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Is Mickey Arthur the ideal coach for Pakistan?

Is Mickey Arthur the ideal coach for Pakistan?

  • Yes, he is

    Votes: 74 73.3%
  • No, he isn't

    Votes: 27 26.7%

  • Total voters
    101
Some Pakistan fans are in denial as to how corrupt the system is & how Pak LOI cricket is seriously out of date- they blamed Misbah for selecting his 'buddies' & now they are blaming MA..always playing the blame game rather than accept the reality. They expect a quick fix when there is not. WC 2003- 1st round exit was a big hint at the direction we were headed (I wonder who they blamed for that).

Look at how these shameless cricketers repaid Bob Woolmer for all his efforts by playing woeful cricket at the 2007 WC. Thanks to Inzi who was also part of that debacle, the class of 2007 is back..laughable.

Wake up. Accept the reality Pak fans
 
And what credentials does Moody have apart from coaching in mickey mouse leagues??

Taking over a Sri Lanka side who were down in the pits in 2005 and coaching them to world cup 2007 final. Making them a solid test team at the time. Under his watch Jayawardene, Sangakarra, Malinga, Dilshan all developed into quality players
 
Some Pakistan fans are in denial as to how corrupt the system is & how Pak LOI cricket is seriously out of date- they blamed Misbah for selecting his 'buddies' & now they are blaming MA..always playing the blame game rather than accept the reality. They expect a quick fix when there is not. WC 2003- 1st round exit was a big hint at the direction we were headed (I wonder who they blamed for that).

Look at how these shameless cricketers repaid Bob Woolmer for all his efforts by playing woeful cricket at the 2007 WC. Thanks to Inzi who was also part of that debacle, the class of 2007 is back..laughable.

Wake up. Accept the reality Pak fans
The 2007 campaign had many extenuating circumstances

First the oval test fiasco knocked the wind out of our sails and we were never the same in terms of intensity

And in the 2007 WC we were missing the following players, all of whom formed the core of our side : Akhtar, Asif, Razzaq, Afridi
 
Pakistan's test record looks poor under Mickey due to aging Younis and Misbah, and declining Yasir. Heck, even Zulfiqar is not the same bowler. Overseas tours did not help either. NZ conditions were specifically tough for Pakistani batsman. Only a blind Waqar fan would think that Pakistan would have done better under Waqar.
 
Pakistan's test record looks poor under Mickey due to aging Younis and Misbah, and declining Yasir. Heck, even Zulfiqar is not the same bowler. Overseas tours did not help either. NZ conditions were specifically tough for Pakistani batsman. Only a blind Waqar fan would think that Pakistan would have done better under Waqar.

even in UAE we barely beat a third rate WI side

and the Aus we faced was pretty ordinary having lost 5 of its last 6 matches

and NZ have always been our whipping boys

but more than the losses it was the abject humiliation which hurts. I am certain we would have given a better account of ourselves even if results wouldnt have been very different
 
1. Mohammad Hafeez: I'm clear that Arthur wants him nowhere near the Test team, but knows that he has influential friends - Misbah - and is trying to give Hafeez the chance to play himself out of contention.

2. Rahat Ali: I think Arthur sees that he is the least bad option. Imran Khan is comically slow. Sohail Khan is an absolute joke after the First Innings. Hasan Ali is too short to have a safe defensive length to bowl.

Rahat is tall enough, quick enough and swings it enough. But like Yasir Shah, he has the brain of a flea, and whereas Waqar could coach him session by session - like Mushtaq Ahmed did with Yasir Shah - without his mentor to think for him he struggles.

3. The other squad players.
Kamran Akmal gets picked due to the lack of other power hitters.

Fakhar Zaman: I watched the QEA Final. He's clearly inferior to Imam and especially to Salman Butt, but at 32 Arthur rightly sees no point in bringing back Butt.

Faheem Ashraf: it was instantly obvious in the QEA Final that he is too short, too slow and has a terrible bowling action. Mickey will have seen him in the nets in Guyana and thought "why on earth do they send me a club quality cricketer like this?"

OK but Mickey called for Hafeez's inclusion in the Australia ODIs. Not talking about Tests here. And then he was also promoted to #3 where Babar was making hay.

Yes Fakhar doesn't seem like someone with a good technique, but he's been topping the charts in domestic cricket, so why was the Akmal/Shehzad combo given preference throughout the WI tour?

If Arthur doesn't rate Fahim, fair enough. But then he can ask Inzi for Yamin/Hammad, just like he asked him for Hafeez/Rahat, can't he?
 
Mickey Arthur is overcompensating. He fell out with the seniors in the Australian team, and with Graeme Smith when he was South Africa's coach. So now he's adopting a very respectful tone towards our seniors.

Dude, we appointed you BECAUSE you have a record of taking on the seniors and willingness to shake up a team ! That's what we need with our ODI side.

I get that he's not familiar with the domestic talent and it doesn't help that he's been on the road when most of our domestic tournaments are occurring - but these rumoured CT selections are wholly unispiring.

At the very minimum I hope he selects Hussain Talat and Haris Sohail.
 
