Is Mohammad Amir getting a rough deal from the selectors?

[Saj]

He's been left out of the Pakistan squad, this time for the tour of New Zealand, with Misbah stating that "Mohammad Amir is not part of the white-ball matches as for this tour we have opted to invest, develop and focus on the promising and emerging players who are likely to be available to Pakistan for all formats."

Do you think he is getting a rough deal from the selectors?

Is he getting what he deserved?

Is he paying for deciding that he's not available for Test cricket?

 

[aloo paratha]

Just look at his performances, mediocre. There's no need for him, we're better off grooming developing young talents like Hasnain.

 

[Rana]

Just look at his performances, mediocre. There's no need for him, we're better off grooming developing young talents like Hasnain.

Yeah and Faheem Ashraf?

 

[Snowflake]

That's a weird reason though. In other words, you'll get selected only if you're available for all three formats. Why?!

These kind of reasons you get to hear when there is something to hide.

Amir may not be the Amir of old but he's still much better than the guys who have been selected, and the latter should be all that it takes for one to get selected.

 

[Maher96]

So Amir is better than Sohail Khan at the very least misbah sahab

 

[Hasan123]

All he does is take pot shots. He should put his head down and fight for his place.

 

[aloo paratha]

Yeah and Faheem Ashraf?

Who said I agree with his selection? I have been calling out Faheem's mediocrity since before 2019WC. This thread was about Amir so I answered the question.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Misbah also said about Amir that the decision was based on current form and he is monitoring the PSL playoffs. There are 24 T20s until the world cup and Amir himself doesn’t want to play all of them.

So why is he getting a rough deal?

It’s very simple, he didn’t have form in the National T20 cup. Misbah has made it clear, he shows form in the PSL or SLPL and he gets called up again.

 

[Glen Durrant fan]

You can't judge him in comparison to peak Amir, he isn't competing with himself to get in the squad. You have to compare him to the other options. According to almost every pro player from opposition teams who have commented on it, he is our most skillful bowler and for me, only Shaheen, who is in hot form, is ahead. He has to be involved. Test cricket retirement is irrelevant, that argument could be used for Windies to drop Pollard or for us to drop Hafeez, that argument by itself fails.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

You can't judge him in comparison to peak Amir, he isn't competing with himself to get in the squad. You have to compare him to the other options. According to almost every pro player from opposition teams who have commented on it, he is our most skillful bowler and for me, only Shaheen, who is in hot form, is ahead. He has to be involved. Test cricket retirement is irrelevant, that argument could be used for Windies to drop Pollard or for us to drop Hafeez, that argument by itself fails.

You’re right, we can’t compare him to peak Amir.

That’s why Rauf, Hasnain, Musa, Wahab, and Shaheen who all performed better than Amir in the National T20 cup make the team on current form.

But I am an Amir fan and I’m certain he will play the World Cup. You have my guarantee on that.

 

[Goooby]

He was the best bowler in the ODI WC for pakistan, and he was the best in the SL series after it too.. Got dropped from ODis when he could help us win games. New Chief Selector will definitely have him back in the squad, because misbah seems to have it out for amir

 

[kingusama92]

He's a must for the world cup squad.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Yeah and Faheem Ashraf?

I think Amir should be judged on his own merits.

Plus, to be fair, I am not even sure he wants it. His priorities seem to be family and T20 leagues just from appearances.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I think Amir should be judged on his own merits.

Plus, to be fair, I am not even sure he wants it. His priorities seem to be family and T20 leagues just from appearances.

His workload wasn’t managed properly by PCB, so he was forced into retiring from Test. They expected him to play all 3 formats, play every single game just like what they’re doing with Shaheen.

 

[Rana]

I think Amir should be judged on his own merits.

Plus, to be fair, I am not even sure he wants it. His priorities seem to be family and T20 leagues just from appearances.

That’s unfair to say. He clearly showed his dismay via tweet which was deleted ofc. I’m sure he wanted to play a competitive away series against a top side like New Zealand. But I guess we are developing Musa and Faheem on this tour

 

[Kroll]

You’re right, we can’t compare him to peak Amir.

That’s why Rauf, Hasnain, Musa, Wahab, and Shaheen who all performed better than Amir in the National T20 cup make the team on current form.

But I am an Amir fan and I’m certain he will play the World Cup. You have my guarantee on that.

If that happens, then you can say the others are getting a rough deal as then its making a mockery of the selection process due to Amir getting a free pass at the expense of a merited selection.

 

[Saj]

I think Amir should be judged on his own merits.

Plus, to be fair, I am not even sure he wants it. His priorities seem to be family and T20 leagues just from appearances.

