers in the team based on the defined role parameters set by the team management.

Same goes for pace bowlers, there is no one to partner Shaheen with the new ball as we have no consistency even our domestic cricket in terms of role definition. Everyone wants to be a bit of everything, and until this changes, a player cannot improve progressively and we won’t be able to become a top team any time soon.

 

[Justcrazy]

The Coach Lineup (Imagining that Justin Langer gets Hired):

Head Coach - Justin Langer
Batting Coach - Mohammad Yousuf
Power Hitting Coach - Lance Klusener
Fast Bowling Coach - Vernon Philander
Death Bowling Coach - Umar Gul / Abdul Razzaq
Fielding Coach - the current person (Grant something)
Spin Bowling Coach - Saqlain Mushtaq

Why not a opening batsmen coach , one off-spin bowling coach , one Test match batting coach , one direct hit coach , one cover drive coach , one slip fielding coach.

 

[Justcrazy]

No one wants to come to Pakistan

Our best bet is Hershcelle Gibbs as he can’t ever work in India

Its better to coach oneself watching You tube rather than have herschell as coach.

 

[Justcrazy]

So Misbah as a Head Coach is definitely 100% be better than Saqlain Mushtaq head coach.

Saqlain is 0 % himself as head coach , so 100 % of him will also be ZERO