Mohammad Rizwan vs Mohammad Haris – Is the comparison even justified anymore?

[Rana]

Rizwan needs to come back in the setup ASAP. He will need to follow a clear guideline around strike rate though.

Fitness matters. Age doesn’t.

Number 6.

He will do what Haris cant do.

Change is inevitable, and it's something we all encounter at different stages in our lives. Even Riz has the potential to change, just like the rest of us.

I think Holder and management read these comments and took them seriously. They expected Rizwan to chase down 38 off 12 at the back end.

This defeat of the Patriots is on you. Can you explain wth happened here?!

 

[Rana]

Amir Vs Rizzu. Surely rizwan can outbat the greatest super over chocker of all time

The fear of the number 6

Amir’s quad gave up!!

 

[AZulfi]

I think Holder and management read these comments and took them seriously. They expected Rizwan to chase down 38 off 12 at the back end.

This defeat of the Patriots is on you. Can you explain wth happened here?!

That's a tall order for even the best strikers such as Rohit Sharma, Gilchrist, Afridi and AB. 99% of the time, batsmen would fail if faced with such a scenario

 

[Rana]

That's a tall order for even the best strikers such as Rohit Sharma, Gilchrist, Afridi and AB. 99% of the time, batsmen would fail if faced with such a scenario

There are people of your mindset here who have been telling us this guy is the fix.

Why has he been demoted from 3 to number 7 today with the game practically gone? He scored 60* last time

Explain it.

 

[AZulfi]

There are people of your mindset here who have been telling us this guy is the fix.

Why has he been demoted from 3 to number 7 today with the game practically gone? He scored 60* last time

Explain it.

There are also stubborn people like you who would back anyone regardless of performance. Besides do not twist my words. I never said Rizwan is the fix. I said he can only play if he shows more intent with the bat.

Let's see how Haris performs in the upcoming games. He needs to first justify his place in the team. Runs in meaningless leagues do not matter.

 

[mominsaigol]

One thing I appreciate about CPL is that it is exposing the rizzu vs Sarfi vs Kamran Akmal vs Umar Akmal myth.

Like seriously understand how difficult it is to actually bat in the lower order in whiteball formats lol.

Comparing an opener with a low sr in t20 and claiming that he is a better t20 player due to scoring more runs at the top is comical.

It's also putting eggs on the faces of those wanting rizwan to replace Fakhar. Fakhar for all his faults in t20 is still an international player.

Rizwan is struggling in a league where Azam Khan is a star. And everyone knows Azam.

Azam Khan may be talented in raw reactions but its useless when you are juat too fat.

 

[Rana]

There are also stubborn people like you who would back anyone regardless of performance.

Let's see how Haris performs in the upcoming games. He needs to first justify his place in the team. Runs in meaningless leagues do not matter.

What is that supposed to mean? I’ve been saying the same thing for over 4-5 years now. Unlike flip flops like you who look for the opportunity to justify this clown.

Again, explain what happened today? Why did the patriots not send him out when the required rate was still manageable at 10s-11s??

 

[AZulfi]

What is that supposed to mean? I’ve been saying the same thing for over 4-5 years now. Unlike flip flops like you who look for the opportunity to justify this clown.

Again, explain what happened today? Why did the patriots not send him out when the required rate was still manageable at 10s-11s??

I do not follow meaningless leagues!

 

[Rana]

I do not follow meaningless leagues!

Who should be in the T20 national team? Harris or Rizwan??

 

[Major]

That's a tall order for even the best strikers such as Rohit Sharma, Gilchrist, Afridi and AB. 99% of the time, batsmen would fail if faced with such a scenario

Offcourse, but as you poiinted out, Rana would not care if any other player couldn't score runs. Infact, if this was Harriss failing (which he does everyday now), he would had cried about him batting at no.6 and would had pointed out some world conspiracy against him.

Khair, no one expects sense from a guy who thought Asif Ali should be the captain of the national team

 

[AZulfi]

Who should be in the T20 national team? Harris or Rizwan??

I will give Haris a chance until the World T20 next year. If he performs well, good for him. Otherwise, off your bike, mate. Make room for someone, better. Talk is cheap; performance only matters

 

[Rana]

I will give Haris a chance until the World T20 next year

Theek hai.

Ab araam se, tassali ke sath Beth jao. Don’t want to hear any negativity towards him considering some of us true fans have suffered the PTSD of Rizwan ruining our cricket team.

 

[gazza619]

I think Holder and management read these comments and took them seriously. They expected Rizwan to chase down 38 off 12 at the back end.