No. He still wants to play for Pakistan. He was gutted at not being picked in the squad today.

 

[ahmedzee]

Yeah and Faheem Ashraf?

and Musa

 

[zacattakk]

Misbah does seem determined to make an example of him. However Amir doesn't do himself any favors. Sometimes he just completely fails to turn up and it seems like he is phoning it in. He was totally outbowled in the National T20 Cup by many other pacers; he wasn't even close to being the best pacer in his own team.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

If that happens, then you can say the others are getting a rough deal as then its making a mockery of the selection process due to Amir getting a free pass at the expense of a merited selection.

You misunderstand. When I say he’ll be back for the world cup, I mean he will be back via performances.

For now, the others are in much better form.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

You misunderstand. When I say he’ll be back for the world cup, I mean he will be back via performances.

For now, the others are in much better form.

I agree with this. Amir, along with Abbas are our two most intelligent bowlers. The pity is that their bodies (and hence performances) currently do not correspond to their mental ability to work batsmen out.

Amir has clearly lost a yard of pace, but worryingly he's also lost his new ball inswinger, which makes him currently a nothing bowler.

Either through t20 leagues, or for Northern through the Pakistan Cup, he needs to find himself again. The greater amount of time off will allow him to perhaps work on his outswinger. He could also may be work on his conditioning and rhythm to claw back at least a bit more pace. Lest we forget, he was still very very good in the PSL in February (remember the Fakhar and Haider bowleds) and is in no way finished. Once we get an improving Amir, he walks into the squad over a Musa.

 

[hitthestump]

The England series was clearly fresh in the mind of the selectors when picking the side for NZ.

Amir had his chance there and did very little. He also featured nowhere near the top bowlers in the National t20 cup.

There's literally no reason to select him at this point. The pace is gone, the swing is gone. If anything, Amir needs a break to rediscover his skills so it's good that he's been left out for now.

 

[hitthestump]

No. He still wants to play for Pakistan. He was gutted at not being picked in the squad today.

This is obviously good to hear from our viewpoint. But given his pretty average performances lately, does he still feel entitled to a place? Surely he knows better than anyone that he is miles off his peak bowling ability at this moment in time, so if he was selected that'd be pretty unusual given the other options that are available.

 

[Syed1]

What can one expect from Misbah. He will keep Amir out just due to grudges. I hope the NZ series is his last one as coach. Him getting the boot is way over due.

 

[Kroll]

You misunderstand. When I say he’ll be back for the world cup, I mean he will be back via performances.

For now, the others are in much better form.

Afterwards, I did actually think that but its still a bold claim considering his lacklustre National T20 Cup performances.

In all likelihood, it will probably be a panic move to induct him back in as Misbah will no longer be selector at that time. However, he may still try and block this from happening.

Personally, I'm not bothered either way over his omission. Even though, he is a good bowler in the format, I think having high quality spinners can be a bigger weapon to success.

 

[coy0607]

So Amir is better than Sohail Khan at the very least misbah sahab

Sohail is available for Test matches (previously in Eng, and now again in NZ), Amir is not. So its not a fair comparison.

To add, Sohail has mostly been use as a bowler for practice games or the nets - he hasn't actually played for Pakistan in over 3 years!
Has there been any indication that Amir would do that same? No, Amir would most likely throw tantrum's if he's used as a net bowler

Really this comparison makes no sense

 

[ads101]

He's our 2nd best pacer and we're stronger with him in the team.

Having said that with that talent, 10 years since he debuted, and brought back even though he fixed, is it all worth an average of nearly 30? In fact it's 32 after the ban. We never would have brought him back if we thought this was all he could give. He remains an excellent T20 bowler to his credit though.

I would play him alongside Shaheen, I think it's easier for a young inexperienced bowler to bowl alongside an experienced pair, rather than making Shaheen take all the responsibility with two youngsters. And honestly he's probably going to be a better player just focusing on ODI and T20 cricket, his body will hold up better. But I can understand him being out really, as I said he's been rather a poor investment for 10 years.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I agree with this. Amir, along with Abbas are our two most intelligent bowlers. The pity is that their bodies (and hence performances) currently do not correspond to their mental ability to work batsmen out.

Amir has clearly lost a yard of pace, but worryingly he's also lost his new ball inswinger, which makes him currently a nothing bowler.

Either through t20 leagues, or for Northern through the Pakistan Cup, he needs to find himself again. The greater amount of time off will allow him to perhaps work on his outswinger. He could also may be work on his conditioning and rhythm to claw back at least a bit more pace. Lest we forget, he was still very very good in the PSL in February (remember the Fakhar and Haider bowleds) and is in no way finished. Once we get an improving Amir, he walks into the squad over a Musa.

