Is Mickey Arthur resigned to the problems in Pakistan Cricket?

[Savak]

I remember when he first came to the Pakistan team he talked about implementing world class standards, adopting a modern ruthless fitness culture, adopting a ruthless high performance environment in the Pakistan team.

But his persistent selection with mediocrity, playing non effective bowlers, playing accumulators in the line up, again not selecting spinners who can actually spin the ball in UAE conditions.

I just get the feeling that he is fed up with the environment in Pakistan Cricket and has given up on being able to make a difference.

Or maybe he is just clueless and just talks good in press conferences and interviews but has nothing to show as far as walking is concerned.

 

[Omer2002]

i dont think he has much say in selection. he is doing his best but its up to players to perform. i do feel his contract wont be renewed after world cup

 

[topspin]

Inzy and Sarfraz are more to blame for their incompetence.

Mickey is clueless with how to use spinners but who is selecting the likes of Yasir Shah? It certainly isn’t him, it’s the same selector who recalled umer Gul and handed Sami Aslam his debut in the England ODI series 3 years ago on the basis of his test form. Not to forget he also recalled Rahat in ODIs.

I do agree he’s lost motivation but that’s expected when the TTFs keep making reappearances. We should be grateful we’ve moved on from Waqar Younis who is notorious for his defensive and conservative approach with batting concerned! I can bet you bottom dollar we wouldn’t have won the CT under him but seen a repeat of the previous tournament (also in England back in 2013), when Pakistan lost every game.

Pakistan’s biggest problem isn’t the batting but more to do with the fact our spin stocks are perhaps at their all-time low, which was expected following ICC’s clampdown one suspect actions. Due to this reason the side has failed to replace Ajmal and Hafeez as no right arm finger spinners are coming through the system anymore, essentially limiting our spin options and ultimately the potency of this bowling attack.

The criticism of Mickey is OTT and somewhat misplaced. He is not the main culprit with Pakistan’s inability to compete with top sides.

 

[Savak]

i dont think he has much say in selection. he is doing his best but its up to players to perform. i do feel his contract wont be renewed after world cup

To say Mickey Arthur has no say in selection is rubbish, Inzi has selected spinners in the past in the squad i.e. Asghar, Bilal Asif. Now regardless of how good or bad they are, even a kindergarden student can tell you UAE pitches in test matches assist spinners and you play spinners regardless of how good or bad they are, but Mickey still insists on going spin light in the games or playing darters, non-existent spinners.

 

[Savak]

Inzy and Sarfraz are more to blame for their incompetence.

Mickey is clueless with how to use spinners but who is selecting the likes of Yasir Shah? It certainly isn’t him, it’s the same selector who recalled umer Gul and handed Sami Aslam his debut in the England ODI series 3 years ago on the basis of his test form. Not to forget he also recalled Rahat in ODIs.

I do agree he’s lost motivation but that’s expected when the TTFs keep making reappearances. We should be grateful we’ve moved on from Waqar Younis who is notorious for his defensive and conservative approach with batting concerned! I can bet you bottom dollar we wouldn’t have won the CT under him but seen a repeat of the previous tournament (also in England back in 2013), when Pakistan lost every game.

Pakistan’s biggest problem isn’t the batting but more to do with the fact our spin stocks are perhaps at their all-time low, which was expected following ICC’s clampdown one suspect actions. Due to this reason the side has failed to replace Ajmal and Hafeez as no right arm finger spinners are coming through the system anymore, essentially limiting our spin options and ultimately the potency of this bowling attack.

The criticism of Mickey is OTT and somewhat misplaced. He is not the main culprit with Pakistan’s inability to compete with top sides.

Pakistan's spins stocks are certainly not low, we have Zafar Gohar who spins the ball prodigiously, we had Umar Khan, we have Bilal Asif who may not be world class but should have been persisted with. There is no excuse to be persisting with darters like Imad and a no turner like Yasir.

Other sides also do not have extra ordinary spinners either, but there bowlers bowl to a plan, they know when to attack and when to defend, are smart enough to assess bowling conditions where if there is nothing on offer, they restrict run scoring as much as possible and have confidence their batting line up can chase those runs down with ease.

 

[Farhan93]

Criticism on Mickey Arthur is completely justified, even more criticism should be done. As, He's not under pressure at all.

He's a biggest culprit even bigger than inzi for our pathetic performances. Where is his fitness regime now? He kicked out Umar Akmal before CT because he wasn't fit according to him now he's accepting the likes of Yasir around ODI Squad? What happened?

He doesn't even have a clue who are our top performers in domestic in each of the formats, who's responsible for that? Himself. No body stops him from monitoring domestic performances. Why is he not aware about the best spinner in Pak i.e Kashif bhatti? Or players like Sadaf Hussain, Saud Shakeel, Khushdil shah, Khalid Usman, Irfan? Because he doesn't give a damn about List A performers. He himself said PSL performers would be rewarded and considered for the worldcup.

So, don't defend his ridiculous Coaching just because he's a foreigner and he must be right in whatever he's doing . He thinks he can make us fool by showing silly emotions in the dressing room that he cares about our cricket , fact is he's a most pathetic coach we have ever had along side Waqar and Lawson. Should have kicked him out after we lost 2-0 to Srilanka in UAE because he didn't select a spinner.

 

[Titan24]

There was a reason Australia fired him and I dont think PCB considered any of those reasons.

 

[Farhan93]

My reply was to [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

 

[hitthestump]

The actual preparation for this WC has been pretty decent and the team is more or less there on paper, it's just significantly underperforming. Resting players in the penultimate ODI series before the WC has turned out to be an insane decision and i'm not sure who's fault that is.

 

[Savak]

Criticism on Mickey Arthur is completely justified, even more criticism should be done. As, He's not under pressure at all.

He's a biggest culprit even bigger than inzi for our pathetic performances. Where is his fitness regime now? He kicked out Umar Akmal before CT because he wasn't fit according to him now he's accepting the likes of Yasir around ODI Squad? What happened?

He doesn't even have a clue who are our top performers in domestic in each of the formats, who's responsible for that? Himself. No body stops him from monitoring domestic performances. Why is he not aware about the best spinner in Pak i.e Kashif bhatti? Or players like Sadaf Hussain, Saud Shakeel, Khushdil shah, Khalid Usman, Irfan? Because he doesn't give a damn about List A performers. He himself said PSL performers would be rewarded and considered for the worldcup.

So, don't defend his ridiculous Coaching just because he's a foreigner and he must be right in whatever he's doing . He thinks he can make us fool by showing silly emotions in the dressing room that he cares about our cricket , fact is he's a most pathetic coach we have ever had along side Waqar and Lawson. Should have kicked him out after we lost 2-0 to Srilanka in UAE because he didn't select a spinner.

To be honest, the Pakistani Selection Committee hasn't done enough to clamp down its authority, Mickey Arthur has repeatedly persisted with his own favorites and adopted one rule for them and another rule for another as far as they are concerned. Plus his selections have not been in line with his modern aggressive cricket talk. He has failed as the KK coach in the PSL for 4 seasons as well where he has played the likes of Amir every season inspite of Amir being useless for KK.

 

[Farhan93]

To be honest, the Pakistani Selection Committee hasn't done enough to clamp down its authority, Mickey Arthur has repeatedly persisted with his own favorites and adopted one rule for them and another rule for another as far as they are concerned. Plus his selections have not been in line with his modern aggressive cricket talk. He has failed as the KK coach in the PSL for 4 seasons as well where he has played the likes of Amir every season inspite of Amir being useless for KK.

When it comes to selection I think there's a policy of give and take between micky and Inzi,esp since the selection of nephew. Inzi can't say no to Micky, even if he wants to drop Amir because of his 3rd class performances he's to pick him otherwise his nephew's spot could be in danger.

I seriously think that's what going on in our cricket for couple of years now. CT squad selection was a lot better (Amir, Malik etc were doing fine job back then) but after the CT triumph everyone's lost their heads and started taking decisions on personal whims.

 

[Farhan93]

Nobody can justify Amir's constant selection,Leaving Junaid out and few other brainless decisions. if anyone thinks micky has nothing to do with those decisions and blame Sarfraz or Inzi for that.he's just fooling himself .

KK is also suffering because of micky, sack him and appoint any local coach and you will see the difference but Salman Iqbal is as clueless as Ehsan Mani.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Mickey's results with KK for 4 seasons on the trot now can give you light that he isnt as great a coach as made out to be.

