Pakistan's Rotten Core – Mohammad Rizwan, Babar Azam, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Haris Rauf, Shadab Khan & Naseem Shah: Is the team better without them?

[Cricket Warrior]

PCB calls top white-ball performers for short training and evaluation camp in Lahore

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has called the country’s top white-ball performers for a short training and evaluation camp to be held in Lahore from June 3 to 5, reported 24NewsHD TV channel.

According to sources, 22 players, including star cricketers Babar Azam, Mohammad Rizwan, and Shaheen Shah Afridi, have been invited to attend the camp.

These players have been selected based on their recent performances in the Pakistan Super League (PSL) season 10 and domestic white-ball competitions.

The invited cricketers will participate in the camp in three different groups, with each group scheduled for short but intensive sessions.

The primary objectives of the camp are to assess the players’ fitness levels, review individual performances, and engage in strategic discussions regarding Pakistan’s white-ball future.

The camp will be overseen by head coach Mike Hesson, who will be accompanied by other members of the coaching staff.

Hesson is expected to meet individually and in groups with the top performers, discussing future goals and offering tailored guidance to key players.

The PCB also plans to brief the players on long-term plans and selection policies, providing them with clarity on expectations, roles, and development pathways.

PCB calls top white-ball performers for short training and evaluation camp in Lahore

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has called the country’s top white-ball performers for a short training and evaluation camp to be held in Lahore from

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[Mamoon]

It's the overall culture that sucks.

During Sarfi era, Even medicore players like imam, Babar, Hafeez punch > their weight and performed well.

It's because they all have a clear role and game plan and no one was competing for a spot against each other.

The plan was clear, aka fakhar provides the starts, Hafeez and haris sohail finish well.

If this strategy fails, Babar, Imam, Malik and sarfaraz rebuild.

Even players like hasan Ali were performing at peak.

Sarfi kept these guys in line. Didn't allow celebrations, consistently scolded everyone if they got out of line, Wasn't nice and friendly to the opposition. His racism remark was too far I agree but atleast he wasn't buddy buddy with the opposition. He knew cricket was war.

The new gang has no gameplan nor a good leader. It seems the new strategy is to hope that a talent emerges who isn't threatening the roti gang and just happens to ignore team culture and play aggressively.

Are we supposedly to completely ignore the fact that Sarfraz turned Pakistan into a minnow in Tests and ODIs in 2018-19? Do you have any recollection or awareness of Pakistan’s performances in these two formats in those two years?

 

[Mamoon]

It is laughable to group Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen with three mediocre players like Naseem, Rauf and Shadab.

Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen are comfortably Pakistan’s best players over the last few years in spite of having ups and downs. Some of their best moments are bigger than the the entire careers of Naseem, Rauf and Shadab.

Naseem has never performed with the ball but he has been hyped to the moon and his perception and reputation have always been greater than his performances.

Raufs deluded fans hyped him up as the second coming of Akhtar but in reality he is just a right-handed Wahab. A brainless bowler who is a match loser through and through.

As far as Shadab is concerned, his bowling completely deteriorated post 2017. In the last 5-6 years, he has been a glorified tailender with the bat and glorified part-timer with the ball.

Him playing as an all-rounder weakens both the batting and bowling at the same time. For years, he was protected by the fans because of his theatrics in the field and his image, but the 2023 World Cup was the final straw.

These three should be discarded for good, but Pakistan badly needs Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen at the top of their game in all formats.

 

[Rana]

Are we supposedly to completely ignore the fact that Sarfraz turned Pakistan into a minnow in Tests and ODIs in 2018-19? Do you have any recollection or awareness of Pakistan’s performances in these two formats in those two years?

Yes, just like we are supposed to completely forget the fact that Pakistan became the worst ever Pakistan cricket team in history with Babar and Rizwan as their main players in all formats.

 

[mominsaigol]

Are we supposedly to completely ignore the fact that Sarfraz turned Pakistan into a minnow in Tests and ODIs in 2018-19? Do you have any recollection or awareness of Pakistan’s performances in these two formats in those two years?

Sarfi worst era doesnt compare to Babar's worst era. Babar era was utterly atrocious

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, just like we are supposed to completely forget the fact that Pakistan became the worst ever Pakistan cricket team in history with Babar and Rizwan as their main players in all formats.

You can talk about why Pakistan failed in 2023-2024 in a separate thread. Their failures doesn’t justify why Pakistan under the so-called brilliant leadership of Sarfaraz become a minnow in 2018-19 and couldn’t even ride on the momentum of the fluke CT. The fact that you choose to deflect says everything.

 

[Mamoon]

Sarfi worst era doesnt compare to Babar's worst era. Babar era was utterly atrocious

One doesn’t justify the other.

My point is that Sarfaraz era was absolute garbage in Tests and ODIs (after 2017) and some people exaggerate and overrate his leadership and how the team was performing under him due to nostalgia and blurry memory.

Sarfaraz in 2018-19 oversaw one of the worst periods in history of Pakistan cricket and he deserves to be called out for it just like Babar deserves to be called out for 2023-24 period which was terrible as well.

 

[mominsaigol]

One doesn’t justify the other.

