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And a full blown ground war wouldn't make everyone afraid leave their houses? Drones would prevent the US from being dragged into another quagmire. Drones are the correct strategy in my opinion with heavy ground intelligence. Civilian casualties are unavoidable with boots on ground or with drones.

Boots on the ground is the only way to clear out an area with some degree of accuracy. If I was an Iraqi citizen I would far rather have troops cleaning out areas than bombs being launched from thousands of miles away. It looks like the US is hoping that other Arab countries will provide the soldiers and they will provide air power. That way American losses will be minimised which is good from their POV, but after the performance of the Iraqi army I don't see much success for any other Arab troops iminent. Perhaps the air power will swing it.
 
Boots on the ground is the only way to clear out an area with some degree of accuracy. If I was an Iraqi citizen I would far rather have troops cleaning out areas than bombs being launched from thousands of miles away. It looks like the US is hoping that other Arab countries will provide the soldiers and they will provide air power. That way American losses will be minimised which is good from their POV, but after the performance of the Iraqi army I don't see much success for any other Arab troops iminent. Perhaps the air power will swing it.

The only reason Obama is doing the airstrikes is to get the hawks in Congress off his back so it looks like he is doing something. He knows that putting boots on foreign soil in the Middle East is a lose-lose. Doing that will just help ISIS and the other terrorist groups with their recruiting - killing fellow Sunnis and heathen Shia is one thing, but who wouldn't want to sign up to fight the Army of the Dajjal eh? And the people you "help" usually turn on you once they use you to do the heavy lifting for them. Case in point - Ahmed Chalabi, Nouri Al-Maliki, Hamid Karzai. Imagine if he had authorised airstrikes against Bashar Al-Assad after Assad used chemical weapons against his own people last year. He would have been helping...ISIS! Imagine those chemical weapons stockpiles in the hands of ISIS.

It will be a cold day in hell before you see Obama put US boots on the ground in the Middle East. This guy voted AGAINST the Iraq intervention and that was just two years after 9/11 and when Rumsfeld and Co manufactured their story of WMD relying in large part on the testimony of Ahmed Chalabi. They could behead a thousand hapless Seppos, crucify them on live TV and he still won't do it.

As for the Arabs putting troops on the ground, when have they ever done anything that might compromise the "delicate balance of power" in the region? Better to fight proxy wars with militias and other armed groups than have Egyptians fighting Syrians or Iranians fighting Saudis. Better to have Muslim groups fighting Muslim groups than Muslim nations fighting Muslim nations. Better yet, what they really want is to get the US in there as, other than Israel, fighting the US is what unites all the Muslims in the region. Which won't happen while Obama is in office. But if someone like Marco Rubio is elected president in 2016, watch out!
 
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The most ironic thing about the capture of Alan henning if is he were Muslim he would have been treated like Abbas Khan

I hate to point score over a violent kidnapping, but it shows that alot of people are in Syria to do humanitarian good, Muslims and Non-Muslims
 
America, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Jordan bomb Islamic State targets in Syria.


The most intensive barrage of air strikes launched against Islamic State (Isis) since the US fight against the terror group began last month thundered into northern Syria until after dawn on Tuesday, heralding a new phase of a war that Sunni regional powers have vowed to help lead.

Large explosions were reported in the group’s stronghold of Raqqa, in eastern Syria, as well as in Idlib province. There were unconfirmed reports that attacks had also taken place near Deir Azzor and western Aleppo.

A Pentagon statement said the 14 strikes against Isis targets were carried out with Bahrain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. Jordan confirmed it its airforce had “destroyed a number of targets that belong to some terrorist groups that sought to commit terror acts inside Jordan” without making explicit reference to Syria.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/23/us-launches-air-strikes-against-isis-targets-in-syria
 
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Family of IS-held British hostage Alan Henning say they have received an audio file of him "pleading for his life"
Appalling situation for the family to be in. Hope UK govt does everything they can to assist them.
 
What did the Arab nations actually do?
Nothing, other than allowing Obama to claim that he has their support?

Isis is supposedly an offshoot of the rebel groups that were created/ funded by the US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the others. And since Isis is also trying to overthrow the Assad regime which the Americans and Saudi's want removed, bombing Isis will actually help Assad.

Reminds me of Milo in Catch-22. Milo signs a contract with the Germans to bomb the US base from which the American bombers are taking off and bombing the Germans. Since Milo's planes are actually the US Air Force planes repainted with his logo against the wishes of the base commander, the contract with the Germans means the USAF planes taking off, circling around and bombing their own US base. After all business is business.
 
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Here comes the liberation bomb.
Now more people will die because of these strikes.
 
Interesting article, why ISIS being mainly made up of 'foreigners' has its own utility for the US from a purely geo-political POV :

While Western public opinion is fed information about the constitution of a purported international coalition to fight against the "Islamic Emirate", the latter changes shape discreetly. Its principal officers are no longer Arab, but Georgian and Chinese. For Thierry Meyssan, this mutation shows that NATO ultimately intends to use the "Islamic Emirate" in Russia and in China. Therefore, both countries must act now against the jihadists before they return to sow chaos in their countries of origin.

The "Islamic Emirate" initially displayed its Arab origin. This organization sprang from "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" who fought not the US invaders, but Iraqi Shiites. It became the "Islamic Emirate in Iraq" and the "Islamic Emirate in Iraq and the Levant." In October 2007, the US Army seized 606 records of foreign members of this organization near Sinjar. The records were inventoried and examined by experts from the Military Academy at West Point.

However, a few days after the seizure, Emir al-Baghdadi said his organization included only 200 fighters and they were all Iraqis. This lie is comparable to that of other terrorist organizations in Syria who say they enrol only incidentally a few foreigners, while the Syrian Arab Army estimated at at least 250,000 the number of foreign jihadists who fought in Syria over the past three years. Moreover, Caliph Ibrahim (the new name of Amir al-Baghdadi) now claims that his organization is composed largely of foreigners and that Syrian territory is no longer for the Syrians and the Iraqi territory is no longer for Iraqis, but they are for his jihadists.

According to records seized in Sinjar, 41% of foreign terrorists members of the "Islamic Emirate of Iraq" were Saudi nationals, 18.8% were Libyans, and only 8.2% were Syrians. If these figures are related to the population of each country, the people of Libya provided proportionately 2 times more fighters than that of Saudi Arabia and five times more than that of Syria.

Regarding Syrian jihadists, their origin was dispersed in the country, but 34, 3% came from the city of Deir ez-Zor, which since the withdrawal of the "Islamic Emirate" of Raqqa, became the capital of the Caliphate.

In Syria, Deir ez-Zor has the distinction of being populated predominantly by Sunni Arabs organized into tribes, and by Kurdish and Armenian minorities. However, until now, the United States has been only able to destroy states in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, that is to say, countries where the population is organised into tribes. They have failed elsewhere. From this point of view, Deir ez-Zor in particular and the North East of Syria in general can therefore potentially be conquered, but not the rest of the country, as seen over the past three years.

For the past two weeks, a purge is affecting Maghreb officers. Thus, Tunisians who took the Raqqa military airport on August 25 were arrested for disobedience, judged and executed by their superiors. The "Islamic Emirate" means to put its Arab fighters in their place and promote Chechen officers kindly provided by the Georgian secret services.

Another category of jihadist has emerged: the Chinese. Since June, the United States and Turkey have transported hundreds of Chinese fighters and their families to northeastern Syria. Some of them immediately became officers. They are mostly Uighurs, Chinese from the Peoples Republic, but Sunni Muslims and speakers of Turk.