KK always have the best team but yet to finish in top 3 and as a National coach Mickey knows about domestic performing players better then the others but still failed to produce decent results.

 

[topspin]

Pakistan's spins stocks are certainly not low, we have Zafar Gohar who spins the ball prodigiously, we had Umar Khan, we have Bilal Asif who may not be world class but should have been persisted with. There is no excuse to be persisting with darters like Imad and a no turner like Yasir.

Other sides also do not have extra ordinary spinners either, but there bowlers bowl to a plan, they know when to attack and when to defend, are smart enough to assess bowling conditions where if there is nothing on offer, they restrict run scoring as much as possible and have confidence their batting line up can chase those runs down with ease.

Yes and who is to blame for the exclusions of Umer Khan and Zafar? Don't tell me you're going to blame Mickey for this as well? As for Bilal Asif, I share the same views as you and feel he's underrated on PP but the context of my post was in reference to ODIs. Moreover we cannot drop Imad because he has proven himself to be our premier lower order hitting batsman. His other responsibility is to serve the side as a defensive type of spinner in order to contain the opposition. He's not there to take wickets.

If you genuinely think Pakistan's spin stocks are "certainly not low", then you ought to know we're behind Aus, SA, NZ, India, Eng, Ban and Afg in the spin bowling department. As much as I want them to be tried and tested, from what I've seen of Zafar and Umer Khan, I doubt they will change this inferiority over these teams in this regard.

 

[Savak]

Yes and who is to blame for the exclusions of Umer Khan and Zafar? Don't tell me you're going to blame Mickey for this as well? As for Bilal Asif, I share the same views as you and feel he's underrated on PP but the context of my post was in reference to ODIs. Moreover we cannot drop Imad because he has proven himself to be our premier lower order hitting batsman. His other responsibility is to serve the side as a defensive type of spinner in order to contain the opposition. He's not there to take wickets.

If you genuinely think Pakistan's spin stocks are "certainly not low", then you ought to know we're behind Aus, SA, NZ, India, Eng, Ban and Afg in the spin bowling department. As much as I want them to be tried and tested, from what I've seen of Zafar and Umer Khan, I doubt they will change this inferiority over these teams in this regard.

Mickey has a say in selection, when Inzi selected spinners in the squad, Mickey Arthur made the decision not to select them, Mickey Arthur calls the shots, Inzi cooperates.

 

[Hawkeye]

Mickey has a say in selection, when Inzi selected spinners in the squad, Mickey Arthur made the decision not to select them, Mickey Arthur calls the shots, Inzi cooperates.

This is actually true.

Mickey has the most say in selection.

 

[topspin]

Criticism on Mickey Arthur is completely justified, even more criticism should be done. As, He's not under pressure at all.

He's a biggest culprit even bigger than inzi for our pathetic performances. Where is his fitness regime now? He kicked out Umar Akmal before CT because he wasn't fit according to him now he's accepting the likes of Yasir around ODI Squad? What happened?

He doesn't even have a clue who are our top performers in domestic in each of the formats, who's responsible for that? Himself. No body stops him from monitoring domestic performances. Why is he not aware about the best spinner in Pak i.e Kashif bhatti? Or players like Sadaf Hussain, Saud Shakeel, Khushdil shah, Khalid Usman, Irfan? Because he doesn't give a damn about List A performers. He himself said PSL performers would be rewarded and considered for the worldcup.

So, don't defend his ridiculous Coaching just because he's a foreigner and he must be right in whatever he's doing . He thinks he can make us fool by showing silly emotions in the dressing room that he cares about our cricket , fact is he's a most pathetic coach we have ever had along side Waqar and Lawson. Should have kicked him out after we lost 2-0 to Srilanka in UAE because he didn't select a spinner.

My reply was to [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

Firstly Umar Akmal is in better shape than what he was back then. Funny thing is back then it was Inzy who decided to play by his own rules and select him without meeting the minimum yo-yo fitness score of 16. The difference now is he's shown form in domestics and more recently in the PSL, so he deserved his recall. With the sheer abundance of accumulators and shoddy players of pace such as Shoaib Malik, I rather see Umar in the side because he bats selflessly for the side, also a superior batsman against pace and on his day he will make the difference between Pakistan reaching a below-par total and a match winning one.

PSL selections should take precedence over other domestic limited over tournaments because it is Pakistan's premier domestic white ball competition. Other tournaments are largely more substandard infested with too many teams carrying unfit oldies and other shoddy players. The pitches aren't always up to the mark in such events either! in summary, PSL is a bigger stage with more high profile players and with lesser teams you remove more of the junk found in the lower end of the talent pool.

You are wrong to assume I rate Mickey because he's a "foreigner". To be frankly honest you sound like Mohsin Khan when he called him an "incompetent ****". Pakistani coaches are actually the worst! Discarding Mickey from the Head Coach role will not solve our issues because we won't have high profile candidates lining up to replace him as it's not deemed to be an attractive role for coaches of such calibre, so inevitably the PCB will have to pick between the likes of Mohsin Khan, Dean Jones or God forbid Waqar Younis for a third stint! The former and latter would be horrid choices, which leaves PCB with Deano but since he has no international experience (other than a short stint as interm coach for Afghanistan), this would be an out and out gamble. The point is we're not blessed with options to replace him and it is even more unfair to scapegoat him when Sarfraz and Inzy are the biggest culprits for the side's failures.

 

[MMHS]

Mickey Arthur is the best thing that happened to PCT in last 10-12 years. What we are watching is after 3 years under a level 4 top coach - imagine PCT under Aquib, WY or Mohsin Khan in those 3 years!!!! I praised that time & I’ll stick to - to their credit PCB did a great job by managing to hook someone like him; otherwise their reputation doesn’t deserve better than foreign coach’s version of Dinesh Ramdhin. Mickey has his limitations and I won’t suggest him for any Asian side, dominated by spin in both skills, but within his scope he has improved individual skills lot. It was 15 years back another such guy joined and we saw the transformation of YK, MoYo, Inzi as batsman - something we have seen in Babar, Imam & Shan under Mickey ..... in between there are Umar Akmal, MoHa & Shehzads.

If there is any one to be sacked unceremoniously - it has to be Ul Haq. After that, Azhar Mahmood, Grant Flower, Sarfraz Ahmed, Basit Ali - in that order before showing Mickey the door. Fortune won’t change much though - there is a difference between Imran Khan & Faheem Ashraf or Wasim Akram & Mo Amir or Asif Iqbal & Asif Ali or Javed Miandad & Sarfraz Ahmed or Zaheer Abbas & Babar Azam......... or Mazid Khan & Mo Hafeez - the earlier PP understand that, trolling for other teams will reduce at accelerating rate by day.

 

[topspin]

Mickey has a say in selection, when Inzi selected spinners in the squad, Mickey Arthur made the decision not to select them, Mickey Arthur calls the shots, Inzi cooperates.

This is actually true.

Mickey has the most say in selection.

If that's what you guys believe then I suggest you two cast your minds back to the 2016 ODI series against England. Mickey had just begun the role and was given an ODI squad of Umer Gul, Wahab, Sami Aslam and an unfit Mohammad Irfan. This is just one of many examples.

Even during his captaincy days he was reluctant to try out new names and has always had preferences for seniors and "known names" shall we say, because he's always been far too lazy to do the much needed analysis, so his basis of selection will always revolve around who he knows rather than adhering to the principle of meritocracy.

 

[topspin]

Mickey Arthur is the best thing that happened to PCT in last 10-12 years. What we are watching is after 3 years under a level 4 top coach - imagine PCT under Aquib, WY or Mohsin Khan in those 3 years!!!! I praised that time & IÂ’ll stick to - to their credit PCB did a great job by managing to hook someone like him; otherwise their reputation doesnÂ’t deserve better than foreign coachÂ’s version of Dinesh Ramdhin. Mickey has his limitations and I wonÂ’t suggest him for any Asian side, dominated by spin in both skills, but within his scope he has improved individual skills lot. It was 15 years back another such guy joined and we saw the transformation of YK, MoYo, Inzi as batsman - something we have seen in Babar, Imam & Shan under Mickey ..... in between there are Umar Akmal, MoHa & Shehzads.

