Is Mohammad Amir getting a rough deal from the selectors?

[hitthestump]

Mohammad Amir is definitely getting a rough deal. Can’t believe more people cannot see it. At the very least, he is the fourth best limited overs seamer in Pakistan. He is still world class. I don’t care what you say about his pace. He has genius bowling IQ and quality control.

He'll be the best bowler in Pakistan if he can operate at 140kph again. He really should be working in the gym right now rather than playing pyjama cricket for a quick buck. He claimed he was tired, but an opportunity for time off or domestic 4 day cricket comes up and not for the first time he's taken the easy way out.

Amir is slipping ever close to Umar Akmal standards. He continues to be his own worst enemy combined with a sense of entitlement is far too high compared his performances over the last few years.

 

[MenInG]

Players, especially bowlers need breaks after injury or if they need technical adjustments.

Let me provide a very good example.

After having an ignominious failure in the ashes, Mitchell Johnson at first tried to continue on, but after a foot injury on the tour to South Africa, he realised that he needed time off.

He then very famously took a year off and worked on his strength and conditioning. Just look at how much workable and functional muscle he added once he returned.
During this time off he also worked with DK Lillee on his action and run up.
He rebuilt his action altogether and in the process made his bowling arm a lot higher, which not only made him a lot more consistent, but it also improved his wrist position, which allowed him to bring the ball back into the right handers.

On Lillee' advice, he also used to go on jogs with the ball in his hand; usually at night time, so as to avoid any attention.
This is why if you look at his runup from 2013 onwards, he was holding the ball a lot closer to his chest which wasn't the case before.

So it wasn't just the mustache that did it for him.
If he at 30 plus(as he was at the time), could take a targeted time off and return as a demonic bowler, what is stopping Amir?

I am speaking with knowledge here. If he really wants to be a force again, playing these cheap leagues wont help him.

As [MENTION=153791]UzmanBeast[/MENTION] has alluded, the whole Bru-ha-ha about workload only makes sense if he took the time off and worked on his conditioning and his now degenerated bowling action.
Instead all he is doing is playing more league cricket.

It has been 2 years since he last played a test. Why has his body strength still not recovered? Let me tell you why, because he has done nothing to get it back.
Like others, he has resorted to the easier method of blaming others, instead of changing his own approach.

I hope you guys can communicate this to him, because at the moment he is his own worst enemy.

What you say above is probably true in most good systems but in Pakistan - out of sight is out of mind. If Amir has no friends in PCB, then taking a break now will be the end of him.

 

[FreePalestine]

He'll be the best bowler in Pakistan if he can operate at 140kph again. He really should be working in the gym right now rather than playing pyjama cricket for a quick buck. He claimed he was tired, but an opportunity for time off or domestic 4 day cricket comes up and not for the first time he's taken the easy way out.

Amir is slipping ever close to Umar Akmal standards. He continues to be his own worst enemy combined with a sense of entitlement is far too high compared his performances over the last few years.

As I already said, he is at least the fourth best limited over pacer in pakistan, even at 135 kph. It is blunt thinking to say you have to bowl 140 kph to be a quality fast bowler. What speeds do Jimmy, Broad, Roach, Curran, Bhuvi, Philander, Mustafiz, Southee, Boult (?), Richardson, Tye off the top of my head, bowl? Amir’s USP is his incredible control and bowling IQ. As I said, he is, at the very least, fourth or fifth best LOI seamer in Pak still. So he is getting a rough deal.

Your point about domestic cricket, county circuit and leagues seems merited, especially since he was complaining about workload! But, on purely cricketing merit, he deserved to be in the squad and, imo, should be in Pakistan’s squad for India, Aus.

 

[Zaz]

His skill set always suited test cricket more Swing accuracy and brain He couldve had 300 test wickets at the end of his career His name couldve been up there after the likes of wasim imran and waqar But like some have said hes sacrificed it all for a quick buck

Jimmy anderson is a similar example but of someone who was clever enough to know which format his skills are best at and how to make the best use of his career How to work and improve yourself Hes prioritised test cricket And hes down as a england legend now

I know england test bowlers earn a lot lot more than their pakistani counterparts but money isnt everything What about prestige and going down in your countries cricket history?