Therefore, it is clear that, ultimately, the "Islamic Emirate" will expand its operations to Russia and to China, both countries are its ultimate targets.

We will definitely see a new NATO publicity campaign: its aviation will push the jihadists out of Iraq and leave them to settle in Deir ez-Zor. The CIA will provide money, weapons, ammunition and information to "revolutionary Syrian moderates" (sic) of the FSA, which will then change hats for use under the banner of the "Islamic Emirate", as has been the case since May of 2013.

At the time, Senator John McCain came to Syria illegally to meet the chiefs of staff of the FSA. According to the photograph then distributed to attest to the meeting, the staff included a certain Abu Youssef, officially sought by the US State Department under the name Abu Du’a, in reality the current Caliph Ibrahim. Thus, the same man was - both and at the same time - a moderate leader in the FSA and an extremist leader in the "Islamic Emirate".

With this information, one can appreciate at its true value the document presented to the Security Council on July 14 by the Syrian Ambassador, Bashar Jaafari. This is a letter from the commander-in-chief of the FSA, Salim Idriss and dated January 17, 2014. It reads: "I hereby inform you that this ammunition sent by the chiefs of staff to leaders of the revolutionary military councils of the Eastern Region must be distributed in accordance with what was agreed upon: two-thirds to the warlords of the el-Nosra front, the remaining third to be distributed between the military and the revolutionary elements in the fight against the bands of IEIL (Islamic Emirate in Iraq and the Levant). We thank you for sending us the proof of delivery of all ammunition, specifying the quantities and qualities, duly signed by the leaders and warlords in person, so we can forward them to the Turkish and French partners. "In other words, two NATO powers (Turkey and France) have delivered ammunition for two thirds to the Al-Nosra Front (classified as a member of al-Qaeda by the Security Council) and one third to the FSA so that it can fight against the "Islamic Emirate", headed by one of its senior officers. In fact, the FSA has disappeared on the ground and the munitions were therefore intended for two-thirds to al-Qaeda and one third to the "Islamic Emirate".

With this dual role device, NATO will be able to continue to launch its hordes of jihadists against Syria while claiming to fight them.

However, when NATO has installed chaos everywhere in the Arab world, including its Saudi ally, it will turn the "Islamic Emirate" against the two great developing powers, Russia and China. That is why these two powers should intervene now and nip in the bud this private army being constituted and trained by NATO in the Arab world. Otherwise, Moscow and Beijing will soon have to confront it on their own soil.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article185364.html
 
WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama is expected to seek Prime Minister Narendra Modi's support in his effort to create a global coalition against Islamic State terror group that has gained control over large swaths of Syria and Iraq, almost equal in size of Britain..



...Modi is scheduled to meet Obama at the White House on September 29 over a private dinner, and the next morning at the Oval Office for the official meeting during which the issue of ISIS is "definitely" expected to come up for discussion.

Officials familiar with the preparations of the Modi-Obama summit acknowledged that ISIS would be part of discussion between the two leaders, during which they are likely to touch upon the current situation in the Middle East.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...support-against-ISIS/articleshow/43313507.cms

Perhaps Modi will be able to provide support in Afghanistan which has historically been a source of much strife for India.
 
Its opportunity to clean all the dirt for once . Let all these retards want to be a part of IS , join them from all over the world . Then bomb them in one place .
Apparently there are a few who want to go from India as well , buy them a one way ticket .
 
Its opportunity to clean all the dirt for once . Let all these retards want to be a part of IS , join them from all over the world . Then bomb them in one place .
Apparently there are a few who want to go from India as well , buy them a one way ticket .

IS was created by US and KSA..do u think they will gwt rid of them until they achieved their objectives.
 
The problem is bombs alone will not win this war because bombs can not destroy an ideology !

So while millitary action has to be taken IS or any of the franchise type groups will be here for a long time until some of the roots of the problems are tackled in which these groups exploit.
 
Its opportunity to clean all the dirt for once . Let all these retards want to be a part of IS , join them from all over the world . Then bomb them in one place .
Apparently there are a few who want to go from India as well , buy them a one way ticket .

Why did Modi say Indian Muslims will never do anything bad to India then and that they will die for India or was he lying?
 
Another video leaked online, apparently showing the beheading of French hiker Herve Gordel.

Sick sick people. So much hatred and evil in this world :(
 
Another video leaked online, apparently showing the beheading of French hiker Herve Gordel.

Sick sick people. So much hatred and evil in this world :(

Yes I heard they beheaded some hapless Frog tourist. I wonder what his crime was, maybe he was part of the French DSGE and was a really a spy?

Expect more of these things to happen as it's the only way ISIS can really respond to being bombed. Some kid in Australia was arrested for attacking a couple of police officers, apparently he wanted to behead them on camera as per the instructions of ISIS that were broadcast widely the other day.

It's sad - he was just 18 years old. People do silly things at 18 - the thing is, so much hate, to the point where you would attack a police officer for it because of something happening so far away.

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Melbourne terror shooting: Numan Haider 'planned to behead Victoria Police officers, drape bodies in IS flag'

John Silvester
Published: September 24, 2014 - 6:21PM

'Nasty incident': PM weighs in
Premier warns against racism
Man shot 'a known terror suspect'
Comment: Beware the lone wolf
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EXCLUSIVE

Police feared the 18-year-old man shot dead outside the Endeavour Hills police station planned to behead officers and post the images online.

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Numan Haider used a knife to attack an Australian Federal Police officer and a Victorian policeman before he was shot dead with a single shot.

When Mr Haider was searched he was found to be carrying a larger knife and an Islamic State flag.

Police believe the plan was to follow instructions from the international terror group Islamic State and behead the officers, cover the bodies in the flag and then take photos to post via the internet.

He had been the subject of police investigations for the past three months as he had become increasingly radical.

Schoolfriends said he showed no signs of violent behaviour in secondary college.

Police say he was part of a small group of Islamic Melbourne men who have been sharing violent hate messages.

His passport was cancelled as police became concerned, although they chose to meet him outside a police station to avoid inflaming the situation.

"No one was aware what was in his mind," a senior policeman said.

Meanwhile, the head of an Islamic group linked to Mr Haider would not confirm whether he had been involved with the controversial al-Furqan Islamic Centre in Springvale South.

Harun Mehicevic, also known as Abu Talha, spoke to Fairfax Media near the centre, the focus of a large counter-terrorism operation in 2012.

Mr Mehicevic declined to comment about Mr Haider, or the Endeavour Hills shooting, saying the group might release a media statement later on Wednesday. It has been reported that Mr Haider spent time with the group.

In 2012, it appeared al-Furqan members were suspected of involvement in extremist activity, including fund-raising for rebel forces in Syria.

It is unclear whether Mr Mehicevic has been caught up in recent wide-ranging cancellations of passports by authorities, given he was in his native Bosnia when the raids occurred in 2012 and was allowed to return freely to Australia.

- with Nino Bucci

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/melb...-drape-bodies-in-is-flag-20140924-10lb4i.html
 
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MUST READ.

The administration's response to the conjunction of this weekend's People's Climate March and the International Day of Peace?

1) Bomb Syria the following day, to wrest control of the oil from ISIS which gained its foothold directly in the region through the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Jordan funding and arming ISIS' predecessors in Syria.

2) Send the president to UN General Assembly, where he will inevitably give a rousing speech about climate and peace, while the destruction of the environment and the shattering of world peace is on full display 5,000 miles away.