This defeat of the Patriots is on you. Can you explain wth happened here?!

How the hell can Holder bat at 4. Holder lost the match. You cant blame Riz by sending him at 7.

 

[Rana]

How the hell can Holder bat at 4. Holder lost the match. You cant blame Riz by sending him at 7.

He can do what he wants as captain.

The same as Rizwan misusing his power to bat as openers for 4 years at Multan and then Pakistan. Who are you to question Holder?

Everyone in CPL commentary has been saying Holder has been coming in too late considering the form he is in.

You don’t watch cricket so it’s ok.

 

[gazza619]

He can do what he wants as captain.

The same as Rizwan misusing his power to bat as openers for 4 years at Multan and then Pakistan.

I have a little assignment for you tonight. Find out Riz’s contributions and achievements in the PSL.

 

[Rana]

I have a little assignment for you tonight. Find out Riz’s contributions and achievements in the PSL.

I’ve got a better assignment for you.

Give up. Believe me, sukoon main raho ghe.

 

[mominsaigol]

Can all of you grow up? I expect this clownery from indian posters but not from my fellow Pakistani posters.

Stop tearing Haris apart for that tweet and keep the discussions relevant to cricket.

Haris has performed at no 3, but failed at every other position in t20.

It stands to reason that his fate should be determined by his performance at no 3. If he fails to perform at that no then sure.

Kindly keep politics out of it.

 

[gazza619]

Can all of you grow up? I expect this clownery from indian posters but not from my fellow Pakistani posters.

Stop tearing Haris apart for that tweet and keep the discussions relevant to cricket.

Haris has performed at no 3, but failed at every other position in t20.

It stands to reason that his fate should be determined by his performance at no 3. If he fails to perform at that no then sure.

Kindly keep politics out of it.

I have nothing against Haris. I like the lad. I like his selflessness. I wish he could be regularly sent at no.3. But Haris needs to learn a thing or two about making it not easy for the bowlers to get him out.

 

[Obaidd]

The fact that Pak has to chose between these two and the next option is Azam, speaks for itself.

At this time I’d say our keeper should bat at no. 7 in all formats.

 

[Obaidd]

Can all of you grow up? I expect this clownery from indian posters but not from my fellow Pakistani posters.

Stop tearing Haris apart for that tweet and keep the discussions relevant to cricket.

Haris has performed at no 3, but failed at every other position in t20.

It stands to reason that his fate should be determined by his performance at no 3. If he fails to perform at that no then sure.

Kindly keep politics out of it.

Haris performed once in 25 or so innings. That innings he played at no 3. The flash in the pan performance happened to be at 3.

You admit he fails at every other position. We can’t completely shift the batting order to roll the dice with Haris.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Hahaha.... Rizwan as a keeper has done more than Haris can even dream of, ATM...

Haris may get an easy way out because people call him a modern-day batter because he can slog 2-3 balls with closed eyes..

in t20 cricket, I am not in favor of Rizwan's comeback, no chance, but rizwan is better than haris in all other possible ways.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Rizwan is not a t20 player but Haris would have failed to score those runs too even if he got two chances.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I think Holder and management read these comments and took them seriously. They expected Rizwan to chase down 38 off 12 at the back end.

This defeat of the Patriots is on you. Can you explain wth happened here?!

Yeah 38 of 12 is so easy that every other batsman in the world would have chased that.

Defeat is on Rizwan because his team left 38 of 12 in a 180 chase.

Rehne de! Na ho paega

 

[mominsaigol]

Haris performed once in 25 or so innings. That innings he played at no 3. The flash in the pan performance happened to be at 3.

You admit he fails at every other position. We can’t completely shift the batting order to roll the dice with Haris.

Haris avg 28 with a sr of 161 at no 3 which are finn Allen stats and he played 10 games to get that no.

That's not inconsistent by any means. If he fails at that no then he fails sure and drop him. But dont drop him for faoling at no 6/7

 

[gazza619]

rizwan is better than haris in all other possible ways.

quote of the week!

 

[Rana]

Hahaha.... Rizwan as a keeper has done more than Haris can even dream of, ATM...

Haris may get an easy way out because people call him a modern-day batter because he can slog 2-3 balls with closed eyes..

in t20 cricket, I am not in favor of Rizwan's comeback, no chance, but rizwan is better than haris in all other possible ways.

Is that the only card left to play? Rizwan is the better keeper? Yeah we know that! But he is a CRAP T20 batter. What’s hard to understand here? Yesterday’s CPL match was a brutal reality check for him and his fans.