Mickey hasnt been as bad as people suggest

He has made serious errors but lets be real, if some Pakistani was coach would

1. Hasan Ali have been persisted with after getting smashed?
2. Would Sharjeel have been persisted with after the england tour ?
3. Would Babar have been backed at 3 for all formats ?
4. Would they have wanted Sarfraz as captain like micky, or a guy they could easily control like Azhar

Now he has still annoyed me about him is his continuous love for Riaz and professor ( though for professor probably more due to his bowling) and his inability to work with Sohail Khan.

overall ill rate him 6/10, i feel in the long term he has made many right decision and has been dealt a hammer blow after working so hard with Sharjeel.
 
Best coach since Woolmer.

Succeeds where no other coach has in winning a Test series in the Carribean.
 
Mickey is THE MAN.

The challenge for brothers [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] is to praise the team performance but not praise the coaching staff.
 
As an individual Coach, Arthur is the highest possible pro that PCB could hire & I was quite impressed with PCB that they could hire Arthur, considering the security situations (& their famous image as an employer).

Is he an ideal coach for PAK? I am not sure actually - also 11 months is too little time to judge a Coach. I actually don't see much improvement in overall performance, because in UAE PAK was a force always while team couldn't have performed worse than this in ANZ, if even may be Basit Ali was Coach. The Lo resurgence is mostly for a much needed & much awaited change in leadership, but Arthur indded should be credited for the change in an almost decade long mindset. When Whatmore was appointed, I categorically wrote that he'll be a failure with PCB. Dav was a fantastic Coach, probably the best ever to work with developing teams. But, he was an unpolished dominating character, who would command everything that he needed. That's why, he had fantastic success with emerging teams/boards - SRL, BD, NCA Bangalore; while he was a failure with teams where he had to work under a frame work - Lancashire/KKR ..... obviously, he was destined to fail with PCB.

This guy Arthur is much more polished, and experienced both from right & wrong incidents. What I have seen is that, he delivers with a commanding Captain - Smith, to a certain extent Misbah; therefore in long term lots of his success will depend on how strong Sarfraz remains. Tactically, technically I don't think there are many better than him in his role therefore qualification isn't any issue - he is one of the best in the world, with every qualities needed to be successful in this role as PAK's head coach, provided that he has adequate support from his employer.

However, in 3 aspects, I think MA needs to rethink his way of doing things with PAK. First one is the approach to the game - he had great success with SAF team, which played very defensive, safety first game - that was a fantastic team, therefore their calculative game won them many matches, and almost erased unpredictability - they hardly will lose a match that they are expected to win. PAK can't play defensive, waiting game - may be apparently on dead slow UAE wickets (which I don't agree completely, but separate discussion), it can work a bit, but core of PAK cricket is expressive, free flowing game - more instinct, less calculation. In that regard, PAK is closer to AUS than SAF, & Micky had a clash with AUS team - he has to find a way to engage this PAK team, the way players are comfortable to deliver their best.

2nd issue is that, Arthur's philosophy is based on pace attack - which is perfect for PAK team as well. But, in terms of overall bowling combination, PAK is more versatile than SAF or even AUS, because of the quality of spinners. With PAK, he can't put every egg in one basket, rather he has to bring spinners in his equation. This is one improvement area for him - it doesn't sound too different between 4 pacers & a spinner or 3 pacers & 2 spinners on papers, but strategically is a massive difference - not to mention 3 spinners & 2 pacers. So far, I haven't seen Arthur to be a shrewd operator with spinners - he likes darters even for KK, which is a defensive way of using spinners.

3rd one is a combination of 1 & 2 - with SAF, Arthur played a far modern game where his core strategy was combination & synergy. His 11 players complemented each others & his team strength lied in sum of multiple skills of his players with bat, ball, fielding & fitness. Here in PAK, the game is still best at individual level.
To make it simple - I can categorically identify a Man of the Match in almost any PAK win, almost it's as visible as the scorching sun; but despite having some of the best individuals, often team performance over shaded individual contribution in SAF's wins. Arthur has to come forward in this regard - for that PAK players won't change ever. He has to find a way to give individuals to express themselves best & that individual capability should determine his combination - instead of other way.

A classic example I can give is the dilemma between PAK 2 ODI openers - one of them has to go. Ahmed is young, he can field much better, he can run better, he has a long future to invest; while Kamran is almost like a fading sun - on his last legs, unfit, bottom heavy & a pathetic fielder. SAF way of thinking is to pick Ahmed between those 2, because Ahmed can contribute in multiple factors; PAK way probably is KAkmal, because despite those drops, bottom heavy doubles turned into singles, KAkmal can blast. For SAF, Arthur could have found other avenues to compensate that lack of blasting power for Ahmed through his better overall game; but, for PAK, in 9 days Kakmal will be clown, one day prince charming & he'll win a match that day. Arthur has to manage this PAK team with their psyche, not other way.

He was the 1st non Aussie, convinced CA to hire him as head coach, therefore his technical qualifications are beyond doubt; but he couldn't keep that job, because he didn't understand his players, culture, environment & the chemistry between his players - same in PAK, but not necessarily that chemistry has to be identical, therefore he has to find the proper mix. If he can adjust & address these 3 areas, he is one of the very best for the job - should remain there till 2023 WC, with utmost authority.