Precisely, and he has many opportunities between PSL 5 playoffs (Karachi will play at least 2 matches), List A, and PSL 6.

If he is able to find form, he can easily be called up at any point in the next 24 T20I matches that we play before the World T20.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Afterwards, I did actually think that but its still a bold claim considering his lacklustre National T20 Cup performances.

In all likelihood, it will probably be a panic move to induct him back in as Misbah will no longer be selector at that time. However, he may still try and block this from happening.

Personally, I'm not bothered either way over his omission. Even though, he is a good bowler in the format, I think having high quality spinners can be a bigger weapon to success.

The bold claim stems from the fan in me. Amir is a champion bowler, and he has had bigger setbacks in life. I was watching an interview recently and he said he retired from Tests because at heart he knows he has it in him to win a world cup for his country, and this is the only way he can do that. He said, fans keep asking why has Amir lost his pace and why has Amir lost his swing, and his answer to that is it didn’t just magically happen, there’s a reason behind it. He wants to bring himself back up to that level where he used to be in 2010 or maybe 2016, 2017, and for that he knows what he has to do.

I do believe him. I think he knows what he has to do. The question is whether he is able to execute on that and bring himself back up to the level we all want him to be at.

 

[Farabi]

Amir is the only Pakistani bowler in top 10 ODI bowlers ranking. He is ranked 8th, which places him ahead of Starc and Archer. The value of each player’s performance within a match is calculated using an algorithm, a series of calculations (all pre-programmed) based on various circumstances in the match. There is no human intervention in this calculation process, and no subjective assessment is made
Shaheen is 2nd best Pakistani at 16th FYI (though of course looking better than Amir on current form)
Do we really need to care what everyone’s “opinion” here is (including a selector’s) when an objective algorithm shows that Amir has outperformed most bowlers WW over the last 2-3 years. His performance in T20 or unavailability for test should be mostly irrelevant.

 

[Ertugrul_Bey]

Amir is a must for WC. He is one of those players who turn up in big tournaments. I wont judge him on recently concluded T20 tournament where a dozen catches were drop in each match. Not sure what has Wahab, Musa and Sohail Khan done to get a call for NZ series ...smh

 

[Colorblind Genius]

He's been left out of the Pakistan squad, this time for the tour of New Zealand, with Misbah stating that "Mohammad Amir is not part of the white-ball matches as for this tour we have opted to invest, develop and focus on the promising and emerging players who are likely to be available to Pakistan for all formats."

Do you think he is getting a rough deal from the selectors?

Is he getting what he deserved?

Is he paying for deciding that he's not available for Test cricket?

“Investing in Promising and emerging players.”
So you tell me?

I will take Amir over Sohail everyday, and twice over the weekends.

Amir is losing his potency, no doubt but NZ was not a bad venue for his bowling.

And I’d be OK if Amir was dropped but the inclusion of Sohail Khan is cringe worthy.

 

[Kroll]

The bold claim stems from the fan in me. Amir is a champion bowler, and he has had bigger setbacks in life. I was watching an interview recently and he said he retired from Tests because at heart he knows he has it in him to win a world cup for his country, and this is the only way he can do that. He said, fans keep asking why has Amir lost his pace and why has Amir lost his swing, and his answer to that is it didn’t just magically happen, there’s a reason behind it. He wants to bring himself back up to that level where he used to be in 2010 or maybe 2016, 2017, and for that he knows what he has to do.

I do believe him. I think he knows what he has to do. The question is whether he is able to execute on that and bring himself back up to the level we all want him to be at.

Well lets hope so, he's been given enough backing despite his "setbacks". Prompting Misbah to take the huff.

 

[The Viper]

Amir will be back once he starts bowling well again. He didn't look great in the National T20 Cup. He has the ability, he just needs to bowl with more intensity again.

 

[MMHS]

I didn’t mind the treatment though - he had more than enough share of support, now a little pay back won’t harm.

I can read the mind of the guy - after six years of ban, he needed PCB & PAK cricket to establish his brand agin, but once that was done, he simply left the team without one senior pacer. He is basically keeping himself fit by not playing Tests (every cricket actually) for PCT, as it won’t cost his business in those PLs & SLs.

If he is not fit, or not in form, simply he won’t be picked for PCT - there was absolutely no need to retire from Test cricket. I don’t understand why posters are not realising this simple logic? There are 7 Tests in AUS, ENG & NZ since he retorted - he could have easily played those Tests and if he is not fit enough, no one would have forced him. He did that to make sure that there is no binding on him and he can be a free lancer without any condition from PCB.

This treatment is more than deserving - I won’t be missing him if PCB doesn't select him further in any format of cricket.

