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He has the most wicketless innings in the past year by any full time bowler.
At least he's the best at something.
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Is Mohammad Amir Pakistan's Ishant Sharma?
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At least he's the best at something.
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Comparing him to a loser like Ishant is just as bad as comparing him to Akram. He’s neither.
He’ll end his career as a very good test bowler - not an ATG but not an Ishant Sharma either.
He’ll end his career as a very good test bowler - not an ATG but not an Ishant Sharma either.
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Lol at drive to perform, this is the biggest myth. He is trying his best, he is simply not good enough.
He doesn't have the strength to bowl at full tilt throughout a test match. He has never shown anything in Asian conditions. He was simply over rated based on his exploits in England where even RP Singh has won India a test match.
It is simply ludicrous to discriminate b/w him and the likes of Wahab, Junaid and Rahat Ali.
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Amir is a better bowler than Ishant but only in LOIs.In tests Amir is a avg bowler.
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I think Amir benefited a lot from Asif bowling at the other end. Now that guy was World class.
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Mohammad Amir is a great talent. No doubt about that. He is not just in his rhythm. He may take a little more time to be back at his best.
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Yes, inshallah by the age of 35 he will bowl a rip snorter and be back to his best.
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We should call back Asif for the sake of Amir, maybe remove Azhar Mahmood and appoint Asif as the bowling coach.
I would take Ishant over Amir every day of the week
And on week ends since he can keep us entertained with his antics making funny faces. Can Amir do that?
Then what does that say about the Motorway King Kohli who keeps getting out to himwe must begin to wonder if he is better then Imran Farhat then
He has got out to him once in 4 innings they have faced each other so how does he keep getting out to him? Please explain.
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Since his comeback, Aamir has barely taken 3 wkts/match at an average of 36.xx and a strike rate of 80. That is arguably worse than Ishant's career performance. Also Aamir was trundling at 130 kph average pace in this test whereas Ishant even in his last test was averaging around 139 kph. Someone who is leading the pakistani pace attack should not be as bad as someone who can't even regularly play as part of the Indian pace attack.
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Since his comeback, Aamir has barely taken 3 wkts/match at an average of 36.xx and a strike rate of 80. That is arguably worse than Ishant's career performance. Also Aamir was trundling at 130 kph average pace in this test whereas Ishant even in his last test was averaging around 139 kph. Someone who is leading the pakistani pace attack should not be as bad as someone who can't even regularly play as part of the Indian pace attack.
Call me when Ishant Sharma makes tailenders of likes of Rohit Sharma... Dont be a sore loser ok
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Sore loser? We just whitewashed this SL team in their own backyard. And we are talking about tests. Didn't say anything about his LOI bowling. Aamir has done nothing in tests since his comeback and that's a fact.
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Ishant made tailender of Ricky Ponting.
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Well cricket isn’t just test cricket so...
Ishant dismissed clark and ponting 8 times each.
Only in his dreams can amir have that kind of performances
For a so called golden boy and best pacer of Pakistan u expect better figures than his record suggests.
Taking 3 wickets when defending 340 runs in n a final is some kind of miracle performance because his ceiling is so low for u guys s
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You wouldn’t have made a hero out of someone for doing same, I don’t think so
No way he will be a hero. Its u r batsman who set up the game for u by scoring above 300 which was never chased in any final till to date.
If he had done when bowling first then its a different matter
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His 3 wickets actually buried your team of ROCKSTARS. The impeccable finisher Dhoni choked..and the 6 sixes Yuvi couldn't do anything about an 18 year old kid who recently started playing international cricket.
To top it off...your best batsman had no clue against him and got out twice..
If Amir is overrated then Kohli is plain garbage for being so clueless against him.
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Ishant does not figure in India's ODI team nowadays so you can't compare them in that format. This comparison is relevant only in that format. Aamir simply is nowhere near as good as he is hyped to be. Not after the ban. Also he is slower than all of our main bowlers in average pace
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Ishant does not figure in India's ODI team nowadays so you can't compare them in that format. This comparison is relevant only in that format. Aamir simply is nowhere near as good as he is hyped to be. Not after the ban. Also he is slower than all of our main bowlers in average pace
Slow and steady wins race... Amir won race in one day and T20 tests soon
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Amir is 18yr old?Still?
Hes talking about shadab who fooled yuvi in the final
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This year:
Tests:
Sharma: 111 overs, Ave: 53, Eco: 2.86
Amir: 192 overs, Ave: 31, Eco: 2.08
ODIs:
Amir bowled an ATG spell in the last ODI that Pakistan played. Same match in which Pak. obliterated India and were crowned champions of the world.
Sharma can't even make the team that Pakistan destroyed.
T20s:
Amir proves himself one of the best bowlers in the NatWest T20
Blast.
Sharma did nothing of note.