Hes gone after the money and not worked on his bowling or skills like some have said, look at him being belted around in 2 bit t20 leagues around the world No pace or swing Hes sold himself for a quick buck

What he couldve been and look at where his bowling is now

 

[SARJ_BD]

His skill set always suited test cricket more Swing accuracy and brain He couldve had 300 test wickets at the end of his career His name couldve been up there after the likes of wasim imran and waqar But like some have said hes sacrificed it all for a quick buck

Jimmy anderson is a similar example but of someone who was clever enough to know which format his skills are best at and how to make the best use of his career How to work and improve yourself Hes prioritised test cricket And hes down as a england legend now

I know england test bowlers earn a lot lot more than their pakistani counterparts but money isnt everything What about prestige and going down in your countries cricket history?

Hes gone after the money and not worked on his bowling or skills like some have said, look at him being belted around in 2 bit t20 leagues around the world No pace or swing Hes sold himself for a quick buck

What he couldve been and look at where his bowling is now

What made you think that Amir could have been a good test cricketer?
Go and watch his performance in Test cricket. He failed to take a single wicket in many innings. Even new rookie Abbas outclassed him in England series 2018.

Amir, Umar Akmal and some other cricketers have always been classed as top talents without performance.

 

[zain7077]

Lets see if Amir can perform again tonight.

 

[Zaz]

What made you think that Amir could have been a good test cricketer?
Go and watch his performance in Test cricket. He failed to take a single wicket in many innings. Even new rookie Abbas outclassed him in England series 2018.

Amir, Umar Akmal and some other cricketers have always been classed as top talents without performance.

Read my post again His skill set suited test cricket There are issues since he came back with his bowling which if he worked on couldve made him more effective at test level

If he was 100% intent on becoming a top class test bowler and putting the hard work in theres no reason why he couldnt have become one with some dedication and technical changes to his action

But like many have said hes not bothered to get fitter or do any remedial work to prioritise the format

All hes interested in making a quick book playing these t20 leagues, its a total waste

 

[Savak]

Even his 5 wicket haul, most were either caught on the boundary or trying to hit out in the slog overs. He bowled one good bouncer for his first wicket. There is nothing special or extra ordinary about his bowling, he cannot get an unassisted wicket to save his life these days.

 

[Titan24]

Generating decent pace today. In high 130s and a bouncer of almost 140 kph.

 

[Zaz]

Even his 5 wicket haul, most were either caught on the boundary or trying to hit out in the slog overs. He bowled one good bouncer for his first wicket. There is nothing special or extra ordinary about his bowling, he cannot get an unassisted wicket to save his life these days.

Its true he mostly relies on picking up cheap wickets at the death overs on the boundary or deep in the outfield from miscues

 

[MenInG]

Taken 1/29 in 4 overs today in LPL - team lost again!

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Generating decent pace today. In high 130s and a bouncer of almost 140 kph.

That is the high end of his pace these days, and it is still not good enough to breach the defences of some below average batsmen, which just showcases how down on pace he still is.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

What you say above is probably true in most good systems but in Pakistan - out of sight is out of mind. If Amir has no friends in PCB, then taking a break now will be the end of him.

Hasan was out for more than a year and most posters here called him "done for", but he will be back very soon, because everyone can see that he has regained the pace and fitness.

No good and sustainable thing in life comes without hard work and courage.
Amir has to be brave if he wants sustainable success.

There will still be plenty of opportunities for him if he takes a 6 month break to work with a professional. The world is not going to shrink on him if he does that.

In fact, if he is honest about his problems and let's it known publicly that he is working on his issues, then it will generate a positive sentiment for him, not only in the public eye, but also with the PCB selectors.

 

[Kroll]

Generating decent pace today. In high 130s and a bouncer of almost 140 kph.

) Back in the day, this used to be considered trundling pace by our own lofty standards.

 

[Titan24]

) Back in the day, this used to be considered trundling pace by our own lofty standards.

Considering how down Amir has been on pace it was an improvement.

 

[asadee]

Almost unplayable today..so far

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

He just needs 4 months of targeted training and he should be back.
He hasnt lost anything. It is just a loss of body strength and slight technical issues.
On days like today when it clicks, he still can get it close to 140 kph, but this is nowhere near his actual ability.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir so far today in the Lanka Premier League:<br><br>Balls bowled 12<br>Dot balls 11<br>Runs conceded 4<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LPLT20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LPLT20</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1337047877156286474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mickey Arthur on commentary today "Mohammad Amir's class comes to the fore. He is a man who rises to the big occasion, just like he did in the 2017 Champions Trophy final" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1337050700157743106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[Rana]

Galle are on fire today

 

[Varun]

What you say above is probably true in most good systems but in Pakistan - out of sight is out of mind. If Amir has no friends in PCB, then taking a break now will be the end of him.