If there is any one to be sacked unceremoniously - it has to be Ul Haq. After that, Azhar Mahmood, Grant Flower, Sarfraz Ahmed, Basit Ali - in that order before showing Mickey the door. Fortune wonÂ’t change much though - there is a difference between Imran Khan & Faheem Ashraf or Wasim Akram & Mo Amir or Asif Iqbal & Asif Ali or Javed Miandad & Sarfraz Ahmed or Zaheer Abbas & Babar Azam......... or Mazid Khan & Mo Hafeez - the earlier PP understand that, trolling for other teams will reduce at accelerating rate by day.

Spot on, I'm glad you can also see the biggest failure in the set-up is none other than Inzy.

Indeed Mickey deserves a lot of credit for the developments we've seen in the likes of Babar, Imam, Shan Masood, Shaheen and etc. The CT was a one-off but you need to be at a certain level to stand a chance of winning such a tournament and he deserves a lot more credit than what's given on PP. With Misbah and Waqar duo, we saw what happened in the previous edition where they lost every game in the same host nation.

You know what it is, it's easier to scapegoat a foreigner than our own. I guess Mohsin Khan's rhetoric in recent years has subconsciously had an impact on the minds of certain fans. I guess we deserve the privilege of Waqar Younis with a third stint, so he can have the honour of taking us outside the top 8 of the rankings once again!

 

[ads101]

He's just a bad coach. At least for us anyway. No clue in asian conditions. Picks the wrong team half the time. Players decline instead of improving under him.

Most of his limited success is down to new players coming in instantly performing. That is not coaching they haven't had time to be coached, that's just talent. Pakistan has had a lot of talented players coming into the team/squad in the last few years (compared to before), and yet he's still struggled to get the best out of them. And when technical deficiencies are found/player is figured out, they aren't fixed, the player just declines further.

I think Inzi has more say in the squad though. Mickey has no clue of domestic cricket or even past Pakistan cricket, otherwise he wouldn't have been shocked when he discovered Irfan struggles to bowl 10 overs, or umar was unfit. Mickey just doesn't use the squad well. Kept Fakhar on the bench for Shehzad until he did so badly he had to give Fakhar a go. Kept Haris mostly on the bench. Played Fahim constantly. Chose to not play 2 spinners in Asian conditions. Didn't play Masood in SA ODIs. Inzi's squads have never been terrible, and a lot of new talent has been injected into the side due to Inzi's squads.

 

[Savak]

Mickey Arthur is the best thing that happened to PCT in last 10-12 years. What we are watching is after 3 years under a level 4 top coach - imagine PCT under Aquib, WY or Mohsin Khan in those 3 years!!!! I praised that time & IÂ’ll stick to - to their credit PCB did a great job by managing to hook someone like him; otherwise their reputation doesnÂ’t deserve better than foreign coachÂ’s version of Dinesh Ramdhin. Mickey has his limitations and I wonÂ’t suggest him for any Asian side, dominated by spin in both skills, but within his scope he has improved individual skills lot. It was 15 years back another such guy joined and we saw the transformation of YK, MoYo, Inzi as batsman - something we have seen in Babar, Imam & Shan under Mickey ..... in between there are Umar Akmal, MoHa & Shehzads.

If there is any one to be sacked unceremoniously - it has to be Ul Haq. After that, Azhar Mahmood, Grant Flower, Sarfraz Ahmed, Basit Ali - in that order before showing Mickey the door. Fortune wonÂ’t change much though - there is a difference between Imran Khan & Faheem Ashraf or Wasim Akram & Mo Amir or Asif Iqbal & Asif Ali or Javed Miandad & Sarfraz Ahmed or Zaheer Abbas & Babar Azam......... or Mazid Khan & Mo Hafeez - the earlier PP understand that, trolling for other teams will reduce at accelerating rate by day.

Not at all, the evidence is in the pudding, Inzi gave Mickey Arthur Mohd Asghar and Bilal Asif against Sri Lanka in 2017 in UAE, Mickey Arthur made the decision not to play them. Inzi gave the likes of Abid Ali and Saad Ali against NZ in the UAE in 2018, Mickey Arthur made the decision not to play them. Inzi flew down to the UAE specifically to force Mickey Arthur to play Junaid Khan in the game against Bangladesh, Junaid got 4 wickets

Under Inzi we have introduced and given chances to many youngsters in the team. Mickey Arthur has failed to do anything of note with the Karachi Kings where there is no Inzamam ul Haq to force his team selections but he still persists with his same set of favorite players who have zero performances to show for themselves.

Mickey Arthur is all talk and nothing else, he has nothing to show for himself otherwise.

 

[Savak]

He's just a bad coach. At least for us anyway. No clue in asian conditions. Picks the wrong team half the time. Players decline instead of improving under him.

Most of his limited success is down to new players coming in instantly performing. That is not coaching they haven't had time to be coached, that's just talent. Pakistan has had a lot of talented players coming into the team/squad in the last few years (compared to before), and yet he's still struggled to get the best out of them. And when technical deficiencies are found/player is figured out, they aren't fixed, the player just declines further.

I think Inzi has more say in the squad though. Mickey has no clue of domestic cricket or even past Pakistan cricket, otherwise he wouldn't have been shocked when he discovered Irfan struggles to bowl 10 overs, or umar was unfit. Mickey just doesn't use the squad well. Kept Fakhar on the bench for Shehzad until he did so badly he had to give Fakhar a go. Kept Haris mostly on the bench. Played Fahim constantly. Chose to not play 2 spinners in Asian conditions. Didn't play Masood in SA ODIs. Inzi's squads have never been terrible, and a lot of new talent has been injected into the side due to Inzi's squads.

And when these players decline, Mickey throws them under the bus. I don't think Mickey Arthur is making any difference to Pakistan Cricket anymore to be honest.

 

[CricFan2012]

I remember when he first came to the Pakistan team he talked about implementing world class standards, adopting a modern ruthless fitness culture, adopting a ruthless high performance environment in the Pakistan team.

But his persistent selection with mediocrity, playing non effective bowlers, playing accumulators in the line up, again not selecting spinners who can actually spin the ball in UAE conditions.

I just get the feeling that he is fed up with the environment in Pakistan Cricket and has given up on being able to make a difference.

Or maybe he is just clueless and just talks good in press conferences and interviews but has nothing to show as far as walking is concerned.

It's hard to determine who's at fault when Inzimam, the chief selector, selects test bowlers for this series and neglects a decent off spinner as well.

We don't know for sure unless we have some inside information.

For all the flaws Inzi has as an administrator, he is much better than the chief selectors we have had in the past, but that still does not mean we have to stick with someone as mediocre as him, there has to be someone with more cricketing sense who religiously follows our domestic cricket and knows the ins and out of the system, and on top of it all is unfazed by politics.

The day Fawad Alam is selected for our test squad, granted he performs consistently as his historic performances suggest, then we will have a decent selector on our hands.

As for Mickey, he is a top level coach and has been the coach of a team like Australia which says a lot, if not him then who else will fix Pakistan's problems? There is no hidden messiah, most of the time coaches will do their jobs, but to go above and beyond they need equal and competent support from their cricketing board.

Fact is that every single coach we choose will be under the thumb of politics and some nepotism. You need everyone in the top management of the PCB, selectors, directors, and coaches to be on the same path, then slowly we will reap the rewards.

 

[CricFan2012]

Not at all, the evidence is in the pudding, Inzi gave Mickey Arthur Mohd Asghar and Bilal Asif against Sri Lanka in 2017 in UAE, Mickey Arthur made the decision not to play them. Inzi gave the likes of Abid Ali and Saad Ali against NZ in the UAE in 2018, Mickey Arthur made the decision not to play them. Inzi flew down to the UAE specifically to force Mickey Arthur to play Junaid Khan in the game against Bangladesh, Junaid got 4 wickets

Under Inzi we have introduced and given chances to many youngsters in the team. Mickey Arthur has failed to do anything of note with the Karachi Kings where there is no Inzamam ul Haq to force his team selections but he still persists with his same set of favorite players who have zero performances to show for themselves.

Mickey Arthur is all talk and nothing else, he has nothing to show for himself otherwise.

My friend, then why are bowlers like Yasir Shah and Mohammad Abbas in our ODI squad with no decent off spinner in the UAE?

 

[Stewie]

This ODI series is just completely unlike how Pakistan does things. Usually we have a win at all cost attitude and always field our best player no matter how inconsequential the series.

Here we are a few months from World Cup and we are conducting weird mind boggling experiments with the team composition that do not make whatever sense. We are playing Yasser Shah in the ODI team. When we have people like Shadab, Imad, Hafeez, etc who we know will be in the World Cup squad.