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It's clear who is the better bowler and his name is Mohammad Amir.
Tests:
Sharma: 111 overs, Ave: 53, Eco: 2.86
Amir: 192 overs, Ave: 31, Eco: 2.08
ODIs:
Amir bowled an ATG spell in the last ODI that Pakistan played. Same match in which Pak. obliterated India and were crowned champions of the world.
Sharma can't even make the team that Pakistan destroyed.
T20s:
Amir proves himself one of the best bowlers in the NatWest T20
Blast.
Sharma did nothing of note.
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It's clear who is the better bowler and his name is Mohammad Amir.
If that was an ATG spell then your bar is too low. It was a very good spell but he had 340 runs to defend. Ishant also bowled a very good spell to defend mere 120 odd runs in 20 overs in previous champions-trophy final. So i would say they are even. Only area where Amir is good is in economy rate. If Ishant had the same economy as Amir he will be averaging(medicore average anyway) the same as Amir. Only reason Amir has such a good economy is thst is bowls too negatively and has better control over his line than Ishant. There is no big difference between them.
Yes the same amir is clueless against kohli in the previous matches they have played.
He did a runner against the same indian team in the league match of ct 2017
What happened to him in all the matches he played before the final against india when india smashed u like no tomorrow.
Performance in one match is exception
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Re-read. The Yuvraj and Dhoni dismissals are not related to Amir. 18 yr old kid = Shadab. Who got Yuvi out.
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Exactly. Just how Kohli only performed in the league game and did nothing else in the entire tournament...Amir is also allowed the same. Performance in one match is nothing to be happy about so not sure why you're gloating about the league game, specially when your team was pathetic in the final (the only game that mattered)
I'm not sure why you expect Amir to be taking 5fers in all his outing. I never claimed Amir to be the reincarnation of Wasim, in fact, I will say he is no where near his best right now. One thing you're failing to admit that it was Amir's spell that won the final for Pakistan and not the runs on the board.
Give credit where it's due. We know you guys have a very hard time accepting Pakistani players are good and the thumping loss in the final hurts. It's okay, we get it...but don't be bitter about it and say "It was not Amir who won the game..it was runs on the board"....that is not an accurate description of that game, my friend.
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He’s one of the most unlucky bowlers ever.
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Do you literally just read scorecards on cricinfo? I'll give you a tip - actually watch the match. He's been the best bowler today and bowled a quality spell in the last ODI as well, might not take wickets in bundles but has been consistent all year round in ODIs. There are simply no better bowlers in PAK right now and he is the most respected of all our bowlers for a reason. He is no Rabada, Hazlewood but he is the best we've got. If your going to go on a limb to criticise players like Babar, Amir then at least show the same standards for the rest of the 10 guys, who are even worse (barring Hasan and Shadab) than these 2 and aren't pulling their weight.
Comparing him with Ishant shows you haven't watch either Amir or Ishant bowl throughout their careers.
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Favorite excuse for Amir fans.
2nd favorite is "He just came back to international cricket, give him some time".
Having said that, he did well today.
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You can sing Amir's praises all day. What does he bring to the team you ask?
Bowls back of a length on off stump channel. Why not pitch it up a bit more you ask? What and risk getting hit for runs and upset his pristine economy?
No no, that won't do.
Much better to have nice looking deliveries going past the outside edge...
I'm sorry to say but this guy does not seem to have the hunger to pick up wickets. I genuinely feel like something is more likely to happen when malik is bowling...
Sad.
Bowls back of a length on off stump channel. Why not pitch it up a bit more you ask? What and risk getting hit for runs and upset his pristine economy?
No no, that won't do.
Much better to have nice looking deliveries going past the outside edge...
I'm sorry to say but this guy does not seem to have the hunger to pick up wickets. I genuinely feel like something is more likely to happen when malik is bowling...
Sad.
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I don’t even like him that much. Seems to lack intensity and isn’t working on correcting basic technical flaws he has.
But people here hate on him too much
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Yes he's been unlucky for 3 matches....
This is exactly the mindset fans had for Umar AKmal.
Forget he acts like a slogger, look at that cover drive..
Amir has a debilitating ability to get wickets, the only column that should matter for a bowler.
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He's not the same bowler he once was and he is overrated by his fans but you can't deny his contribution , especially in LOs for Pak. Hardly ever gets blasted away and sets the tone with the new ball. Maybe I'm scarred by Cheema, Gul, Anwar Ali, Bhatti but I seriously don't think this guy deserves the crap he gets. In tests, he needs to improve but he's a solid member of the LO teams and deserves his spot in the side. Funny thing is, he has a better record than all the NZL bowlers except almost Boult, who he has a better economy than.
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He's been the best PAK bowler in the last 2 ODIs, or do you just read scorecards and look at wicket columns?