My point is that Sarfaraz era was absolute garbage in Tests and ODIs (after 2017) and some people exaggerate and overrate his leadership and how the team was performing under him due to nostalgia and blurry memory.

Sarfaraz in 2018-19 oversaw one of the worst periods in history of Pakistan cricket and he deserves to be called out for it just like Babar deserves to be called out for 2023-24 period which was terrible as well.

2019 campaign wasnt bad. Much better then our 2023 odi campaign and 2025 ct campaign.

2017 sealed his legacy. No captain post satfi won a trophy, he'll remain > the others by default until it happens

 

[Rana]

2019 campaign wasnt bad. Much better then our 2023 odi campaign and 2025 ct campaign.

2017 sealed his legacy. No captain post satfi won a trophy, he'll remain > the others by default until it happens

It is clear as daylight Pakistan regressed massively from 2019-2023. Trusting Babar and Rizwan as your main players was a big mistake.

 

[cricfan432]

It is clear as daylight Pakistan regressed massively from 2019-2023. Trusting Babar and Rizwan as your main players was a big mistake.

He'll bring 2021 semi final and 2022 final logic. Point is rizwan is not white ball player, and Babar is not t20 and if we get replacements not even an odi player. Even a kid would know this. We reached 2021 semi final due to asif ali and 2022 final due to shadab khan and iftikhar ahmed and muhammad haris vs south africa and due to sa poor performance against netherlands and nz poor performance in semi final.

 

[Mamoon]

2019 campaign wasnt bad. Much better then our 2023 odi campaign and 2025 ct campaign.

2017 sealed his legacy. No captain post satfi won a trophy, he'll remain > the others by default until it happens

2019 campaign was very poor. Pakistan had the third worst NRR among all teams and in spite of having the best preparation among all teams (5 matches series vs England right before the World Cup), their campaign basically ended on opening day vs WI when their NRR got nuked.

Sarfaraz was on top of the world in 2017. He was the most loved player in the country, a cult hero.

Some were calling him the next Imran Khan. The fact that he lost everything within 2 years shows how badly the team regressed under him.

He couldn’t even ride on the momentum of the CT. He really messed up big time from 2018 onwards with one humiliation after the other.

 

[Mamoon]

He'll bring 2021 semi final and 2022 final logic. Point is rizwan is not white ball player, and Babar is not t20 and if we get replacements not even an odi player. Even a kid would know this. We reached 2021 semi final due to asif ali and 2022 final due to shadab khan and iftikhar ahmed and muhammad haris vs south africa and due to sa poor performance against netherlands and nz poor performance in semi final.

Yes, just like we got humiliated in 2024 because of Amir and Imad who bowled the worst super over and played the worst innings in history.

If we are going to give credit to other players for the respectable results in 2021 and 2022 World Cups, let’s blame other players for the 2024 failure as well.

 

[Mamoon]

It is clear as daylight Pakistan regressed massively from 2019-2023. Trusting Babar and Rizwan as your main players was a big mistake.

Pakistan hit rock-bottom in 2018-19. There was no further regression possible, the only way was up and did happen in 2020-22 period under Babar with his, Rizwan’s and Shaheen’s rise.

 

[cricfan432]

Yes, just like we got humiliated in 2024 because of Amir and Imad who bowled the worst super over and played the worst innings in history.

If we are going to give credit to other players for the respectable results in 2021 and 2022 World Cups, let’s blame other players for the 2024 failure as well.

and even usa player who scored at better rate than babar. How much we scored in Powerplay do you remember? We lost the match in powerplay itself. We got better t20 players than imad anyways, but match was lost by Rizwan, he was the set batter.

 

[Mamoon]

and even usa player who scored at better rate than babar. How much we scored in Powerplay do your remember? We lost the match in powerplay itself.

Sequence of events matter. In spite of everything that happened, it all came down to the Super Over and it was 0/0 again. Nothing that happened before mattered.

Pakistan’s fate was in Amir’s hands and he choked massively. Who bowls 3 wides in a Super Over?

100% guaranteed that if Babar didn’t give the ball to Amir and Shaheen or Rauf had bowled and did what Amir did, all the fans would be criticizing Babar for having a personal grudge with Amir and would have claimed that had Amir bowled, he would have won it for Pakistan because he is a pressure performer bla bla.

Same goes for Imad. If Pakistan picked Nawaz instead and he had played the innings that Imad did, everyone would be saying that Imad would have won the match for Pakistan because the situation was perfect for him and he keeps a cool head under pressure bla bla.

 

[cricfan432]

Sequence of events matter. In spite of everything that happened, it all came down to the Super Over and it was 0/0 again. Nothing that happened before mattered.

Pakistan’s fate was in Amir’s hands and he choked massively. Who bowls 3 wides in a Super Over?

100% guaranteed that if Babar didn’t give the ball to Amir and Shaheen or Rauf had bowled and did what Amir did, all the fans would be criticizing Babar for having a personal grudge with Amir and would have claimed that had Amir bowled, he would have won it for Pakistan because he is a pressure performer bla bla.

Same goes for Imad. If Pakistan picked Nawaz instead and he had played the innings that Imad did, everyone would be saying that Imad would have won the match for Pakistan because the situation was perfect for him and he keeps a cool head under pressure bla bla.

