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Is Mohammad Amir the best bowler in the world?

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^ Title says it all. Interested to see who you guys think is currently the best bowler in the world.
 
babajee said:
Would you agree that ON HIS DAY Amir > Hazlewood

And yes, we will see consistency from Amir in upcoming years insha'Allah
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Yes.

The comparison is like that of Wasim and McGrath. People may pick Wasim due to his ability to produce something out of thin air, but at the end of the of the day McGrath did his job consistently. In the same way Amir may be able to produce 'that' spell, but Hazlewood nudges Amir when it comes to simply constantly performing.

I can see Amir outdoing Hazlewood in the LO formats, but when substituting in overall performance, across all formats Hazlewood will always be superior.
 
I'm not sure if Amir is even the best bowlers in Pakistan, let alone in the World. He needs to show CT final type performances more consistently to gain such status.
I would go with Mitchel Starc .
 
Ellipsism said:
Yes.

The comparison is like that of Wasim and McGrath. People may pick Wasim due to his ability to produce something out of thin air, but at the end of the of the day McGrath did his job consistently. In the same way Amir may be able to produce 'that' spell, but Hazlewood nudges Amir when it comes to simply constantly performing.

I can see Amir outdoing Hazlewood in the LO formats, but when substituting in overall performance, across all formats Hazlewood will always be superior.
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Comparison is nothing like that. No one would ask such questions about comparing McGrath and Wasim if Wasim was ranked 40. Yes, Rankings at any time may not be perfect, but when you are ranked 40 then it's an absurd question.

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Nopes.He is not.There is Starc Rabada Hazlewood even Mohammad Shami and if you count only tests then there is Anderson
 
waleed88 said:
Yes the guy who doesn't have one 5'fer in ODIs.. Hilarious :)))
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I would take his CT and Asia cup 2016 performances than 5'fers against minnows.And you have to consider the fact that he has to bowl with Pakistani fielders whose catching skills are average at best.
 
Dingolfy said:
I would take his CT and Asia cup 2016 performances than 5'fers against minnows.And you have to consider the fact that he has to bowl with Pakistani fielders whose catching skills are average at best.
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By 5'fer I mean stats on his side, the guy is a negative line and length bowler... James Faulkner picked up 3 wickets in the CWC 2015 final with a MOTM performance... that doesn't make him the best bowler in the world does it?
 
Oh jesus this hyperbole.

Anderson in tests (and that's only because Steyn isn't fit and hasn't played in a while), and Starc in ODIs. Sure Amir is talented, but why would you could flashes of potential as equal to his production?

In tests alone you'd have to consider Anderson, Steyn, Hazlewood, Broad, Philander and a few others (and that's if we're only counting pacers) Stop hyping up Amir until he actually produces results instead of just glimmers of talent. Since his return he's been poor against England, poor against the Windies at home, acceptable against NZ, awful against Australia and great against the Windies away. None of this says best bowler in the world, it says middle of the pack international bowler.

He's not the only bowler who has to deal with dropped catches. Broad had 10 catches dropped off his bowling alone in the West Indies series just completed.
 
Amir is not the best bowler. But, yes, he can in coming years, if he bowls attacking line and length. He should also increase his pace.

As of now(my opinion)

Starc
Hazelwood
Hassan Ali
Rabada
Amir
 
No..One inning doesn't mean overhyping starts beginning. Else Dhawan is the best in the world which isn't true.
 
babajee said:
^ Title says it all. Interested to see who you guys think is currently the best bowler in the world.
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Not only best in the world now, the best ever. Silly to even ask he question. He took three Indian top tier wickets in an ICC final. Never has to bowl well again ever.
 
On current form hes's been bowling better than the likes of Starc and Rabada didn't live up to expectations in the recent Eng series, so he's up there but we will have a better idea next 6 - 12 months.

I want to see him deliver with the Kookaburra ball which will be the tough examination since the ball doesn't much after first 5 - 10 overs.
 
In LOIs has already won Pak 2 x ICC events with big performances in both finals. You may think the likes of Hazelwood, Starc, Rabada, and Boult are better but let's admit in a big match or in a final you pick Amir to deliever the goods in a heartbeat.
 