 

[angrypathan]

Didn't deserve to be on the squad on current form. Neither did some other players selected but it is what it is. Expectations from Amir are also higher due to how long he's been around and the perception that he's indebted to the PCB for allowing him back.

 

[Savak]

The guy even after retirement from Test Cricket has been bowling at 130-133 km/hr in T20s and Odis. Quitting test cricket has not made a significant difference to his bowling in the limited overs format.

I think he was never good enough to sustain having a long career. His bowling action now compared from 2009-2010 and 2015-2017 is completely different and ineffective

 

[Zeshan547]

I didn’t mind the treatment though - he had more than enough share of support, now a little pay back won’t harm.

I can read the mind of the guy - after six years of ban, he needed PCB & PAK cricket to establish his brand agin, but once that was done, he simply left the team without one senior pacer. He is basically keeping himself fit by not playing Tests (every cricket actually) for PCT, as it won’t cost his business in those PLs & SLs.

If he is not fit, or not in form, simply he won’t be picked for PCT - there was absolutely no need to retire from Test cricket. I don’t understand why posters are not realising this simple logic? There are 7 Tests in AUS, ENG & NZ since he retorted - he could have easily played those Tests and if he is not fit enough, no one would have forced him. He did that to make sure that there is no binding on him and he can be a free lancer without any condition from PCB.

This treatment is more than deserving - I won’t be missing him if PCB doesn't select him further in any format of cricket.

I second that despite being one of biggest Amir fans, he deserve it all whatever coming his way. You reap what you sow.

 

[MMHS]

The guy even after retirement from Test Cricket has been bowling at 130-133 km/hr in T20s and Odis. Quitting test cricket has not made a significant difference to his bowling in the limited overs format.

I think he was never good enough to sustain having a long career. His bowling action now compared from 2009-2010 and 2015-2017 is completely different and ineffective

I doubt - not that I ever was so confident regarding his integrity. You ask me, I’ll say he is not giving 100% for PAK cricket - I have seen him bowling in BPL in January and you’ll see him in PSL in few days time .... I do believe that there is a genuine lack of effort.

 

[Titan24]

He has struggled in T20I and retired from tests. Yes one can argue that he could have been there for T20 format over couple or more pacers but, that still cant hide the fact that he took 4 wickets in last 8 matches. Yes economy is also an important part and while he maintained that for some matches, he went for 9.36 in his last match which was also wicketless. Also not to forget, his struggles with fitness and pace while playing international cricket.

In ODIs, he has performed decently in the matches he played on last 1.5 or so years, he is in the top 10 bowers too, so he deserves selection in that format whenever Pak plays that. It would be unfair to him as well as Usman Shinwari who have done well in ODIs to be dropped based upon lack of performances in the other formats.

 

[naseem]

No.....
I am a critic of Misbah and I don't see any good in him but this is long due...and I stand with Misbah....from last Australia tour to national t20 Amir is. regressing fast.... This Eng tour is the last thing u expect from him....... If a premier bowler can't complete a t20 match .who don't play all format by the way...then that bowler need a reality check....Amir can no longer take. pak for granted......

 

[moghul]

Amir is not the first player in international circuit to opt out from one format . He did the right decision to retire from test cricket to prolong his international career and it was good decision for Pakistan too. Why Misbah and selectors having a grudge against him, its a childish and senseless act.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I didn’t mind the treatment though - he had more than enough share of support, now a little pay back won’t harm.

I can read the mind of the guy - after six years of ban, he needed PCB & PAK cricket to establish his brand agin, but once that was done, he simply left the team without one senior pacer. He is basically keeping himself fit by not playing Tests (every cricket actually) for PCT, as it won’t cost his business in those PLs & SLs.

If he is not fit, or not in form, simply he won’t be picked for PCT - there was absolutely no need to retire from Test cricket. I don’t understand why posters are not realising this simple logic? There are 7 Tests in AUS, ENG & NZ since he retorted - he could have easily played those Tests and if he is not fit enough, no one would have forced him. He did that to make sure that there is no binding on him and he can be a free lancer without any condition from PCB.

This treatment is more than deserving - I won’t be missing him if PCB doesn't select him further in any format of cricket.

Amir has played zero franchise leagues in the last year aside from PSL and BPL and I am sure you know how much money BPL pays ($70k) without making himself available for CPL, BBL.

Regarding the retirement for Test cricket, of course there was a need to retire - if he made himself available he would have been selected for the Australia and England tours to play Tests - he would indeed have been forced as he is fit enough to play in the short run at the cost of the long run.