Nawaz lost us vs zimbabwe, but that's not the point. Point is rizwan was the set batter and he took the game deep because of his limitations he couldnt hit few boundaries. I wont talk about amir, because my focus is not bowlers, in t20 bowlers get hit. Focus is batsmen, why couldn't we score the target in super over because babar did not select better players in first place.

 

[Rana]

Nawaz lost us vs zimbabwe, but that's not the point. Point is rizwan was the set batter and he took the game deep because of his limitations he couldnt hit few boundaries. I wont talk about amir, because my focus is not bowlers, in t20 bowlers get hit. Focus is batsmen, why couldn't we score the target in super over because babar did not select better players in first place.

for a long time we had warned some posters here about the limitations of Babar and Rizwan especially in the context of them insisting to hog the powerplay. There was one poster here who claimed Babar might not be a six hitter like Travis Head or DeQock, but he is capable of hitting six balls for 4 runs in a super over if need be so, so he isn't really limited according to him.

It was a shame not to see Babar and Rizwan man up to bat in the super over for Pakistan that day. We really could have done with 5 fours on 5 balls!

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan hit rock-bottom in 2018-19. There was no further regression possible, the only way was up and did happen in 2020-22 period under Babar with his, Rizwan’s and Shaheen’s rise.

2020 was an ever further regression lol. Pakistan got thrashed by Zimbabwe in a series .

2021 is one outlier event in which Pakistan was on an uphill rise.

2022 was a success achieved by Pakistan relying on other teams for help to qualify. Babar and rizwan averages and strike rates were hilarious in Asia cup and world cup

 

[cricfan432]

for a long time we had warned some posters here about the limitations of Babar and Rizwan especially in the context of them insisting to hog the powerplay. There was one poster here who claimed Babar might not be a six hitter like Travis Head or DeQock, but he is capable of hitting six balls for 4 runs in a super over if need be so, so he isn't really limited according to him.

It was a shame not to see Babar and Rizwan man up to bat in the super over for Pakistan that day. We really could have done with 5 fours on 5 balls!

Babar cant find gaps in powerplay let alone outside powerplay except few shots but that depends on bowler if he bowls smart.

 

[Rana]

Sequence of events matter. In spite of everything that happened, it all came down to the Super Over and it was 0/0 again. Nothing that happened before mattered

This is a pathetic cop out! It just goes to show how Babar and Rizwan fans have resigned to the fact that they are happy to see Pakistan become the minnow they have become under their watch.

 

[Rana]

Babar cant find gaps in powerplay let alone outside powerplay except few shots but that depends on bowler if he bowls smart.

Yes, bowlers like Hunain Shah and Aamer Jamal. Sometimes Abbas Afridi too when he insists on trying to bowl down a batter's pads.

 

[cricfan432]

This is a pathetic cop out! It just goes to show how Babar and Rizwan fans have resigned to the fact that they are happy to see Pakistan become the minnow they have become under their watch.

It shouldnt have gone to superover against usa in first place. I wont even blame tepiya for this, only batting. Shadab hitting saved babar's innings that day.

 

[Mamoon]

This is a pathetic cop out! It just goes to show how Babar and Rizwan fans have resigned to the fact that they are happy to see Pakistan become the minnow they have become under their watch.

Only cop out is by Imad’s shameless fans who spent a whole month advertising his ability to handle pressure in run chases and then tried to deflect the blame onto others after he played the worst innings in history.

 

[Mamoon]

Nawaz lost us vs zimbabwe, but that's not the point. Point is rizwan was the set batter and he took the game deep because of his limitations he couldnt hit few boundaries. I wont talk about amir, because my focus is not bowlers, in t20 bowlers get hit. Focus is batsmen, why couldn't we score the target in super over because babar did not select better players in first place.

Pakistan lost to USA because of Amir’s Super Over. I ask again: who bowls 3 wides in a Super Over?

 

[Mamoon]

2020 was an ever further regression lol. Pakistan got thrashed by Zimbabwe in a series .

2021 is one outlier event in which Pakistan was on an uphill rise.

2022 was a success achieved by Pakistan relying on other teams for help to qualify. Babar and rizwan averages and strike rates were hilarious in Asia cup and world cup

Pakistan drew a series in England in 2020. It was a good result.

As far as 2022 is concerned, Pakistan made the final fair and square. No one asked South Africa to lose to Pakistan and Netherlands and no one asked New Zealand to lose the semifinal either.

 

[Rana]

Only cop out is by Imad’s shameless fans who spent a whole month advertising his ability to handle pressure in run chases and then tried to deflect the blame onto others after he played the worst innings in history.

Stop looking for scapegoats. They wont save you from the embarrassing truth, and that is Rizwan and Babar up to is a disaster waiting to happen every time in T20. Its the cold, hard truth. Accept it now. Stop behaving like those criminals who keep denying the crime even though the evidence is shown to them right before their eyes! Scapegoats have not saved you anymore.