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION], [MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION]

How does it read now - in less than 2 months later?
 
No surprise with a better captain and a better coach we are seeing proper tactics being employed. It is only our third final in any big ODI tournament, its a massive deal.
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] Allah ni Marzi bro :shehzad :ahmed
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] Allah ni Marzi bro :shehzad :ahmed

Good work on ODI team and that is a big achievement. And I give him credit

Cannot excuse the disaster he has wrought on the test unit
 
Will go down as one of Pakistans best coaches. Plenty of humble pie will be served.
 
Despite all of that Imad is still one of the first names on the team sheet for Inzi, Mickey and Sarfaraz. The three men who will turn around Pakistan cricket as per [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

:salute

So somewhere in the Pakistan thick tank they sat down and had a full on strategy discussion with white boards and markers and they came up with the brilliant plan of replacing Shehzad with Fakhar to resolve all our batting woes. Mashallah. The other change is a forced one, I'm pretty sure Mickey would have still played Wahab if he wasn't unavailable.

How do they expect a debutante to walk in and fix our batting which struggled to even reach 200 in the last match? The definition of insanity by Einstein comes to mind.

Yet we still have posters like [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] who think Mickey is the best thing to happen to Pakistan cricket since the 92 WC.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] - Well it turns out we've just had our best moment since 92 WC :))
 
The first coach to win a test series against the WI in WI

The first coach to win the CT

Mickey already has a solid resume compared to Waqar
 
I dont post often but I came in here to give my respects to Mickey. The guy is a phenomenon.
 
The first coach to win a test series against the WI in WI

The first coach to win the CT

Mickey already has a solid resume compared to Waqar

I agree, this is coming from a Wiki fan, I think Mickey has shown some tactical prowess that was missing in alot of our coaches from Dav Whatmore, to Moin Khan, to Waqar Younis
 
As an individual Coach, Arthur is the highest possible pro that PCB could hire & I was quite impressed with PCB that they could hire Arthur, considering the security situations (& their famous image as an employer).

Is he an ideal coach for PAK? I am not sure actually - also 11 months is too little time to judge a Coach. I actually don't see much improvement in overall performance, because in UAE PAK was a force always while team couldn't have performed worse than this in ANZ, if even may be Basit Ali was Coach. The Lo resurgence is mostly for a much needed & much awaited change in leadership, but Arthur indded should be credited for the change in an almost decade long mindset. When Whatmore was appointed, I categorically wrote that he'll be a failure with PCB. Dav was a fantastic Coach, probably the best ever to work with developing teams. But, he was an unpolished dominating character, who would command everything that he needed. That's why, he had fantastic success with emerging teams/boards - SRL, BD, NCA Bangalore; while he was a failure with teams where he had to work under a frame work - Lancashire/KKR ..... obviously, he was destined to fail with PCB.

This guy Arthur is much more polished, and experienced both from right & wrong incidents. What I have seen is that, he delivers with a commanding Captain - Smith, to a certain extent Misbah; therefore in long term lots of his success will depend on how strong Sarfraz remains. Tactically, technically I don't think there are many better than him in his role therefore qualification isn't any issue - he is one of the best in the world, with every qualities needed to be successful in this role as PAK's head coach, provided that he has adequate support from his employer.

However, in 3 aspects, I think MA needs to rethink his way of doing things with PAK. First one is the approach to the game - he had great success with SAF team, which played very defensive, safety first game - that was a fantastic team, therefore their calculative game won them many matches, and almost erased unpredictability - they hardly will lose a match that they are expected to win. PAK can't play defensive, waiting game - may be apparently on dead slow UAE wickets (which I don't agree completely, but separate discussion), it can work a bit, but core of PAK cricket is expressive, free flowing game - more instinct, less calculation. In that regard, PAK is closer to AUS than SAF, & Micky had a clash with AUS team - he has to find a way to engage this PAK team, the way players are comfortable to deliver their best.

2nd issue is that, Arthur's philosophy is based on pace attack - which is perfect for PAK team as well. But, in terms of overall bowling combination, PAK is more versatile than SAF or even AUS, because of the quality of spinners. With PAK, he can't put every egg in one basket, rather he has to bring spinners in his equation. This is one improvement area for him - it doesn't sound too different between 4 pacers & a spinner or 3 pacers & 2 spinners on papers, but strategically is a massive difference - not to mention 3 spinners & 2 pacers. So far, I haven't seen Arthur to be a shrewd operator with spinners - he likes darters even for KK, which is a defensive way of using spinners.

3rd one is a combination of 1 & 2 - with SAF, Arthur played a far modern game where his core strategy was combination & synergy. His 11 players complemented each others & his team strength lied in sum of multiple skills of his players with bat, ball, fielding & fitness. Here in PAK, the game is still best at individual level.
To make it simple - I can categorically identify a Man of the Match in almost any PAK win, almost it's as visible as the scorching sun; but despite having some of the best individuals, often team performance over shaded individual contribution in SAF's wins. Arthur has to come forward in this regard - for that PAK players won't change ever. He has to find a way to give individuals to express themselves best & that individual capability should determine his combination - instead of other way.