 

[Rana]

Yeah 38 of 12 is so easy that every other batsman in the world would have chased that.

Defeat is on Rizwan because his team left 38 of 12 in a 180 chase.

Rehne de! Na ho paega

Why didn’t Patriots send him out to bat at 3 or 4? When the rr was still relatively manageable? It was a must win game for them btw. This wasn’t experiment time. Why in such a crucial game, a crucial situation did they not send out Rizwan?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Yeah 38 of 12 is so easy that every other batsman in the world would have chased that.

Defeat is on Rizwan because his team left 38 of 12 in a 180 chase.

Rehne de! Na ho paega

Rizwan walked in when 42 runs were needed off 18. He scored 2 runs in 4 balls in the next over.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan walked in when 42 runs were needed off 18. He scored 2 runs in 4 balls in the next over.

I think if they sent him out at 4,

The patriots would have needed 60 in the last 2 and not 38.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How the hell can Holder bat at 4. Holder lost the match. You cant blame Riz by sending him at 7.

I mentioned in another thread that his selection overall reflects badly on St Kits Patriots. He doesn't fit into their team composition. They have also failed with Abbas Afridi.

However, the fact that they demoted him to number 7 and let him bat when the game was lost shows they don't rate Rizwan one bit. This could serve as a wake up call to him that he must work on his batting. In quick succession he has been booted from the national team and then demoted by his franchise.

 

[Rana]

I mentioned in another thread that his selection overall reflects badly on St Kits Patriots. He doesn't fit into their team composition. They have also failed with Abbas Afridi.

However, the fact that they demoted him to number 7 and let him bat when the game was lost shows they don't rate Rizwan one bit. This could serve as a wake up call to him that he must work on his batting. In quick succession he has been booted from the national team and then demoted by his franchise.

That too after he scored 60* at 3 in the previous game.

On top of it, none of the commentators were outraged at him not being sent into the middle when Patriots were struggling

They really didn’t care. Nor did they even highlight the fact that he came in late when he finally did come out. So it’s not just his franchise, even the guys calling the match (Bishop, Badree, Ganga etc) don’t rate him.

 

[Snowflake]

What people are failing to understand is that 8 out of 10 times, scoring 4 off 2 balls is better than scoring 35 from 30. The former at least gives the rest of the guys a fair chance to do something meaningful for the team.

This is why Haaris is a better option that Rizwan. The guy might be "failing" more on an individual level compared to Rizwan, but Rizwan was damaging THE TEAM more.

 

[PakPremi]

Harris clown keeping is costing Pakistan runs, never mind him scoring some.

 

[Major]

Harris is not even worth Rizwans joti.

 

[Mamoon]

Rizwan on one leg is better than this clown in all formats at every batting position.

 

[PakPremi]

Pakistan do not even trust to bat Haris before the Mohammed Nawaz the bowler, and for good reason.

 

[Caved12]

Even a club level team wouldn’t stick with Haris at this point. He can’t buy a run against associate level sides, and let’s not even get started on his keeping.

 

[Mamoon]

But but but….play him at 3 and this clown will magically evolve into Jos Buttler.

 

[Asif321]

Rizwan and Harris comparison doesn’t make sense . You can compare Harris with Azam khan or Usman khan. Rizwan has his limitations in t20 he can only play as opener but he atleast played some decent innings . Harris apart from one or two innings has been total embarrassment add to that being clueless against decent bowling . Both don’t fit in Pakistan t20 setup by the way .

 

[shamaan]

Harris clown keeping is costing Pakistan runs, never mind him scoring some.

Yes he cost pakistan a few runs.

 

[Obaidd]

What people are failing to understand is that 8 out of 10 times, scoring 4 off 2 balls is better than scoring 35 from 30. The former at least gives the rest of the guys a fair chance to do something meaningful for the team.

This is why Haaris is a better option that Rizwan. The guy might be "failing" more on an individual level compared to Rizwan, but Rizwan was damaging THE TEAM more.

Rizwan’s batting hurt pak team in t20s, this is valid.

Haris though is not even scoring the 4 off 2 balls you mentioned. I think every ‘innings’ he’s played lately has been under 100 SR. No defending the indefensible.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Clown comparison... Rizwan is still way ahead of Haris... But I don't want rizwan back in T20 team for sure... We gotta move on from him now as we already did..

 

[amvbfm]

T20 has affected the game in many ways but perhaps one of the most important ones is that it has afforded an opportunity to lesser skilled players and hacks who otherwise might never have played international cricket.