 

[Mamoon]

Stop looking for scapegoats. They wont save you from the embarrassing truth, and that is Rizwan and Babar up to is a disaster waiting to happen every time in T20. Its the cold, hard truth. Accept it now. Stop behaving like those criminals who keep denying the crime even though the evidence is shown to them right before their eyes! Scapegoats have not saved you anymore.

Only embarrassing truth is that Imad played the worst innings in history after spending the whole year on tv criticizing the players for doing exactly what he did. It was a lesson in humility for him and his supporters, and it was beautiful to watch.

 

[Rana]

Only embarrassing truth is that Imad played the worst innings in history after spending the whole year on tv criticizing the players for doing exactly what he did. It was a lesson in humility for him and his supporters, and it was beautiful to watch.

Everything Imad said about Babar and Rizwan is 100% true.

They are fraud T20 openers. They are selfish T20 players. They are not T20 players at all.

You can look for as many scapegoats as you want to give yourself some sort of coping mechanism, it will not change the fact that Imad was accurate in his assessment. He will be consulted and hired for cricketing expertise going forward too. He is an intelligent man who tried to open the eyes of the Pakistan fans.

You should learn from his example and use your 150iq for the benefit of the people, instead of misguiding them. You know what you are saying and doing is misleading.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan drew a series in England in 2020. It was a good result.

As far as 2022 is concerned, Pakistan made the final fair and square. No one asked South Africa to lose to Pakistan and Netherlands and no one asked New Zealand to lose the semifinal either.

They made the final, their is no denying it.

However they had to rely on other teams and you're conveniently ignoring how big of a role haris played especially against Bangladesh to get us over the line.

Please quote the stats of babar and rizzu in that event.

 

[Mamoon]

They made the final, their is no denying it.

However they had to rely on other teams and you're conveniently ignoring how big of a role haris played especially against Bangladesh to get us over the line.

Please quote the stats of babar and rizzu in that event.

Haris did well in the World Cup, but he has been completely rubbish in the last 3 years except this BD series, but his ego would suggest that he is some world beater. That is why he is unlikable.

And every team relies on other results in tournaments. Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Pakistan beat SA fair and square and deserved to qualify ahead of them.

 

[mominsaigol]

Haris did well in the World Cup, but he has been completely rubbish in the last 3 years except this BD series, but his ego would suggest that he is some world beater. That is why he is unlikable.

And every team relies on other results in tournaments. Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Pakistan beat SA fair and square and deserved to qualify ahead of them.

And every team relies on other results in tournaments.

Not always. Wasnt the case with emgland in 2019, nor the case with Australia in 2023, nor the case with india in 2024 and 2025, nor the case with aus from 1999 to 2007 or Aus from 2015.

They didn't rely on anyone.

 

[Mamoon]

Everything Imad said about Babar and Rizwan is 100% true.

They are fraud T20 openers. They are selfish T20 players. They are not T20 players at all.

You can look for as many scapegoats as you want to give yourself some sort of coping mechanism, it will not change the fact that Imad was accurate in his assessment. He will be consulted and hired for cricketing expertise going forward too. He is an intelligent man who tried to open the eyes of the Pakistan fans.

You should learn from his example and use your 150iq for the benefit of the people, instead of misguiding them. You know what you are saying and doing is misleading.

I don't need to a scapegoat. Imad presents himself like an escort on the streets of Amsterdam by playing the worst T20 innings in history. It was a torture to watch, absolutely embarrassing. I wonder where his intelligence was on that day when he tried to do exactly what he was not supposed to do on that pitch.

Imad lost all credibility and the fake aura that he had manufactured for himself. He got exposed as the fraud that he is who is not good enough to walk the talk. People conveniently forget how rubbish he was in 2021 when he was axed but they got a timely reminder last year. An absolute garbage cricketer.

 

[Mamoon]

And every team relies on other results in tournaments.

Not always. Wasnt the case with emgland in 2019, nor the case with Australia in 2023, nor the case with india in 2024 and 2025, nor the case with aus from 1999 to 2007 or Aus from 2015.

They didn't rely on anyone.

You always need other results to go your way unless you are winning every single league/group match. Of course if you have a 100% winning record it won't matter, but they are only a handful of teams who have maintained a 100% winning record before the knockouts though.

England 2019 is a good example of results going your way. England were pretty ordinary in the group stage, they lost 3 out of 9. Had Pakistan won one more match and had NZ beaten India in the match that was washed out, England would've been eliminated, so of course England benefited from other results that went their way.

 

[BouncerGuy]

All three of them are currently participating in white ball camp under Hesson. Is this the first sign of thier return???

 

[Rana]

All three of them are currently participating in white ball camp under Hesson. Is this the first sign of thier return???

Return to what? T20s?

They were called up with Saud Shaqeel too. So that’s a sign Saud is also in T20 contention?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Return to what? T20s?

They were called up with Saud Shaqeel too. So that’s a sign Saud is also in T20 contention?

This is about white ball bro... It was meant for ODI to what I said... Shaheen might return to T20 side though..

Hesson really wants Babar for t20 I think. Many reports circulating on SM about it so you enver know.

 

[cricketmania22]

This is about white ball bro... It was meant for ODI to what I said... Shaheen might return to T20 side though..

Hesson really wants Babar for t20 I think. Many reports circulating on SM about it so you enver know.