Nothing better illustrates the bankruptcy of the Obama administration's foreign policy than funding groups that turn on the U.S. again and again, a neo-con fueled cycle of profits for war makers and destruction of ever-shifting "enemies."

The fact can't be refuted: ISIS was born of Western intervention in Iraq and covert action in Syria.

This Frankenstein-like experiment of arming the alleged freedom-seeking Syrian opposition created the monster that roams the region. ISIS and the U.S. have a curious relationship -- mortal enemies that, at the same time, benefit from some of the same events:

a) Ousting former Iraqi President Nouri al Maliki for his refusal to consent to the continued presence of U.S. troops in his country.

b) Regime change in Syria.

c) Arming the Kurds so they can separate from Iraq, a preliminary move to partitioning Iraq.

What a coincidence for war-profiteering neo-cons and the war industry, which has seen its stock rise since last week's congressional vote to fund the rapid expansion of war. We have met the enemy and he isn't only ISIS, he is us.

Phase two of the war against Syria is the introduction of 5,000 "moderate" mercenaries (as opposed to immoderate ones), who were trained in Saudi Arabia, the hotbed of Wahhabism, at an initial installment cost of $15 billion. These new "moderates" will replace the old "moderates," who became ISIS, just in time for Halloween.

The administration, in the belief that you can buy, rent, or lease friends where they otherwise do not exist, labor under the vain assumption that our newfound comrades-in-arms will remain in place during their three-year employment period, ignoring the inevitability that those "friends" you hire today could be firing at you tomorrow.

One wonders if Saudi training of these moderate mercenaries will include methods of beheading which were popularized by the Saudi government long before their ISIS progeny took up the grisly practice.

The U.S. is being played.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia can now overtly join with the U.S. in striking Syria, after they have been covertly attempting for years to take down the last secular state in the region. We are now advancing the agenda of the actual Islamic States -- Saudi Arabia and Qatar -- to fight the ersatz Islamic State of ISIS.

Now U.S. bombs and missiles might inadvertently "make the world safe" for theocracy rather than democracy. Today we read reports that Israel has shot down a Syrian warplane, indicating the terrible possibility of a wider regional conflict.

What does this have to do with the security of the 50 States United? Nothing!

Last week Congress acted prematurely in funding a war without following the proscriptions of Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. (The day of the vote, I urged Congress to resist this dangerous and misguided legislation.) But even while the funding was given, the explicit authorization to go to war was not. To authorize a war, Congress must vote for war. It has not done that yet.

To sell its case, the administration is borrowing from the fear mongering tactics of the Bush administration. ISIS poses no direct, immediate threat to the United States -- The White House even said so yesterday, just hours before bombing commenced - yet we are being sold make-believe about ISIS sleeper cells.

This attack on Syria, under the guise of striking ISIS, is by definition, a war of aggression. It is a violation of international law. It could lead to crimes against humanity and the deaths of untold numbers of innocent civilians. No amount of public relations or smooth talking can change that.

And yes, members of this Democratic administration, including the president who executed this policy, must be held accountable by the International Criminal Court and by the American people, who he serves.

But as we know, war is a powerful and cynical PR tactic. I expect the bombing of Syria will momentarily boost the White House's popularity with self-serving heroic accounts of damage inflicted upon ISIS (and the U.S. equipment they use). Stuffing the November ballot box with bombs and missiles may even help the Democratic Party retain the Senate.

But after the election the voters will discover that the president played into the hands of extremists, hurt civilians, and embroiled our country deep into another conflict in the Middle East.

There were alternatives. The U.S. and the international community could have contained and shrunk ISIS by cutting off its funds and its revenue from sale of oil on the black market. We could have looked to strike a deal with Syria and Iran.

In foreign policy, the administration has failed. Congress has failed. Both the Democratic and Republican Parties have passed the national checkbook to their patrons in the war contracting business. And passed the bill to future generations.

The American people, who in 2008 searched for something redemptive after years of George W. Bush's war, realize in 2014 that hope and change was but a clever slogan. It was used to gain power and to keep it through promoting fear, war, the growth of the National Security state, and an autumnal bonfire of countless billions of tax dollars which fall like leaves from money trees on the banks of the Potomac.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/syria-isis-war_b_5869964.html
 
Another video leaked online, apparently showing the beheading of French hiker Herve Gordel.

Sick sick people. So much hatred and evil in this world :(


Apparently France have been singled out for being filthy and they have been at the forefront of dropping bombs in Libya as well as recently bombing Iraq

Doesn't justify chopping off a guide's head off but France have been very vocal against ISIL right from the off

Big difference from 2003 when french fries were banned in the U.S because of their stance
 
This is what stands out for me in what you posted. This is why Obama resisted getting involved in Syria for so long. He doesn't want to be the tool of some Arab pulling his strings. Arabs would like nothing more than to have a neoconservative Israel-friendly president in the White House, because the Seppos do their dirty work for them and in doing so draw thousands to the banners of these groups, who all want to fight the Army of the Dajjal.

MUST READ. Phase two of the war against Syria is the introduction of 5,000 "moderate" mercenaries (as opposed to immoderate ones), who were trained in Saudi Arabia, the hotbed of Wahhabism, at an initial installment cost of $15 billion. These new "moderates" will replace the old "moderates," who became ISIS, just in time for Halloween.

The administration, in the belief that you can buy, rent, or lease friends where they otherwise do not exist, labor under the vain assumption that our newfound comrades-in-arms will remain in place during their three-year employment period, ignoring the inevitability that those "friends" you hire today could be firing at you tomorrow.

One wonders if Saudi training of these moderate mercenaries will include methods of beheading which were popularized by the Saudi government long before their ISIS progeny took up the grisly practice.

The U.S. is being played.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia can now overtly join with the U.S. in striking Syria, after they have been covertly attempting for years to take down the last secular state in the region. We are now advancing the agenda of the actual Islamic States -- Saudi Arabia and Qatar -- to fight the ersatz Islamic State of ISIS.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/syria-isis-war_b_5869964.html[/QUOTE]
 
Apparently France have been singled out for being filthy and they have been at the forefront of dropping bombs in Libya as well as recently bombing Iraq

Doesn't justify chopping off a guide's head off but France have been very vocal against ISIL right from the off

Big difference from 2003 when french fries were banned in the U.S because of their stance
Well they have twisted thinking. Its not like he authorized the bombing of Libya or any other country in the world. Another reason these extremists shouldn't have any power.
 
Well they have twisted thinking. Its not like he authorized the bombing of Libya or any other country in the world. Another reason these extremists shouldn't have any power.

Exactly, with Qatar said to have been funding Libyan rebel groups according to different sources and Egypt and the UAE bombing the rebels in recent weeks too, not sure why the French have been targeted for acting in the same way

Does open the question whether France should have waited for the hostage situation to be resolved before they went in aggressively, and maybe followed Turkey's lead but that would ultimately have meant in GW bushs' words that the terrorists had won
 
Apparently France have been singled out for being filthy and they have been at the forefront of dropping bombs in Libya as well as recently bombing Iraq

Doesn't justify chopping off a guide's head off but France have been very vocal against ISIL right from the off

Big difference from 2003 when french fries were banned in the U.S because of their stance

Adnani's message was pure pre-pubescent gangsta crap and doesn't fit Islamic ethics of wars for anyone who has ever bothered to look at it, but it's interesting to note that the two Presidents who got involved are Jews (Sarkozy openly, Hollande belongs to a "maranno" family, which on paper is Christian, but deeply Jewish), otherwise Chirac went famous for not sending his troop invading Iraq in 2003 (which triggered a lot of "France-phobia" in the USA).