Despite all this I agree the treatment is deserving - but because of his lack of form. He should not have been selected, nor should he be selected, if he is unable to become threatening as a bowler again. He was absolutely harmless during the T20 cup.

 

[naseem]

Amir is not the first player in international circuit to opt out from one format . He did the right decision to retire from test cricket to prolong his international career and it was good decision for Pakistan too. Why Misbah and selectors having a grudge against him, its a childish and senseless act.

This has only prolong his fitness issues and poor form....he is out of form and fitness for 1 year or so.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Mickey arthur dropped wahab for a year before the world cup, and it worked, same applies here before the world t20.
Amir needs to feel like he's never been hungrier.

 

[TeamPak95]

I think for now, this dropping is warranted. I get the feeling that this will make Amir more hungrier than ever before, but that just might be my inner fan talking. Pakistan play a lot of t20 cricket prior to the 2021 WC so let's see how the fast bowling attack fares in terms of combinations, and of course Amir's form in domestics. Assuming Amir gets back into form and is back in the team, he would have to open the bowling with Shaheen, but then again that would also assume that Haris Rauf, who's had a very good Zim series, doesn't do well against NZ, SA, and ENG. Interesting times ahead with regards to Amir and Pakistan's fast bowling combinations, so let's see what happens.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I think for now, this dropping is warranted. I get the feeling that this will make Amir more hungrier than ever before, but that just might be my inner fan talking. Pakistan play a lot of t20 cricket prior to the 2021 WC so let's see how the fast bowling attack fares in terms of combinations, and of course Amir's form in domestics. Assuming Amir gets back into form and is back in the team, he would have to open the bowling with Shaheen, but then again that would also assume that Haris Rauf, who's had a very good Zim series, doesn't do well against NZ, SA, and ENG. Interesting times ahead with regards to Amir and Pakistan's fast bowling combinations, so let's see what happens.

I think along the same lines till I see the entire list of squad, which makes me opine that Amir with his diluted potency, is still better than Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz combined.

And then Misbah’s justification to drop Amir, (“we have opted to invest, develop and focus on the promising and emerging players”) reeks even worse when you look at chacha Ifti, Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz.

 

[Mamoon]

Flat pitches, tiny boundaries. In New Zealand, you need bowlers with control and discipline. The overheard conditions also aid swing with the new ball.

If you are not picking Amir for a New Zealand tour, you may as well ask him to announce retirement from international cricket.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Despite his poor performance in National Cup, he should be regular member on any overseas tour. He is a kind of player who has always performed in bigger tournaments played overseas.

Misbah and co needs to put aside personal differences and select the players on merit.

If Faheem can make into team then there is no question why a bowler like Amir wouldn't.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Flat pitches, tiny boundaries. In New Zealand, you need bowlers with control and discipline. The overheard conditions also aid swing with the new ball.

If you are not picking Amir for a New Zealand tour, you may as well ask him to announce retirement from international cricket.

Do you not realize that at the moment he is not the bowler that he can be?
He is not fit and his action isva ll messed up. He will be taken to the cleaners because all he resorts to these days is 130 kph off cutters.
He needs to go to the drawing board and work on his issues like Wahab did when he was dropped by Mickey.

 

[kingusama92]

I think along the same lines till I see the entire list of squad, which makes me opine that Amir with his diluted potency, is still better than Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz combined.

And then Misbah’s justification to drop Amir, (“we have opted to invest, develop and focus on the promising and emerging players”) reeks even worse when you look at chacha Ifti, Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz.

You misunderstood what Misbah meant.

A player becomes more "promising and emerging" as he ages. This is why Iftikhar, Sohail Khan, and Wahab Riaz are no-brainers.

 

[naseem]

Despite his poor performance in National Cup, he should be regular member on any overseas tour. He is a kind of player who has always performed in bigger tournaments played overseas.

Misbah and co needs to put aside personal differences and select the players on merit.

If Faheem can make into team then there is no question why a bowler like Amir wouldn't.

He was there in the last Aus tour.....and the Eng tour....what he did....

 

[kingusama92]

Amir is still one of the better economical bowlers in Pakistan and can easily play that role in an XI.

PSL 2020: 7.52 (4th best in the PSL among full-time pacers)
National T20: 8.73 (8th best in the PSL among full-time pacers)

**Full-time means a player that bowled in a majority or all of his team's matches.**

From the guys selected, only one was more economical in BOTH tournaments (Shaheen). Otherwise, some guys did well in the PSL, while others did well in the National T20 Cup. No one was consistent.

When he's in form, he obviously tends to top the economy rate rankings. When he's out of form, he still remains near the top among pacers.

The reason people want to leave Amir out is because he gets compared to his past self rather than the others around him. That's not how squads should be picked.