This is just a bad timing for testing new things. You need to have your World Cup guys down to 18 and use them only.

We need to give Babar maximum practice and he is not here. And Amir ain’t getting any better, he should have been rested, instead try Junaid and see how he does.. I have a feeling he will be a better pick than Amir in the World Cup.

 

[giri26]

Well with just 2-3 months left for the World cup, every team is trying to figure out their best XI and are trying to give their players enough practice. Pakistan is gone the other way here. They have rested their key players and are playing with a few, who may not even make it to their squad. They are also on the verge of losing another ODI series to Australia. Can't understand the logic. Teams don't have enough time/games to figures out their combinations and Pakistan is not even trying that in this series.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Experts here thought Mohammad Abbas would be a good addition to the ODI team. We were told he would be particularly useful in England. Should be taken to the World Cup.

Kidher reh gayi aap sab ki expert analysis ab?

 

[ads101]

And when these players decline, Mickey throws them under the bus. I don't think Mickey Arthur is making any difference to Pakistan Cricket anymore to be honest.

Yeah forgot that, likes shifting blame elsewhere and is poor with his comments about his own players in the media. How are you going to inspire confidence in the team when you're ready to hang your players out to dry in the media even though they're trying their best.

I don't think he's ever made a big difference. Tests it was all Misbah, once Misbah went Mickey has no clue (e.g. doing stuff like not playing 2 spinners) having to take the charge given Sarfraz isn't an experienced test/first class captain. Hence our poorer results, especially in the UAE and asia where at least Misbah knew how to use his spinners and grind out wins there.

In ODIs, with Azhar Mickey again couldn't do anything having to take charge for the experienced captain. Sarfraz came in with his own style of limited overs captaincy and got early results (which is also why Quetta do well in PSL and Mickey does bad with KK). Our results in T20 stay good as Sarfraz knows how to captain in T20 as shown in the PSL, it's the longer formats he struggles and seems to put more faith in Mickey.

Whenever Mickey has to actually do something and take charge he fails. He's just been reliant on Misbah and even Sarfraz to an extent.

Mickey fails in the no.1 priority which is winning in Asia and UAE which accounts for around 70% of our games. If we don't get a new head coach entirely, we need at least someone who knows how to play in asia. An asian coach who could perhaps teach the guys how to bat in asia, while Mickey can focus on how to bat outside of asia might help even. Even better someone who actually has knowledge of Pakistani domestic/past Pak international history who can advise Mickey on selection matters too would be a bonus.

 

[Stewie]

Experts here thought Mohammad Abbas would be a good addition to the ODI team. We were told he would be particularly useful in England. Should be taken to the World Cup.

Kidher reh gayi aap sab ki expert analysis ab?

I dont think his performance in one ODI I. The UAE can be used a a gauage to predict his usefulness in the seaming and swinging class conditions In England.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I dont think his performance in one ODI I. The UAE can be used a a gauage to predict his usefulness in the seaming and swinging class conditions In England.

What's to say Amir or Hasnain won't bowl well in the 'seaming and swinging class conditions in England'?

Abbas has been exposed here due to his lack of pace. 30% of his deliveries have been below 80 mph

 

[Stewie]

What's to say Amir or Hasnain won't bowl well in the 'seaming and swinging class conditions in England'?

Abbas has been exposed here due to his lack of pace. 30% of his deliveries have been below 80 mph

My statement was in response to an utter unfair dismissal of abbas’s Abilities or usefulness during the World Cup based on one performance in UAE and not some sort of damning indictment of Amir and Hasnain as bowlers.

If you inferred the latter from my statement, you are way off target.

 

[Shafi]

Micky is the 2nd problem after Inzi who keep selecting rubbish players for quite sometimes. He selected rubbish players for Pakistan Cup as well.

 

[Gullycricket]

People here talking as if we have legends waiting in the background.Mickey cant do jack if you have brainless hacks and selfish players playing andchanging the coach wont help.He invested in Faheem who turned ****.He has some strategy but u need players to implement that which we simply dont have.

 

[MMHS]

Experts here thought Mohammad Abbas would be a good addition to the ODI team. We were told he would be particularly useful in England. Should be taken to the World Cup.

Kidher reh gayi aap sab ki expert analysis ab?

Not sure about expertise, but I was the one always backed Abbas for this WC only - AND I WILL stick to that.

One reason being lack of options, more or less there is a brigade of 130K ish pacers, and most of them are left-armers with very little skill, intelligence and heart. They are good at slanting the ball across right handers which looks "threatening" in tv, but effectively PAK new ball attack is statistically well, well below minnows like Bangladesh ..... and if you take out that all important ZIM tour, where Faheem Ashraf has 9 wickets at 2.56 economy & 7.5 average, this stats might go below minnow level.

This guy Abbas knows how to use new ball, has the bowling intelligence of setting up batsmen and he can bowl in channel - at least won't chase batsman 2 metres wide & one metre high. Abbas might go for 6 boundaries in an over, but be sure that all 6 will need to penetrate fielding cordon - he won't bowl short when Captain has pushed long on/off out and brought 3rd man, fine leg in circle; he won't bowl a leg side wide with 6-3 field, he won't bowl wide half volley when cover, mid off & extra cover are posted to stop singles - that's bowling intelligence, lack of which sometimes can cost you 29 runs in an over, even at 140K pace.

Even on 350 per English tracks, ball will swing/seem for first few overs in June, and a bowler intelligent enough to make batsmen play at new ball will trouble modern top order batsmen in PP - for a sanity check, you can take a look at the stats of tundler Mashrafee's opening spell at 120Km, bowled on one knee .... not to mention Indian opening bowlers whom I can't recall when last time went wicket less in PP, may be 2017 CT Final.....

Second reason is unreal expectation - PAK fans have to measure their expectation according to the level of their players outside PSL. PAK top order can't do what Aussie top 3 did in last 2 games; that doesn't mean Abbas is rubbish .... you have to give a chance to other possibility as well - may be Abbas was bowling to proper batsmen on an absolute belter with short boundaries, whereas Aussie opening pacers were bowling to a pair who would struggle to make minnow Bangladesh's bench - statistical comparison isn't fair here. Even on absolute 180 adverse condition for his type of bowling, Abbas was by far the best PAK pacer in 1st game (actually best pacer in the game combined sides) and it's a bit rich to question "expertise" for suggesting a bowler going for 10-0-44-1 figures on debut, for a fan whose team conceded 282 for 2 in 49 overs in that very innings.

Afridi gives an unique dimension - height, in a bowling unit, embarrassingly challenged vertically; Hasan gives another dimension - middle over bowling, he was almost like pace version of Warne or Murali in CT; Hasnain or Wahab gives another dimension - pace .... Faheem gives another dimension as well - phast bowling all-rounder, who bowls at 130K and bats at 6 like No. 10. Apart from that, these Amir, JK, Shinwari, Hamza, Rahat..... are more or less same, and Amir is one eyed prince among blinds - that makes Abbas indeed a good prospect for the squad of a WC in UK, in June - hardly matters what he does in UAE in late March under lights.

 

[MMHS]

Not at all, the evidence is in the pudding, Inzi gave Mickey Arthur Mohd Asghar and Bilal Asif against Sri Lanka in 2017 in UAE, Mickey Arthur made the decision not to play them. Inzi gave the likes of Abid Ali and Saad Ali against NZ in the UAE in 2018, Mickey Arthur made the decision not to play them. Inzi flew down to the UAE specifically to force Mickey Arthur to play Junaid Khan in the game against Bangladesh, Junaid got 4 wickets

Under Inzi we have introduced and given chances to many youngsters in the team. Mickey Arthur has failed to do anything of note with the Karachi Kings where there is no Inzamam ul Haq to force his team selections but he still persists with his same set of favorite players who have zero performances to show for themselves.

Mickey Arthur is all talk and nothing else, he has nothing to show for himself otherwise.

The clue is given in last few lines of my 2nd para - read between the lines.

I was fortunate to be selected for a short course on Corporate Strategy & Synergy, that results into increased output (in short, how you can improve your efficiency and do 5 men's job with 3 men and 50 hours week into 38 hours, so that over time isn't charged) at IMA, Ahmedabad and the trainer was one of the best in world. He started with a punch - "...... training & workshops can only be effective if there is a certain standard (of competence) and there is a base (of skills) to build on. An iron smith can make a sword out of a piece of rot iron as there is some metal left in it, but even the best man can't make a pencil cutter out of a piece of wood, be it sandal. GUYS, you are the chosen very few - so, you definitely have the quality, capability and base to take it from me - LET's MAKE OUR TIME & YOUR COMPANY's INVESTMENT COUNT in next 2 weeks".