A classic example I can give is the dilemma between PAK 2 ODI openers - one of them has to go. Ahmed is young, he can field much better, he can run better, he has a long future to invest; while Kamran is almost like a fading sun - on his last legs, unfit, bottom heavy & a pathetic fielder. SAF way of thinking is to pick Ahmed between those 2, because Ahmed can contribute in multiple factors; PAK way probably is KAkmal, because despite those drops, bottom heavy doubles turned into singles, KAkmal can blast. For SAF, Arthur could have found other avenues to compensate that lack of blasting power for Ahmed through his better overall game; but, for PAK, in 9 days Kakmal will be clown, one day prince charming & he'll win a match that day. Arthur has to manage this PAK team with their psyche, not other way.

He was the 1st non Aussie, convinced CA to hire him as head coach, therefore his technical qualifications are beyond doubt; but he couldn't keep that job, because he didn't understand his players, culture, environment & the chemistry between his players - same in PAK, but not necessarily that chemistry has to be identical, therefore he has to find the proper mix. If he can adjust & address these 3 areas, he is one of the very best for the job - should remain there till 2023 WC, with utmost authority.

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION], [MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION]


Arthur has disappointed me in Test cricket. It has been 18 months almost.
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] What so you think brother :yk
 
The first coach to win a test series against the WI in WI

The first coach to win the CT

Mickey already has a solid resume compared to Waqar
The coach with the longest losing streak in Pakistan history
 
He needs to take responsibility for this disaster of a performance. Some absolutely baffling decisions made by the management has cost us this series.
 
Now wait till Mickey comes to the press conference and talks a big game and says all the right things, but does it all over again in the next series.


Absolute pathetic coach. Needs to be fired immediately. There is a reason why each of his previous employers dumped him unceremoniously.
 
He is a little bit stubborn with his strategies. He doesn't learn from his mistakes quickly. Now I think, if Wahab would not get injured in that India game, he would have played the whole tournament because he is a strike bowler in Mickey's view.
 
Mickey Arthur has brought the unpredictability tag back to Pakistan team, that was kind of missing under the more consistent regime of Pakistan under Waqar in Test Matches.. Surprise you would expect the vice versa under the two coaches.

Make what you want from this.

Same side defeats WI in the last over of a test match in WI

Same side bundles out to Debendra Bishoo for 80 in a pink ball test match in the UAE and almost falters defending 450 against them in final innings
 
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The sooner this useless guy is sacked, the better for Pakistan cricket.

Once he's sacked, Babar may not find it so easy to walk into the team without doing anything substantial in domestics.

:ma
 
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Turning out to be a superb ODI coach.

He has injected young blood into the team, massively improved our fitness and fielding standards whilst our bowling has gone from being one of the worst in the world post-2015 WC to being one of the best.

We've now won 11 out of our last 13 ODIs.
 
Please Sack Mickey!!

Reasons for sacking Mickey:
1) Why is Azhar Ali opening in Test Cricket? . Azhar Ali is best at number 3 with a proven record. Mickey sends him to open!! Even Tendulkar never opened in test cricket. I would have Azhar batting at 4. He is our best player.

2) The bowling hero of last tour to England is sat at home. Sohail Khan!! He kept pegging away taking crucial wickets last time around when England were threatening to take the game away. But Mickey thinks he cant ball long spells. Who cares the guy a wicket taker, besides you have Abbas and shadab in the team to ball long spells.

3) I like Faheem Ashraf, but selection for test cricket?? The guy has not even been consistently selected for ODIs. Let him play ODIs bat him higher up the order and see how he goes.

4) For showing no creativity and flexibility in team in NZ tour drubbing.

5) He has nothing to offer, they are selecting pakistan national team/squad based on PSL performances! How ridiculous.
 
Besides the Cricket and Time Pass sections, PP also needs a 'Knee Jerk' sub-forum.

All threads there should expire in 4 hours.
 
Reasons for sacking Mickey:
1) Why is Azhar Ali opening in Test Cricket? . Azhar Ali is best at number 3 with a proven record. Mickey sends him to open!!

Azhar's Ali's averages 44 at #3 while he averages 52 as an opener.

Yep, only an idiot would let him open.


Besides the Cricket and Time Pass sections, PP also needs a 'Knee Jerk' sub-forum.

All threads there should expire in 4 hours.

Can't do that because then the Cricket section would be completely empty.
 
Mickey has done a brilliant job in getting us much more up to date with the modern game in ODIs compared to where we were when he inherited the side. He has made absolutely no progress of a similar ilk in tests. Barring this incredibly refreshing innings from Imam, we just look to accumulate time, not runs. Overall? Mickey in for sure.
 
Azhar's failures are down to Mickey Arthur
 
Reasons for sacking Mickey:
1) Why is Azhar Ali opening in Test Cricket? . Azhar Ali is best at number 3 with a proven record. Mickey sends him to open!! Even Tendulkar never opened in test cricket. I would have Azhar batting at 4. He is our best player.

2) The bowling hero of last tour to England is sat at home. Sohail Khan!! He kept pegging away taking crucial wickets last time around when England were threatening to take the game away. But Mickey thinks he cant ball long spells. Who cares the guy a wicket taker, besides you have Abbas and shadab in the team to ball long spells.