For now, Amir just needs to put his head down and perform well. It's the only way.

 

[waleed88]

I didn’t mind the treatment though - he had more than enough share of support, now a little pay back won’t harm.

I can read the mind of the guy - after six years of ban, he needed PCB & PAK cricket to establish his brand agin, but once that was done, he simply left the team without one senior pacer. He is basically keeping himself fit by not playing Tests (every cricket actually) for PCT, as it won’t cost his business in those PLs & SLs.

If he is not fit, or not in form, simply he won’t be picked for PCT - there was absolutely no need to retire from Test cricket. I don’t understand why posters are not realising this simple logic? There are 7 Tests in AUS, ENG & NZ since he retorted - he could have easily played those Tests and if he is not fit enough, no one would have forced him. He did that to make sure that there is no binding on him and he can be a free lancer without any condition from PCB.

This treatment is more than deserving - I won’t be missing him if PCB doesn't select him further in any format of cricket.

What are his stats in the previous 3 years of International tours in those regions? They are absolutely abysmal. Limited overs cricket is another story altogether since he left test cricket. I think this guy is made for limited overs like Malinga. The guy doesn't want to play test cricket, he needs to be left alone. I know the cricketing establishment invested heavily in him, but post-ban he was seriously mediocre in the largest format, with one 5-fer coming against West Indies in the UAE. I think there is no way Pakistan is taking the flight to the t20 world cup without him, even Misbah knows that. It kinda feels like an own goal.

 

[waleed88]

I just don't understand how Misbah keeps picking these old faces time and again. His chums Sohail Khan and Iftikhar almost always make the team which doesn't make any sense to me. Misbah you are not the captain anymore and this is not 2016 please.....

 

[imranyounus]

We have double standard. Its ok when you make your decision based on personal reasons without taking into account other who might be affected by your decision.

But others need to take care of you when making their own decisions.


Aamir decided to play only white ball cricket when we had only him and wahab as experience bowlers.

But now when Pakistan has planty of options to pick and choose from. He argues that he must be taken into account.

But now it's PCBs decision and Misba did it right. Taking into account our future we need to give more opportunity to young guys. Aamir should only be considered when needed most. and that's on tough tours where young player need support.

 

[MenInG]

Nasser Hussain when asked in our interview about Mohammad Amir's retirement from Test cricket:

"Just like Pakistani fans I was disappointed by his decision to retire from Tests because I felt there was so much more that he could give. I know his statistics were going in the wrong direction, it wasn’t going right for him and he had injuries and then like any other cricketer he had to decide what he was willing to put his body through and what was the best route for him.

As a cricketer, retirement from certain forms of the game is the only thing you are really in control of. Other people are in control of when you get axed and when you get left out, so I’m never overly critical of when people retire either from the game completely or from certain formats, because only you know what you are going through physically and the sacrifices you have had to make. But having missed 5 years, you would think that he would want to make up for lost time and play as much cricket as possible and then if you are left out you can say, well I made myself available.

I’ve been a massive fan of Mohammad Amir and he has bowled some wonderful spells such as that one in the Champions Trophy final. When he’s bowling well and swinging it there’s no greater sight in white-ball cricket, but he’s not quite done it in Test cricket on a consistent level. His decision was disappointing, but only Amir knows his body and his mind really. But if you are going to retire from a format then you have to make sure you come back strong in the formats that you are playing and you give it absolutely everything in white-ball cricket. So, if he is going to focus on white-ball cricket, let’s hope his statistics and his performances go up."

 

[Zaz]

I dont think he helps himself His attitude sometimes seems like hes going through the motions on the pitch- doing the bare minimum Like his heart isnt in it 100% anymore

Yes hes economical most of the time but thats not what you want from your opening pacer

Its penetration, some, hostility and someone putting in full effort Amir rocks up most of the time bowling cutters n slower balls at 83mph and going away with figures of 1-30 off 4 overs every game

His retirement doesnt help neither does the fact that hes opened up a youtube channel It all gears towards someone whos heart n focus isnt into his pakistan cricket like it should be

 

[shariqnoor]

His 2010 England summer was milked to the fullest. Now his 2017 champions trophy spell is being milked. The truth is, he's just not good enough. Tired of seeing his back of length cutters every second ball. He has no desire to get wickets. Just looks to contain the batsman these days.

I'm glad Misbah has not selected him. He doesn't offer much anyways.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It may be right to axe him but the reasoning given is wrong. Wahab and Sohail Khan do not have any future as 3 format players either. Neither does Faheem Ashraf.

Fair enough if they selected youngsters who they felt could offer something in all formats, but they have selected a couple of grandads and a TTF instead.