While many of these players have been able to carve a niche for themselves, there are many more who have been exposed. Haris is one such player, whose ambition and 'intent' far exceeds his ability. The key to success for such players is to realize their limitations and maximize their opportunities. Haris has neither the power (think Afridi) or timing (Asif Ali) to be a power hitter nor the finesse to be a proper batsman. He instead relies on heedless risk taking and improvisation not caring about the conditions, bowling or anything else. Occasionally, it comes off, but 9 out of 10 times, his approach is guaranteed to fail.

Whatever the conditions, whoever the opposition, if there is one thing you can rely on, its that Haris will come out and slog. There is even less shot selection here than if Afridi had been asked to bat with a blindfold on. Bowl him a yorker on middle stump and he will attempt a premeditated scoop, bowl him a difficult to hook/pull short ball at his body and he will never duck or weave or attempt to keep it down but play whatever shot, forehand, swat, guide to third man, he can. That might be a great quality if you have the skill level of A.B. De Villiers but if your game is as limited as Haris it is suicidal. It is disrespectful to the opposition and to the game and you cannot survive for long with that attitude. People call his batting selfless, courageous and innovative. It is not. It is stupid and suicidal.

At the moment there is no comparison between him and Rizwan. Despite his limited game Rizwan is head and shoulders above Haris in terms of batting and easily the best keeper in the country. His inclusion in the T20 team might be questionable based on reasons other than his batting and keeping skills but Haris is certainly not the long term solution to this problem. At the end of the day Haris' kamikaze attitude is as inimical to the team's interests as Rizwan's selfishness.

 

[Snowflake]

Rizwan’s batting hurt pak team in t20s, this is valid.

Haris though is not even scoring the 4 off 2 balls you mentioned. I think every ‘innings’ he’s played lately has been under 100 SR. No defending the indefensible.

I’ll need to check the list of his scores but my impression is that on average he is not playing more than 6 balls for his innings. If that’s the case, my point stands

 

[mominsaigol]

But but but….play him at 3 and this clown will magically evolve into Jos Buttler.

Mate, I am sorry if my analysis has frustrated you.

I'm just highlighting his stats at no 3. And willing to give him a run at no 3.

I'm not into any political nonsense, and am only referring to stats. If haris fails at no 3 then he fails and I will be wrong in my assessment. End of story.

 

[IronShield]

Mate, I am sorry if my analysis has frustrated you.

I'm just highlighting his stats at no 3. And willing to give him a run at no 3.

I'm not into any political nonsense, and am only referring to stats. If haris fails at no 3 then he fails and I will be wrong in my assessment. End of story.

Dying on Haris hill is foolish mate. He is a complete hack with little talent.

Don't need to go back to Rizwan, they can try someone else.

 

[Rana]

Dying on Haris hill is foolish mate. He is a complete hack with little talent.

Don't need to go back to Rizwan, they can try someone else.

The issue is, it’s not so easy in Pakistan to just go to someone else with RizBar and their touts eager to see this management fall.

 

[mominsaigol]

Dying on Haris hill is foolish mate. He is a complete hack with little talent.

Don't need to go back to Rizwan, they can try someone else.

Dying on haris hill? I'm not a fan of Haris lol. I couldnt care less about him.

I am pointing out a simple fact that he has finn Allen level stats at no 3 and hence should be persisted with the no until he completly falls.

 

[PakPremi]

Rizwan’s batting hurt pak team in t20s, this is valid.

Haris though is not even scoring the 4 off 2 balls you mentioned. I think every ‘innings’ he’s played lately has been under 100 SR. No defending the indefensible.

On top of that a dropped catch or missed stumping could cost dearly, let alone many fumbles costing some additional runs.

 

[PakPremi]

I’ll need to check the list of his scores but my impression is that on average he is not playing more than 6 balls for his innings. If that’s the case, my point stands

Lol you want a wicketkeeper batsman that lasts 6 balls, and that too not even hitting few boundaries in that short stint.?

 

[PakPremi]

Dying on haris hill? I'm not a fan of Haris lol. I couldnt care less about him.

I am pointing out a simple fact that he has finn Allen level stats at no 3 and hence should be persisted with the no until he completly falls.

How many good innings has he played at that position, out of 10 times(I think) he batted there?

 

[J-Essence]

The best we got right now is Rizwan. Until we find someone's better we need to better him back in the team ASAP. Play him down the order if you have to be well not have time to play for his stats or more than likely will be in a position to converge or early with the way our inexperienced top order is at the moment.