In ODI's he is probably the best pacer along with Hassan Ali, in Tests he got a fair amount to do
 
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backfootpunch said:
In LOIs has already won Pak 2 x ICC events with big performances in both finals. You may think the likes of Hazelwood, Starc, Rabada, and Boult are better but let's admit in a big match or in a final you pick Amir to deliever the goods in a heartbeat.
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Even Gambhir has won India 2 ICC trophies with big performance in the finals, that didn't make him the best batsman in the world, even Samuels has won the windies 2 icc trophies, that didn't make him the best in the world...you get the point :kp
 
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Amir has a long way to go before reaching that title.
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Even Gambhir has won India 2 ICC trophies with big performance in the finals, that didn't make him the best batsman in the world, even Samuels has won the windies 2 icc trophies, that didn't make him the best in the world...you get the point :kp
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But are Gambhir and Samuels better batsman in their respective formats than Amir as a bowler? ...you get the point. :yk2
 
Hazlewood is undisputed #1, equally effective in both tests and ODIs.

Aamir is not even among the top 10 test fast bowlers currently. In ODIs, he is not in the top 5 yet.
 
Not even close. But as long as nobody flashes a wad of cash before his eyes, he is on the right path.
 
I'd be genuinely surprised if Amir makes the Top 5 bowlers currently using any bowling metric available right now. Heck he's not even the number 1 Pakistani bowler right, Hassan Ali is and this is coming from someone who is a big Amir fan.
 
If we're talking about the best "unluckiest" bowler in the world, perhaps. :23:
 
No.

But what a performance in CT 2017 finals.

To take out our big 3 on that patta is no mean feat.

Amazing stuff.
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
There are many fast bowlers better than amir right now
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Ah nice try to avoid my question because you have no argument to counter my statement...

And no there aren't many bowlers better than Amir and can deliver match winning final performances like he did in the 2 ICC tournaments and that's fact.

So to end this from taking words of your own:

You get the point :smith
 
No. He needs to be more consistent. Probably not even the best wicket-taking bowler in our team as Hasan Ali is ahead of him.
 
backfootpunch said:
Ah nice try to avoid my question because you have no argument to counter my statement...

And no there aren't many bowlers better than Amir and can deliver match winning final performances like he did in the 2 ICC tournaments and that's fact.

So to end this from taking words of your own:

You get the point :smith
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Avoid which question? Gambhir is a better batsman than amir as a bowler, I thought it was obvious when I said there are many better bowlers than amir right now, but you didn;t get the point it seems :kp
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Avoid which question? Gambhir is a better batsman than amir as a bowler, I thought it was obvious when I said there are many better bowlers than amir right now, but you didn;t get the point it seems :kp
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Sums up your horrendous cricket knowledge right there.

Gambhir has been found out against world class/legendary/ATG pace bowlers but with Amir he's managed to defeat the same calibre of players in the batting department even when the stakes are high as evident in the CT final, CT game vs India in 2009 when he removed Tendulkar, World T20 2009 final when he dismissed Dilshan who was at the top of his game.

I strongly advise for your sake not to make a fool of yourself again but if you want to entertain us, you are more than welcome to expose yourself again.
 
Hasan Ali is better than him. Worlds best currently are Starc, Hazlewood and Rabada for tests. Hasan and Starc are the best in ODIs. I'm sure Hassan will join the test list as well, just needs a year or so to prove himself.
 
backfootpunch said:
Sums up your horrendous cricket knowledge right there.

Gambhir has been found out against world class/legendary/ATG pace bowlers but with Amir he's managed to defeat the same calibre of players in the batting department even when the stakes are high as evident in the CT final, CT game vs India in 2009 when he removed Tendulkar, World T20 2009 final when he dismissed Dilshan who was at the top of his game.

I strongly advise for your sake not to make a fool of yourself again but if you want to entertain us, you are more than welcome to expose yourself again.
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wowee!:irfan

That's a shutdown if I ever saw one lol
 
Steyn's the best bowler in the world and has been for 10 years now. The rest are all just pretenders for the crown.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
No.

But what a performance in CT 2017 finals.

To take out our big 3 on that patta is no mean feat.

Amazing stuff.
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You are talking about an individual spell in a match - to become the best, you have to perform CONSISTENTLY over an extended period of time.
 
backfootpunch said:
But are Gambhir and Samuels better batsman in their respective formats than Amir as a bowler? ...you get the point. :yk2
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Gambhir was actually a good tests batsman for some time. If I recall it right then he was even ranked 1 in the test format sometime.