 

[jazbati]

He’s bowling first change these days. What rough deal are we talking about?

 

[TurkishCricketFan]

I have a soft spot for Amir, but it is time for him to perform consistently when he is given a chance. He should take part in all of Pakistan domestic tournaments, perform + improve his fitness so that he can at least bowl around 85mph.

This is what he needs to do independent of him being selected or not because frankly even when he does get selected most of the time he does not perform at the level that he should.

 

[naseem]

Amir will have enough scope to make a mark and return...if he really want to.....

 

[naseem]

It may be right to axe him but the reasoning given is wrong. Wahab and Sohail Khan do not have any future as 3 format players either. Neither does Faheem Ashraf.

Fair enough if they selected youngsters who they felt could offer something in all formats, but they have selected a couple of grandads and a TTF instead.

Wahab is there for t20....
Sohail might play one test although highly unlikely...
More so they will be used in nets and practice games... Tabish khan could have been selected but I don't know wheather Junaid or any pacer baring Abbas made a mark in QAE tournament so far

 

[GudduBadmash]

No, time to discard him permanently.


Don't want someone faking an injury everytime they are getting smashed. One of the few bowlers that consistently does that

 

[Forum363]

Terrible terrible management by Misbah. He has let his ego get in the way again.

Amir should have continued to play limited overs cricket and been convinced to play overseas Tests against England and New Zealand. If he feels his body is not up to the mark for every match, play him in the ones where he can best serve Pakistan.

At the end of the day, it’s about the needs of the country. Would Pakistan be a better attack with Amir in New Zealand - a resounding yes.

 

[Forum363]

No, time to discard him permanently.


Don't want someone faking an injury everytime they are getting smashed. One of the few bowlers that consistently does that

Consistently? Can you provide two or three examples where he’s done that?

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

He's been left out of the Pakistan squad, this time for the tour of New Zealand, with Misbah stating that "Mohammad Amir is not part of the white-ball matches as for this tour we have opted to invest, develop and focus on the promising and emerging players who are likely to be available to Pakistan for all formats."

Do you think he is getting a rough deal from the selectors?

Is he getting what he deserved?

Is he paying for deciding that he's not available for Test cricket?

Saj, since you are in contact with him, please let him know us fans cant be fooled by this victim narrative he is trying to propagate.
He should know that he has been dropped because of how ineffective he has become at his skill. He took retirement from tests so that he could perform better in LOI's. Okay, ask him, is the pace back? Is the swing back?
He was still seen trundling at 130 kph bowling off cutters.
How can he be entitled to a place with that?

Tell him that he needs to change his training, diet first of all because he doesnt have enough workable muscle to bowl fast.
Secondly his bowling action has deteriorated beyond belief.

He hasnt been using his hips at all for a good three years now and is just using upper body contraction which has caused great fatigue in his upper body.

Secondly, he isnt even using his runup properly, and pauses two paces before his load up, which means there is almost no transference of momentum.
He never did this when he was in form.

Let him know that he will never recover his speed if he doesn't identify these issues and it isnt all about quitting tests and getting more rest.

Rest only works if he works on these issues in the time off, and not just by sitting on your bum all the time.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Saj, since you are in contact with him, please let him know us fans cant be fooled by this victim narrative he is trying to propagate.
He should know that he has been dropped because of how ineffective he has become at his skill. He took retirement from tests so that he could perform better in LOI's. Okay, ask him, is the pace back? Is the swing back?
He was still seen trundling at 130 kph bowling off cutters.
How can he be entitled to a place with that?

Tell him that he needs to change his training, diet first of all because he doesnt have enough workable muscle to bowl fast.
Secondly his bowling action has deteriorated beyond belief.

He hasnt been using his hips at all for a good three years now and is just using upper body contraction which has caused great fatigue in his upper body.

Secondly, he isnt even using his runup properly, and pauses two paces before his load up, which means there is almost no transference of momentum.
He never did this when he was in form.

Let him know that he will never recover his speed if he doesn't identify these issues and it isnt all about quitting tests and getting more rest.

Rest only works if he works on these issues in the time off, and not just by sitting on your bum all the time.

This is very logical and for that exact reason, this won't have any benefit for Amir.

He is still living in 2010 and that's about it. To this day his body looks malnourished and underdeveloped and he has never really paid any attention to it.

Tweeting about it, having a YouTube channel are all activities suitable for retired good cricketers and that's where his focus is.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

So Amir is better than Sohail Khan at the very least misbah sahab

In terms of Sohail Khan bowling long spells then yes for me he is.

Amir is unfit and needs to work on that, fact is and this fact will always remain if he hadn't been stupid in 2010 then he would've surpassed Wasim Akram today.