In present state Babar shouldn’t be selected for T20Is. He has become a liability.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Honestly, I have lost all respect for Shaheen ever since he decided he can't play test cricket anymore. Its amazing how some of our fans continue to call him an "elite bowler", eventhough his performance has basically been zero for quite some time now.

 

[shehz]

So basically, recalling Hasan Ali, Faheem, and Shadab feels like a step backward—not an upgrade from players like Shaheen and Naseem. They aren’t true match winners; they’re more like bits-and-pieces players. Just look at India’s lineup—both in batting and bowling. Every single player is dangerous and match winner. There are no weak links.

My only concern with Henson is that he might elevate Shadab’s role, making him a regular in ODIs and T20s. Yes, Shadab batted well recently, but he’s likely to be exposed against quality bowling. He handles half-trackers well, sure—but against strong teams, he’s unlikely to even connect properly. HIs bowling is still mediocre and gets lucky breaks with wide balls. I didn't see any improvement in spin or variations. We need Sufiyan! Again he is getting ignored for no reason.

 

[Mamoon]

The real rot was caused by Amir and Imad. Thankfully both losers sealed their fate by humiliating themselves in the World Cup last year and will never play for Pakistan again.

Shadab also needs to go. A joke of a cricketer but unfortunately with Hesson at the helm, he will most likely continue to stick around and pretend that he is an all-rounder.

 

[Rana]

Rotten core


No one but Babar and Rizwan.

Pakistan always first. Pakistan team always first.

 

[mominsaigol]

The team is easily better without them lol. Not even a question

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Pakistan lost to USA because of Amir’s Super Over. I ask again: who bowls 3 wides in a Super Over?

Wrong again.

Why did it go to a Super Over despite USA being a nothing side?

Because of Babar and Rizwan.

But obviously you cant say it because it would interfere with your agenda.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan lost to USA because of Amir’s Super Over. I ask again: who bowls 3 wides in a Super Over?

No one denies that Pakistan lost to USA in a super over and amir's bowling played a huge part.

Infact yes chasing 19 is extremely difficult for any opposition to chase down in a super over.

Have you contemplated why 2 world class batters felt the need to take it into a super over with a side such as USA?

 

[Mamoon]

Wrong again.

Why did it go to a Super Over despite USA being a nothing side?

Because of Babar and Rizwan.

But obviously you cant say it because it would interfere with your agenda.

Sequence of events matter. In spite of everything that happened, it all came down to the Super Over. None of the previous mistakes matter, including Haris Rauf losing his head as usual.

It was 0/0 again and Pakistan’s fate as in Amir’s hands, but the so-called big match player bowled the worst Super Over in history.

 

[Mamoon]

No one denies that Pakistan lost to USA in a super over and amir's bowling played a huge part.

Infact yes chasing 19 is extremely difficult for any opposition to chase down in a super over.

Have you contemplated why 2 world class batters felt the need to take it into a super over with a side such as USA?

#125

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Surprised that Amir still has people rushing to defend his super over. It was one of the biggest catastrophes in the history of Pakistan cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sequence of events matter. In spite of everything that happened, it all came down to the Super Over. None of the previous mistakes matter, including Haris Rauf losing his head as usual.

It was 0/0 again and Pakistan’s fate as in Amir’s hands, but the so-called big match player bowled the worst Super Over in history.

Their was no need for a SO if pakistan had played well. Going into a super over vs USA is an insult on its own.

Thankfully pakistan is finally smashing minnows and putting them in their place.

This 3-0 victory was Bangladesh was much needed.

 

[Rana]

Their was no need for a SO if pakistan had played well. Going into a super over vs USA is an insult on its own.

Thankfully pakistan is finally smashing minnows and putting them in their place.

This 3-0 victory was Bangladesh was much needed.

I think the insult is on USA to enter the Super over.

A team that opens with Babar and Rizwan is an insult to the opponent in the first place. It’s like saying “we will beat you with $hit T20 openers, bring it on”. USA the jokers should not have taken this game so deep. They should have ended it in the 18th over, remember they still had Corey Anderson to bat.

Only loser Peshawar Zalmi fans will look for scapegoats. Maybe they should make Hania Amir a scapegoat because she is always in Babar’s mind.

 

[mominsaigol]

I think the insult is on USA to enter the Super over.

A team that opens with Babar and Rizwan is an insult to the opponent in the first place. It’s like saying “we will beat you with $hit T20 openers, bring it on”. USA the jokers should not have taken this game so deep. They should have ended it in the 18th over, remember they still had Corey Anderson to bat.

Only loser Peshawar Zalmi fans will look for scapegoats. Maybe they should make Hania Amir a scapegoat because she is always in Babar’s mind.

Agha salman managed to adjust his game for t20 in a span of months whereas babar wasnt able to in over 5+ years of playing cricket.

Agha is clearly not a t20 batsmen. Anyone with a brain cell can tell. But you can clearly see him working towards it as well as being flexible with the batting order. He knows if hasan nawaz is to be sent, then he's to be sent.

I thought salman would have exposed this Ba/Riz myth by now.

Tbf Muhammad Haris exposed it more since hes a proper t20 batsmen.