Mickey Arthur has improved several players individually, no question about that. But yes, I do agree that he has little clue regarding the combination & skill set required for Asian conditions. But, for that he shouldn't be blamed alone - he has a Captain and other coaching staffs as well. I think to succeed, Arthur needed a strong Captain like Smith to command the charge on field (& in XI selection), while he could work on the skill level. I that regard, he is a better coach than Manager (Head Coach).

Bringing KK as example isn't fair - Franchise T20 results can't/shouldn't be attributed to Coach only, particularly in draft system as there are too many other factors involved; a coach like Paddy Upton had identical PSL dossier like Aquib Javed .... Also, if T20 is the bench mark, then Micky is probably the Alex Ferguson of Cricket - he has like 30-5 W/L ration with PAK team in T20I.......

One major criticism I had against MA is his stubbornness - guy had a tested formula which worked for SAF (& AUS as well), but the guy is too proud to change that, to stubborn to compromise and to egoistic to learn from his mistakes. He took PCB's job to fix PCT by forcing it into his frame, rather than adjusting his frame to fit PCT - result is, he has better individuals than the some of it. That's, many PAK players individually are better than the team they represent.

Regarding favoritism, I think among the loved triangle of Inzamam, Sarfraz & Mickey - Arthur should be the last man to be accused.

I understand that a scapegoat is required and Mickey is the softest target - might not last after WC, or other way first to leave the circus, but as a Coach, he definitely deserves respect.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Not sure about expertise, but I was the one always backed Abbas for this WC only - AND I WILL stick to that.

One reason being lack of options, more or less there is a brigade of 130K ish pacers, and most of them are left-armers with very little skill, intelligence and heart. They are good at slanting the ball across right handers which looks "threatening" in tv, but effectively PAK new ball attack is statistically well, well below minnows like Bangladesh ..... and if you take out that all important ZIM tour, where Faheem Ashraf has 9 wickets at 2.56 economy & 7.5 average, this stats might go below minnow level.

This guy Abbas knows how to use new ball, has the bowling intelligence of setting up batsmen and he can bowl in channel - at least won't chase batsman 2 metres wide & one metre high. Abbas might go for 6 boundaries in an over, but be sure that all 6 will need to penetrate fielding cordon - he won't bowl short when Captain has pushed long on/off out and brought 3rd man, fine leg in circle; he won't bowl a leg side wide with 6-3 field, he won't bowl wide half volley when cover, mid off & extra cover are posted to stop singles - that's bowling intelligence, lack of which sometimes can cost you 29 runs in an over, even at 140K pace.

Even on 350 per English tracks, ball will swing/seem for first few overs in June, and a bowler intelligent enough to make batsmen play at new ball will trouble modern top order batsmen in PP - for a sanity check, you can take a look at the stats of tundler Mashrafee's opening spell at 120Km, bowled on one knee .... not to mention Indian opening bowlers whom I can't recall when last time went wicket less in PP, may be 2017 CT Final.....

Second reason is unreal expectation - PAK fans have to measure their expectation according to the level of their players outside PSL. PAK top order can't do what Aussie top 3 did in last 2 games; that doesn't mean Abbas is rubbish .... you have to give a chance to other possibility as well - may be Abbas was bowling to proper batsmen on an absolute belter with short boundaries, whereas Aussie opening pacers were bowling to a pair who would struggle to make minnow Bangladesh's bench - statistical comparison isn't fair here. Even on absolute 180 adverse condition for his type of bowling, Abbas was by far the best PAK pacer in 1st game (actually best pacer in the game combined sides) and it's a bit rich to question "expertise" for suggesting a bowler going for 10-0-44-1 figures on debut, for a fan whose team conceded 282 for 2 in 49 overs in that very innings.

Afridi gives an unique dimension - height, in a bowling unit, embarrassingly challenged vertically; Hasan gives another dimension - middle over bowling, he was almost like pace version of Warne or Murali in CT; Hasnain or Wahab gives another dimension - pace .... Faheem gives another dimension as well - phast bowling all-rounder, who bowls at 130K and bats at 6 like No. 10. Apart from that, these Amir, JK, Shinwari, Hamza, Rahat..... are more or less same, and Amir is one eyed prince among blinds - that makes Abbas indeed a good prospect for the squad of a WC in UK, in June - hardly matters what he does in UAE in late March under lights.

No need for such a long post filled with inaccurate information.

Abbas will never be good enough in ODI cricker due to the lack of pace. Look at how Khawaja kept playing him from outside the crease, and made him change his lines consistently. Exactly what happened to Asif, when Pietersen in particular took a liking to him a couple of times in LOI cricket and started to use the crease to good effect. With limited lateral movement, such bowlers are ruthlessly exposed as batsmen nowadays can murder good length bowling without variation.

Aussie opening pacers were bowling to batsmen who would struggle to make Bangladesh's bench?

The likes of Shaheen are inferior bowlers to Bangladesh's new ball 'bowlers'?

I would leave it to PPers to judge this post lol.

 

[MMHS]

No need for such a long post filled with inaccurate information.

Abbas will never be good enough in ODI cricker due to the lack of pace. Look at how Khawaja kept playing him from outside the crease, and made him change his lines consistently. Exactly what happened to Asif, when Pietersen in particular took a liking to him a couple of times in LOI cricket and started to use the crease to good effect. With limited lateral movement, such bowlers are ruthlessly exposed as batsmen nowadays can murder good length bowling without variation.

Aussie opening pacers were bowling to batsmen who would struggle to make Bangladesh's bench?

The likes of Shaheen are inferior bowlers to Bangladesh's new ball 'bowlers'?

I would leave it to PPers to judge this post lol.

The bold line reminds me of a certain bold prediction that there is God above and Sarfraz on Earth - nothing else .... ironically on the day someone scored a 115, who happens to keep wicket as well.

There is a little difference between
"effectively PAK new ball attack is statistically well, well below minnows like Bangladesh ..... and if you take out that all important ZIM tour, where Faheem Ashraf has 9 wickets at 2.56 economy & 7.5 average, this stats might go below minnow level." and the underlined part. May be, you can try it with "statistics", instead of "talunt".

The italic bold part is my personal comment - you can ignore that. It's indeed abusive for my part to talk anything about a batting line up that has 3 batsmen averaging over 50 in top 3.

 

[Usman Chadda]

The bold line reminds me of a certain bold prediction that there is God above and Sarfraz on Earth - nothing else .... ironically on the day someone scored a 115, who happens to keep wicket as well.

There is a little difference between
"effectively PAK new ball attack is statistically well, well below minnows like Bangladesh ..... and if you take out that all important ZIM tour, where Faheem Ashraf has 9 wickets at 2.56 economy & 7.5 average, this stats might go below minnow level." and the underlined part. May be, you can try it with "statistics", instead of "talunt".

The italic bold part is my personal comment - you can ignore that. It's indeed abusive for my part to talk anything about a batting line up that has 3 batsmen averaging over 50 in top 3.

Yes, because besides this hundred, Rizwan has shown us clearly how much better he is from Sarfraz Ahmed. It was a good innings no doubt, but this is an exception rather than the norm. It's amazing how expectations from Rizwan shift so drastically in a couple of months.

Please check Afridi's stats against New Zealand in UAE 2018 and South Africa in South Africa 2019. Do let me know which Bangladeshi pie-chucker is good enough to have these stats. Both Shinwari and Junaid also have decent new ball stats. Infact, the new ball stats are inflated due to the one bowler you advocated as captain all this time on PP

Nothing abusive about what you said. But you have a habit of making wild statements as 'personal opinions' then denying you ever made those wild comments when called out on it later. You will be called out on this one too - make no mistake.

 

[MMHS]

Yes, because besides this hundred, Rizwan has shown us clearly how much better he is from Sarfraz Ahmed. It was a good innings no doubt, but this is an exception rather than the norm. It's amazing how expectations from Rizwan shift so drastically in a couple of months.