This is what stands out for me in what you posted. This is why Obama resisted getting involved in Syria for so long. He doesn't want to be the tool of some Arab pulling his strings. Arabs would like nothing more than to have a neoconservative Israel-friendly president in the White House, because the Seppos do their dirty work for them and in doing so draw thousands to the banners of these groups, who all want to fight the Army of the Dajjal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/syria-isis-war_b_5869964.html
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Why not look at it the other way : it's the Arabs who serve as proxy armies for USA's imperialist plan(s) ?
 
Saudi prince and Emirate's first female pilot lead the blitz on ISIS: Arab states send squadrons of fighters to blast terror group in Iraq and Syria

The son of the heir to the Saudi Arabian throne has personally put the royal seal of approval on the attacks against Isis, by taking part in bombing runs.

Prince Khaled bin Salman, the son of Crown Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz, has been pictured in the cockpit of his Tornado jet after piloting it in strikes against the terrorist group in Syria.

He was joined in the skies by the United Arab Emirate's first female air force pilot, Major Mariam Al Mansouri, 35, whose F-16 fighter was one of several from a group of Arab nations that are blitzing Isis.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-fighters-blast-terror-group-Iraq-Syria.html
 
Why not look at it the other way : it's the Arabs who serve as proxy armies for USA's imperialist plan(s) ?

I would have agreed with you if the neocons were still in power. Thankfully they are not*. I think Empire USA is a dream that died along with the millions in Iraq. As far as I know the only country that has annexed part of another in the recent past is Russia. I understand where you are coming from as you grew up in a world where the neocon movement actively espoused boots on the ground on foreign soil to actively promote American interests. Obama is even getting criticised by his own party in the US for being too passive on his foreign policy.

Certainly there are groups in the ME that are Seppo funded and trained. Those have nothing to do with imperial ambitions. It's about maintaining one's place in the world. All powers try to manipulate events within their region and beyond to maintain and grow their influence. Machiavelli wrote about this back in the 15th century. It's the same with Iran and Hamas/Hezbollah, Russia with the pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine, the House of Saud with its support of various Sunni groups in the ME, Israel with its Jewish lobby in the US, the Poms in Scotland. Great powers, whether they have imperial designs or not, tend to exert influence much further beyond their borders, because they can, while the others are limited by their capabilities. The tendency and desire to do this is not exclusive to the Seppos. It's just aligning interests. And when you are not a great power, the next best thing is to get a great power to do your work for you. Something Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia has done with the US very well in the past as he had a very strong relationship with both Bushes and has a very strong relationship with John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

But history shows us that the board is constantly shifting. These groups have a tendency to bite the hand that feeds them when their collective interests are no longer aligned, whether they be the Contras in Nicaragua, Noriega in Panama, Saddam in Iraq or the mujahideen in Afghanistan. Puppets tend to grow minds of their own. I suspect this latest "venture" with arming the Free Syrian Army (whatever little of them are left after half have left to join ISIS and the other half to join Al Nusra Front) will probably end the same way.

*I reserve the right to reconsider my opinion if Marco Rubio becomes president in 2016
 
Happy not to live in Britain anymore...seems there will be some backlash from IS and its pathetic supporters....
 
Six weeks of air strikes and IS hasn't lost a lot of ground it appears. Infact they've captured an Iraqi Army depot 30 miles outside of Baghdad.
 
Adnani's message was pure pre-pubescent gangsta crap and doesn't fit Islamic ethics of wars for anyone who has ever bothered to look at it, but it's interesting to note that the two Presidents who got involved are Jews (Sarkozy openly, Hollande belongs to a "maranno" family, which on paper is Christian, but deeply Jewish), otherwise Chirac went famous for not sending his troop invading Iraq in 2003 (which triggered a lot of "France-phobia" in the USA).

France is openly Zionist

I'm always put France's anti Algerian and Hijab down to their crusade history though and their adoption of a more militant Christianity than the norm but maybe it's down to Zionism

They have always been at the forefront of anti muslim hysteria though whether that be banning the veil or drawing controversial cartoons

Not that that made any difference to the khawijities, who don't really need a reason to behead anyone, sunni, shia or other
 
IS according to the BBC are FIVE miles away from Baghdad. That air war is going well...
 
American neo cons aren't the brightest, but it's always funny when they bring Obama's Islamic background, as if he was already moving the statue of Liberty towards Mecca when in fact, whether Democrat, Republican, Christian, Buddhism ... or whatever supposed political and religious ideology, the aim remains the same : to fuel the American military-industrial complex by exploiting conflicts (wars, proxy wars) in the resources-rich Middle East, then cry because some of their civilians die and thus... bomb the Middle East, again.

The US is bombing targets inside Syria, in concert with its lovely and inspiring group of five allied regimes: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Jordan.

That means that Syria becomes the 7th predominantly Muslim country bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate Barack Obama—after Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Iraq.

The utter lack of interest in what possible legal authority Obama has to bomb Syria is telling indeed: Empires bomb who they want, when they want, for whatever reason (indeed, recall that Obama bombed Libya even after Congress explicitly voted against authorization to use force, and very few people seemed to mind that abject act of lawlessness; constitutional constraints are not for warriors and emperors).

It was just over a year ago that Obama officials were insisting that bombing and attacking Assad was a moral and strategic imperative. Instead, Obama is now bombing Assad’s enemies while politely informing his regime of its targets in advance. It seems irrelevant on whom the US wages war; what matters it that it will be at war, always and forever.

Six weeks of bombing hasn’t budged ISIS in Iraq, but it has caused ISIS recruitment to soar. That’s all predictable: the US has known for years that what fuels and strengthens anti-American sentiment (and thus anti-American extremism) is exactly what they keep doing: aggression in that region. If you know that, then they know that. At this point, it’s more rational to say they do all of this not despite triggering those outcomes, but because of it.

Continuously creating and strengthening enemies is a feature, not a bug. It is what justifies the ongoing greasing of the profitable and power-vesting machine of Endless War.

If there is anyone who actually believes that the point of all of this is a moral crusade to vanquish the evil-doers of ISIS (as the US fights alongside its close Saudi friends), please read Professor As’ad AbuKhalil’s explanation today of how Syria is a multi-tiered proxy war.

As the disastrous Libya “intervention” should conclusively and permanently demonstrate, the US does not bomb countries for humanitarian objectives. Humanitarianism is the pretense, not the purpose.

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/syria-is...mbed-by-nobel-peace-prize-winner-barack-obama
 
Iraq Pilots Mistakenly Gave Food, Ammunition to ISIS Militants
Iraqi military pilots mistakenly gave food, water and ammunition to enemy ISIS militants instead of their own soldiers, a senior security official and a brigadier-general told NBC News. The supplies were supposed to help besieged Iraqi army officers and soldiers who had been fighting Islamist extremists for a week in Saglawyah and the village of Al-Sijar in the country’s western province of Anbar.

“Some pilots, instead of dropping these supplies over the area of the Iraqi army, threw it over the area that is controlled by ISIS fighters,” said Hakim Al-Zamili, a lawmaker in the Iraqi parliament who is a member of the security and defense committee and acts as a security liaison for service members and commanders formed by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. “Those soldiers were in deadly need of these supplies, but because of the wrong plans of the commanders in the Iraqi army and lack of experience of the pilots, we in a way or another helped ISIS fighters to kill our soldiers.”