 

[Rana]

No one denies that Pakistan lost to USA in a super over and amir's bowling played a huge part.

Infact yes chasing 19 is extremely difficult for any opposition to chase down in a super over.

Have you contemplated why 2 world class batters felt the need to take it into a super over with a side such as USA?

And we were sold the idea that the 2 world class batters can handle 24 in a super over if needed. Remember you can always hit 6x4s instead of relying on six hitting ability? @daytrader the legend pointed this out.

 

[Rana]

Their was no need for a SO if pakistan had played well. Going into a super over vs USA is an insult on its own.

Thankfully pakistan is finally smashing minnows and putting them in their place.

This 3-0 victory was Bangladesh was much needed.

Also I think Pakistan needed a more impactful bowler than Shoaib Akhtar, actually Joginder Sharma level bowler to bowl the super over @Major

 

[Mamoon]

Surprised that Amir still has people rushing to defend his super over. It was one of the biggest catastrophes in the history of Pakistan cricket.

Do these clowns have a choice? They wouldn’t shut up for months, talking about how Amir is a big moments players and keeps his cool under pressure and is intelligent etc.

The Amir Super Over is something that these clowns couldn’t envision in their nightmares.

Had Babar given the Super Over to any other bowler who had done what Amir did, these clowns wouldn’t shut up about how Amir would have won it for Pakistan in the Super Over.

 

[Mamoon]

I think the insult is on USA to enter the Super over.

A team that opens with Babar and Rizwan is an insult to the opponent in the first place. It’s like saying “we will beat you with $hit T20 openers, bring it on”. USA the jokers should not have taken this game so deep. They should have ended it in the 18th over, remember they still had Corey Anderson to bat.

Only loser Peshawar Zalmi fans will look for scapegoats. Maybe they should make Hania Amir a scapegoat because she is always in Babar’s mind.

We don’t need to look for a scapegoat. Who bowls 3 wides in a Super Over?

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS. STAY ON TOPIC AND NO PERSONAL STUFF PLEASE

 

[Mamoon]

Their was no need for a SO if pakistan had played well. Going into a super over vs USA is an insult on its own.

Thankfully pakistan is finally smashing minnows and putting them in their place.

This 3-0 victory was Bangladesh was much needed.

It doesn’t matter. It was 0/0 and Amir blew it. Preceding events didn’t matter — Pakistan’s fate was in Amir’s hands and he choked beautifully. He deserved this humiliation for the despicable human being that he is.

 

[Rana]

We don’t need to look for a scapegoat. Who bowls 3 wides in a Super Over?

Who hides having told the world we are the worlds best openers???

 

[mominsaigol]

It doesn’t matter. It was 0/0 and Amir blew it. Preceding events didn’t matter — Pakistan’s fate was in Amir’s hands and he choked beautifully. He deserved this humiliation for the despicable human being that he is.

I'm not advocating for Amir to return. Infact I'm even willing to admit that bringing back Amir was wrong as he was clearly done and dusted in psl like you proclaimed.

I'm stating 2 wrongs don't make a right. Babar and rizwan aren't a step in the right direction.

You cant proclaim that these so called intent merchants failed vs NZ but act like the team was doing wonders under Babar and rizwan. The results vs NZ were still the same this includes the t20 series pak played against their c team which did not feature Amir and imad as they were rested for this game where Mark Chapman owned us.

Under ba/riz Pakistan were a poor team. 2 openers did not change the fact. They are not Travis Head who has that x factor value and cam single handidely turn the tide on his day.

The improvement vs Bangladesh is strike rates. The idea of scoring a century and only playing 4 dots balls is a foreign idea pertaining towards ba/riz.

Muhammad haris has a poor record at opening and batting down the order in t20 but at no 3 his recked is solid. He was far far better at no 3 and he's the main reason why Pakistan managed to reach the semi's in 2022 while ba/riz were terrible in that cup.

 

[daytrader]

And we were sold the idea that the 2 world class batters can handle 24 in a super over if needed. Remember you can always hit 6x4s instead of relying on six hitting ability? @daytrader the legend pointed this out.

With Babar out of the team we simply don't have any World class batters. Who's your pick for the 24 from the new lot?

 

[mominsaigol]

With Babar out of the team we simply don't have any World class batters. Who's your pick for the 24 from the new lot?

We don't have any world class batters with ba/riz in the team.

2 world class batters are enough to typically win you t20 games 9 out of 10 times.

Any time Travis head performs the team wins or is in an extremely favourable position to win. Even if the team loses theirs always a sigh of relief when head departs.

For example Aus vs India t20 2024 wc, Aus lost but when head and marsh were on the crease, Indians were panicking.

When have babar and rizwan ever given you that bahrosa? They've been banking on the coattails of their singular india performance in 2021 t20.

2 World class batters don't vanish in super overs. 2 world class batters don't score 44 of 43 against USA which is a minnow side.

Even legendary batters in one format such as YK, Steve Smith etc etc dont view themselves as World class in the odi or t20 format. Yet you view babar azam world class in the t20 format lol.

 

[daytrader]

We don't have any world class batters with ba/riz in the team.

2 world class batters are enough to typically win you t20 games 9 out of 10 times.