Please check Afridi's stats against New Zealand in UAE 2018 and South Africa in South Africa 2019. Do let me know which Bangladeshi pie-chucker is good enough to have these stats. Both Shinwari and Junaid also have decent new ball stats. Infact, the new ball stats are inflated due to the one bowler you advocated as captain all this time on PP

Nothing abusive about what you said. But you have a habit of making wild statements as 'personal opinions' then denying you ever made those wild comments when called out on it later. You will be called out on this one too - make no mistake.

Again, I am not talking about individuals - collectively, PAK is the worst (9th) team in PP overs in last 2 years, a stats I am sure I had seen sometimes around Asia Cup. May be it has changed a little now after our NZ tour, and PAK's SAF tour .... but, the fact remains same - PAK's new ball attack is among least effective, massively underachiever, compared to the hype - some thing needs to be done there. If regular picks are not doing the job, Abbas gives another dimension. That's why they allow 15 players in squad. I don't see any reasons why both Amir & JK should be taken to WC.

Yes, I did advocated Amir as Captain for 2 years a least, but not in last 6-7 months for sure - there are reasons for both, which probably has been over explained by now.

Regarding "wild"comments .... yes, it's fun to be called back if so, won't mind. There are few threads ruining even right now regarding AUS tour & their WC prospects ......

 

[Slim]

Nobody can justify Amir's constant selection,Leaving Junaid out and few other brainless decisions. if anyone thinks micky has nothing to do with those decisions and blame Sarfraz or Inzi for that.he's just fooling himself .

KK is also suffering because of micky, sack him and appoint any local coach and you will see the difference but Salman Iqbal is as clueless as Ehsan Mani.

Not that i agree with the sacking part but keeping Junaid out is the biggest farce in itself.

 

[Sadozai]

Inzi and Mickey both complement each other with their pathetic decisions and icing on the cake is Sarfraz.

Sarfaraz might be good at on field tactics but either has no say in the selection or he is clueless regarding what kind of players he needs in his squad. Squad is full of useless accumulators, useless bowlers (both Phaast and sapeen) who don't have the ability to take wickets. Since last couple of years we are trying to make all-rounders out of Faheem & Shadab when it is evident that they lack the ability to play such role. In short PCT is totally messed up.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Again, I am not talking about individuals - collectively, PAK is the worst (9th) team in PP overs in last 2 years, a stats I am sure I had seen sometimes around Asia Cup. May be it has changed a little now after our NZ tour, and PAK's SAF tour .... but, the fact remains same - PAK's new ball attack is among least effective, massively underachiever, compared to the hype - some thing needs to be done there. If regular picks are not doing the job, Abbas gives another dimension. That's why they allow 15 players in squad. I don't see any reasons why both Amir & JK should be taken to WC.

Yes, I did advocated Amir as Captain for 2 years a least, but not in last 6-7 months for sure - there are reasons for both, which probably has been over explained by now.

Regarding "wild"comments .... yes, it's fun to be called back if so, won't mind. There are few threads ruining even right now regarding AUS tour & their WC prospects ......

The premise of that thread is not 'wild'. It has valid reasoning, and the hype around Australia is still not justified. However, comments you have made in the recent past are the kind where you will be called upon, rather brutally too if I might add.

If you are going down the stats route, it's only fair you provide them in context. The onus is on you, not me. Otherwise I'm wasting my time here. I've called you out on your 'opinion' that Shaheen is statistically a worse new ball bowler than your pie-chuckers. You would find Shinwari or Junaid being more than a match for them, let alone Shaheen.

 

[Greenstorm]

Again, I am not talking about individuals - collectively, PAK is the worst (9th) team in PP overs in last 2 years, a stats I am sure I had seen sometimes around Asia Cup. May be it has changed a little now after our NZ tour, and PAK's SAF tour .... but, the fact remains same - PAK's new ball attack is among least effective, massively underachiever, compared to the hype - some thing needs to be done there. If regular picks are not doing the job, Abbas gives another dimension. That's why they allow 15 players in squad. I don't see any reasons why both Amir & JK should be taken to WC.

Yes, I did advocated Amir as Captain for 2 years a least, but not in last 6-7 months for sure - there are reasons for both, which probably has been over explained by now.

Regarding "wild"comments .... yes, it's fun to be called back if so, won't mind. There are few threads ruining even right now regarding AUS tour & their WC prospects ......

Abbas is not the answer to our new ball woes, he is too slow and will get even more phainty on 350+ English tracks. Shaheen and Hassan are our best bet with the new ball.

 

[Farhan93]

Firstly Umar Akmal is in better shape than what he was back then. Funny thing is back then it was Inzy who decided to play by his own rules and select him without meeting the minimum yo-yo fitness score of 16. The difference now is he's shown form in domestics and more recently in the PSL, so he deserved his recall. With the sheer abundance of accumulators and shoddy players of pace such as Shoaib Malik, I rather see Umar in the side because he bats selflessly for the side, also a superior batsman against pace and on his day he will make the difference between Pakistan reaching a below-par total and a match winning one.

PSL selections should take precedence over other domestic limited over tournaments because it is Pakistan's premier domestic white ball competition. Other tournaments are largely more substandard infested with too many teams carrying unfit oldies and other shoddy players. The pitches aren't always up to the mark in such events either! in summary, PSL is a bigger stage with more high profile players and with lesser teams you remove more of the junk found in the lower end of the talent pool.

You are wrong to assume I rate Mickey because he's a "foreigner". To be frankly honest you sound like Mohsin Khan when he called him an "incompetent ****". Pakistani coaches are actually the worst! Discarding Mickey from the Head Coach role will not solve our issues because we won't have high profile candidates lining up to replace him as it's not deemed to be an attractive role for coaches of such calibre, so inevitably the PCB will have to pick between the likes of Mohsin Khan, Dean Jones or God forbid Waqar Younis for a third stint! The former and latter would be horrid choices, which leaves PCB with Deano but since he has no international experience (other than a short stint as interm coach for Afghanistan), this would be an out and out gamble. The point is we're not blessed with options to replace him and it is even more unfair to scapegoat him when Sarfraz and Inzy are the biggest culprits for the side's failures.

I wasn't talking about UA inclusion in this series, my point was how Micky contradicting himself now in relation to his fitness regime, he used to clamp down unfit players but now he's accepting Yasir and other few unfit players in the squad without any issue. Where is his professionalism now? Why is he compromising? Or kicking UA and Imad out before important events was just a smokescreen? He's getting exposed now, no planning, no method, no tactics he just relies on his ability to make people fool and making Pakistani cricket fans fool is an easiest thing to achieve. Australians kicked him out within a few months because they got to know about his incapability very early as they are serial winners and have sound sporting culture, nobody can make them fool, they are no PCB and Pakistan fans.

You actually think there's no difference between 50 over format and t20 format(PSL)? If yes then good luck because then you deserve the likes of M.Nawaz instead of spinners Kashif bhatti and Khalid usman because according to fans like you, who btw are in abundance here, Nawaz must be the best LO spinner in Pakistan as no other spinner can match his performances in PSL. While the reality is, he struggles to perform in domestic Oneday tournaments and gets outclassed by Kashif and Khalid but just because he performs in PSL he gets selected for events like Asia cup and keeps coming back . (you must be a fan of IPL and india, at least see and learn from them, they don't ignore List A performers)

If micky isn't monitoring FC and List A performers and not asking for Right players for the right formats then it's his fault not Sarfraz' or Inzi's as he's the one who calls the shot or he should just stop interfering in selection matters and leave that to Sarfraz and Inzi atleast better players will be picked.
Problem with fans like you is that you have a mentality that foreign coach can do no wrong. KK and Paks performances aren't opening your eyes, the biggest culprit is micky not Sarfraz or Inzi. There's a reason Sarfraz has won u19 WC, champions trophy, led PSL flawlessly in all seasons, won one title, came as a runner up in 2 and micky is failing again and again with KK and with Pakistan, got kicked out by Australians within few months , won nothing with SA.
Yes, even Mohsin Khan did a better job, at least he didn't make non performers like M.Amir etc his favourites. Sarfraz doesn't need a Waqar or any so called high profile coach he just needs someone who can give him a free hand and a better selector than inzi and he's gonna deliver for Pakistan. Micky is a worst thing happened to Pakistan cricket in the last 15 years along side Waqar and Ijaz butt

 

[Pakpak]

Yeah forgot that, likes shifting blame elsewhere and is poor with his comments about his own players in the media. How are you going to inspire confidence in the team when you're ready to hang your players out to dry in the media even though they're trying their best.