You are never finished in Pakistan cricket. He will be in and out of the team for years to come like others before him.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Amir 2-11 in 4 overs, 16 dot balls out of 24!

Finishes his spell by executing a perfect yorker to Dale Steyn then following it up by getting him out bowled. Fairytale stuff.

 

[Rana]

Galle bowl Kandy out for 126 in a must win contest, lead up front by Mohammad Amir.

TBF, the guy has stepped up after being a let down in the beginning of their campaign.

 

[Caved12]

Looked great today

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir today:<br><br>Balls bowled 24<br>Dot balls 16<br>Wickets 2<br>Maiden over 1<br>Runs conceded 11<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LPLT20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LPLT20</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1337067787781599234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[hitthestump]

Excellent. There is an open slot at number 9 if he can continue to perform like this.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Excellent. There is an open slot at number 9 if he can continue to perform like this.

That spot only exists if our fast-bowling unit doesn't do well in New Zealand. If they do, then Amir won't get selected either way.

Mohammad Amir, unless he delivers such performances successfully in the eyes of the PCB, meaning that if he performs like this during the PSL and PCB affiliated events, he will be considered for selection. Going to a brand new league with very few international standard batsman won't justify his selection. If he cannot prove himself to the PCB within the next 6 months, Shaheen Shah will have become our new ball bowler along with Imad Wasim. I think that our current pace attack doesn't need Amir. We have enough fast-bowlers who can take wickets, though I think Haris Rauf is the weakest link in the attack.

 

[shamaan]

He needs to perform in the psl.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

That spot only exists if our fast-bowling unit doesn't do well in New Zealand. If they do, then Amir won't get selected either way.

Mohammad Amir, unless he delivers such performances successfully in the eyes of the PCB, meaning that if he performs like this during the PSL and PCB affiliated events, he will be considered for selection. Going to a brand new league with very few international standard batsman won't justify his selection. If he cannot prove himself to the PCB within the next 6 months, Shaheen Shah will have become our new ball bowler along with Imad Wasim. I think that our current pace attack doesn't need Amir. We have enough fast-bowlers who can take wickets, though I think Haris Rauf is the weakest link in the attack.

It only takes one bad performance for pakistani players to be seen with rose tinted spectacles
I've forgotten how many comebacks malik and hafeez have had

 

[UzmanBeast]

It only takes one bad performance for pakistani players to be seen with rose tinted spectacles
I've forgotten how many comebacks malik and hafeez have had

I think one bad performance still won't let Amir into the team, because if it is on Rauf's part, they'd simply try Hasnain for the other T20I. If none of the backup options work, then Amir has a chance to be called back.

 

[Indiafan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir so far today in the Lanka Premier League:<br><br>Balls bowled 12<br>Dot balls 11<br>Runs conceded 4<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LPLT20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LPLT20</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1337047877156286474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mickey Arthur on commentary today "Mohammad Amir's class comes to the fore. He is a man who rises to the big occasion, just like he did in the 2017 Champions Trophy final" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1337050700157743106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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He doesn't come good on big occasions. He deliberately holds back and saves his energy and lets others do the donkey work. His increased pace shows this clearly

Also repeatedly quoting CT final with team defending an unchasable score has to be the height of desperation

 

[Indiafan]

Galle bowl Kandy out for 126 in a must win contest, lead up front by Mohammad Amir.

TBF, the guy has stepped up after being a let down in the beginning of their campaign.

he does this deliberately. He knows exactly how to remain in the lime light and what talking points fans and media will have. You will repeatedly see him do nothing in other matches, not giving all, pace being down, barely trying. Then when the limelight time comes and other bowlers are exhausted after lig tournament where they gave they all, he will always have couple of good spells at good pace.

We have seen enough series to know this isna deliberate pattern with him

 

[MenInG]

Mohammad Amir speaking to ANI:

"Virat Kohli is a great player, one of the best, and his performance speaks for itself. Apart from his game, I also have huge respect for him as a person. It is always very fulfilling to hear good words from another great cricketer and a good human being,"

 

[JibranAnsari]

he does this deliberately. He knows exactly how to remain in the lime light and what talking points fans and media will have. You will repeatedly see him do nothing in other matches, not giving all, pace being down, barely trying. Then when the limelight time comes and other bowlers are exhausted after lig tournament where they gave they all, he will always have couple of good spells at good pace.

We have seen enough series to know this isna deliberate pattern with him

Dont know if a bowler can deliberately do this.