3) I like Faheem Ashraf, but selection for test cricket?? The guy has not even been consistently selected for ODIs. Let him play ODIs bat him higher up the order and see how he goes.

4) For showing no creativity and flexibility in team in NZ tour drubbing.

5) He has nothing to offer, they are selecting pakistan national team/squad based on PSL performances! How ridiculous.

:facepalm:. All of your 5 points are wrong bro.
 
Not really. Is riding his champions trophy win, apart from that even in ODIs we haven't got great results.

Has been made to look better than he is with some extremely talented young players being made available in Shadab, Babar and Hasan. Who started from the get go. Plus Haris's return, and Fakhar added. We haven't had a side as strong as this for at least a decade. People don't realise this lol, all these players were just weren't around years ago.

His team selection is continuously poor make senseless decisions as no 2nd spinner vs Sri Lanka, not playing an extra bat, following on, playing Rahat over Hasan, starting with Shehzad over Fakhar in CT, not inducting Haris in CT.

Has no idea about Pakistan domestic nor past histories of pak players. Explains him wanting Irfan and Umar, and then to his surprise finding they weren't fit lol. Also similar reason he probably chose Rahat, he guessed if he was tried in tests before, probably had some merit, so went with his experience over Hasan.

Fails in the PSL every year despite having often the best team on merit to choose from. I don't think that's coincidence. Not to mention is absolutely awful in the media, disgusting how he can talk about Riaz like that. All he had to say currently Riaz isn't suitable for the team/out of form, that's all, not that.

In ODIs especially, he's just being bailed out by Sarfraz's tactical nous in the limited over formats. Sarfraz doesn't have any in tests hence they struggle. Azhar didn't have any in any formats, hence they struggled.

Dean Jones has consistent success with Islamabad in the PSL, and has identified talent well, picking a lot of good players and getting the best of them. People also forget it was he who really pushed for Sharjeel before Mickey picked him up too. I wouldn't mind Dean Jones taking over, what's more he's had a lot of enthusiasm about coaching Pakistan for a while now.

I don't mind Mickey being given a longer rope but he really needs to change. Stop making these schoolboy errors with team selection would be the first, I've never seen a Pak coach so poor at it when it's such an easy thing to get right. And start thinking for himself and evaluating options on merit, and make sure that you know the past histories/performances of players. Don't be surprised when you find out Irfan can't bowl 10 overs for example when he's historically struggled with that in the past.

The more talented players e.g. Babar, Shadab, Hasan, Haris are performing (at least in LOI) so Mickey's doing something right there even if I question the extent of his effect. But he needs to be proficient in all capacities of coaching, not just working with the players.
 
You just need to see how many times he has chopped and changed his batting position

Let me tell you what I have seen

since Mickey has been the coach, Azhar has played 5 games at 3, and 13 as an opener. Bar the England 2016 tour the only time Azhar hasn't changed positions mid-tour. Keep in mind this was Mickey's first test tour as coach.

since then the only time he was batting at 3 was for the 2 match series vs Sri Lanka. There is honestly no merit to your argument, especially as Azhar is a test veteran whose position was shifted by Misbah as well.


Seriously did Mickey run over your cat? You seem to hate him more than I hate Younis
 
Let me tell you what I have seen

since Mickey has been the coach, Azhar has played 5 games at 3, and 13 as an opener. Bar the England 2016 tour the only time Azhar hasn't changed positions mid-tour. Keep in mind this was Mickey's first test tour as coach.

since then the only time he was batting at 3 was for the 2 match series vs Sri Lanka. There is honestly no merit to your argument, especially as Azhar is a test veteran whose position was shifted by Misbah as well.


Seriously did Mickey run over your cat? You seem to hate him more than I hate Younis

I dislike him simply because of how he took a #1 ranked team to #7 in record time and even managed to lose our first series in UAE to a poor SL side. And that embarassment was all down to his bone headed logic of going with a single spinner in freakin UAE. My dislike has merit
 
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I dislike him simply because of how he took a #1 ranked team to #7 in record time and even managed to lose our first series in UAE to a poor SL side. And that embarassment was all down to his bone headed logic of going with a single spinner in freakin UAE. My dislike has merit

okay so that one series now dictates everything else and makes you say stuff which is completely false like "You just need to see how many times he has chopped and changed his batting position"
 
okay so that one series now dictates everything else and makes you say stuff which is completely false like "You just need to see how many times he has chopped and changed his batting position"

He has been promoted to open then dumped down the order and promoted to open again in 15 months or so. That is what changing positions is called.

And it's not the only case. Shafiq and Babar Azam are same story

Finally. The Sri Lanka series decisions were schoolboy errors and he kept making them despite t being apparent to anyone with any understanding that we needed a second spinner
 
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Even if Mickey has made tactical errors, he is still absolutely needed because:

1. He can get rid of TTFs.
2. He is a big supporter of youngsters.
 
He has been promoted to open then dumped down the order and promoted to open again in 15 months or so. That is what changing positions is called.

And it's not the only case. Shafiq and Babar Azam are same story

Finally. The Sri Lanka series decisions were schoolboy errors and he kept making them despite t being apparent to anyone with any understanding that we needed a second spinner

Azhar is struggling because he has always failed against lateral movement. Also, at 33 years of age, the decline is inevitable. It has nothing to do with Mickey moving him up and down a couple of times.