A brigadier-general in Iraq’s Defense Ministry, who declined to be named, confirmed the incident, which occurred on Sept. 19. “Yes, that's what had happened,” the officer said, adding that some air force pilots “do not have enough experience … they are all young and new.” Both Al-Zamili and the brigadier-general said there would be an investigation to determine the cause of the blunder.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/iraq-pilots-mistakenly-gave-food-ammunition-isis-militants-n214956
Looking at incompetence of this greatly trained force after Saddam, I wonder if the Iraqi army will ever be able to defeat Daesh on their own.
 
According to PM Harper Canada will decide this Friday whether it will send fighter jets to fight ISIS in Iraq.
 
What does Daesh mean?


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American neo cons aren't the brightest, but it's always funny when they bring Obama's Islamic background, as if he was already moving the statue of Liberty towards Mecca when in fact, whether Democrat, Republican, Christian, Buddhism ... or whatever supposed political and religious ideology, the aim remains the same : to fuel the American military-industrial complex by exploiting conflicts (wars, proxy wars) in the resources-rich Middle East, then cry because some of their civilians die and thus... bomb the Middle East, again.

This rhetoric sounds the same as.........................
 
What a barbaric act and right before Eid too. These bloodthirsty criminals must be wiped off the face of the earth. RIP Alan Henning, he paid the ultimate sacrifice for his humanitarian work, he didn't deserve this.

On Radio 5 Live a Manchester imam has broken down in tears, there's been widespread condemnation from British Muslims. I'm so sick of this endless state of war, if hell exists its in the Middle East right now.
 
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What does Daesh mean?

ISIS in arabic language is Daish but now its no more ISIS or Daish because the are expending their mission so now they are calling it IS (Islamic State) which means not only limited to Iraq and Syria like before (ISIS).
 
What Eid gifts ISIS and Israel offer at the same time. That's British Pak. scholar Abu Eesa Niamatullah's reaction :

They say I'm being overly-emotional over Alan Henning's murder.

But why on Earth are you surprised?! These #ISIS scum just murdered the *last* person you would think of attacking: a close and dear friend of the Muslim Community, a self-less humanitarian, and our neighbour here in Manchester. Our hearts are broken.

I have never *ever* exercised such restraint in my life as I did whilst attempting to engage with #ISIS - I was writing and saying things to them in Arabic and English media interviews in such a manner so as to show them respect and objectivity in the desperate hope it would save Alan's life.

It BURNED me speaking like that, but I always told myself throughout: swallow your ego, this is bigger than you or your emotions, this is about standing up for innocent aid-workers and reporters who help the cause of the oppressed Syrian people, and do so under a promise of safety from the Muslims everywhere. This is about saving their LIVES.

I pleaded with #ISIS on the basis of humanity. That was naive of me. They never had it in the first place.

I pleased with #ISIS on the basis that Alan was our friend, colleague, supporter, neighbour and absolutely free from the crimes of the UK/US governments. That was naive of me again. #ISIS were looking *specifically* for such people. They orgasmed over the fact that they could slaughter such an innocent man like Alan for maximum "shock and awe" purposes.

I pleaded with #ISIS on the basis of Islamic Law. That was most naive of all. They never cared about anything Islamic, EVER. They didn't have a shred of evidence to even hold him for 5 mins, let alone kidnap him or harm him, forget about killing him. Their own Kangaroo "Shari'ah" court proved Alan Henning's innocence. But that would only have meant something if *Islam* actually meant something to them, if they actually genuinely *believed* in Islamic Law. They didn't of course. They spat on the Law.

I failed Alan. For that, I apologise to everyone who cared for him, especially his family. My condolences to you all, and my condolences to ourselves because WE suffered a big loss.

But if I failed Alan, then these criminals failed basic humanity, let alone their failing in their attempt at practising any remote semblance of Islam.

That is because these pigs are nothing but psychopaths. Only the insane go to join them. Only the insane sit around in their mothers' bedrooms supporting them. And then only the insane watch in horror and comment on and condemn and lament their actions afterwards. Those last group of insane ones are us. Yes, they have actually driven the Muslim Community around the world insane.

And so let them rot in the living hell of delusion and misguidance they have created for themselves now, and let them save themselves from the Hell promised to those who murder wantonly.

As I said here a few months back, and I mean it even more right now:

"Created by the Enemy, they fought the Enemy, then they became an enemy. And they will die an enemy. Thus will be the legacy of ISIS."

O Allah protect the Muslims from their harm, and forgive us all for not doing more for those who needed us.
 
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Condolences to the family of Alan Henning. He was a good guy.

But he was probably killed a long time ago.
 
Pakistan Taliban vow support for IS in Syria and Iraq
The Pakistani Taliban have expressed their support for Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria and Iraq.

In a statement marking the Muslim festival of Eid, the group appealed to Islamists there to unite against the "enemy" - the US-led alliance.

IS has taken over large parts of Syria and Iraq, but has also been battling al-Qaeda-linked rival militant groups.

The Pakistani Taliban has been waging its own insurgency against the Islamabad government since 1997.

'Forget rivalries'
Saturday's statement was issued by the leader of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Maulana Fazlullah, sent by his spokesman.

Addressing IS in Syria and Iraq, he said: "We are proud of your conquests against the enemies. We are with you in good and bad times."

"In these troubled days, we call on you to be patient and stay united as your enemies are now united against you. Forget rivalries."

The statement said the global Muslim community would "stand by you in these tough times and help with what we can".

The BBC's Shaimaa Khalil in Islamabad says there has been little evidence so far of an agreement between IS and the Pakistani Taliban.

But recently, our correspondent adds, supporters of IS have been spotted in the north-western Pakistani city of Peshawar distributing pamphlets praising the group.
IS's swift offensives in Iraq since June have prompted the US and its allies to carry out air strikes to halt the group's advance.

On Saturday, Kurdish Peshmerga fighters and Shia militiamen drove IS fighters from a strategically important bridge near the northern city of Kirkuk.

In Syria, IS has been advancing on the town of Kobane, on the Turkish border, which has become a key battleground between the militants and its opponents, who include Kurdish fighters as well.

More than 160,000 Syrians, mainly Kurds, have fled across the border since IS launched its offensive on Kobane last month.

More than 190,000 people have been killed in more than three years of conflict in Syria.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29494772
 
Somebody whatsapped me the video earlier today, very sick stuff. How do they make these guys give that final message to their families? Like you know you're being unfairly killed by these nutters then why take their side in the final moment? Do the terrorists mentally prepare the victims before executing?
 
Somebody whatsapped me the video earlier today, very sick stuff. How do they make these guys give that final message to their families? Like you know you're being unfairly killed by these nutters then why take their side in the final moment? Do the terrorists mentally prepare the victims before executing?

Probably what happened is that these people were told they would be freed if they made the statement. The beheading comes later. And they probably don't know what happened to the others, I'm guessing that like a movie, parts are filmed out of sequence and edited/spliced together after. Maybe they took all the statements in a row in one week, and beheaded them all at the same time another week, put the videos together, and are just releasing a different video each week.

Also, there's a thing called Stockholm Syndrome, where captives begin to feel an affinity for their captors and want to please them in the hope they will be released.
 
Would be an extraordinary irony if Turkey intervenes in Iraq on the side of the Kurds against ISIL, inadvertently helping the creation of an independent Kurdistan (if the Kurds wish to secede).
 