 

[MenInG]

Seems to be working hard on batting!

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Dont know if a bowler can deliberately do this.

It is not deliberate. His fitness doesn't allow him to exert in every match.

In big matches, his nervous system itself gets overactivated and the higher levels of adrenaline compensates for the lack of physical conditioning, hence the better performance output.

Overtime, if you keep on frying your nervous system, it leads to fatigue, and the body stops responding.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I think one bad performance still won't let Amir into the team, because if it is on Rauf's part, they'd simply try Hasnain for the other T20I. If none of the backup options work, then Amir has a chance to be called back.

He will be in the test team soon if naseem and shaheen don't do anything in the nz and South Africa tours
Can't say anything about one days because Pakistan aren't playing any

As for t20is, ur right, I can't see him playing in a t20i again unfortunately
There is Rauf, wahab, hasnain, musa, ashraf in front of him and they are all gun t20i bowlers

 

[choudhary6964]

He has been bowling well for few matches now in LPL.He has been swinging the ball at good pace.He surely would be back in national squad soon

 

[Deewana Mastana]

He will be in the test team soon if naseem and shaheen don't do anything in the nz and South Africa tours
Can't say anything about one days because Pakistan aren't playing any

As for t20is, ur right, I can't see him playing in a t20i again unfortunately
There is Rauf, wahab, hasnain, musa, ashraf in front of him and they are all gun t20i bowlers

LOL!

He hasn't got the fitness nor desire to play 5 day cricket especially tests he wouldn't even bother to play 4 day FC cricket for that matter.

His game is only left for T20 cricket which is at leagues around the world barring IPL.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

LOL!

He hasn't got the fitness nor desire to play 5 day cricket especially tests he wouldn't even bother to play 4 day FC cricket for that matter.

His game is only left for T20 cricket which is at leagues around the world barring IPL.

Odis only then for amir
I don't think Rauf or musa would last long if they had to bowl 6 extra overs

 

[UzmanBeast]

He will be in the test team soon if naseem and shaheen don't do anything in the nz and South Africa tours
Can't say anything about one days because Pakistan aren't playing any

As for t20is, ur right, I can't see him playing in a t20i again unfortunately
There is Rauf, wahab, hasnain, musa, ashraf in front of him and they are all gun t20i bowlers

Check out what Waqar Younis said about Mohammad Amir. Doubtful that he will even get a chance in any format now. Clearly Waqar has had enough of Amir's shenanigans.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Odis only then for amir
I don't think Rauf or musa would last long if they had to bowl 6 extra overs

Rauf takes too much time to find the perfect length, Musa is garbage as of now.

Hasnain could be a good choice for ODI considering that he has gotten much better in recent times.

 

[Savak]

If you are desperately concerned about winning your place in the side, the last thing you would do is to public-ally criticize your coaches and blatantly disrespect them. I am surprised the PCB has not taken disciplinary action against Amir for his numerous transgressions.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I urge everyone to read Osman Samiuddin's "Who is the real Mohammad Aamir"? Its very clear from reading it that Aamir is most likely 30 rather than his official age of 28, was considered very fragile and had two serious stress fractures of the back which nearly ended his career and he had to train heavily to compensate for a fragile body and is not as mentally tough a competitor as many think he is. Add to that Aamir had the 3rd most workload of any bowler in international cricket in 2016 after not playing for nearly 5.5 years and barely training in between and accumulated further injuries in the knee etc.. After reading all that, I'm not convinced any amount of tweaking will make him the world class bowler that fans think he has the potential to reach.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I urge everyone to read Osman Samiuddin's "Who is the real Mohammad Aamir"? Its very clear from reading it that Aamir is most likely 30 rather than his official age of 28, was considered very fragile and had two serious stress fractures of the back which nearly ended his career and he had to train heavily to compensate for a fragile body and is not as mentally tough a competitor as many think he is. Add to that Aamir had the 3rd most workload of any bowler in international cricket in 2016 after not playing for nearly 5.5 years and barely training in between and accumulated further injuries in the knee etc.. After reading all that, I'm not convinced any amount of tweaking will make him the world class bowler that fans think he has the potential to reach.

Absolutely, you’ve nailed it spot on.

But also, [MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION], imagine it from his perspective. What’s the first thing you’d do out of desperation in this situation? I’d drop everything and frantically search for a fitness or bowling coach who can help me fix things.