Any time Travis head performs the team wins or is in an extremely favourable position to win. Even if the team loses theirs always a sigh of relief when head departs.

For example Aus vs India t20 2024 wc, Aus lost but when head and marsh were on the crease, Indians were panicking.

When have babar and rizwan ever given you that bahrosa? They've been banking on the coattails of their singular india performance in 2021 t20.

2 World class batters don't vanish in super overs. 2 world class batters don't score 44 of 43 against USA which is a minnow side.

Even legendary batters in one format such as YK, Steve Smith etc etc dont view themselves as World class in the odi or t20 format. Yet you view babar azam world class in the t20 format lol.

So who's a World class batters form the current lot and who do you back to hit 24 runs in a super over

 

[mominsaigol]

So who's a World class batters form the current lot and who do you back to hit 24 runs in a super over

For the first question, no one, Fakhar would be the only candidate in odi and tbf fakhar is as he's extremely consistent in odi. He performs 1 in ever 4 innings and ends up hitting a daddy 100 here and their.

However obviously in test and t20 that's not the case. Besides fakhar in odi, literally no one. Pakistan hasnt had a world class test batter since YK and has never had a world class t20 batter since t20's inception.

As for the 2nd question. You tell me lol. Babar doesnt even back himself to get that total. If he did he as captain wouldnt have sent 2 old men + a tail ender at no 3 to chase down 19

 

[daytrader]

For the first question, no one, Fakhar would be the only candidate in odi and tbf fakhar is as he's extremely consistent in odi. He performs 1 in ever 4 innings and ends up hitting a daddy 100 here and their.

However obviously in test and t20 that's not the case. Besides fakhar in odi, literally no one. Pakistan hasnt had a world class test batter since YK and has never had a world class t20 batter since t20's inception.

As for the 2nd question. You tell me lol. Babar doesnt even back himself to get that total. If he did he as captain wouldnt have sent 2 old men + a tail ender at no 3 to chase down 19

At one point you're backing Fakhar and then in the next para you're criticizing Babar's decision to send him for the super over as he's too old. Really confusing bro, either you support him or you don't.

Or maybe you just want to pin the blame on Babar somehow cause I know you still advocate for Fakhar to be in the t20 team.

Either case, don't be shy. Pick a player that you back to make 24 in a super over

 

[mominsaigol]

At one point you're backing Fakhar and then in the next para you're criticizing Babar's decision to send him for the super over as he's too old. Really confusing bro, either you support him or you don't.

Or maybe you just want to pin the blame on Babar somehow cause I know you still advocate for Fakhar to be in the t20 team.

Either case, don't be shy. Pick a player that you back to make 24 in a super over

What are you even on about? You phrased the question as, we have no world class batters in the team so who would you send in a super over to chase 24?

The way you phrased it, its blatantly obvious that you back Babar to chase it down which is ironic since as captain he chose to hide behind 2 old men and a tail ender clearly showcasing that he does not believe he can do it himself.

Babar himself admitted Inferiority to Fakhar in 2023 after the NZ innings. Babar has an ego but in 2023 even he had no choice but to submit after seeing fakhar smash NZ.

 

[daytrader]

What are you even on about? You phrased the question as, we have no world class batters in the team so who would you send in a super over to chase 24?

The way you phrased it, its blatantly obvious that you back Babar to chase it down which is ironic since as captain he chose to hide behind 2 old men and a tail ender clearly showcasing that he does not believe he can do it himself.

Babar himself admitted Inferiority to Fakhar in 2023 after the NZ innings. Babar has an ego but in 2023 even he had no choice but to submit after seeing fakhar smash NZ.

You're still avoiding the question I asked. We're not discussing Babar vs Fakhar nor Babar's ability. It's simply who do you back in the super over from the new lot

 

[mominsaigol]

You're still avoiding the question I asked. We're not discussing Babar vs Fakhar nor Babar's ability. It's simply who do you back in the super over from the new lot

Yes we are? The original topic is we dont have any world class batters after babar, I explained how babar isnt a world class batters.

You asked who is, I said fakhar only in odi?

After this you brought in more nonsense and I explained how babar doesnt even back hinself.

Obviously fakhar is the answer to chase it down. This question was answered by your fraudulent hero when he decided to send fakhar over himself.

Asking me who I'd send when your own hero answered that question is like asking me what 2 + 2 is.

Why on earth would any sane person answer something so obvious?

 

[daytrader]

Asking me who I'd send when your own hero answered that question is like asking me what 2 + 2 is.

The question was from the NEW LOT. You already admitted Fakhar is old and he hasn't done jack in super overs till date even though he's played the majority of them. Put your money where your mouth is and pick a name

@Rana you too. Question was directed to you after you tagged me a few days ago.

 

[Rana]

The question was from the NEW LOT. You already admitted Fakhar is old and he hasn't done jack in super overs till date even though he's played the majority of them. Put your money where your mouth is and pick a name

@Rana you too. Question was directed to you after you tagged me a few days ago.

What’s your question again? Who in Pakistan can hit 24 in an over?

 

[daytrader]

What’s your question again? Who in Pakistan can hit 24 in an over?