Would be an extraordinary irony if Turkey intervenes in Iraq on the side of the Kurds against ISIL, inadvertently helping the creation of an independent Kurdistan (if the Kurds wish to secede).

The Iraqi Kurds are pro Turkey, thanks to the efforts of Erdogan when it comes to deal with their autonomous regional govt.

The next man on the list : Peter 'Abdul-Rahman' Kassig, an(other) humanitarian, who eventually converted to Islam in 2013. His family :

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The parents of a US hostage who is being held by Islamic State militants in Syria, have released a letter he has written in captivity.

Abdul-Rahman Kassig, known as Peter Kassig before he converted to Islam, wrote in June that he was "scared to die" and saddened by the pain his ordeal was causing to the family.

Last week IS posted a video showing the beheading of UK hostage Alan Henning.

It ended with a threat to kill 26-year-old Mr Kassig.

It was the fourth such video released by the militant group, which controls large swathes of Syria and Iraq.

Previous victims were American reporter James Foley, American-Israeli journalist Steven Sotloff and British aid worker David Haines.

IS said they were killed in retaliation for US-led air strikes on the group's targets.

Ed and Paula Kassig said they had decided to release excerpts from their son's letter "so the world can understand why we and so many people care for him and admire him".

Who is Abdul-Rahman Kassig?

Former US Army Ranger who served in Iraq in 2007
Travelled to Lebanon in May 2012, volunteering in hospitals and treating Syrian refugees
Founded aid organisation Special Emergency Response and Assistance (Sera) in 2012 to provide aid to Syrian refugees
Converted to Islam in 2013, changing name from Peter Kassig

"We want to send our heartfelt thanks to the many people around the world who have offered their prayers and support to our family at this difficult time, and especially to those who know our son and worked with him in Lebanon, Turkey or Syria.

We are overwhelmed by the response from those who consider Abdul-Rahman a hero for the work he was doing before he was taken captive."

In the letter, Abdul-Rahman Kassig wrote: "I am obviously pretty scared to die but the hardest part is not knowing, wondering, hoping, and wondering if I should even hope at all.

"I am very sad that all this has happened and for what all of you back home are going through.

"If I do die, I figure that at least you and I can seek refuge and comfort in knowing that I went out as a result of trying to alleviate suffering and helping those in need.

"In terms of my faith, I pray everyday and I am not angry about my situation in that sense."

The letter - which the parents received on 2 June - ends with the words: "I love you."

Mr Kassig's parents said he had been working for the relief organisation he founded, Special Emergency Response and Assistance (Sera), when he was captured on his way to Deir Ezzor in eastern Syria a year ago.

In a statement they said their son's "journey toward Islam" had begun before he was taken captive but they understood he had converted voluntarily late last year while sharing a cell with a devout Muslim.

IS may hold many more hostages.

The group has its roots in al-Qaeda's Iraqi affiliate but was expelled over its brutal tactics and refusal to obey orders to confine its activities to Iraq.

It has since grown more powerful, and captured large areas of both countries in recent months.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29501837
 
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The Iraqi Kurds are pro Turkey, thanks to the efforts of Erdogan when it comes to deal with their autonomous regional govt.

The next man on the list : Peter 'Abdul-Rahman' Kassig, an(other) humanitarian, who eventually converted to Islam in 2013. His family :

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29501837

In all likelihood he is already dead. If these parents had any sense they would be mourning his death rather than holding out vain hope. We just haven't seen the snuff film yet.
 
Pakistan’s Lessons for Turkey

Last week, Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, declared that Turkey is ready “for any cooperation in the fight against terrorism.” Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu argued that Islamic State militants pose a greater threat to Turkey and the Muslim world than to the West.

But Turkey’s dilemma is far more grave than its leaders realize. Indeed, Turkey’s current situation resembles the early years of Pakistan’s sponsorship of the Taliban. The Islamic State is recruiting militants in Turkey. And failure to clean its own house now could lead Turkey down the path of “Pakistanization,” whereby a resident jihadist infrastructure causes Sunni extremism to ingrain itself deeply within the fabric of society.

Although Turkey now recognizes the threat — the Turkish government voted to authorize military force in Iraq and Syria on Thursday — it has yet to come to terms with its own responsibility for helping to create it.

Turkey claims that radical groups grew stronger because moderates seeking the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria were not given adequate aid. But that is not the whole picture. As Francis J. Ricciardone Jr., the former American ambassador to Turkey, has pointed out, Ankara supported radical groups, including the Nusra Front. Indeed, during the early days of Syria’s civil war, jihadist groups funneled fighters and resources through Turkey into Syria.

Turkey’s intervention in the Syrian civil war parallels Pakistan’s support of the Taliban to affect the course of the Afghan civil war. But the jihadism abetted by Pakistan did not remain across the Afghan border. Turkey may now be witnessing the beginnings of a similar blowback.

While the magnitude of Turkey’s recent engagement of jihadist proxies isn’t comparable to Pakistan’s long history of jihadist sponsorship, the late Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s ill-fated relationship with the Sunni extremists of Pakistan’s Deobandi movement is still instructive for Turkey. Pakistan’s Deobandis dedicated themselves to implementing “the system of the Caliphate of the Rightly Guided,” a Sunni sectarian state to serve as a South Asian stepping stone to a worldwide Islamic caliphate.

Pakistan’s experience with blowback began prior to Ms. Bhutto’s tenure, when General Zia ul-Haq’s regime backed mujahedeen militias as proxies to combat Soviet forces in Afghanistan. Organized by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence directorate with assistance from the United States and Saudi Arabia, the recruitment networks within Pakistan started a radicalization process among segments of Pakistan’s population. The most susceptible group was the more than three million Afghan refugees. (The I.S.I. in particular backed Hekmatyar Gulbuddin’s Hezb-i-Islami, which was part of a rival to movement to the Deobandis.)

Afghan refugee boys began attending Deobandi madrassas, and small numbers of teachers and students began joining militant groups to fight the Soviets. Upon the Soviet withdrawal and the fall of the Afghan Communist government, the mujahedeen turned on one another, prolonging Afghanistan’s civil war, and the presence of millions of Afghan refugees in Pakistan.
In 1994, Ms. Bhutto began to abet militancy to secure Pakistani objectives in Afghanistan. The Bhutto government facilitated a paramilitary force of thousands of madrassa students to cross the border and take control of Afghanistan’s Kandahar Province. With Pakistan’s help, this militia of “Taliban,” literally “students,” conquered large swaths of Afghan territory and declared its commander, Mullah Omar, to be caliph. Like the Taliban before them, the Islamic State has designated its commander, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, as caliph and calls the territories under its control a caliphate.

Their militancy soon crossed the border. After the initial stage of mobilizing volunteers and weapons for jihad in Afghanistan, a second phase developed in which Pakistan witnessed a wave of anti-Shiite violence, including bombings of Karachi’s major Shiite mosques by the Taliban’s sister organization in Pakistan, Sipah-e Sahaba.

The Turkish government’s decision to turn a blind eye to Islamic State activity within its borders has similarly led to the extremists’ increasing influence in certain areas of Turkey’s major cities. The recent and unprecedented arson attacks on Shiite mosques in Istanbul may indicate that Turkey is entering this second phase. Turkey is home to only a small Shiite community; but Turkey’s Alevis, a heterodox Muslim sect often regarded as heretical by Sunnis, constitute about 20 percent of Turkey’s population.