Mickey had nothing to do with Azhar's failure in South Africa against swing, or the fact that he could only play one good innings in four Tests in England in 2016, in spite of getting flat tracks.
 
Mickey is relatively less effective in Test, only because of his Captain. Cricket still is an unique team game where Captain plays the bigger role than Coach. In LO, Sarfraz does merit a selection in XI, and he can command the team on field; in Test Sarfraz shouldn't be even in squad and to keep him comfortable, they are not picking a back-up WK either!!!

I haven't seen IRL's 2nd innings, and O'Brian must have played wonderfully; but from the match report I can say Sarfu goofed up the attack despite having an 180 ish lead - Arthur can't dictate how Sarfraz (any Captain) is going to handle his attack on field.

Won't comment on LO, as selective bunch will remind me of Champions Trophy, but for Test team, if Arthur has to save face, he needs a change in Captaincy - my choice is Amir, but won't mind Hasan, or even Yasir (if fit) either; but no Azhar, Asad, Babar, Fakhar; PAK team needs a bowling Captain. Sarfraz is there as specialist Captain (for his CT Captaincy), hence if he is removed from his kurshi, he'll not make the Test squad.
 
Mickey is less effective in tests because he's bloody building the test team from scratch again. He's made a few selection errors but has got the team right for the most part.
 
Mickey is relatively less effective in Test, only because of his Captain.

Lol Sarfraz has only captained in 3 tests and just a newbie test captain while Mickey lost 2 tests against WI and whitewashes in Aus and NZ with much experienced captain Misbah. The way you make out everything bad apart from Mickey is sometimes funny.

Anyway both Sarfi and Mickey are doing fine imo. We need to give them and youngsters some time.
 
Mickey is relatively less effective in Test, only because of his Captain. Cricket still is an unique team game where Captain plays the bigger role than Coach. In LO, Sarfraz does merit a selection in XI, and he can command the team on field; in Test Sarfraz shouldn't be even in squad and to keep him comfortable, they are not picking a back-up WK either!!!

I haven't seen IRL's 2nd innings, and O'Brian must have played wonderfully; but from the match report I can say Sarfu goofed up the attack despite having an 180 ish lead - Arthur can't dictate how Sarfraz (any Captain) is going to handle his attack on field.

Won't comment on LO, as selective bunch will remind me of Champions Trophy, but for Test team, if Arthur has to save face, he needs a change in Captaincy - my choice is Amir, but won't mind Hasan, or even Yasir (if fit) either; but no Azhar, Asad, Babar, Fakhar; PAK team needs a bowling Captain. Sarfraz is there as specialist Captain (for his CT Captaincy), hence if he is removed from his kurshi, he'll not make the Test squad.

Aamir may not even play tests anymore. Yasir is even more physically unfit than Sarfraz despite playing only one format. Hassan has played like 2 tests and we do not even know if he is suitable for test cricket. Unfortunately, there is no choice but to stick with Sarfraz.
 
Lol Sarfraz has only captained in 3 tests and just a newbie test captain while Mickey lost 2 tests against WI and whitewashes in Aus and NZ with much experienced captain Misbah. The way you make out everything bad apart from Mickey is sometimes funny.

Anyway both Sarfi and Mickey are doing fine imo. We need to give them and youngsters some time.

Misbah Lost 5 Tests in AUS & NZ, Sarfra lost 2-0 to this SRL side in UAE, where Misbah took PAK to Rank 1, hope you see the difference.

Arthur is doing good that he is bringing youngsters and delivering something despite Sarfraz being his unworthy Captain. Sarfraz is doing horrible as a Test player, let alone Captain - keeping like club cricket and scores of 20 & 8 coming after 40 overs against this Irish attack is worse than many tail-enders, and it's not that he failed once with bat, had the chance to improve average with less than 20 required. And his bowling operation in 2nd innings was like MoYo's SCG effort.

Being fan is great, being blind isn't so.
 
Aamir may not even play tests anymore. Yasir is even more physically unfit than Sarfraz despite playing only one format. Hassan has played like 2 tests and we do not even know if he is suitable for test cricket. Unfortunately, there is no choice but to stick with Sarfraz.

Sarfraz isn't the solution for sure - if required make Fakhar Captain & play him at 6, while Shadab as deputy. Apart from shouting selectively, Sarfraz has absolutely nothing to offer in the longer game - batting, keeping, fitness, age ..... it's difficult for Coach/Selector if you need a place to hide your Captain,
impossible for a struggling young side.

At one point, they were one wicket away at the start of 2nd innings from losing a Test to Ireland on their debut, and after enforcing follow-on!!!!!!!!! FGS, smell coffee......
 
Misbah Lost 5 Tests in AUS & NZ, Sarfra lost 2-0 to this SRL side in UAE, where Misbah took PAK to Rank 1, hope you see the difference.

Arthur is doing good that he is bringing youngsters and delivering something despite Sarfraz being his unworthy Captain. Sarfraz is doing horrible as a Test player, let alone Captain - keeping like club cricket and scores of 20 & 8 coming after 40 overs against this Irish attack is worse than many tail-enders, and it's not that he failed once with bat, had the chance to improve average with less than 20 required. And his bowling operation in 2nd innings was like MoYo's SCG effort.