I don't think he's ever made a big difference. Tests it was all Misbah, once Misbah went Mickey has no clue (e.g. doing stuff like not playing 2 spinners) having to take the charge given Sarfraz isn't an experienced test/first class captain. Hence our poorer results, especially in the UAE and asia where at least Misbah knew how to use his spinners and grind out wins there.

In ODIs, with Azhar Mickey again couldn't do anything having to take charge for the experienced captain. Sarfraz came in with his own style of limited overs captaincy and got early results (which is also why Quetta do well in PSL and Mickey does bad with KK). Our results in T20 stay good as Sarfraz knows how to captain in T20 as shown in the PSL, it's the longer formats he struggles and seems to put more faith in Mickey.

Whenever Mickey has to actually do something and take charge he fails. He's just been reliant on Misbah and even Sarfraz to an extent.

Mickey fails in the no.1 priority which is winning in Asia and UAE which accounts for around 70% of our games. If we don't get a new head coach entirely, we need at least someone who knows how to play in asia. An asian coach who could perhaps teach the guys how to bat in asia, while Mickey can focus on how to bat outside of asia might help even. Even better someone who actually has knowledge of Pakistani domestic/past Pak international history who can advise Mickey on selection matters too would be a bonus.

I was his fan too but not anymore. POTW.

 

[Farhan93]

Mickey Arthur is the best thing that happened to PCT in last 10-12 years. What we are watching is after 3 years under a level 4 top coach - imagine PCT under Aquib, WY or Mohsin Khan in those 3 years!!!! I praised that time & I’ll stick to - to their credit PCB did a great job by managing to hook someone like him; otherwise their reputation doesn’t deserve better than foreign coach’s version of Dinesh Ramdhin. Mickey has his limitations and I won’t suggest him for any Asian side, dominated by spin in both skills, but within his scope he has improved individual skills lot. It was 15 years back another such guy joined and we saw the transformation of YK, MoYo, Inzi as batsman - something we have seen in Babar, Imam & Shan under Mickey ..... in between there are Umar Akmal, MoHa & Shehzads.

If there is any one to be sacked unceremoniously - it has to be Ul Haq. After that, Azhar Mahmood, Grant Flower, Sarfraz Ahmed, Basit Ali - in that order before showing Mickey the door. Fortune won’t change much though - there is a difference between Imran Khan & Faheem Ashraf or Wasim Akram & Mo Amir or Asif Iqbal & Asif Ali or Javed Miandad & Sarfraz Ahmed or Zaheer Abbas & Babar Azam......... or Mazid Khan & Mo Hafeez - the earlier PP understand that, trolling for other teams will reduce at accelerating rate by day.

Micky is a worst thing happened to Pakistan in the last 15 years, he makes non performers his favourites, doesn't have an idea of Pakistan domestic performers yet interfere in selection matters,has ego issues, blames his players, captains in PCs openly and shamelessly, contradicts himself every now and then to keep his job safe, doesn't have professionalism, worst at judging players ability (kept Fakhar out for Shehzad for months etc) , there's a reason why Australians showed him the door with in few months. He's not improved any player, he would have been sacked by now if he's a coach of any other team with such pathetic performances and with a pool of talent Pakistan still have got. You don't have a clue what you are saying

 

[Pakpak]

No need for such a long post filled with inaccurate information.

Abbas will never be good enough in ODI cricker due to the lack of pace. Look at how Khawaja kept playing him from outside the crease, and made him change his lines consistently. Exactly what happened to Asif, when Pietersen in particular took a liking to him a couple of times in LOI cricket and started to use the crease to good effect. With limited lateral movement, such bowlers are ruthlessly exposed as batsmen nowadays can murder good length bowling without variation.

Aussie opening pacers were bowling to batsmen who would struggle to make Bangladesh's bench?

The likes of Shaheen are inferior bowlers to Bangladesh's new ball 'bowlers'?

I would leave it to PPers to judge this post lol.

MMHS does post some quality stuff but he has to needlessly mention or compare and praise BD to Pakistan even though BD's team is a disaster right now in every single format.

 

[Farhan93]

No need for such a long post filled with inaccurate information.

Abbas will never be good enough in ODI cricker due to the lack of pace. Look at how Khawaja kept playing him from outside the crease, and made him change his lines consistently. Exactly what happened to Asif, when Pietersen in particular took a liking to him a couple of times in LOI cricket and started to use the crease to good effect. With limited lateral movement, such bowlers are ruthlessly exposed as batsmen nowadays can murder good length bowling without variation.

Aussie opening pacers were bowling to batsmen who would struggle to make Bangladesh's bench?

The likes of Shaheen are inferior bowlers to Bangladesh's new ball 'bowlers'?

I would leave it to PPers to judge this post lol.

Even Rumman, who's not even in 20-22 players being considered for the WC, is a better new ball bowler than Any BD bowler. Same goes for Sadaf Hussain. BD fans think they have a best pace and spin attack in the world and Tamim is a greatest opener Asia has ever produced

 

[Mamoon]

As I stated earlier, Mickey of 2019 is not the Mickey of 2017. He is no longer the hard taskmaster he was in his early days as Pakistan coach.

Overtime, he has realized that Pakistan cricket is hopeless and it is best to leave them to their devices. I believe the Asia Cup humiliation was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

He had his way got and rid of the likes of Hafeez, but we were mercilessly owned. His influence seems to have diminished and has been reduced to Inzamam’s puppet who appears to be calling the shots now.

Mickey was quite honest in his pressers and did not shy away from publicly condemning certain players, but lately, he has resorted to making rubbish, disingenuous statements and the same old “we are a proud team and we hate losing” nonsense after every series loss.

I just don’t think he genuinely cares anymore and is solely interested in keeping his job beyond the World Cup.

I would like to see him work with a new captain (who carries his own weight) and a Chief Selector with less influence and no favors to repay.

 

[topspin]

I wasn't talking about UA inclusion in this series, my point was how Micky contradicting himself now in relation to his fitness regime, he used to clamp down unfit players but now he's accepting Yasir and other few unfit players in the squad without any issue. Where is his professionalism now? Why is he compromising? Or kicking UA and Imad out before important events was just a smokescreen? He's getting exposed now, no planning, no method, no tactics he just relies on his ability to make people fool and making Pakistani cricket fans fool is an easiest thing to achieve. Australians kicked him out within a few months because they got to know about his incapability very early as they are serial winners and have sound sporting culture, nobody can make them fool, they are no PCB and Pakistan fans.

You actually think there's no difference between 50 over format and t20 format(PSL)? If yes then good luck because then you deserve the likes of M.Nawaz instead of spinners Kashif bhatti and Khalid usman because according to fans like you, who btw are in abundance here, Nawaz must be the best LO spinner in Pakistan as no other spinner can match his performances in PSL. While the reality is, he struggles to perform in domestic Oneday tournaments and gets outclassed by Kashif and Khalid but just because he performs in PSL he gets selected for events like Asia cup and keeps coming back . (you must be a fan of IPL and india, at least see and learn from them, they don't ignore List A performers)

If micky isn't monitoring FC and List A performers and not asking for Right players for the right formats then it's his fault not Sarfraz' or Inzi's as he's the one who calls the shot or he should just stop interfering in selection matters and leave that to Sarfraz and Inzi atleast better players will be picked.
Problem with fans like you is that you have a mentality that foreign coach can do no wrong. KK and Paks performances aren't opening your eyes, the biggest culprit is micky not Sarfraz or Inzi. There's a reason Sarfraz has won u19 WC, champions trophy, led PSL flawlessly in all seasons, won one title, came as a runner up in 2 and micky is failing again and again with KK and with Pakistan, got kicked out by Australians within few months , won nothing with SA.
Yes, even Mohsin Khan did a better job, at least he didn't make non performers like M.Amir etc his favourites. Sarfraz doesn't need a Waqar or any so called high profile coach he just needs someone who can give him a free hand and a better selector than inzi and he's gonna deliver for Pakistan. Micky is a worst thing happened to Pakistan cricket in the last 15 years along side Waqar and Ijaz butt

Mickey has had to be more flexible with his choices of late with the WC looming by after realising the "fitter" bunch of accumulators haven't improved. Also given we're lacking abundance of choice with batting concerned, he has no choice but to recall slightly less fitter players like Imad and Umar Akmal.

No the Aussies kicked him out because of "Homework Gate", which is an episode he regrets and acknowledges should have been handled a lot better since he led to the fall-out with some players in the side.