A campaign by Sunni extremists against the Alevi community could lead Turkey into a Pakistan-like vortex of sectarian violence and radicalization. The present government’s own politics of polarization, illustrated by Mr. Erdogan’s baiting of the opposition leader Kemal Kilicdaroglu due to his Alevi background during Turkey’s recent presidential election campaign, may further inflame sectarian tensions. And Islamic State militants will not hesitate to exploit the Sunni-Alevi fault line in Turkish society.

Pakistan’s final and most dangerous stage of extremism occurred when the flow of militants and resources was reversed. As the Taliban conquered most of Afghanistan, it provided training camps and other logistical support to its allies, making it harder for Pakistan to control militant organizations inside its borders. After 9/11, Gen. Pervez Musharraf attempted to crack down on militants inside Pakistan. His efforts culminated in the 2007 Red Mosque battle in Islamabad and the subsequent coalescing of militants into the movement known as the Pakistani Taliban.

Turkey has not experienced this stage yet. But the Islamic State may find fertile recruiting ground among Turkey’s 1.3 million Syrian refugees. And Turkish citizens may be drawn into the orbit of militancy just as segments of Pakistan’s population have been. If the Islamic State’s Turkish networks remain intact, Turkey runs the risk that homegrown militants will be empowered by the return of fighters from Islamic State territory in Syria and Iraq.

Ms. Bhutto’s strategy of employing militant proxies to create a client state in Afghanistan succeeded — but at a high price for Pakistan. That is a warning for Turkey, which must recognize that it cannot shield itself from Sunni militancy while pursuing a Sunni sectarian foreign policy in the Middle East.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pakistans-lessons-for-turkey.html?_r=0
 
Pregnant’ Austrian teens who joined Islamic State: We’ve made a huge mistake

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Two Austrian teens got way more than they bargained for when they abandoned their homes and families to become “poster girls” for ISIS terrorists, and now they desperately want to come home.
Samra Kesinovic, 17, and friend Sabina Selimovic, 15, would love to press the undo button on the last six months, during which they traded their comfortable existence in Europe for a life of evil engineered by terrorists.

The teens are believed to be married, pregnant and living in the ISIS-controlled city of Raqqa in northern Syria, Central European News reports. That’s a change of heart from the April note they left behind for their parents that read: “Don’t look for us. We will serve Allah, and we will die for him.”
For weeks, social-media accounts believed to belong to the girls had been posting pictures and information that seemed to suggest the young duo enjoyed living a life of terror.

The pictures showed the two girls smiling and wearing their new Muslim garb, sometimes while flanked by armed fighters. Some of the images appeared to show the girls carrying weapons. But authorities in Austria say it was all an elaborate plan set up by ISIS to persuade the world that the two wanted to be the poster girls for jihad in Syria.

Some of the images may have been faked, including some that were taken years earlier of other women and re-posted on the girls social-media pages, Austrian authorities said. “It is clear that whoever is operating their pages it probably is not the girls and that they are being used for propaganda,” said one Austrian security official.

The teens apparently were lured to ISIS by propaganda preached at their local mosque. Clerics told them that the only way to know true peace was to head to Syria and take part in the holy war, officials said. The girls had started lecturing schoolmates about their lifestyle and were even suspected of being behind a vandalism attack at their school calling for jihad.
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Austrian media are reporting that Kesinovic and Selimovic have said enough is enough and want to return to their families. Now Kesinovic and Selimovic have had enough and are eager to return to their families, according to CEN. The girls reportedly managed to get word to their families they want to come home.

But reports also said the teens don’t feel they can flee because too many people now associate them with ISIS savagery. “The main problem is about people coming back to Austria,” said Austrian Interior Ministry spokesman Karl-Heinz Grundboeck. “Once they leave, it is almost impossible.”

Kesinovic and Selimovic are among the bevy of women ISIS has recruited from around the world. Although its strict interpretation of Islamic law limits a woman’s place in society, women are often recruited into vital support roles through aggressive social-media campaigns that promise devout jihadist husbands. In May, 16-year-old British twin sisters followed their older brother to Syria so they could marry jihadists, according to London’s Daily Mail.

Several weeks ago, a 16-year-old was arrested at a French airport under suspicion she was traveling to Syria to join Islamist rebels. A 15-year-old French girl named Nora, the daughter of Moroccan immigrants, was lured by Syria through Facebook, according to her brother Foad. She has said she wants to come home, and Foad traveled to Syria — but he was not allowed to leave with her.
“As soon as they manage to snare a girl, they do everything they can to keep her,” Foad said.
Girls aren’t there for combat, just for marriage and children. A reproduction machine.

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle...e-a-huge-mistake/story-fnh81ifq-1227087106443
 
It really boggles my mind and is impossible to be in their shoes, but how could it even come to this and they got attracted to ISIS and ended up there?

I just dont understand...
 
exactly how was their sentiment expressed to the media?

i doubt they are even there, and if so, i am sure they regret it, as anyone who joins the vile outfit ought to. but i dont think they can successfully communicate it to anyone without severe repercussions.
 
It really boggles my mind and is impossible to be in their shoes, but how could it even come to this and they got attracted to ISIS and ended up there?

I just dont understand...

It boggles my mind too but a large number of young folks from developed countries have traveled out of their country to join the fight. I was not aware of teenage girls though. I knew only about the hundreds of boys from UK and many other countries.


It seems that somehow girls have communicated this to their families. At least that's what report says. I hope that their names have been changed here, otherwise they will have a slim chance of getting out of this mess.
 
They are Bosnian Muslim Migrants who settled in Austria.

Those that I have known and seen in the UK are not religious at all. They are mostly Muslim by name only.
Not that I cared, got on with them well in any case.

Looks like these Young girls got manipulated and brainwashed by some local extremists. I blame the parents more, they should have kept one eye on them as well.
 
The Khansa brigade have become quite infamous for ISIS , named after a great woman , don't really do her name any justice
 
Honestly speaking, I find it hard to sympathize with these girls.

You need to be at a whole new level of stupid/naive/crazy to be sucked into this ISIS scheme. Especially when you are from an educated family in a well developed country.

Can't imagine what would make someone go to a completely unknown country to fight a bloody battle.

Maybe brainwashing is a tough thing to comprehend unless it happens to you.
 
Honestly speaking, I find it hard to sympathize with these girls.

You need to be at a whole new level of stupid/naive/crazy to be sucked into this ISIS scheme. Especially when you are from an educated family in a well developed country.

Can't imagine what would make someone go to a completely unknown country to fight a bloody battle.

Maybe brainwashing is a tough thing to comprehend unless it happens to you.

thats harsh but i think you are right.

I cannot imagine ever making such a stupid decision at any point of my life.The age excuse doesnt really sit well with me to be honest. It is correctt that we are not in their shoes but still...
 
They are Bosnian Muslim Migrants who settled in Austria.

Those that I have known and seen in the UK are not religious at all. They are mostly Muslim by name only.
Not that I cared, got on with them well in any case.

Looks like these Young girls got manipulated and brainwashed by some local extremists. I blame the parents more, they should have kept one eye on them as well.

same a lot of Albanians have joined them too. And they are generally a very very secular group to the point where most wouldnt consider them Muslims. So its even more mind boggling to see these groups of people joining ISIS in thisfight.
 
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thats harsh but i think you are right.

I cannot imagine ever making such a stupid decision at any point of my life.The age excuse doesnt really sit well with me to be honest. It is correctt that we are not in their shoes but still...

Exactly.