Being fan is great, being blind isn't so.

Going with 3 fast bowlers against SL was Mickey's choice plus changing Azhar's position and getting Shan in. He himself admitted that. Plus playing Wahab in first match of CT which costed us. Guy has a history of making tactical selection mistakes.

And Lol its not about being a fan, it was Sarfraz's first test series. I believe in giving time to players and to captain. Sarfraz's captaincy is fine but need to improve his own performance.

Sarfraz as captain or not, Mickey hasn't got the results in tests.

Both Sarfraz and Mickye have their fair share of faults but as said above i will give both of them time till SA series at the very least.
 
Sarfraz isn't the solution for sure - if required make Fakhar Captain & play him at 6, while Shadab as deputy. Apart from shouting selectively, Sarfraz has absolutely nothing to offer in the longer game - batting, keeping, fitness, age ..... it's difficult for Coach/Selector if you need a place to hide your Captain,
impossible for a struggling young side.

At one point, they were one wicket away at the start of 2nd innings from losing a Test to Ireland on their debut, and after enforcing follow-on!!!!!!!!! FGS, smell coffee......

You are randomly throwing names. None of them is an established test player. Remember that Sarfraz was a far better test cricketer an year ago too. First, all the names you have suggested are unproven as captains, second they have almost no test experience, third, there is no guarantee that they will not go down the same route.

Let's say PCB makes Fakhar captain and he fails splendidly as a test batsman, what will they do, appoint another captain after 6 months? This is not the 90s when Pakistan had a new captain every year. PCB should be applauded that they stuck with Misbah and that produced #1 test ranking. They should show the same patience with Sarfraz.
 
if required make Fakhar Captain & play him at 6, while Shadab as deputy. .

Yes Fakhar who doesn't have any 4 day captaincy experience and hasn't even made his test debut yet should be made captain. You really think it will go down well with other players? May be in some parallel universe i-e LalaLand but surely not in Pakistan. This is Pakistan we are talking about not Australia or England. Here seniority culture exits as much as you dislike it. This is how it is in PAKISTAN!

And the names you have thrown as captain since last year i-e Imad, Umar Amin, Amir, Fakhar. I clearly rememeber last year you said Umar Amin should be made captain and after Pakistan cup you hinted towards Imad and then recently Amir and now Fakhar for tests. And now i see you fine with Sarfraz as LOI captain. May be show some patience for tests too? We can never build a team if we change captains every few months.

Sorry but its easy to write long essays and throw names but better would be to give a solution which is remotely possible.
 
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You are randomly throwing names. None of them is an established test player. Remember that Sarfraz was a far better test cricketer an year ago too. First, all the names you have suggested are unproven as captains, second they have almost no test experience, third, there is no guarantee that they will not go down the same route.

Let's say PCB makes Fakhar captain and he fails splendidly as a test batsman, what will they do, appoint another captain after 6 months? This is not the 90s when Pakistan had a new captain every year. PCB should be applauded that they stuck with Misbah and that produced #1 test ranking. They should show the same patience with Sarfraz.

Random name comes because PCB has appointed a WK well into his 30s, and struggling more & more every day by day. It has to start at some point, otherwise it'll end up carrying 40 years old Sarfraz as specialist Captain and someone keeps for him. First, that appointment (a WK as Test Captain, even not considering his age, work load or fitness) was a mistake, carrying it further is bigger mistake. Random name comes, because PCB hasn't even selected a deputy to keep Sarfraz comfortable, just like not picking a WK for a 3 Test tour in 2 countries.

FZ can definitely fail, and that's why I never suggest batting Captain for PAK - batting isn't the strength of the team, and it's the most difficult task for a batting Captain to lead a weak batting side. This is the only reason I didn't mention Babar, for his 25 average. But, persisting with Sarfraz is even worse choice - PCB is diging hole deeper.
 
Yes Fakhar who doesn't have any 4 day captaincy experience and hasn't even made his test debut yet should be made captain. You really think it will go down well with other players? May be in some parallel universe i-e LalaLand but surely not in Pakistan. This is Pakistan we are talking about not Australia or England. Here seniority culture exits as much as you dislike it. This is how it is in PAKISTAN!

And the names you have thrown as captain since last year i-e Imad, Umar Amin, Amir, Fakhar. I clearly rememeber last year you said Umar Amin should be made captain and after Pakistan cup you hinted towards Imad and then recently Amir and now Fakhar for tests. And now i see you fine with Sarfraz as LOI captain. May be show some patience for tests too? We can never build a team if we change captains every few months.

Sorry but its easy to write long essays and throw names but better would be to give a solution which is remotely possible.

Captaincy is a responsibility, not privilege. You appoint Captain on the personality traits, and cricket capability, not on experience - you can check record, after Cambridge, first FC Game that Imran led was a Test match. 10 years FC Captaincy experience won't make Azhar Ali or MoYo a better captain; but historically you'll see some of the best ever were made Captains at a very young age, with very little to no experience.

The fundamental mistake you made in the previous post is that - Mickey Arthur is one of the best around in his job, that's Head Coach of a Cricket team and if not PAK, he'll get offers from almost every where - PLs/SLs, different cricket boards or academies.