He’s not doing that, and that’s my greatest worry. Even if no amount of tweaking will help, why is he not even trying? His solution is to a) reduce the workload and b) steam in and give it his best in a C grade T20 league. Is that really the best way to make a comeback? He’s also regularly publicly insulting the people who might pick him!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Absolutely, you’ve nailed it spot on.

But also, [MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION], imagine it from his perspective. What’s the first thing you’d do out of desperation in this situation? I’d drop everything and frantically search for a fitness or bowling coach who can help me fix things.

He’s not doing that, and that’s my greatest worry. Even if no amount of tweaking will help, why is he not even trying? His solution is to a) reduce the workload and b) steam in and give it his best in a C grade T20 league. Is that really the best way to make a comeback? He’s also regularly publicly insulting the people who might pick him!

My apologies. Tweaking will help him of course . But I'm not sure hes going to turn into a Starc in LOIs or a Cummins/Steyn in test cricket. Not sure he has it in him physically or mentally. He can of course become a lot better than he is right now.

And if Aamir were younger and had a burning passion for cricket and cricket alone , he'd probably do that as he showed a tremendous ability to withstand pain early in his youth. But hes older and he has a wife and a child now and I'm sure his priorities have changed. If he can provide better for his family by doing the minimum that is required and playing only shorter formats/leagues etc, then I cant really fault him for choosing to do so especially if he thinks his body wont hold up. Put yourself in his shoes, wouldn't you do the same?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

My apologies. Tweaking will help him of course . But I'm not sure hes going to turn into a Starc in LOIs or a Cummins/Steyn in test cricket. Not sure he has it in him physically or mentally. He can of course become a lot better than he is right now.

And if Aamir were younger and had a burning passion for cricket and cricket alone , he'd probably do that as he showed a tremendous ability to withstand pain early in his youth. But hes older and he has a wife and a child now and I'm sure his priorities have changed. If he can provide better for his family by doing the minimum that is required and playing only shorter formats/leagues etc, then I cant really fault him for choosing to do so especially if he thinks his body wont hold up. Put yourself in his shoes, wouldn't you do the same?

I’m not faulting him at all for earning, in fact I think LPL is at least earning him some eyeballs which can help his case. So he’s doing the right thing in that sense, but he’s also neutralizing that by insulting the selectors. Most importantly, he’s failing to identify the core problems and work on them, so that he returns closer to his peak (even if it’s not Mitchell Starc level).

I have faith in him to stage a comeback by the 2021 T20 WC, but he needs to work on the underlying technical issues.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I’m not faulting him at all for earning, in fact I think LPL is at least earning him some eyeballs which can help his case. So he’s doing the right thing in that sense, but he’s also neutralizing that by insulting the selectors. Most importantly, he’s failing to identify the core problems and work on them, so that he returns closer to his peak (even if it’s not Mitchell Starc level).

I have faith in him to stage a comeback by the 2021 T20 WC, but he needs to work on the underlying technical issues.

Yes, I believe he should give it his all at the 2021 World T20 and then call it a day as far as representing Pakistan goes. If he does give a stellar performance there, I think all will be forgiven and he can do whatever he pleases after that. I think both parties are at fault here. Misbah/Waqar are not willing to understand that the current Amir has limitations and make the best of what they have got. Aamir, however, hasnt realy helped himself with these comments either.

 

[shaz619]

Putting everything into context for his critics and fans, both have exceedingly high expectations from Amir. Overlooking workload/fitness issues, there comes a point in your life when you soften and simply don’t want the storm anymore, we see this a lot in the twilight of most boxing careers to and I feel that time has come for Amir, the desire is just not there and even if he climbed that mountain, I highly doubt he would be the bowler folk want him to become. There is an argument which can also suggest his current path is ideal to get the most out of what he has left and at the highest level, perhaps not much.

At his best Amir is a treat to watch, in the last 2-3 games even in below par LPL I’ve enjoyed watching him bowl as he seemed to be in rhythm, his pace was up, new ball swing, tagging batsman in the head and seeing the fire in his eyes. Just watching him bowl you struggle to understand how he can’t find a place in Pakistan’s world beating T20 squad and more often then not he brings it in crunch situations, with that in mind I feel some ego’s need to be put aside. As an England fan I would never buy a sky sports pass to watch the alternatives mentioned here e.g Rauf / Musa.

 

[MenInG]

1/36 in 4 overs - not what Galle expected off him in a final!

 

[GudduBadmash]

Usman Shinwari has two less wickets than him having played three less games so if anyone is getting a rough deal it's that poor guy.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Amir just signed with the Pune Devils in Abu Dhabi T10