Its harsh I agree but when we put it in a different way,

1. What level of guts must these girls have had to go to an unknown country without telling their parents, to meet people who behead others, cut their arms and legs, etc without a care in this world?

2. No matter how logical their reasoning may seem to them, won't alarm bells ring in their head when they were being asked to go to an unknown place full of these people with no option of EVER returning back.

3. What about the pain and suffering they have to give to their parents?

...its hard to sympathize.

I guess the argument angle of "fighting for jihad like ISIS does is what true followers must do - the rest of the Muslims are all hypocrites and would burn in hell for eternity" is a very powerful weapon.

Once you believe the premise, I guess going to Syria to fight for ISIS is a pretty logical step cos

Suffering for eternity >>>>>> Suffering/Inconvenience in one tiny life

I don't know. Maybe I do feel sorry for them now.
 
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They are Bosnian Muslim Migrants who settled in Austria.

Those that I have known and seen in the UK are not religious at all. They are mostly Muslim by name only.
Not that I cared, got on with them well in any case.

Looks like these Young girls got manipulated and brainwashed by some local extremists. I blame the parents more, they should have kept one eye on them as well.

I guess that's the situation with all of cases involved with teens going to fight in different countries. Parents are surely to blame for this.

Honestly speaking, I find it hard to sympathize with these girls.

You need to be at a whole new level of stupid/naive/crazy to be sucked into this ISIS scheme. Especially when you are from an educated family in a well developed country.

Can't imagine what would make someone go to a completely unknown country to fight a bloody battle.

Maybe brainwashing is a tough thing to comprehend unless it happens to you.

Very harsh. Kids are shown fancy videos and duped into this. Everyone is not very mature at 15-16 years of age. Then religion angle is used heavily and it may work to brainwash some kids. They are still kids, getting brainwashed and duped.
 
Just shows how vulnerable and naive teenagers are at that age. They think they've got it all figured out. Feel sorry for them.
 
Very harsh. Kids are shown fancy videos and duped into this. Everyone is not very mature at 15-16 years of age. Then religion angle is used heavily and it may work to brainwash some kids. They are still kids, getting brainwashed and duped.

I know its harsh.

I know they are shown videos and stuff.

Still.....it takes guts and arrogance (that they know better than their parents) and stupidity to do what they did.

After writing my last post (#11), I think I do feel sorry for them cos brainwashing is powerful.
 
If resources and logistics are there I am sure many girls from our very own Lal Masjid will be joining ISIS.
 
It really boggles my mind and is impossible to be in their shoes, but how could it even come to this and they got attracted to ISIS and ended up there?

I just dont understand...

People tend to fall for The Big Idea at that age, be it Communism, veganism, or Islamism.
 
same a lot of Albanians have joined them too. And they are generally a very very secular group to the point where most wouldnt consider them Muslims. So its even more mind boggling to see these groups of people joining ISIS in thisfight rather than your tradition Afgani, Pashtuns etc

True, it's like jumping from one extreme to the other.

I read something really interesting in the daily Mail today that 3 of the British IS fighters killed in Syria in the last 2 years went to Eton - one of the most expensive Top private school in England. A background on thier families showed they were secular or not religious at all but somewhere (probably online) they got brainwashed into joining these fanatical groups.

There needs to be more vigilance in the community because turning a blind eye is not going to work.
 
same a lot of Albanians have joined them too. And they are generally a very very secular group to the point where most wouldnt consider them Muslims. So its even more mind boggling to see these groups of people joining ISIS in thisfight rather than your tradition Afgani, Pashtuns etc

ISIS is more Arab based.
 
I wonder what happened to Bosnia to have made such pretty girls so radicalised? I just read somewhere today that 8,000 men were butchered in one town alone by the Serbs while the UN looked the other way.
 
True, it's like jumping from one extreme to the other.

I read something really interesting in the daily Mail today that 3 of the British IS fighters killed in Syria in the last 2 years went to Eton - one of the most expensive Top private school in England. A background on thier families showed they were secular or not religious at all but somewhere (probably online) they got brainwashed into joining these fanatical groups.

There needs to be more vigilance in the community because turning a blind eye is not going to work.
It's not Eton, however it's one of the top comprehensive schools in the UK so it's called the 'Eton' of comprehensives.
 
Just reading through that OP again and I don't see any quotes to back up that thread title. Maybe I missed it.
 
Pregnant’ Austrian teens who joined Islamic State: We’ve made a huge mistake

Hope all the radicals go and join the ISIS and never come back.

You're spot on. One way tickets with taxpayer dollars does sound like a good deal.


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Everyone wants to be a bad guy. Its different to pretend to be a bad guy like rap star gangstas then being a real bad guy.

Who was surprised that these girls would be used as token to pass around and get pregenent.
 
I remember someone telling me that the naive, idiots, and loners(smart) are the easiest people to brainwash.
 
ISIS has published an article saying that enslaving women is justified under their interpretation of Shariah.

ISIS states its justification for the enslavement of women
By Salma Abdelaziz, CNN
updated 6:39 PM EDT, Sun October 12, 2014

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
In an online magazine, the terror group says it is legitimate under Islamic law
The Muslim world at large repudiates that interpretation as a perversion of Islam

(CNN) -- In a new publication, ISIS justifies its kidnapping of women as sex slaves citing Islamic theology, an interpretation that is rejected by the Muslim world at large as a perversion of Islam.

"One should remember that enslaving the families of the kuffar -- the infidels -- and taking their women as concubines is a firmly established aspect of the Shariah, or Islamic law," the group says in an online magazine published Sunday.

The title of the article sums up the ISIS point of view: "The revival (of) slavery before the Hour," referring to Judgment Day.

The fourth edition of the group's English-language digital magazine called "Dabiq" said that female members of the Yazidi sect, an ethnically Kurdish minority living mostly in Iraq, may legitimately be captured and forcibly made concubines or sexual slaves.

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The rationalization for a return to slavery -- repudiated around the world -- coincided with the release of a Human Rights Watch report on crimes committed by ISIS against the Yazidis in Iraq based on interviews with 76 displaced people in Dohuk.

"The Islamic State's litany of horrific crimes against the Yazidis in Iraq only keeps growing," said Fred Abrahams, special adviser at Human Rights Watch. "We heard shocking stories of forced religious conversions, forced marriage, and even sexual assault and slavery -- and some of the victims were children."

A 17-year-old kidnapped girl named Adlee recounts how a large bearded man forced her into a home in Falluja, where she was beaten and endured violent sexual advances before escaping two days later, the Human Rights Watch report reads.

ISIS forced tens of thousands of Yazidis to flee their homes in August when the extremists stormed many of the community's towns and cities in Iraqi Kurdistan. Displaced families and monitoring groups reported jihadists kidnapped hundreds of Yazidi women and girls, and many were sold or given away to militants as "spoils of war."

The terror group's 56-page propaganda publication also boasts of a "massacre against (Kurdish) PKK soldiers" alongside graphic images of slain men dressed in fatigues. On the next page, ISIS glorifies its "Services for Muslims" with photographs of a care home for the elderly and a cancer treatment center for children.

The issue, titled "The Failed Crusade," includes an alleged copy of slain American journalist Steven Sotloff's last letter to his mother and says the victim's Jewish identity warranted his beheading by ISIS.

Another ISIS captive, British journalist John Cantlie, allegedly pens the last section of the magazine, saying he expects to be killed soon, and "unless something changes very quickly and very radically, I await my turn."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/12/world/meast/isis-justification-slavery/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 
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