Yea since we don't have Babar and Rizwan to blame anymore. And by your logic the team has gotten a 100x better so who do you back

 

[Rana]

Yea since we don't have Babar and Rizwan to blame anymore. And by your logic the team has gotten a 100x better so who do you back

Well why don’t you try to work it out for yourself once you snap out of the delusion that it’s only Babar and Rizwan??

Look at the best balls-per-six rates in Pakistan cricket. You know that Asif Ali did hit 24 in an over to ensure Pakistan qualify for the Semi Finals in 2021. So that’s one player right there.

Now look at the players who clearly demonstrate an appetite for wanting to hit maximums. You will also come to know that Babar has a ratio of hitting a six every 40-50 balls

This was the crux of the discussion I had with you if I remember clearly. You wanted to act smart like Misbah or his fans want to….and you suffered the same embarrassment as Misbah and his fans do when it comes to white ball cricket strategies.

 

[mominsaigol]

The question was from the NEW LOT. You already admitted Fakhar is old and he hasn't done jack in super overs till date even though he's played the majority of them. Put your money where your mouth is and pick a name

@Rana you too. Question was directed to you after you tagged me a few days ago.

That was not your question earlier. Read your own messages. This why I call you a rat since in every conversation you deliberately change your stances and questions and then try to gaslight others by pretending as if this question was your original premise.

I dont take kindly to gaslighting.

Now to answer your New Question which you just asked

the answer is Muhammad Haris and Hasan Nawaz based of data of them hitting 100 of 44 and 100 of 46. Their clearly your kost explosive batsmen in the current setup.

 

[mominsaigol]

What’s your question again? Who in Pakistan can hit 24 in an over?

What’s your question again?

^^ See right here, @daytrader This is another case of gaslighting.

Kis ko pagal bana raha hai. This is why I take screenshot of messages now.

 

[daytrader]

That was not your question earlier. Read your own messages. This why I call you a rat since in every conversation you deliberately change your stances and questions and then try to gaslight others by pretending as if this question was your original premise.

I dont take kindly to gaslighting.

Now to answer your New Question which you just asked

the answer is Muhammad Haris and Hasan Nawaz based of data of them hitting 100 of 44 and 100 of 46. Their clearly your kost explosive batsmen in the current setup.

What’s your question again?

^^ See right here, @daytrader This is another case of gaslighting.

Kis ko pagal bana raha hai. This is why I take screenshot of messages now.

What are you on about? Gaslighting? Tumhara demagh waise kharab hai and on top of that youre the biggest liar on PP. You will say anything just to prove you're right. Here's the screenshot. Hope you can read cause it clearly says "new lot"

@Rana this is one of those sperms from your mindset

 

[mominsaigol]

What are you on about? Gaslighting? Tumhara demagh waise kharab hai and on top of that youre the biggest liar on PP. You will say anything just to prove you're right. Here's the screenshot. Hope you can read cause it clearly says "new lot"

@Rana this is one of those sperms from your mindset

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You realise why this ratty correct?

Anyone who would read these messages would assume new lot means current squad which fakhar is a part of, not new lot as in players who made their debut after babar and rizwam were axed.

Even Muhammad haris played under Babar and rizwan in 2022.

I stand by what I said, gaslighting, lying and ratting are your specialties.

youre the biggest liar on PP. You will say anything just to prove you're right.

Irony died a 1000 deaths.

 

[daytrader]

You realise why this ratty correct?

Anyone who would read these messages would assume new lot means current squad which fakhar is a part of, not new lot as in players who made their debut after babar and rizwam were axed.

Even Muhammad haris played under Babar and rizwan in 2022.

I stand by what I said, gaslighting, lying and ratting are your specialties.

youre the biggest liar on PP. You will say anything just to prove you're right.

Irony died a 1000 deaths.

Nikl chothe now you're just arguing for the sake of it. Fakhar is not the new lot, you yourself called him an oldie earlier lol.

 

[mominsaigol]

Nikl chothe now you're just arguing for the sake of it. Fakhar is not the new lot, you yourself called him an oldie earlier lol.

Nikl chothe now you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Listen mate, leave the gaslighting to Your heroes rizwan and babar. They suck at everything else but they know how to succeed at throwing accusations, playing victims and making everyone else believe that the system failed them.

 

[daytrader]

Nikl chothe now you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Listen mate, leave the gaslighting to Your heroes rizwan and babar. They suck at everything else but they know how to succeed at throwing accusations, playing victims and making everyone else believe that the system failed them.

More LOLs because they haven't said a word. You must be confused with Amir and Imad

 

[mominsaigol]

More LOLs because they haven't said a word. You must be confused with Amir and Imad

More LOLs because they haven't said a word. You must be confused with Amir and Imad

I forgot one of the key traits of gaslighters was to conveniently forget information yet remember other bits in extreme detail .

 

[daytrader]

More LOLs because they haven't said a word. You must be confused with Amir and Imad

I forgot one of the key traits of gaslighters was to conveniently forget information yet remember other bits in extreme detail .

And a key trait of liars is making up information

 

[mominsaigol]

And a key trait of liars is making up information

My brothers know that I tell the truth. My brothers also know that you are full of