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One thing I don't undertand why he hasn't improved is how wide he comes at the crease. Fair enough in tests he is worried about running onto the pitch but should've at least rectified this in ODIs. Surely Azhar has picked this up - would be interested to here his take on it
I am sorry to say, I would rather have some One bowler 10-0-50-3 than 10-0-45-0. The latter does not help a team in anyway.
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Some Pakpassioners would rather see Sadaf Hussain than Mohammad Amir 
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I'm afraid I disagree with this attitude of settling for average. The funny thing is I don't want Amir to be replaced, and though he's been testing me on this, I genuinely think he could be a star bowler.
I feel it's more his mindset that has to change. I really can't understand why he's content with just being a containing option. I don't care if he gets hit every now and again, goes for 6+. We need him to pick up wickets, especially up front. And he's good enough to do that.
So it makes for very frustrating viewing to see him bowl from wide of the crease, angling it across, letting batsman leave him or nudge him for singles. At the end of the day he gets neat figures, but sadly doesn't have much impact.
I feel it's more his mindset that has to change. I really can't understand why he's content with just being a containing option. I don't care if he gets hit every now and again, goes for 6+. We need him to pick up wickets, especially up front. And he's good enough to do that.
So it makes for very frustrating viewing to see him bowl from wide of the crease, angling it across, letting batsman leave him or nudge him for singles. At the end of the day he gets neat figures, but sadly doesn't have much impact.
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Typical excel spreadsheet mentality .
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Just saw this, in complete agreement. Kind of surprised this is something up for debate to be honest.
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One of the worst thread.Ishant sharma seriously? He is one of the worst bowler going around.Sure amir is not doing that good but he is still daylight better than that ishant sharma
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Hasan and Shadab are the bowlers that get wickets, but go fur runs.
Yes, Amir can be frustrating with his lines and lengths, but his role is to be immaculate and maintain the scoring rate. This is the same guy that gave 1 run off the 35th over! Amazing!
I know some terrible posters will bump terrible threads like these because they look at the scorecard and only the wicket column. Thing is, Shaddy ripped through NZ middle order and RR and Hasan cleaned up tail. Amir could've easily picked up 2-3 overs, but Saifi didn't bowl him because of that misfield...
Yes, Amir can be frustrating with his lines and lengths, but his role is to be immaculate and maintain the scoring rate. This is the same guy that gave 1 run off the 35th over! Amazing!
I know some terrible posters will bump terrible threads like these because they look at the scorecard and only the wicket column. Thing is, Shaddy ripped through NZ middle order and RR and Hasan cleaned up tail. Amir could've easily picked up 2-3 overs, but Saifi didn't bowl him because of that misfield...
Then why not Wahab?
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You've got to be realistic. He's played 30 tests and is already averaging 32.8, unless he makes a comeback like Jimmy there is no way he will be averaging in 20s.
That's not spreadsheet, that is match winning mentality. You don't win games by not picking wickets.
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Mohammad Amir vs Ishant Sharma in tests (since amir's comeback)
Pakistan's first choice pacer vs India's 4th choice pacer
Amir - average of 37.25 at the strike rate of 80.7
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval2=span;template=results;type=bowling
Ishant - average of 29.50 at the strike rate of 66.1
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling
Pakistan's first choice pacer vs India's 4th choice pacer
Amir - average of 37.25 at the strike rate of 80.7
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval2=span;template=results;type=bowling
Ishant - average of 29.50 at the strike rate of 66.1
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling
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[MENTION=146727]Rahul1[/MENTION] I hope you are still around in June. Then we can compare
You do realize that even with those stats, Amir can walk in to ANY team in the WORLD including yours.
Can't say the same about a past-his-shelf-life Ishant.
That's all? 1 test win is the highlight of his career.
You are comparing him to the youngest to get 50 test wickets in the history of the game. Ban or no ban. Facts can't be changed.
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Ishant has actually improved a lot in the past two years; however, his career will go down as a classic case of unfulfilled potential. The spell that he bowled to Ponting was definitely one of the best I've seen live. The Indian cricket grind destroyed him. He could have been an agressive Ambrose-lite bowler that hit the deck from uncomfortable heights, and instead ended up becoming a containing workhouse.
Amir is a different and more mystifying issue. He just refuses to hit the right length. He's absolutely deadly once he pitches it up, but instead bowls this neither-here neither-there midway line where the ball doesn't do anything. I don't know if he's been told not to do it, or if he doesn't have the skill-set to consistently swing it up, and therefore bowls more defensively.
Amir is a different and more mystifying issue. He just refuses to hit the right length. He's absolutely deadly once he pitches it up, but instead bowls this neither-here neither-there midway line where the ball doesn't do anything. I don't know if he's been told not to do it, or if he doesn't have the skill-set to consistently swing it up, and therefore bowls more defensively.
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