In response to your second passage of text, name me one player in India's XI who isn't a first-team IPL player? I'll save you a few clicks, the answer is zero because like PSL, their IPL is the premier limited overs domestic competition i.e. IPL performances take precedence over list A and any other white ball Indian domestic tournaments.

"Problem with fans like you is that you have a mentality that foreign coach can do no wrong"

More fake news from you - in post 3, I cited Mickey's weakness concerning how spinners need to be utilised. The reality is you're a new entry to the delusional green tinted hype brigade since you come across as Sarfraz's and Mohsin Khan's cheerleader.

"Micky is a worst thing happened to Pakistan cricket in the last 15 years along side Waqar and Ijaz butt"

Yeah I was right, you really do sound like Mohsin Khan

Name me some alternatives to Mickey Arthur because I would like to know who in your world is better fit for the role but I guess none other than chai sipping Mohsin Khan right?

 

[topspin]

As I stated earlier, Mickey of 2019 is not the Mickey of 2017. He is no longer the hard taskmaster he was in his early days as Pakistan coach.

Overtime, he has realized that Pakistan cricket is hopeless and it is best to leave them to their devices. I believe the Asia Cup humiliation was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

He had his way got and rid of the likes of Hafeez, but we were mercilessly owned. His influence seems to have diminished and has been reduced to Inzamam’s puppet who appears to be calling the shots now.

Mickey was quite honest in his pressers and did not shy away from publicly condemning certain players, but lately, he has resorted to making rubbish, disingenuous statements and the same old “we are a proud team and we hate losing” nonsense after every series loss.

I just don’t think he genuinely cares anymore and is solely interested in keeping his job beyond the World Cup.

I would like to see him work with a new captain (who carries his own weight) and a Chief Selector with less influence and no favors to repay.

Do you also think the appointment of Mohsin Khan (in the committee) would have affected Mickey's motivation for the role at all?

According to some rumours at the time, Mickey wanted an apology from Mohsin before he could hold any kind of "working relationship" shall we say.

 

[Farhan93]

Mickey has had to be more flexible with his choices of late with the WC looming by after realising the "fitter" bunch of accumulators haven't improved. Also given we're lacking abundance of choice with batting concerned, he has no choice but to recall slightly less fitter players like Imad and Umar Akmal.

No the Aussies kicked him out because of "Homework Gate", which is an episode he regrets and acknowledges should have been handled a lot better since he led to the fall-out with some players in the side.

In response to your second passage of text, name me one player in India's XI who isn't a first-team IPL player? I'll save you a few clicks, the answer is zero because like PSL, their IPL is the premier limited overs domestic competition i.e. IPL performances take precedence over list A and any other white ball Indian domestic tournaments.

"Problem with fans like you is that you have a mentality that foreign coach can do no wrong"

More fake news from you - in post 3, I cited Mickey's weakness concerning how spinners need to be utilised. The reality is you're a new entry to the delusional green tinted hype brigade since you come across as Sarfraz's and Mohsin Khan's cheerleader.

"Micky is a worst thing happened to Pakistan cricket in the last 15 years along side Waqar and Ijaz butt"

Yeah I was right, you really do sound like Mohsin Khan

Name me some alternatives to Mickey Arthur because I would like to know who in your world is better fit for the role but I guess none other than chai sipping Mohsin Khan right?

Lol @ Micky has had to be more flexible, Bhai ,my question is why ? He used to be so tenacious and uncompromising on fitness related issues because that, according to him, was pivotal to bring positive change in culture of Pakistan cricket and it would help us play modern cricket then why is he compromising now? And if you are saying thats because of so called realisation about lack of talent available then again it's his fault and hes wrong if he believes that. Because he's a main culprit who's constantly ignoring List A and FC performers not Sarfraz or anyone. No one stopped him from asking Inzi to give him Saud Shakeel,Khushdil Shah, Khurum Manzoor etc Saad Ali has been selected multiple times for different series he did'nt play him in any of the series, same is true for Usman Salahuddin for test squads. Who are you fooling?

You can say whatever you want about his Sacking from Aus,the main reason of his sacking was Aus didn't tolerate his nonsense n antics and showed him the door straight away because he's useless. Only fans like you can see something good in him, his record for Pakistan and KK has been atrocious, I detest Waqar the coach but this guy is proving to be even worse and you can't defend him no matter how hard you try. His weakness in handling spinners is just one small point you are nailing ,dismissing bigger issues in his personality and coaching.

You name me one Indian player who debuted for India in ODIs after getting picked directly from IPL. You are about to retract because you cannot name even one ,because there is no simply no one. Bumrah,Kuldeep,M.Pandey,Chahal,V.Shankar ,Jadhav, Siraj etc all have performed in List A cricket alongside IPL that's why they have been picked not because of their IPL exploits only. R.Pant is the only who had mediocre List A numbers before his ODI debut but he's FC numbers suggested that he plays FC in an ODI style with SR touching 90 and avg around 60 so selecting him for ODI was completely understandable . And what Micky and we do here? We selected Nawaz,Asif,Hussain Talat,Hasnain in ODIs based on their PSL performances,(Hasnain hasn't played even one LIST A game). and what happened after? Nawaz,Asif and Hussain talat all failed and had to be dropped because their List A numbers are ordinary at best and they did what they do at domestic oneday tournaments...India wouldn't have picked anyof them unless they improved their List A or FC numbers. India would have picked Saud Shakeel ahead of Hussain Talat, Kashif bhatti ahead of Nawaz , Khushdil Shah ahead of Asif Ali, Sadaf Hussain ahead of Hasnain. This is a successful approach not the one micky trying here and fooling us..

Instead of blindly defending Mickey and blaming others you must accept Micky is making a fool out of us and has failed massively because hes a pathetic coach. I blame Inzi too for selecting ridiculous squads but he's listening to mickey as well. Mickey's policy of making some favourites in the team is another thing which is damaging us , Mohsin Khan ,Aaqib etc may have thousands flaws and might be poor coaches but they would still be better choice than this idiot

 

[ask_analyse_act]

There was a reason Australia fired him and I dont think PCB considered any of those reasons.

There was also reason he brought SA no.1 test side in the world. Had greater success which earned him a call to coach AUS. What has happened with that homework issue was blown out of proportion because the players who are Aussies thought he is schooling them which is indeed MA being over the moon during his tenure there but I’m sure he has learned more from that

 

[The_Odd_One]

Mickey has been thoroughly exposed in his coaching stints with both PCT and KK. His results have been worse than Waqar's but somehow he never gets the blame. It is always Inzy's or Sarfraz's fault.

I do not buy into Mickey not having any say in the selection. Who has been selecting these pseudo spin all-rounders? Even, when he was given a specialist spinner, he did not utilize the opportunity. He has been a failure in all facets of coaching, whether it is tactic, player improvement, or team motivation.

He does not have a magic wand which will transform this mediocre team into world beater but then what is the point of hiring him when a local coach will produce similar if not better results. Mickey is all talk. I fully expect him to make his token statements like we have identified proper backups in Haris and Rizwan, once this series concludes.

 

[Farhan93]

There was also reason he brought SA no.1 test side in the world. Had greater success which earned him a call to coach AUS. What has happened with that homework issue was blown out of proportion because the players who are Aussies thought he is schooling them which is indeed MA being over the moon during his tenure there but I’m sure he has learned more from that

That SA team was outstanding , giving credit of that to mickey will be like giving credit of Pakistan becoming no 1 to Micky or Waqar . Sometimes you just have to appreciate the combination of the team which makes them No 1 or the quality of the players the team has which makes them champion team, different coaches could have coached them and the results would have been the same.
Aus got impressed by him After seeing SA's success but came to know about his true potential after seeing him closely and realised he's a trash. Pak and KK still haven't realised this lol ,colonial mindset still prevailing here ,he's non Pakistani and white so he must be right and his every decision must be correct.

 

[Mamoon]

Do you also think the appointment of Mohsin Khan (in the committee) would have affected Mickey's motivation for the role at all?

According to some rumours at the time, Mickey wanted an apology from Mohsin before he could hold any kind of "working relationship" shall we say.

Perhaps. He called Arthur a donkey and was rewarded with a job soon after, without issuing a formal apology. That episode clearly showed that foreign coaches will always be disrespected and disregarded by a our former cricketers who cannot digest the fact that they are the ones in the hot seat.

 

[Slog]

It seems so.

Just going through motions and collecting a pay check