You can't compare batsmen with bowlers. It's hard to do, but often batsmen like Gambhir are remembered for their last few declining years of their career despite doing well earlier.
 
Buffet said:
Gambhir was actually a good tests batsman for some time. If I recall it right then he was even ranked 1 in the test format sometime.

You can't compare batsmen with bowlers. It's hard to do, but often batsmen like Gambhir are remembered for their last few declining years of their career despite doing well earlier.
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Only on PP.

Generally, in India he is remembered as the vital cog in the Indian team that reached number 1. If anything, he was a massive reason for India reaching number 1, as his partnership with Sehwag generally laid a foundation for Dravid, Sachin and Laxman to pile on the runs later. On top of that, he was ranked no. 1 in tests during that period and played some significant innings in test cricket.

In LOIs, he was responsible for India winning the WC and T20 in 2007.

In PP, he is much maligned due to his strong stance against Pakistan and Afridi. But as a cricketer, he has achieved quite a lot which can't be taken away from him.
 
While he has not been able to take many wickets in Test matches, the fact remains that he won the CT for Pakistan.

So at this point in time I would rate him at the best bowler in the world. Whether he remains the best bowler depends upon his future performance.
 
backfootpunch said:
Sums up your horrendous cricket knowledge right there.

Gambhir has been found out against world class/legendary/ATG pace bowlers but with Amir he's managed to defeat the same calibre of players in the batting department even when the stakes are high as evident in the CT final, CT game vs India in 2009 when he removed Tendulkar, World T20 2009 final when he dismissed Dilshan who was at the top of his game.

I strongly advise for your sake not to make a fool of yourself again but if you want to entertain us, you are more than welcome to expose yourself again.
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This is the most logic less post i have ever seen. How is gambhir in any way less than amir. Like him he has won 2 icc tournaments for his country.

He was number 1 test batsman and icc player of the year. What has amir done in his career that is note worthy other than fixing and one fluke test series performance.

He has long way to go to even reach gambhir level
 
This guy is ranked 40 in rest cricket and 23 in odi cricket, yet he's best in the world :yk
 
backfootpunch said:
Sums up your horrendous cricket knowledge right there.

Gambhir has been found out against world class/legendary/ATG pace bowlers but with Amir he's managed to defeat the same calibre of players in the batting department even when the stakes are high as evident in the CT final, CT game vs India in 2009 when he removed Tendulkar, World T20 2009 final when he dismissed Dilshan who was at the top of his game.

I strongly advise for your sake not to make a fool of yourself again but if you want to entertain us, you are more than welcome to expose yourself again.
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Let's see your wonderful cricketing knowledge then, amir is ranked 40th in test cricket and 23 in odi cricket, yet he's the best bowler in the world according to you :yk at least gambhir was ranked no. 1 in the world during his prime. I advise you to take your own advise and not make a fool out of yourself, although I think it is already too late for that :uakmal
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Let's see your wonderful cricketing knowledge then, amir is ranked 40th in test cricket and 23 in odi cricket, yet he's the best bowler in the world according to you :yk at least gambhir was ranked no. 1 in the world during his prime. I advise you to take your own advise and not make a fool out of yourself, although I think it is already too late for that :uakmal
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Amir cannot be measured by any statistic because he is beyond statistics. Statistics do not do justice to his talent.

He had even let other mortal bowlers like steyn, Anderson to shine by his big heart (i mean fixing).
 
New Yorker said:
If he's ranked 22nd in ODIs, 40th in Tests, you've got to squeeze in a few more 'along withs'
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The morons should be able to see that The Messiah is ranked no.1 in ODI's as a batsman, said Messiah was mauled not once but twice in a final along with what is deemed the best LOI top order. Such performances hold a lot of weight compared to bilaterals and he has been decent in ODI's, in that format deserves to be in the conversation
 
Now rankings won't tell us that Amir shows up in high profile games and that Kohli chokes, context is everything for smart people
 
I like Mohammad Amir but I wouldn't say he is the best bowler in the world. People's views have obviously been shifted (rightly so) by his amazing spell against India in the CT final. Before that, he was really struggling for consistency. I saw him last year in the first test vs England at Lords as I went to the ground on Day 4 and he didn't look penetrative at all; his stats since his comeback aren't amazing and he has been inconsistent. However, he definitely did improve in the CT; he may not have taken many wickets until the final but stats aren't everything, he was bowling like a proper fast bowler should. He has also been amazing at Essex so I do feel he is getting closer to his best but I definitely wouldn't say that, as of now, he is the best bowler in the world.
 
backfootpunch said:
On current form hes's been bowling better than the likes of Starc and Rabada didn't live up to expectations in the recent Eng series, so he's up there but we will have a better idea next 6 - 12 months.