 

[GudduBadmash]

Consistently? Can you provide two or three examples where he’s done that?

If I could post screen shots I would. I have found three instances of him going off with cramp or an injury when things were not going his way. It happened not so long ago when Bairstow was taking him for the cleaners too. Mentally weak bowler who plays for himself. People like that are not required in this youthful team. He's a trundler that offers very little

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

That’s unfair to say. He clearly showed his dismay via tweet which was deleted ofc. I’m sure he wanted to play a competitive away series against a top side like New Zealand. But I guess we are developing Musa and Faheem on this tour

What he says and what he does are two different things in my opinion. I have seen nothing from him in terms of motivation, enthusiasm, off season hardwork to tell me he wants it badly and is wiling to work for it. I'd rather go with other, more long term options.

 

[ChTab]

He absolutely deserves this kind of treatment, he sold his country for money & then tried to be innocent afterwards he was given another chance to represent Pakistan once again & because of that descion we lost a decent opener (Sharjeel Khan). Afterwards he ditched his country once again to prolong his t20 career. So whatever treatment he's getting is deserved for a selfish player & horrible person like him

 

[Forum363]

If I could post screen shots I would. I have found three instances of him going off with cramp or an injury when things were not going his way. It happened not so long ago when Bairstow was taking him for the cleaners too. Mentally weak bowler who plays for himself. People like that are not required in this youthful team. He's a trundler that offers very little

If you can just mention the matches / dates etc I can search for the scorecards myself and remind myself of what happened.

Mentally weak bowler who has been instrumental in our only two trophy wins in the past ~3 decades?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

A champion player needs to work harder behind the scene to prove his worth again and keep improving himself. He didn't look very good in the only t20 he played in england. Should use the time off to strengthen his body and regaining his swing.

Amir didn't do himself any favors by picking and choosing formats and neither did PCB do good by catering to his demands by only playing him in overseas tests since from 2018. He could have simply delayed his retirement from tests till the aus tour when the selectors asked him and wahab to do it.

Some players earn differential treatment like Stokes, Kohli etc, Amir was given that yet he still wasn't happy with that.

Guys like Mitchell McClenaghan, Shaun Tait did that and they were ignored for future matches by their respective boards as well even though Tait eventually got a call up 5 years later.

Roman Reigns this year took off 5 months off due to corona pandemic risk to his health as has had a relapse of leukemia, he was given that. During the off time, he hit the gym, got to his career best shape and returned even a stronger guy. Yes wrestling is scripted, but the work they put on their bodies is real, the executions of dangerous moves are real and it does take strength and training to do multiple backflips and other stuff.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What he says and what he does are two different things in my opinion. I have seen nothing from him in terms of motivation, enthusiasm, off season hardwork to tell me he wants it badly and is wiling to work for it. I'd rather go with other, more long term options.

As I said in the other thread, there's nothing to suggest that he feels motivated to pull on a Pakistan shirt these days. He retired from test cricket, bowls mostly in the 130's these days, and seems to be more interested in the more lucrative T20's around the globe. Which is all fine, I wouldn't begrudge anyone the chance to earn money, especially Pakistani players who are restricted anyway, but he can't expect to get picked without performing.

He was given a lot of leeway by the selectors considering he sold out the country, and really the onus is on him to show he was worth it. Bowling at medium pace is not going to do it. He still has a lot of skill compared to some of the young pretenders, but he's not making it count. We can only speculate why, and with his history he really needs to be showing more.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Amir puts his selection case in Allah’s court
By ARY Sports -November 11, 2020


Karachi: Mohammad Amir asked people to question Misbah-ul-Haq about his non-selection for the New Zealand tour as he has put his case in Allah’s court.

Taking to Twitter, Amir said he is not worried about his selection in the team because he trusts Allah and not people.

“Woh Allah Kar Sakta Hai Banda Ni or Mje Allah Pe Trust Logon Pe Ni [Only Allah can plan things and not humans and I trust on Allah, not people,” he replied to a tweet.

https://arysports.tv/amir-puts-sele...bFPwsdB38waKSDv8qCSBcwijD33hrO46hp4cnizGdt1lI

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Leave it up to Allah to get fit and motivated as well. Must be Allah's fault he's trundling at 130ks then.

 

[Mirpur express]

On current form he hardly makes into the top 10 Pakistani pacers, guys like Tabish Khan , Sohail Khan & even Imran Khan snr have outperformed him , he needs to get his head down & work hard , he’s an intelligent guy , the Misbah SAAB remark hasn’t gone down well with a lot of fans too , serious attitude change needs IMO

 

[BigShak]

Fully deserving of this treatment.