Sarfraz doesn't merit a spot even in the squad, let alone XI, for the purpose he is there - playing cricket. If PCB sacks him today, which Test/LO/T20 team is he going to make - let alone leading it?
 
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Random name comes because PCB has appointed a WK well into his 30s, and struggling more & more every day by day. It has to start at some point, otherwise it'll end up carrying 40 years old Sarfraz as specialist Captain and someone keeps for him. First, that appointment (a WK as Test Captain, even not considering his age, work load or fitness) was a mistake, carrying it further is bigger mistake. Random name comes, because PCB hasn't even selected a deputy to keep Sarfraz comfortable, just like not picking a WK for a 3 Test tour in 2 countries.

FZ can definitely fail, and that's why I never suggest batting Captain for PAK - batting isn't the strength of the team, and it's the most difficult task for a batting Captain to lead a weak batting side. This is the only reason I didn't mention Babar, for his 25 average. But, persisting with Sarfraz is even worse choice - PCB is diging hole deeper.

The best PCB can do is appoint a young vice captain. Give Sarfraz at least 18 months and evaluate how the vice captain and any new players have done in tests. If there is a standout performer then go ahead and appoint him as full time captain. Right now, there is no choice but to stick with Sarfraz.
 
Captaincy is a responsibility, not privilege. You appoint Captain on the personality traits, and cricket capability, not on experience - you can check record, after Cambridge, first FC Game that Imran led was a Test match. 10 years FC Captaincy experience won't make Azhar Ali or MoYo a better captain; but historically you'll see some of the best ever were made Captains at a very young age, with very little to no experience.

The fundamental mistake you made in the previous post is that - Mickey Arthur is one of the best around in his job, that's Head Coach of a Cricket team and if not PAK, he'll get offers from almost every where - PLs/SLs, different cricket boards or academies.

Sarfraz doesn't merit a spot even in the squad, let alone XI, for the purpose he is there - playing cricket. If PCB sacks him today, which Test/LO/T20 team is he going to make - let alone leading it?

From the same logic Sarfraz pretty much made his way as captain in pretty much every Pakistani team whether its u-19, Pakistan cricket club, Omar Associates, PIA or Quetta Gladiators. He is regarded as best captain in Pakistan and has trophies under his belt to prove it. Ab he cant captain India or Asutralia as he isn't a national of those countries.

Both Mickey and Sarfi are going fine as capatin and coach and there is room for improvement. I agree with you that Sarfraz needs to improve his own performance especially his fitness which is poor.
 
Mickey is trying to build a young team in tests. But he has made some poor tactical decisions. He needs to ensure he gets his tactics right.
 
He has been promoted to open then dumped down the order and promoted to open again in 15 months or so. That is what changing positions is called.

And it's not the only case. Shafiq and Babar Azam are same story

Finally. The Sri Lanka series decisions were schoolboy errors and he kept making them despite t being apparent to anyone with any understanding that we needed a second spinner



You are searching for an excuse to hate him :yk2
 
He has been promoted to open then dumped down the order and promoted to open again in 15 months or so. That is what changing positions is called.

And it's not the only case. Shafiq and Babar Azam are same story

Finally. The Sri Lanka series decisions were schoolboy errors and he kept making them despite t being apparent to anyone with any understanding that we needed a second spinner

I don't think the changing of positions affected these players form, but they were wrong decisions. Azhar should have opened. Asad should have been persisted at three, he didn't even do that bad he averaged a shade under 40. Babar should have been dropped down the order before, I don't think he's ready for test cricket yet, and definitely not no.3.

The last point is entirely right and there's no excuse. One of the worst cricketing decisions in history lol. I think we honestly would have won the series 2-0 instead of losing it had we picked the second spinner. And I can't believe he made the same stupid decision twice in a row, you'd think he'd have learnt from the first test.
 
I don't think the changing of positions affected these players form, but they were wrong decisions. Azhar should have opened. Asad should have been persisted at three, he didn't even do that bad he averaged a shade under 40. Babar should have been dropped down the order before, I don't think he's ready for test cricket yet, and definitely not no.3.

The last point is entirely right and there's no excuse. One of the worst cricketing decisions in history lol. I think we honestly would have won the series 2-0 instead of losing it had we picked the second spinner. And I can't believe he made the same stupid decision twice in a row, you'd think he'd have learnt from the first test.

I don't put it past him to still select Rahat for the second warm up and 1st England Test.
 
Azahr and Shafiq in the past could hide thanks to Younis and Misbah, while the bowling attack could rely on Yasir Shah. With them gone Azhar and Shafiq find it hard to step into the senior role and take more responsibility. While we are also busy finding worthy replacement for Younis and Misbah. At the same time Babar is not able to show any backbone in Tests nor is Sarfraz in good batting gorm.

All this adds up to our poor test team.
 
Mickey is the reason this side has done so well in LOIs over the past couple of months. A massive step up from the days of Waqar and Whatmore.
 
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I voted no. Am not impressed by him tbh

Wow. I can't remember saying this. I have changed my mind, he's one of the better coaches we've had in recent times, hopefully we do good against England.
 
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