I want to see him deliver with the Kookaburra ball which will be the tough examination since the ball doesn't much after first 5 - 10 overs.
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Starc's injured and hasn't played for about six months so I should hope Amir is bowling better than him.
 
Kohli is no.1 in the world, it seems Indians secretly admit he is rubbish when a no.22 ranked bowler owned him twice in a final :yk2 by their own logic :broad
 
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Without a shadow of a doubt. Haters can keep burning. They say "oh but Starc is better"... LMAO biggest joke ever. The same Starc who hardly plays due to injury and when he does he performs worse than even his teammates.


:salute :salute :salute
 
in ODIs he is up there. In Tests he hasnt delivered top level performances since his comeback. But has potential to become the best in all formats.
 
Tbh while Hasan has done better, Amir should be a better bowler than Hasan, more skills, quicker, more control, more complete bowler. Hasan's done better I think because he's generally bowled smarter and more at the stumps, while Amir's got his strategy wrong at times, or bowls at areas/at a line and length that does cut down on runs/triggers the defensive shot but doesn't get wickets.

In LOI in terms of talent think Amir and Starc are in a league of their own. Bowling average of 27 is quite underwhelming for Amir's calibre and think Amir's bowled better than that 27 suggests especially seeing his economy is on the rather low side at 4.8. When he got banned, believe his average was something like 24 and he was still improving. And I'm no big fan of Amir either, if it were up to me he would not be playing international cricket.

Hasan while does really well, always fills me with the bad feeling that he'll get tonked when things don't go his way. Has to vary it up a lot more than Amir to avoid that, which credit to him he does. Always felt to despite LOI success and I believe Hasan will continue to have success, the way Hasan bowls he'd be even better at test cricket.
 
Oh man, some fans here are embaressing....

Sorry but I doubt Amir would make, the England (Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Stokes), Aussie(Starc, Hazzlewood, Cummings) NZ (Bolt, Sothee, Henry, Wagner) or SA (Steyn, Rabada, Morkal) Test teams.

Of those players who would he replace? I could only see him making some teams as a 4th seamer in green conditions.

I think is the best Asian bowler atm along with Shami.
 
babajee said:
You're joking... what has Bumrah done to be recognised above amir
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And what has amir done. All he has is one great performance in a match where he had 340 runs to defend.
If that is what matters then players like faulkner irfan pathan rp singh are great too since they have delivered in finals.
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Bumrah averages 20 in odi cricket and he is ranked 4 while amir is what 40? or 23? I rest my case :srini
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:salute
 
Buffet said:
Gambhir was actually a good tests batsman for some time. If I recall it right then he was even ranked 1 in the test format sometime.

You can't compare batsmen with bowlers. It's hard to do, but often batsmen like Gambhir are remembered for their last few declining years of their career despite doing well earlier.
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Averaged 22 in Australia and 12 in England that's tail ender esque stats...
 
Convict said:
Starc's injured and hasn't played for about six months so I should hope Amir is bowling better than him.
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He has been affected with injuries which is unfortunate because he's at his very peak but in ODIs I feel Amir can match him or even exceed him. The CT final bowling display was even better than Starc's semi final against the same opposition.

In tests no doubt Starc the superior of the 2 by a long way.
 
sachin100 said:
This is the most logic less post i have ever seen. How is gambhir in any way less than amir. Like him he has won 2 icc tournaments for his country.

He was number 1 test batsman and icc player of the year. What has amir done in his career that is note worthy other than fixing and one fluke test series performance.

He has long way to go to even reach gambhir level
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Going below the waist with the "fixing" comment to me just shows you're still hurting from the CT defeat. Amir owned India that day so how can you have the nerve on a Pakistan cricket forum to say what has Amir done in his career?

In addition Gambhir averages 12 in Eng and 22 in Aus - in simple words tail end esque stats. He got shown up by quality bowlers who belong in the world class/legendary/ATG pacers.

Conversely Amir has come trumps many times against the same calibre of players in the batting department.

LOL my post is logic less? You seemed to have mastered the art but I don't need training lessons from you :shhh
 
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