 

[Obaidd]

I’ll need to check the list of his scores but my impression is that on average he is not playing more than 6 balls for his innings. If that’s the case, my point stands

Your point could stand if he was scoring more than run a ball.

He’s playing those 2-6 balls innings AND scoring less than run a ball.

 

[RyanRyan10]

@Rana found something interesting

 

[Rana]

@Rana found something interesting

This is the nature of these snakes. They forget the good people did for them in the past.

 

[Rana]

The best we got right now is Rizwan

Best at what? Being practically useless?

 

[IMMY69]

Rizwan > Harris
Harris > Rizwan

What does it matter?

The system is corruot to the core in every facet, the players are born from the same system and until that changes Pakistan cricket will continue to struggle ...

Take Rizwan as an example, he did pretty well for a period of time and then regressed... this is because players that perform think they're untouchable, they game some authority and then seniority comes into play.... this atmosphere breeds laziness, a lack of drive, something they had when they were striving to get to the top and then lose it once they've arrived there...

It may sound like I'm waffling, but honestly guys we'll only see decline until unless there is a major change in the system which has to start from the very top.

 

[Snowflake]

Lol you want a wicketkeeper batsman that lasts 6 balls, and that too not even hitting few boundaries in that short stint.?

No. Never said.

 

[Snowflake]

Your point could stand if he was scoring more than run a ball.

He’s playing those 2-6 balls innings AND scoring less than run a ball.

Not really. If he’s just playing 2-6 balls, the run rate is not as significant. That’s the whole point that I was trying to make.

He can play 4 balls and get out after scoring 2 runs. I’ll take that over 35 from 30.

 

[Snowflake]

Rizwan > Harris
Harris > Rizwan

What does it matter?

The system is corruot to the core in every facet, the players are born from the same system and until that changes Pakistan cricket will continue to struggle ...

Take Rizwan as an example, he did pretty well for a period of time and then regressed... this is because players that perform think they're untouchable, they game some authority and then seniority comes into play.... this atmosphere breeds laziness, a lack of drive, something they had when they were striving to get to the top and then lose it once they've arrived there...

It may sound like I'm waffling, but honestly guys we'll only see decline until unless there is a major change in the system which has to start from the very top.

I agree with that. This seniority culture is the root of all problems. It’s got both Babar and Rizwan out of the team.

Once these guys think they are seniors, they assign themselves these easier roles like “anchors”. They make the new guys take all the risks by having them play the roles of hitters while they themselves chill by playing at a 100 strike rate because that’s their “role”.

We need a mindset change where the management demands that everyone plays for the team and no one can hide behind these BS roles like anchors.

 

[PakPremi]

T20 has affected the game in many ways but perhaps one of the most important ones is that it has afforded an opportunity to lesser skilled players and hacks who otherwise might never have played international cricket.

While many of these players have been able to carve a niche for themselves, there are many more who have been exposed. Haris is one such player, whose ambition and 'intent' far exceeds his ability. The key to success for such players is to realize their limitations and maximize their opportunities. Haris has neither the power (think Afridi) or timing (Asif Ali) to be a power hitter nor the finesse to be a proper batsman. He instead relies on heedless risk taking and improvisation not caring about the conditions, bowling or anything else. Occasionally, it comes off, but 9 out of 10 times, his approach is guaranteed to fail.

Whatever the conditions, whoever the opposition, if there is one thing you can rely on, its that Haris will come out and slog. There is even less shot selection here than if Afridi had been asked to bat with a blindfold on. Bowl him a yorker on middle stump and he will attempt a premeditated scoop, bowl him a difficult to hook/pull short ball at his body and he will never duck or weave or attempt to keep it down but play whatever shot, forehand, swat, guide to third man, he can. That might be a great quality if you have the skill level of A.B. De Villiers but if your game is as limited as Haris it is suicidal. It is disrespectful to the opposition and to the game and you cannot survive for long with that attitude. People call his batting selfless, courageous and innovative. It is not. It is stupid and suicidal.

At the moment there is no comparison between him and Rizwan. Despite his limited game Rizwan is head and shoulders above Haris in terms of batting and easily the best keeper in the country. His inclusion in the T20 team might be questionable based on reasons other than his batting and keeping skills but Haris is certainly not the long term solution to this problem. At the end of the day Haris' kamikaze attitude is as inimical to the team's interests as Rizwan's selfishness.

Top post.

 

[Obaidd]

I’ve watched enough sports to know such one trick ponies get found out. Serious teams don’t play them.

In Pak such jokers have careers because folks always waiting for the next saviour of Pak cricket.